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' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II

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http://freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&jump_to=85679#p85679

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"  We don't share too many sympathys with our Government  "

William Holden  -  ' The Wild Bunch '  -  1969  :mex:




Grandaddy sat in his ol' rocker, out on the front porch; Tellin' stories of steam, steel & silver.
As the sun went down, So did the Tequila.

The railroad had gotten started way before the automobile.
The steam donkeys, gradually replaced by gasoline tractors.

When the stock market crash happened; the boom years of the railroad were pretty much over anyways.
After that, they ran one or two mixed trains daily; and specials of course.

I recall Grandaddy speakin' of a strange lopsided locomotive, with cylinders on one side only.
Didn't go that quick, he said; but pulled anything up hellish grades, no problem.

In the railroads later years, he told me a gas critter & railbus did part of the work.
But that lopsided locy & a rusty ol' Porter still did the hard work, and switched the yard.

The railroad is long gone now of course & Grandaddy too.
If I could remember all his words; perhaps I could make a model of those times.

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OK Si, whar's the 35n2 layout???!!! Nice tale however. Or is this like another movie line..."Nice party McClintock but no whiskey!"-old chief

And now, this...
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Howdy Woodie :cb:



First of all I would like to thank EVERYONE at Freerails, for bucket loads of inspiration !
Seeing the huge diversity of interests here is quite simply AWESOME. :P

Since being a member, my railroading horizons have expanded tenfold.
A far cry from the first steps into U.S narrow gauge I made 20 or more years ago.

Back then a few pages a month from imported U.S mags, and the odd book or two, was it.
A Red-Cross 'food parcel' of parts from Stateside just about kept things rolling.

All the little bits & pieces modellers consume, were near impossible to get, for a U.S liking U.K guy.
This is still the case today; & sourcing parts without huge P&P bills, is difficult.

Thanks to 'Coronado' of Arizona & Russ Simpson in particular, for help with this.
Also thanks to the members of the two U.S railroading clubs I went to in the U.K.

Cheers all of you ! :bg:



Inspired by all of this...
...& Herbs recent words :-
" We're not running a prison camp " :old dude:

I decided to start a thread for my 1:35 'lint' !


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I'm pleased you like the story Woodie.
Always curious to know how people got to where they are; I thought I'd start of with a bit of my story.
Where I've come from, where I wanna go; that kinda thing.
Some more of that to come as well !


" OK Si, whar's the 35n2 layout???!!! "

Gimme a chance Chief, I'm only on Post #1; We're not running a prison camp !

All the best.

Cheers.

Si. :java::mex:



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Okey Dokey Si...I just like to yank chains no matter whose they are! Ask Herbicide....

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Si , Woodrowe fellers..

The story is about as fun as the modelling..more so..?..when i am flat about producing..I am getting better at enjoying the books..the internet,,..speaking of which..back some time ago..years..,..I must admit to..cannot deny...w/o the actual age shewing..

I wanted to know about some mysterious wee trens in wales..virtually nothing available here as far as informations..it wasn't till about 1989 that I was able to get the JIC Boyd series on the rlys of wales.volumnes 1- 5 ..?..and even then I had trouble concentrationg on the written word..liking "pitchers"

The photographs were not so big..and not so clear....the fotos were good quality..but it was that I had no idear of context..where and whot this stuff was..relating to things..probably reading in detail would have helped..

Hard when a brother is driven to produce more and more in the work place with no rise in pay ..work harder..be expected to work harder for the same rate..a bit of philosophy thrown in , complaint..maybe...

A great set of books along this vein is the series of little fictional..{ some historical} by the "Frog" ..Brian Clarke...one is " Slates to Churchwater" I suspect these books are available..probably on line now..they of course only whet the appetite..I wish he would have done more..more / work harder for him..no rise in pay..I suspect...

Of course..we can make our own stories ..our own lokeys and wagons..lay our own tracks..in our own worlds..we have a forum to send in and share..or see the sharing of others..

So then..great stuff...

And there is rumoured to be a 18" gauge , four wheel passenjare carriage under way in Beatty , Nevada ,...parts are gathered..shop is available..weather a bit soft today..but it is starting..and progress will be shared..

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" I just like to yank chains no matter whose they are! "  :cb:

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When they told me it was gonna be a 20 on Alcatraz...

...or Life without parole at Freerails...

...I thought I'd made the right move.


I hadn't bargained on...



...Warden C. Greene however !  :cb:


If anyone can speed up the Moose Mountain glacier...  :slow: :slow: :slow:

...it's Warden Greene fer sure !

You never know, I might even get rehabilitated.  L:



Prisoner THX1138 :f:



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Hi Charley.

Yeah ... The Welsh weren't too bad at railroading !


Thanks for your thoughts, I need 'em...

...I sold my Readers Digest 'philosophy anthology' on eBay...

...shortly after your Excelsior thread got started !


The chains are from my friend Rob's 'roadside museum'...

...they might be for sale, if you're interested...

...I could see if he'd take 20-bucks; the shipping is $5000


Adious (fer now)

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Hello Si,

I like the story so far. Tell us more about the Tequila consumption.

Good film "The Wild Bunch", based on my life story - or so it feels at times.

This ain't going to be no slot operated 35n2  RR ?? , that would be too weird.

Hello Charley,

For a little taste of Wales, check out the Proto Photos, page 2, "New NG....North Wales".

Regards,        Michael

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Salada , Si , fellers..

The whole issue has been solved for-ever...the internet has brought us all so close..too close in some cases..

The whole idear of writing letters..to get one back months later..was kinda fun..and every body seemed to behave themselves..Political opinions..and the personal behaviours are now "required " reading apparently..

I do think this is great..just has some drawrbacks..is all..

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" I like the story so far. Tell us more about the Tequila consumption "

Hi Michael.

I'm sorry, I don't remember anything about it...
...I think it was the worm that did it !

It might come back to me later...
...maybe.

:Crazy:

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A while back I started drawing a few trackplans & diorama ideas, which was a good exercise...
...but ran into problems, not knowing the 'footprint' of proposed structures.

Looking back at them now, most of the trackplans were trash anyhow...
...but looking at them again, at least I see the pitfalls; and further ideas have emerged from that.

:bang:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
...our construction boys have been hoarding rail, lumber, ballast &...
...BRICKS !



In their investigations into building materials, they came across the Tamiya 'brick wall set'...
...pretty COOL !

You get 3 sorts of wall-section...
...straight, diagonal & end-pieces.

They go together something like this.



A few Shillings & a couple of days later...
...Dave the postman turned up, with the foundations for a 1:35 building in his bag.

Cheers Dave ! :bg:

Si. :java::mex:

With all that fermented worm infested cactus-juice around these parts...
...a brickie needs a STRONG cup of coffee in the morning, to 'keep his eye in' !



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Si...that looks a damn lot easier than the bag of Verlinden 1:35 bricks that I used...had to become a bricklayer to do a foundation. Thanks for reminding me about this...I will add some to my "musthave" list.

