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 Posted: 1 Dec 2016 06:48 am
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The Mysterious Moose Mountain managers hadn't mentioned Moguls ...
... until now that is !

A couple of weeks ago, I caught a severe case of MOGUL MADNESS !

I had thought before this, that the only rusty rods rattling round this railroad, would be my stalwart lil' 0-4-2 Porters.

Then ! ... Without warning ! ... The MOGUL MADNESS fever !!

I simply just HAD to have one.
&
A few days ago Mysterious Moose Mountains new Mogul, steamed into my mailbox !

My new Mogul is the ever popular Bachmann On30 loco.
You U.S. boys seem to have them coming out of the woodwork over there !
In ol' Blightey, the On30 Mogul is a slightly rarer beast, so I found out.

I love her as she is.
But my railroad is a rinkey-dink lil' two-bit short-ass operation ...
... so I have decided that some Mogul miniaturizing, is the order of the day !

I thought I would start a Thread for ALL and ANY info & ideas, on 1:1 Moguls & related models.
Kits, bashes, R.T.R and inspiring proto photos.

So, if your Mogul becomes an 0-6-0 fine.
Or perhaps a 2-4-0
Or even a 2-6-2
A 4-4-0 'American' ?
A 'proper' 2-6-0 is great as well.
Inspiration & ideas, for how to make the most of a Mogul, are all MOST welcome.

Me ?
I'm thinking along the lines of a 2-6-0 or 0-6-0 Mogul bash ...
... shortened as much as possible...
... with either a small 'Glover' style tender or saddle-tank & rear fuel bunker.

We'll see.
Ideas may change.
No rush for the razor saw just yet !

So go on !
Post some photos of your Mogul, kit build, bash or your favorite 1:1 prototype.

MOGUL HEAVEN !

:moose:

Si.

My trusty lil' 1:35 scale guy & 'two yard stick', sizes up the new On30 Mogul ...
... for a bit of 'upscaling' to 1:35n2




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 Posted: 1 Dec 2016 07:22 am
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Si, check out the old Colorado Central 0-6-0's with 2 & 3 axle tenders and big old stacks! It is late here in Tejas for me to look on de net for a photo but you know how to search. These were 3 footers but would look great as 2 footers. Check them out & let me know what you think. Also, the Mann's Creek Narrow Gauge used 0-6-0's with tenders sitting on a single axle and a 2 axle truck! Very cool lokies.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Thanks for the pointers !

Although I said 'saddle tank & rear fuel bunker'...
... I actually think that an 0-6-0 with 2-axle tender, could be the way to go.

The saddle tank is kinda OK.
But although shorter perhaps, does tend to look a bit chunky.

HOLY COW !
I haven't seen a 1-axle tender before !
Except perhaps on the 'Birdwater & Raspberry' !! ;)
Sounds T O O C O O L !

:bg:

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In terms of a 'genuine' 2-6-0 Mogul with saddle tank ...
... this funky ol' junk, could take some beating !

If you're gonna have BIG headlamps ! ... Get a BIG hat !! :cb:

;)

Si.

No idea where or when.
Nice though.
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0-6-0T built in 1927 by ALCO.

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Porter Type-C

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Si,

I feel your "Mogul Madness". I currently have five of the Bachmann On30 2-6-0s sitting on my shelf, a sixth is in the mail as I type, and I am currently high bidder on a seventh.

They are just so cool. Looking forward to see what you do with yours!

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Si, the tender I wrote about had a single axle wheelset in journals and a 2 axle truck under the tender. Get it? Of course, if you want a single axle under the tender, it's YOUR locomotive!

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East Broad Top's Moguls 1 and 2 both had the same single axle front/archbar rear truck. Built in 1873.

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I have seen a lot of 3 axle tenders with all three axles in journals, but I can't find a 1/2 axle configuration.

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Hi all
The single fixed axle/rear bogie was a way of getting a bigger longer tender with the flexibility to handle curves that a fixed tri-axle wheelbase couldn't.

Then distances got greater and steam locos got bigger, thirstier and hungrier, which meant more fuel and water was needed to get from "here" to "there" and bigger tenders again which led to the double bogie tender.

Of course, if you want a different look to your mogul, try one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_Y_class with a fixed tri-axle tender
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverton_Tramway_Y_class or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_Government_Railways_C_class They bred like rabbits :bg:

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And yes, they breed like rabbits. We have two more on the way.

Si,

You see all those Hawthorne Village coaches behind the locos?

Exceedingly cheap source of On30 archbar trucks. ;)

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Hi Rick :wave:

I imagine you walking down the street ...
... with 2-6-0s falling out of your pockets !! ;)

I could easily use a 2nd one, in the M.M.M 'chop shop'.
They really aint that easy/cheap to get over here though. :f:

I did manage to score 2-pairs of Bachmann arch-bars, & a pair of passenger trucks recently.
Sort of OK price ... Mmm ...
They make for some 'truck variety', which I like.

The swingin' '60s Tri-ang Railways(TM) diecast ones, are working out real well for 1:35n2 here.
Toms 3D-printed Gilpin Tram trucks are nice for my actual 'prototype' efforts as well.

- - - - - - -

Dear Santa.
Please drop lots of Happy Hawthorne bash-fodder down my chimney.
Have left carrots for the reindeer !

:moose:

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Si, the stock Bachmann On30 "arch bar" trucks (under almost all their freight cars) in fact scale out to have a 3' wheelbase and look pretty much like the trucks under Silver City cars-in 1:35 scale. I ain't kidding!

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Si,

Maybe we can work out some sort of international free-train-trade agreement. I like the look of some of that Tri-Ang stuff...

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W C Greene wrote:
Si, the stock Bachmann On30 "arch bar" trucks (under almost all their freight cars) in fact scale out to have a 3' wheelbase and look pretty much like the trucks under Silver City cars-in 1:35 scale. I ain't kidding!

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Woodie,

The Hawthorne Village trucks scale out at 4'6" on the coaches I have.

It's exactly 1 1/8" between axle centers - my camera was angled. Whichwould be 3' in 1:35.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Well, you know what ...
... I am trying to use all the different trucks I have, for what seems most appropriate.

So.
Maybe, as a tribute to the Silver City railroad ...
... I should start a build of an 'actual' Silver City car !

Not sure what exactly.
But I figure the Mysterious Moose Mountain 2ft ...
... might just be able to use a 'mysterious boxcar' !

I think either the Bachmann or Tri-ang (very similar) passenger car trucks ...
... could well come in handy, for a nice 'shorty' Mogul tender.
Perhaps along the lines of Glovers tenders ? ?

Maybe even a Porter tender, American Land & Lumber styleee.

Things are coming together, as I see more of the 'relative' sizes of my locos & cars.
Small - Porter.
Medium - Shay.
Large - Mogul.
Quite nice for potentially different duties.

:moose:

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There you go!

Two-Shay...
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You can't really see it but this old Colorado Central Porter-Bell 0-6-0 had a 3 axle tender truck. See what I wrote about a large stack?  Very cool old lokie.

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