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 Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2016 07:07 am
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Larry G
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Well, I've gone and done it, made the decision to build the incline plane from a web of steel (plastic) beams, girders and cross bracing. The original incline has been reconfigured to a series of steps. Vertical beams will rise from each step to support the incline framework above.

This will take much longer to build. I will have to scratch build miles of girders and beams to build such a large structure.

My motto: THINK, there must be a harder way to do this.

Glutton for punishment, Larry Gant:Crazy:




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 Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2016 07:21 am
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Hi Larry.

The chic on the Vespa is wearing a blouse.
What happened ? ... The weather turn cold there ?

Wos she up to ? ... Scouting locations for Evil Kenevil ?

:moose:

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 Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2016 07:56 am
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Si, have patience, all my naked ladies have been assembled and painted. Their debut will be slow and deliberate. One here, one there. ;)  Anticipation, my friend, is the name of the game. :)

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 Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2016 06:18 pm
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This shot will give a vague idea of how the incline will line up with the steps.
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Side view... Larry


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View from the top... Larry


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Top of the incline. White block to the left is where the control shed will stand. A steel structure will extend out from the end of track to the incline.
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QUESTIONS...  I have no clue of how the operating sequence at a incline plane would be handled. Loaded cars down, empties up, in what sequence. ??? Are two tracks enough or have I boxed myself into a corner. ??? Would the track arrangement be the same top and bottom? ???
I'm trying to visualize how all this will work without empty incline cars going up and down.

I tend to get way ahead of myself sometimes. :dope:

I know, fine time to think about this stuff.

Larry :bang:

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Hi Lee,
the answers are - it depends on the type of incline you build.
Previously you said you wished to use the Vivian incline in Wales as inspiration. This is a balanced incline where the weight of the loaded wagon going downhill brings the empty back up on the other track and the incline cars are linked to each end of a common table. This could probably called a self-acting incline, where the incline will operated without the input of any power from a motor. This would probably be tough to regulate in model form.

You could build a powered version where the speed and direction of an electric motor attached to the rope drum at the top of the hill could be used to control the movement of the incline wagons on each track.

A powered single track incline is the easiest one to build.

In terms of traffic - for a captive system with no ability to feed in cars from the 'rest of the world" at both ends, then for every loaded wagon going one way, you need empty wagon going the other way or you will run out of wagons to haul stuff away.

If you are running a single track incline then every trip of the incline car should ideally be taking a loaded car when heading in one direction and bringing an empty car back the other way.

OK let's take this a step further, assuming you have loads coming from a quarry at the top of the hill, the loaded stone wagons will be loaded going downhill and coming back uphill empty. However the gunpowder needed for blasting by the quarry will be going uphill in loaded gunpowder vans and the empty gunpowder vans will be being returned downhill so they can be reloaded at the gunpowder factory and returned to the quarry with more gunpowder.

Now as far as track arrangements are concerned, this is dependent on how you organise your incline car.
The simplest incline car has one central track on it and only holds one car at a time.
The Vivian Incline cars hold 2 wagons side by side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGrum5Qsnc
This complicates the track arrangement at each end with traversers as shown in the video being used to feed the incline cars. This option will require a wider hole for the traverser car at the bottom end

Another version would be a tandem car where a longer traverser car holds 2 wagons one behind the other, but this will require a longer narrow hole at the bottom end for the traverser car to sink into.

I'll work up some possible track plans on each option for you later today. I have to be elsewhere soon,



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John,
I do appreciate your help. :moose:

I have been building with the Vivian incline in mind, two tracks.

I made the decision to build my incline with steel beams and girders to more closely emulate what the Homestake Gold Mine, here in Lead, SD, might have done.

Maybe a single operating track on the incline with the other being repaired, forever. Up top, the second track could be used to hold empty cars as they come up the incline. The same could be done at the bottom for loaded cars. This would slow the process but it would also make my two track system work smoothly. No rebuilding needed.

Does this sound like something the operators of a full size incline would do, or could do? ???

Larry

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