Woodie

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" that looks a damn lot easier than the bag of Verlinden 1:35 bricks that I used "  :bang:

Hi Woodie  :cb:

Whilst I don't think that making an entire building from these is in any way practical...
...for the 'brick foundation & wooden top' structure I want; they are ideal.

I played around with the sections quite a bit last night...
...and with only 3 different mouldings, it's amazing how many different combinations can be made.
( all WITHOUT any cutting involved )

The fact that they look like bricks from both sides is exellent...
...as the interior of the planned structure, will be clearly visible.

I thought I might need 2-packs to have enough sections for the job...
...but in the end 1-pack is enough, with only 2 of the short end sections left over.

Pictures to follow.

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I also came across another similar military kit...
...ITALERI #405 - 1:35 'brick walls'.



They go together something like this.



I'm not sure if they are 'compatible' with Tamiya bricks...
...but am thinking about adding this to my 'might have' list !

Could have uses other than 'bombed out'...
...small collapsed structure, under-construction, abandoned foundation etc.

Way less wall here than the Tamiya kit...
...goes for more 'lolly' as well !

What could I make with it ?...
...I think I might have to get one !

AAARRRGGGHHH !!! ... Another kit !

Cheers.

Si. :pop:

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Boris & bricks !

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Hi Charley.

You are right, the web is a wonderful world !

Without it, I would NEVER have found, even these simple brick wall kits...
...unless I had a stack of catalogues like phone-books & went to every military-modelling show under the sun.

This 'simple' thing, makes my life less 'complicated'.

And of course I get to meet 'goodfellas' like yourself !

I have even met a cigar smoking Pennsylvanian dog on the Web.
...yeah realy, no kidding !

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Yep ! ... the brick walls are for an enginehouse.

Why do we want one of those ?

Because ENGINEHOUSES ARE COOL !  :glad:



Here's one of our first attempts with the Tamiya bricks.

Wolfgang is having a day off from the Russian-front; & has found a Canadian motor to tinker with.

Boris is trying to work out why that IDIOT bricklayer has put an odd angle at the end of the wall !



The bricklayer, back from a liquid-lunch; throws up a few more ft. of clay.

Boris is thinking, where did they get that IDIOT; that quirky join top-right, is undergrad. stuff !

Wolfgang says " You just can't get Ford V8 parts in Berlin."

( it gets better ... NOT the story ... THE WALLS YOU IDIOT ! )

Yours cemently.

Si. :P




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:doh: " Not big enough for Mysterious Moose Mountain Shay #1...

...We need an extension ! " says Boris.

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Si  -- You could always saw a section out of the boiler of #1, to make it fit.

In fact, if you are REAL good, you might be able to do it without letting any steam out-----

Gromit

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Si. wrote:

( it gets better ... NOT the story ... THE WALLS YOU IDIOT ! )


So maybe there is also some hope of an improvement in the story line ?

In the UK that little wall extension would be the "Enginemen's Lobby" - with notices of PW slacks (speed reductions), ROW works etc.
Maybe a p....p..... - urinal if lucky. Not sure about U.S. practice.

No bullet gouges in the bricks yet ?

Cheers,           Michael









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Hi Herb.

I can't take the risk of a leak...
...steam is up to FULL PRESSURE ! here at Moose Mountain.

Boris & the brickies have allowed extra space for Shay #1...
...should be OK, as long as the engineer SLAMS THE BRAKE FULL ON right after clearing the enginehouse doors !

I do have to saw a section out of #1s roof though.
Joseph, the engineer, keeps crunching his cranium in the 1:48 cab !

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" No bullet gouges in the bricks yet ? "

Hi Michael.

Grandaddy told me there was a shootout with the Feds. back in the prohibition-era.
They discovered a still set up behind the enginehouse...
...and that meant FIREWORKS !

I'm thinking I need to research 'strafeing' & .45 holes, to get the detail right.
Some Sam Peckinpah movie DVDs will help with this.

Sams 'strafeing' Top-3

1. The Wild Bunch
2. Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia
3. Cross Of Iron

I don't recall much 'strafeing' in Pat Garret & Billy The Kid...
...but it's worth a mention for authentic Winchester holes !

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Anyhow...
...having played around with the placky bricks for a couple of days; I figure I've got a foundation 'footprint' that'll work for me.

(pix. to follow)

Si.

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Mysterious Moose Mountain enginehouse starts to take shape.



Joseph takes a rest, after a 'cab concussion' from #1s low roof !



Wolfgang checks out the new V8 critter repair-shop extension.



" That'll do nicely " says Wolfgang, " CRANK UP THE CEEEEEEEEEMENT MIXER ! "

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Moose Mountain Latest !

Shay No 1 brakes fail on locoshed road :






-- must have been that Moonshine plant back of the locoshed.

Regards,            Michael

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Must be the ''Express'' model Shay from the look of those wheels-------

Herb

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Now THAT'S what I call a train wreck !  :Crazy:

With all the recent 'crash action' here at Freerails...
...I had thought about a Moose Mountain wreck, believe it or not !
Italeri 'bombed out' 1:35 bricks could be ideal.

I see, some enginehouses have doors on both ends.
Did wonder if that might be to save bustin' through the 'expensive' walls...
...rather than a 'cheap' pair of doors ?
Could just be for better ventilation or whatnot though.

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I was kiddin' myself on being able to make the entire foundation with 1 Tamiya set.  :dope:
In my scheme, there were only 2 of the tiny end-pieces left unused.



Of course no one would build even a small building like this, with only 1 layer of bricks.
Thought I could hide that with the doors & frame etc.
But when you 'double up' the Tamiya walls to 2 layers, they start looking like 'proper' walls (shame about no bond-pattern; but we have a story for that !).

A 2nd Tamiya brick wall set was ordered by the Mysterious Moose Mountain management...
...after Boris 'ratted out' the brickie (who was FIRED !) as incompetent !  :f:

They managed to score it on evilBay for £5.41p...
...Dave, the postman, will no doubt be dropping by in a few days.

Si. :moose:

P.S.  Michael, or any other U.K. dudes...
...I've been looking for suppliers of O-scale windows...
...enginehouse / industrial-building type.

Haven't had much luck !  :us:

Did see some nice looking die-cut ones...
...but nothing in styrene.

Anyone got a manufacturers name to suggest ?  L:



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Hello Si,

Port Wynnstay (on t'Internet) used to do some decent industrial 'O' gauge windows but I think the name has since changed ownership. I haven't seen any of their recent production.

You can occasionally pick up U.S. GrandtLine stuff at Exhibitions (1:48, not 1:43.5).

Several U.K. mfg's do cast white metal windows but they look pretty crude.

None of the above come with ready shot bullet holes though.

Cheers,                 Michael  

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Thanks Michael.

Might be something to do with the newfangled 'virtual reality' railroading...
...lots of Windows (TM), but not many windows ?

" None of the above come with ready shot bullet holes though." :mex:

I'm working on that one...
...have an ammo-box full of Peckinpah DVDs, for research at the weekend !

As I said to Herb, steam is at FULL PRESSURE on Mysterious Moose mountain...
...so I've decided to order the die-cut ones, before I get a leak !

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" Yeah, Mr Pink sounds like Mr Pussy. Tell you what, let me be Mr Purple. That sounds good to me, I'm Mr Purple."

" You're not Mr Purple, somebody from another job's Mr Purple, You're Mr Pink ! "

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Thought I'd just put up the details of the 'warehouse' windows...
...might be of use to other 1:35 or O-scalers.



Mr Purples warehouse windows.

Si. :pimp:

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Howdy Si... Hows about a brick foundation with the upper structure being built, or maybe rebuilt. Then you could have all the cool junk that's inside the engine house being seen rather than having it inside a dark & sooty old building. Just an "idea"...
Windows? I use Grandt Line "O scale" windows and their larger doors with transoms for 1:35. The doors get the transoms removed and the bottom of the doors built up a bit to become "in scale" with everything else. There are many details available for "O scale" which translate over nicely. Besides, I don't pick nits-there are many others out there who do that for a "living".

Woodrow

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Hi Mr. Greene.  :cb:

I like the 'under construction' idea...
...I'm gonna just HAVE to get one of those Italeri 'brick walls' kits, sooner or later !  :!:



I would like the enginehouse design to allow easily seeing inside.
I am considering useing a slightly greater number of windows & perhaps skylights, than one sometimes sees on some enginehouses.

I figure if the railroad had a bit of spare $$$, the engineers plea of " MORE WINDOWS " might have got done ?

I hope the 2nd Tamiya 'brick wall set' arrives today.
Looking forward to playing bricklayer again; & getting a final foundation design.

Need to move forward on this FAST, FAST, FAST !  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

I have a small stash of Grandt Line windows as well.
They will get used for something COOL soon, I hope.
They are real hard to get in the U.K; P+P from the U.S.A is NUTTY on them as well. :Crazy:

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

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http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-german-standard-size-frogged-bricks-1350060-57-p.asp

just a thougt, start pouring your own stones (or complete wall's

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Hi Cor.  :wave:

Thanks for the link to Diorama Debris !  :thumb:

Just the ticket for that elusive 'Stalingrad look' for the layout !  :Salute:

On the other side of the Atlantic...
...the American Civil War produced it's own 'homegrown' Stalingrad.

This enginehouse has been completely ruined.



Confederate enginehouse - Atlanta, Georgia.

Si.



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Talking of ruins...
...Dave the postman delivered the 2nd Tamiya 'brick wall set' yesterday.

No ! not you Dave ol' bean...
...the damn bricks !

All was very much NOT well with these walls !



These photos were taken, just SECONDS, before my weekend was RUINED !

I took these as close-ups for showing here...
...it's not possible to see the problem with the plackey pieces from the pix...
...but problems there are...
...BIG PROBLEMS !



The 1st Tamiya set works like a Swiss watch ! ... & gets a score of :moose::moose::moose::moose::moose: 5-mooses !

The 2nd Tamiya set works like a square wheel ! ... & gets a score of ZERO 0-mooses !

Si. :f: :f: :f: :f: :f:

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Si - please PM me re: Grandtline in the UK. My old computy will no longer work with someone who has not previously sent me a PM (it will reply but won't initiate a new PM).
Just send a message "Grandtline" so I can pass on some useful info.

Regards,               Michael

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Dave the postman was a little later than usual this morning.
Musta had a blinder, Friday night, by the looks of things.
RAVE ON DAVE !
:cool:
Today Dave brought me half a dozen double-glazing brochures...
...& one-hundred 10A scalpel blades.

Once I've finished reading how I need 'surgicaly clean' plastic-windows, SIX TIMES OVER ! (thats just TODAYS brochures !)...
...I can commit ritual-suicide using my new 'surgicaly clean' 10As; If I can't take the double-glazing onslaught any more !

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Hi Michael.

Thanks for your message; I can't wait to hear your information about windows !!

I did check out my Grandt Line stash today.
Not much of a hoard ! I thought there were more.
Seems like I only have these 4.
Grandt Line #3721 - 36"x70" Window Double Hung 8 Pane.



These 1/4" scale windows, look pretty OK for 1:35.
Bit fancy for an enginehouse...
...gonna have to dream up a new building, to use these in.

As Woodie says :-
" Good enough for Government work."  :cb:

Cheers.

Si.

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Just ordered ANOTHER Tamiya 'brick wall set'...
...that makes 3 now !

The 1st was the best bit of injection-moulding I have EVER seen ! (realy).
The 2nd was so 'out of register', flash is not the term; disaster is !

It could be possible to get the parts to fit, maybe; but I think 'the joins' would show...
...it may have to go back to the seller; took a gamble on a 3rd from another seller...
...we'll see how it works out.

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The Mysterious Moose Mountain drafting-dept. have started working on pen & ink elevations, for the enginehouse.

Door clearance for the  Shay & Porter were the first issue to come up.
The 2 locos will be 'up-scaled' from 1/4" to 1:35n2 scale.
The cab height will be raised; so Wolfgang doesn't bash his bonce any more !

Took some measurements; & came up with a 'loading-gauge' for the railroad.
Thought about doing a cardboard mock-up, of the extended cab roofs...
...but them thought, Arh ! ... LEGO ! (one of my favorite modelling tools !).

So, here are my Shay & Porter cab-extensions; for now at least !




Si.  :!:



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With the 1:35 figures & cab extension ... It does start to look like a smaller prototype 2-foot Shay.

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The Porter gets the same LEGO new-cab mock-up.



:pimp:

Pimp my Porter !

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The proportions of the Porter look a little 'odd' with a raised cab...
...they looked like that before, as well, to me.

Perhaps a bigger smoke stack ?

:pimp:

Si.

Maybe it's the fuel bunker ?

Mmmm ... ?


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Why have a roof at all? Buy the crew umbrellas---

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Hi Herb.

YOU COULD BE A FREAKIN' GENIUS !

No cab !

Yeah ! ... I like that !

My whole damn tool kit is so organaazzisseedd...

...it's an incredible 1st...

...I can't find the darn razor-saw though !

AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

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( never lend yer tools !!! )

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Cool project Si! Will be fun to watch your progress.

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Hi Ray.

Thanks for dropping by at Mysterious Moose Mountain !

Ma's chilli-beans at the hotel, are the best in the south-west, so they say.

Havin' said that, who's gonna argue with a proprietor who packs a Peacemaker in her pantry !!

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(she mostly does her killin' with the coffee these days though !)


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Hello Si,

Like The Man says, it don't have to have a cab - see below for inspiration :







Copyright :  Denver Library digital collection.


Cheers,                   Michael




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Hi Michael.

That's a great photo...
...I'm pleased Mysterious Moose Mountain didn't get a WRECK this time !

Inspired by Herb & yourself; Topless could be the way forward.
Googled topless, but didn't get any good loco pictures...
...I'll leave the photo research to you Michael !

I've probably gone cross-eyed from Google research; but...
...where's the locies fuel ? ... Is it an oil burner ?

Cheers.

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I like topless...

Must be a short run, and pick up fuel (coal?) every trip?

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Hello Si,

Best leave the Google "topless" research to me; your business is bricklaying at the MM locoshed.

OK. The photo above is not an oiler, she's burning the proper stuff - fairly hard coal by the looks of the stack, rather than bituminous.

Mainly 4 possibilities for firing :

1) As Ken suggested, on short runs she will fired from a trackside dump at either/both ends of the run. I don't know her grate size but you'll get at least 20-30 minutes steaming from a good small fire. There used to be a small, raised trackside coaling timber platform on the Manchester Ship Canal/Trafford Park rail system ....... I've got a photo of it ...... somewhere !.

2) A small amount of coal is stacked on the footplate, either side of the firehole door. Eneough for 1 or 2 short trips. On the photo above, just inboard of the timber planking "sidesheets" & forward towards the boiler backhead.

3) On sidetanks, rather than saddletanks, there was often a small, shallow 'coal-box' where the firebox/boiler sheets joined the side tanks.

4) For longer runs an old, small capacity coal wagon would be attached immediately behind the loco. The front planking of the wagon would be removed, effectively turning an otherwise condemned wagon into a makeshift tender (particularly common in Scotland) (Did I say 'penny-pinching Scots ?).

Photo below might give you some ideas (it has also been in an accident !!) :






-- look at the cab rear 1/2 sheet !!

On the above loco, although it is a saddle tank, the tank is shorter than the boiler/firebox. There may be a small coal 'box' extending from just ahead of the Number 5 to the tip of the shunting hook held by the chap in the middle (immediately below & both sides of the steam dome).

Of no use to you at the moment but about a year ago I saw a photo of a cabless Shay or Climax but can I remember where I saw it ? .... can I ---- !.

Photo Copyright N/K, found on Shildon website (public domain).

Cheers,                       Michael

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OK Si, you owe me 1/2 an evening's modelling time !. I cannot (re)find that cabless Shay/Climax photo anywhere's yet,  BUT :









A small amount of coal would probably be kept inboard of these cab side 1/2 sheets.

Some "open cab" locos were completely open, as in the damaged shunter photo above. Some had a less than full height 'spectacle plate' cab front sheet - sometimes with 2 round porthole windows. Some were as above - a 'spectacle plate' type but extended higher up & with the cab front sheet partly extended over the footplate.

Photos by Salada.

Cheers,                                 Michael

(that's 1/2 evening at mega $$$$$ an hour !!)

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Hi Michael.

Thanks very much for the pix...
...& great tech-info on the 'operations' side of things.

The last loco is pretty spiffy...
...looks like she hasn't been crashed or wrecked yet either !

I got the 0-4-2 Porter thinking I might need the rear wheels & bunker...
...but my intention was/is probably to cut them off.

The info on small fuel loads is good to know...
...since my Porter is 'for the yard'...
...it gives me a nice little thing to model, like fuel/coal/log pile, & maybe small water tower.

I had also considered a clunky 'backwoods' style tender...
...bit like your 'retired' (wrecked) coal wagon idea.
The American Land & Lumber Co. had a Porter with a tender...
...SO THERE !
(some say Porters NEVER had tenders, I beleive)

Michael, I've seen the cabless Shay ! ...
...Silver City (Woodies world) ran one...
...& have a nice model pic. or two.

Just got some alternative couplings for the Porter as a test...
...more on that later.

If anyone else has any cool 'topless' photos...
...feel free to share the 'open air' with the Mysterious Moose Mountain director of motive power.

Cheers.

Si.

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C.A.D work at Mysterious Moose Mountain...



...Cardboard Aided Design !

:moose::brill::moose:

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' The Man '



Builders Plate - Photo Sean Lambe



Built by Smith & Porter 1870



Dump cars & Porter

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:rah: :wave: :2t: :apl: :thumb: :glad:" HAPPY BIRTHDAY Si. ! " :glad: :thumb: :apl: :2t: :wave: :rah:

I am hoping to get a cool railroading present or two today.

If I do, I'll let you know !

:moose:

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Well, I was lucky enough to get a few modelling bits for my birthday.

The best present by far though, was Clares fantastic cake !
The high sugar content, kept me up assembling microscopic model parts, till the wee hours.

Non edible or liquid presents included :-
A pair of 1970s 'Britains' 1:32 scale Flamingos; for my Miami South-Beach hotel diorama (nice).
A 1:35 'Italeri' Field-Tools kit; for Wolfgangs critter repair workshop.
A 1:35 'Italeri' Brick-Walls kit; for Wolfgangs walls !

&
A MOOSE ! :moose:

Thanks also to Pat & Helen, for their long-distance message from the Caribbean...
...& Julians, from a trailer-park near Cambridge.

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This seems like a great little kit, for anyone who wants a ton of 1:35 detail parts...
...for very little Robert DeNiro $$$

Si. :bg:

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Wolfgang is delighted with his new tools. :)
He thinks slicing up corrugated styrene with the oxy. cutter is gonna be a breeze ! :shocked:



Wolfgang is sick to death of repairing his Ford V8 on the ground.
So he was pretty keen to assemble the flat-pack work-bench right away !
Unfortunatly the allen-key was missing !!
He voided his warrenty & used MEK in the end.

Si. :P


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I seem to have spent a huge amount of my spare time just lately, on research.
Especialy finding materials & kits suitable for 1:35 railroading...
...which has almost zero commercial support.

Have been looking today at parts & kits from 'other scales' which might work in 1:35.
The UK manufacturers 'Wills' & 'Ratio' for example, have quite a few interesting items...
...which are ideal for 'up-scaling' from OO/HO to 1:35.

I thought I would start at the beginning in the Mysterious Moose Mountain thread with this research.
I hope that this information might be of use to anyone else railroading in 1:35, either now, or in the future.

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Have also spent quite a while getting the foundations for the enginehouse right.
The Tamiya walls shown earlier are being doubled-up, for the main foundation.
This new kit is going to be used for an 'under construction' critter-workshop extension to the main enginehouse (pix. to follow).

The Italeri kit is very nice indeed.
Spent all last night 'de-spruing', cleaning-up & experimenting with the parts.
It's NOT compatible with Tamiya bricks by the way.
Very useful for 1:35 railroaders I think.

Oh ... & a MOOSE !

Some things have uses...
...others are just 'mooseless' !

Cheers.

Si.

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Here's the 2 sprues in detail.
 

A lot of individual bricks.
6 each, of the smaller-sections.
& a large number of the main brick sections.

They are moulded great, & fit together very well, with minimal clean up.

Si.

:mex: " Perfect for Wolfgangs critter repair shop."


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After the usual amount of urmin' & arhin' (quite a bit)...
...pretty much got the enginehouse 'footprint' nailed !

I do have a kinda overall plan for where it'll sit & how much space I've got...
...it'll do; & it now fits with the new Italeri brick extension as well.

So started glueing up the Tamiya brick sections by running MEK into the joins.



' a quick perfect fit '
(ha ha ha !)
I just noticed it says on my scrap paper...
...Mmmm.

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Mmmm...
...this morning, one of the diagonal brick joins had somehow slipped out of true !

AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

Next attempt; even more care taken & HEAVY WEIGHTS !

Lucky I have a few spare brick sections.

I now have a 'Friday afternoon' one as well...
...to practice my Winchester & close-grouped Peacemaker holes on !

Si.

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Happy birthday Si for yesterday...

:glad::glad::glad:

Cool looking kits

Cheers Dan

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Diagonal brick joint crack ?.

No problem - in fact, superb modelling detail !. It is subsidence due to mining. Trust me, I know these things as a qualified Chartered Surveyor (amongst other things).

Now why didn't I think of modelling subsidence in one of my mining area buildings ?

Cheers,              Michael 

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Hi Michael.

I would like to retain your services as consultant...
...on train-wrecks, crashes & subsidence !

I have a feeling 'extreme brickwork' might feature in the future...
...with my stash of spare 'placky bricks'.

The Mysterious Moose Mountain enginehouse isn't gonna look like your 'crooked boozer' for now though...
...I HOPE !

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

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Hello Si,

All you need is a wee 'Moonshine' plant at the back of the locoshed then you could have subsidence & (liquid) sustenance !

For consultancy I only accept cash by the way - £, $, Ying, Yang, but not Euros please.

Cheers,     Michael

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Hi Michael.

Is GOLD all right ? (not the fools Euro stuff !).

Been investigating 'placky CACTUS' ! as well as bricks.

I think there could be a few growing here & there...

...esp. near the still, out-back of the enginehouse !

Cactus might draw water out of the ground & cause subsidence...

...but am not qualified to comment.

Darn good booze though !

Cheers.

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Anti-subsidence measures at Mysterious Moose Mountain...

...users of digital-scales; need not apply !

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Thanks by the way Michael for the 'How Not To Do It' photo !



I figure the tall dudes stand at one end of the bar...
...and the shorter ones at the other !

If you want to feel less 'woozey'...
...you can always enjoy your pint at one of the tables outside...
...looking AWAY from the pub !

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The Crooked pub has been causing me nightmares !

So the Mysterious Moose Mountain bricklayers in addition to weights...
...developed the 'flying buttress' cementing technique !



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Running MEK into the joins on these has worked well.
But due to the possible moving while soft, have been only glueing 3 or 4 pieces at a time.
It has taken quite a while to do !



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Si

Better not show pix of those obsolete, inaccurate, immoral, and non eco-frendly pound weights---the Euro cops will be around to gather them up if word gets out that you are hording them.

Just a word of warning.

Best give them quietly to Salada. I've heard that he is an Euro anarchistic bloke and is building a trabouchet in his back garden to fire stuff at Brussels.


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Thanks for what I take to be the compliments !
I have Brussels' coordinates spot on, after allowing for British Summer Time - just can't get sufficient range yet.

Wow, belt & braces eh Si ?. TWO set squares !. MEK welds require some pressure to unite. Maybe, with such long, parallel faces (the long brick row pieces) the MEK is only fusing the two together at high spots where they touch ?. More gold please for that !.

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" Better not show pix of those obsolete, inaccurate, immoral, and non eco-frendly pound weights " :old dude:

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Hi Herb.

I put my trust in quality old school British iron !

Thought about 'going digital' ... But why waste electrons ? :!:

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The Euro-Cops are checking Michaels kitchen for missing draw-slides !

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http://www.freerails.com/gallery/4568/4568_220759_550000000.jpg

Ha, I thought the buildings in Rye town were bad Si. That Pi**es all over them.

It actually looks like the crocked house at Dymchurch amusement park.

Them walls your doing are looking nice and square, should have left them as they were and modelled the pub. Dan:bg:

Cheers Dan

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Hi Dan.

Thanks very much for the Birthday Greetings !
The Italeri kits are pretty cool.
Some of the 'field tools' set is assembled & heading for the paintshop.
The Italeri 'brick walls' for the under-construction critter-workshop are well on the way too...
...pix. to follow.
My favorite present was THE MOOSE though ! :moose:



Wolfgang meets moose ! :shocked:

Cheers.

Si. :P

As for the Crooked Pub ... That boozer is BONKERS ! (_!_)



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" I like topless... "

Hi Ken.

It happened late last night...

...Pocahontas went TOPLESS !



It was tricky ... but I managed to get her top off eventualy.

Si. :bg:


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Si. wrote: s tricky ... but I managed to get her top off eventualy.

Si. :bg:




I heard you were quite good at that sort of thing.............................  She looks pretty good topless to me, well done Si.


Meanwhile, the Euro-Cops draw a blank in my kitchen - all slide-runners removed.





Practically everything else removed as well as I have been told that we "need" a new kitchen. I am just having a break from chasing out the walls for new cable conduits. Now I need a pint or three in a crooked pub; or, where we live, just a pub full of crooks !.

Cheers,               Michael

 

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Hi Michael.

It's not just that you will be able to enjoy your beans on toast in 5* Hilton style.
Think of it as an investment.
One day YOU will 'need' funds & expansion for Chavez Junction !
Keep the shareholders sweet.

If the kitchen refurb. gets too much...
...you can always enlarge one of the A.C socket holes; & escape throught it !
It worked for Clint Eastwood.

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My 'topless' Google searches weren't turning up any locomotives...
...so I tried 'cabless' instead.

Came up with this interesting cabless Shay.
Top, yes ... Cab, no.

Not sure if Lima actually shipped 'em without 'proper' cabs.
I have heard stories of wooden-cabs burning down & being replaced.
But for hot climates, a top is desirable; whereas a cab probably isn't.
Mmmm...



I think this photo might have been on Freerails before.
Either the negative got printed backwards...
...or this is a rare Shay, with the interesting-bits on the 'wrong side' !

Adious Amigos.

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That's an English shay.  The drive is on the "wrong" side like the autos. :bg::bg:
Just kidding.

Good reference picture though.

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" That's an English shay.  The drive is on the "wrong" side like the autos. :bg::bg: "

Hi Dave.

Thanks for joggin' my memory on the 'lefty' story.
I remembering thinking WHY ? at the time.
It must have cost MORE surely; with tech-drawing, parts, confussion etc. !
There must have been a GOOD reason for it.

How about this.
I'm guessing Shay engineers look out on the non-cylinder side.
With them so near the cab; the steam etc. must be a bit of a hazard ?
Perhaps the Brit. railway that ordered it had a signaling system...
...& it was installed on the right-hand side of the track.
Hence, steamy stuff on the left-hand side.

Make any sense to anyone ?

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Here's a cabless 'biggie' with a pretty nice full-length roof.



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Hi Si,
Looks like the left-hander is a Mexican ! One of only four ever made, and all for the same (silver mine ?). http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-758.htm
I mean, its clearly not British - no picnic hamper and no visible means of brewing tea.

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Hello Si - strange you should mention it but the Directors have very recently sanctioned some serious investment in the Chavez Junction area !.

Groundworks (baseboard) construction & track laying to On30 standards could begin later this year - subject to all the outstanding 1:1 scale construction being finished around the house, & garden, & replacement fencing, & removal of the living room fireplace, & ....... etc.  All to Metric standards of course, in case they are listening.

I still have not found that photo of the cabless & topless Shay that I saw somewhere; it was not that Gila loco that I saw. Photos of cabless but cab roofed Shays are fairly common. That "biggie" Shay in your photo looks impressive.

The left hand cylindered Mexican (hot climate ?) mine Shays are interesting. The prototype Beyer Peacock Garratt had the trailing (rear) cylinders mounted directly below the cab doors but crews complained of the heat so all subsequent Garratts had the trailing cylinders reversed & moved further back, away from the cab. As Yankee locos are driven from the wrong side i.e. the right (as the GWR) the driver (engineer) of a 'conventional' Shay must have got fairly warm at times.

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" Looks like the left-hander is a Mexican ! ...
... its clearly not British - no picnic hamper and no visible means of brewing tea"

Hi David.

WOT NO KETTLE OL' BEAN !?

Thanks for the south of the border solution to the lefty Shay mystery.

But why ? ... I'd love to know.

Cheers.

Si.

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Hi Michael.

I'm pleased to hear the Chavez Junction directors are all happy, smoking Havanas & waiting for their D&RGW dividend !

I hope some benchwork for Mysterious Moose Mountain might be constructed by the end of the summer as well.
Thought I'd try and get on it as early as possible; since the summer always seem to fly by !

I can tell we are a month into B.S.T already...
...the overnight temp. in the workshop was a couple of degrees above freezing...
...& it's been pouring with rain !

" Grin and bear it; & put the kettle on for a hot cuppa tea ol' chap "...
...says my neighbour, in his thermal Wellingtons !

I've got the wood...
...just don't know what the heck I'm making with it quite yet.

I'll have to post a couple of my awfull trackplans...
...they're probably more entertaining than the tedious General-Election coverage on the tube at the momment though !

Good move putting up new Metric fencing...
...I hope you're planting the Roses in groups of 10.

All the best.

Tally Ho Ol' boy !

Si.

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An MMM* track plan ??.
Good heavens, you will be talking dimensions & radii next - just do it Woodie style - keep nailing bits of wood together until you run out of 2" nails.

*Mysterious Moose Mnt.

All roses will, of course, be planted in Dozens (spines facing across the English Channel).


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Oh $4!7, I've gone & done it now !
A track-plan or a crap-plan ? :us:

On Slotforum, shortly after something like this goes up...
...you get a ton of photos of hammer-drills, piles of sawdust & bloodstains on plywood !

:java: :doh: :dt:

Here's one we 'rattled off' on the back of a flattened pack of 'Luckies' a while back ! :brill:



Things in mind at the drawing-board included :-

Going to the bar for another pint.
Giving up track planning.
John Allens 'Timesaver'.
The classic 'Gumstump & Snowshoe' (& numerous other 'switchbacks').
& anything from 'Muddle Snail-Loader' under the generic title 'Maximum Switching, Minimum Space'.

A freehand attempt to draw it to scale was made.
The area is 7x5 feet, on two 5x2 benchworks.

In case it's not clear...
...the bottom-left corner, is the lowest elevation...
...the top-left corner, is the highest elevation...
...& the turntable/enginehouse is somewhere in between.

Yes I know there's way too much track crammed in & not enough room for scenery...
...that was the intention.

Operations would be possibly a card-order system...
...with despatches of 2 cars max. at a time.
The idea being to have a 'decent' number of 'car-spots' for longterm interest.

I see numerous things that could be improved.
But the idea was to experiment with something; NOT achieve 'perfection'.
This was in fact the best version of many configurations.

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Hello Si,

I like the "tiered" grades and having the highest-lowest points juxtaposed.

Two questions :

1) How is traffic going to be worked onto & off the pier/quay/whatever ?

2) Where are the trains coming from & going to ?


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>>The classic 'Gumstump & Snowshoe'<< was the "Bellefonte and Snowshoe" designed by Chuck Yungkurth.
Your plan is interesting, but on the left, that pocket is too short to make sense IMHO. A moderate size train must be reversed there in order to get the goods from up in the clouds down to the pier.....

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Hi Michael & Helmut.

Thank you both for your interest in the M.M.M.? trackplan !

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Michael.

Whilst I was toying with this plan, I had my Shay & Porter in mind.
The Shay would normaly work the 'hi-lines'...
...& the Porter would switch the Yard & Pier.
This trackplan with a card-order system; might keep 2 operators quite busy...
...especialy with the odd railcar, critter & speeder movement thrown in.

With the 'facing' & 'trailing' spurs at the Pier...
...& the 1-car only, Pier lead-track...
...the Porter would only be able to switch ONE car at a time, from the Yard.

Swopping a car from the Pier track, to the other low-level track...
...would involve, moving it to the Yard, running-around it, & switching it back to the Pier areas 2nd spur.
(it could however be 'pole-switched' also; saving the trip back to the Yard)

This is obviously quite convoluted operations.
But on a small & simple trackplan...
...I felt this maximized operational interest at the lower Pier.
In my mind, the Pier, is realy an extension of the small Yard...
...& the 2 car-spots on the high-lines worked by the Shay, 'distant locations'.

- - -

" Where are the trains coming from & going to ? "

The idea here was to play around with the idea of a 'closed-system'...
...like John Allens 'Timesaver' or the 'Gumstump & Snowshoe'.
No cars EVER leave the 'board' (except by 'sky-hook' !).
It isn't so much where the TRAINS are coming from & going to...
...but where the CARS are coming from & going to...
...if you see what I mean.

In practice, if I made a design similar to this...
...I would be mad not to cater for a 'fiddle yard' (interchange) or future-extension...
...in this case; leading away from the Yards runaround-loop, at the top-left.

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Helmut.

The 'Bellefonte & Snowshoe' was indeed Chucks layout...
...which appeared in the Model Railroader of September 1963.
The trackplan was however different.
The 'Gumstump & Snowshoe' was realy a separate (but similar) idea; that became the well known 'classic'.

I'm not sure Helmut, that I fully understand your observation.
There is 'reversing' involved; as on any switch-back track design.

By 'that pocket', I'm guessing you're refering to the runaround-track lead, at top-left.

As I said, I attempted to draw the sketch 'to scale'...
...& am since then, half way through drawing a 'proper' 1:7 version; with correct radius curves & lead-track lengths.
(again, an experiment)

It is all very tight !

Part of 'the game' to me on this, was to deal with it; like the 'Gumstump & Snowshoe' did...
...rather than just expanding, to have 'bigger' everything.

A lead-track length of Loco+1car, is acceptable here (just !).

All the best to you both.

Cheers.

Si.

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mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Track lengths - at the time of writing, I just couldn't retrieve the 'headshunt' out of my memory. I meam, its length should be the same as that of the single-ended sidings in the upperleft corner. or better still, move the turntable around as I've sketched.

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Si. wrote:
 

Swopping a car from the Pier track, to the other low-level track...
...would involve, moving it to the Yard, running-around it, & switching it back to the Pier areas 2nd spur.
(it could however be 'pole-switched' also; saving the trip back to the Yard)



Si, the only "Yard run-around" that I can see involves using the turntable as part of the run-round route, or am I missing something ?.

My first thought on seeing your plan was a fiddle yard or extension exactly where you suggest.

Maybe Helmut didn't allow for the only approximate scale of your plan ?. Moving the TT to the end, as Helmut drew it, might aid ops but it would look more like a UK style track plan - various UK locations had a similar 'track-end' TT if space was tight.

Regards,             Michael

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I just noted that if the plan were made that way, there would be no need of running round the rake on the way from the upper sidings down to the pier and vice versa.:bg:

@Michael
leave the runaround out in the yard and you have the situation at corkscrew turntable on the Silverton&Northern

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Hello Helmut : 
You are correct - but maybe he just wants to make operations as difficult as possible ??.

Regards,                  Michael

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Hi Helmut & Michael.

Thank you both again, for the input on the M.M.M.? trackplan.

I used to belong to 2 Railroad Clubs; but can no longer do the travelling involved.
Freerails has filled the 'vacuum' that existed here as a result.
It is truly a wonder of the modern world; that I can speak with people such as yourselves, 100s even 1000s of miles away about creative modelling !

The materials-research & acquisition has also been accelerated beyond anything I could have dreamt of before.
(Thanks especialy to Dave the postman !)
Finding materials & kits localy to me in the past; was a frustrating & often fruitless activity.
I actualy took up scratchbuilding as a result; simply thinking in the end, if I can't make it, I CAN'T HAVE IT, period ! ... Very affordable as well !

Thanks to ALL of Freerails stella members; Truly a worldwide inspiration for me !

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" Moving the T.T to the end, as Helmut drew it, might aid ops."

" Or better still, move the turntable around as I've sketched."

Helmut, Yes.

In the M.M.M.? trackplan, I was attempting originaly to use the enginehouse (& turntable) as a 'scenic block' to seperate visualy the yard from the pier.
Also I had wanted an under/over-bridge. like the GS&SS; but in 1:35n2 I could simply NOT get the change in elevation & clearance required, without many more feet of track.

The only place I can see the T.T AND enginehouse working for me now, is as you both say, right at 'the end of the line'.

It also saves a turnout (or 2,3), makes the whole runaround loop MUCH shorter...
...& properly sited, gives the oportunity for a couple more turnout-saving storage-tracks as well.

Si. :bg:



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''(Thanks especialy to Dave the postman !)''

I thought that all the postmen over in the UK were named Pat?

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" I thought that all the postmen over in the UK were named Pat? "

Hi Herb.

So did I !

Dave came from another job; so he didn't have the right name.
The postman on Thursday (Daves day off) doesn't either...
...I think his name is Chinaski; Used to be Mickey Rourkes stand-in.

Our postman a few years back, was called Pat...
...but he got the sack.

:doh:

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Due to a huge amount of time spent cutting back the garden (forest !)...
...modelling time has been limited.
Have been on the lookout for some nice 'weathered wood' though...
...& came across some realy nice bits from some shrub or other ?? ... Nice !!

But the Tamiya brick-wall foundation for the enginehouse was at last finished the other nite...
...the glueing process simply took AGES !...
...the walls all dried STRAIGHT this time & are now the final DOUBLE thickness !

So work got under way on the Italeri walls, for Wolfgangs critter workshop extension.



Rather than a completed foundation, which the Tamiya enginehouse walls are...
...with the Italeri 1:35 walls we're going with an 'under construction' kinda look, for the enginehouse extension.

Si.

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I had done most of the 'cleaning up' on all the Italeri wall mouldings a while ago...
...but just finished off the last few before the weekend.

So started on messing around with them, to get the right size for the extensions 'under construction' look.



Si. :thumb:


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AAAAUUUWWWW Track plan...:glad:

Things are moving forward and coming along nicely. I get lost with our postman, there always changing.

DAMM Moose he's eat some of your brick wall

Cheers Dan:bg:

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" DAMM Moose he's eat some of your brick wall "

Hi Dan.

DAMM right he has !

Yeah, it is a trackplan ... but a DAMM complex one.
Not enough space for the track realy...
...& def. not enough space for scenery ... Mmmm.

Thanks for your tip on the Ivy-wood Dan; it looks real good in your scenery.
There's a ton of it around the garden; I'll grab some next time it isn't RAINING !!

Woodland Scenics would probably want $50 bucks, for a bag of that !

- - - - - - -

" Keep banging in 2" nails, until you run out."

Hi Michael.

Talking of 50.8mm nails...
...a shelf-layout is looking more apealing every nano-second !

With 3 track joins all at different heights across the woodwork...
...there aint much potential to change anything, if it don't work out.

Why are there so many layouts with a fiddle-yard, track, & a turntable at the end ?...
...probably because IT WORKS !

DAMM !

Si. :f:


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Ideas for how to use the 1:35 Italeri brick walls, came together pretty quickly !
The previous, & much simpler, Tamiya brick walls, seemed to take forever. :slow:

Getting the basic overall size for the enginehouse was important to get right though.
These 'extension' walls were a bit easier to work out; as they fit on to the main structure.



So, I figure I'm good for the glue !! :cool:

The sections are layed out here...
...with a doorway in the centre & an aperture for a window, on each of the 4 wall sides.

Si. :P


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Si,

As you should know, 50.8 mm is a non-standard, "non-preferred" metric size.

50.00 mm is the only "approved" size to replace 2", so the nail makers flog you 2" nails but snip 0.8 mm off each end directly into their bank accounts. Bring back Farage !!

For months I have been doing various impressionist drawings of how a 2 or 3 tier shelf layout might appear (maybe fools never differ) as that is my own concept. Sufficient horizontal separation between the tiers is the obvious visual/presentation problem - as yet unsolved in my case. But a major investment in U.S. supplies is due here soon so digitum extractum as we sayz down 'ere.

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a train lift might solve the tier separation problem. Here you can see how a scissors-type motor-driven lift is made and operated. So - no excuses!
Addendum
For those who prefer a slightly larger scale

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And on the HO tri-level, oxygen masks drop down from the  cab and car celings just before level 3 is reached.

I think.

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Thanks Helmut. I quite like seeing trains going round....& round....& round while I do some shunting/switching on a lower level, so I will be using a "natural" gradient/grade rather than a Stop-Go interrupted circuit. I was hoping for a bit more realism too !.

Will someone give that cigar chewing hound a light ?.

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Hi Si

Why don't you just simplify your track plane like below. You may not need to the run around loop but for me this would be more interesting when running trains.



Cheers Dan

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Hi Dan.

Thanks very much for the drawing...
...my yard arranegment wasn't great...
...yours looks like an improvement, for sure. :thumb:

I have sketched out a few depot/yard plans as well.

This one isn't right yet either...
...but the enginehouse & turntable are kinda where they should be this time ! :P



I guess I should explain the original 'L'-shape configuration as well.

I thought that the 'L'-shape would 'visualy separate'...
...the pier from the yard...
...& the 2 industries at the top left & right corners.

It had nothing to do with my having a specific sized 'L'-shaped space for a layout...
...I don't !...
...The layout could in fact be ANY shape.

I am having a bit of a re-think on it all. :brill:

Thanks again peoples !

Si.

:moose:

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Hello Si,

"Visual Separation" - that's posh for you ! Perhaps you also design hats for Ascot ?.

Actually, I think the 'L' shape works well in separating the various elements of your original track plan. Dan's design looks good, more ops interest with his suggested run round loop. How are you at driving backuds, bunker first ? Quite usual here & in Europe but the Americans seem to hate it. Beware lumps of coal jumping out of the tender/bunker & hitting you whilst leaning out - I know !!.

Cheers,   Michael

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Flying coal chunks

That explains quite a few things I was wondering about---

And BTW, Gromit just prefers to gnaw on the end, Just like his master(?) who learned many years ago that a lit stogie plus 60 MPH on a motorcycle made for a very short smoke--increased draft and all that don't ya know. Now if I could just get him to spit in the cuspidor I bought him, instead of the living room carpet. Good thing that it's brown. Don't rightly remember what color it started out as---

Herbert

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@Michael
we could try to talk him into employing double FairliesL:
Flying lumps - that's what you get when going tender first Polish style, eh?

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Herb: same long term colour scheme as your underpants then ?

Helmut: Damn right ! - lump of coal weighing probably 3-4 + lbs at about 55mph nearly knocked my brains out. Would anyone have noticed any change ?.

Regards,    MICHAEL !  (Admin please note)

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Herb - " Oxygen masks drop down from the cab and car celings just before level 3 is reached."

Michael - " Will someone give that cigar chewing hound a light ?."


Hi Michael. :moose:

With all that oxygen leaking out from the upper-tri-level...
...wot yer tryin' to do BLOW US ALL UP ?!

Light that Partagas on the patio, PLEASE.

(Herb, I think Michaels 55mph fossil-fuel lobotomy, was only 55% successful !?)


" 'Visual Separation' - that's posh for you ! Perhaps you also design hats for Ascot ?."

I wear my normal worn-out baseball-cap to Ascot...
...& just add a bunch of bananas to the top; in case any passing Brussels-politicians feel hungry !

" For months I have been doing various impressionist drawings "

Don't worry Michael...
...my half-baked aesthetic-concepts are no match for your work as the Monet of model-railroading !!

- - - - - - -

Hi Helmut. :moose:

Thanks for the train-lift tech.
I've penciled one in, for layout expansion-module #99.
(Michael has already started a full-size 'oil on canvas' of his !)

Those double-ended locos are a Fairlie good idea ! (groan).
The turntable in my switchback plan; is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle.
My insane-mind has been 'imagineering' a double-ended railcar already (Plaster City inspired).

I've always wanted to model a turntable anyway.
A few short storage-tracks coming off it is the idea.
If I'm not going for a train-lift just yet...
...it gives me something complicated to curse at, when it doesn't work properly !!

:moose:

Si.

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Well...
...I just blew the rest of this months modelling budget last night on evilBay!!...
...for a 1930s Canadian military vacuum-tube. :!:



My Grandaddy told me that back in the day; before Boris Johnson, V.A.T & air-pollution quotas; you could get these at the local corner-store for a few Shillings !

Ah ... 'The Golden Age Of Wireless'. :P
'The Grey Age Of Wi-Fi' just doesn't sound so good ! :f:

- - - - - - -

Anyway...
...before the M.M.M 'budget-cap', I managed to score a realy nice crane kit as well !

Donald Trump (who I normaly bid against) must have had a 'brown-out'...
...& I managed to get this lil' baby for HALF PRICE !

Dave the postman launched it into my mailbox on Monday morning ... Cheers Dave ! :cool:



Needless to say, I couldn't wait to start building it !

(Wolfgang is pretty happy about it too)

Si.

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6V6 - did your Fender  'Champ' guitar amplifier go bust in the end?

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Cool little crane.

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Hi Ray.

Isn't she just ! ...
... it was LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT !

The kit is 'Ratio Plastic Models #531 Yard Crane'.
It's sold as OO/HO & represents a 'typical pre-grouping' British prototype.
Ratio Plastic Models are distributed by PECO; so should be available where PECO track is.

I came across it, looking at materials for Wolfgangs critter-workshop.
There's nothing about the design to 'scale it' realy.
I think it could work in OO/HO, 1/4", 1:35 and maybe even 1:24 & G-scale if you want a small Gn15 funky-flatcar or back of a pickup winch ?



I would recommend a 2.9mm hole in the base, if you want to avoid a 'droopy jib' !
I MEKed the upright to the base & left the top free to move around.



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Hi Si,

That little crane looks just the part; slightly reminiscent of a type often formerly seen at canal wharves, & sometimes bolted onto the external walls of old warehouses.

6V6G - audio output. Are you a Fender player ?. (Helmut's Champ comment above, must be an old one - all solid state now). Have you seen rectifier valve prices these days ?.


Regards, Michaelangelo  (medieval Chapel ceilings a speciality)

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" That little crane looks just the part; slightly reminiscent of a type often formerly seen at canal wharves, & sometimes bolted onto the external walls of old warehouses."

Hi Michael.

Thanks for the memory-jog !

As a kid, when I wasn't scrambling around Norman-ruins & Neolithic-embankments, with my Mum...
...I was probably hangin' out with Pops, around some stinky canal, examining the wonders of rusty Victorian Junkque !!

I knew I'd seen these cranes, the moment I eyeballed the kit.
Not sure I've ever seen one in a railway yard...
...but yes; canal banks & the sides of old warehouses.

I realy like ANY crane in fact.
Back in the day, did I want the Matchbox diecast Ferrari ?
The Spitfire model ?
Or the farm tractor ?
Nope.
" I want the crane lorry " ... !

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Here's a close-up of the 'Ratio #531 Yard Crane' sprue ... N i c e !



I hadn't seen any Ratio stuff before.
But am very impressed with the moulding.
Nice high-density styrene.
Pin-sharp, absolutely NO flash; just a teeny-weeny parting line.
Nice detail.



It took me an evening of modelling time to remove all the parts & clean them up.
I have become totaly O.C.D about getting rid of parting lines.
I totaly hate doing it though ... Tedious.
But those muthers ALWAYS show up, right at the very end of painting...
...which AIN'T GOOD ! :f:

VERY nice set of parts ... Me ... Happy bunny ! :bg:

Si

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" Regards, Michaelangelo  (medieval Chapel ceilings a speciality) "

ANY excuse to get PLASTERED !

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There isn't an assembly-sequence given in the brief instruction sheet.
Ratio say, please check parts & fit before glueing !
No kidding !
I came to start glueing at 11:59pm & then thought better of it...
...I was gonna screw up FOR SURE !

I think it's well worth figuring out some kinda 'strategy' on the construction...
...or it's likely to come out a bit wonky !
Also, if you are unfortunate enough to glue some parts first...
...other parts them become impossible to get to.

It ain't rocket-science though...
...& I felt pretty cool about it in the morning; just not brain-dead at midnight !

:cool:



Putting all the pivots in first was good; kept it all lined up.
where the uprights join the base, there are no location-pips...
...& this should be glued last, for proper alignment...
...a bit of tape to hold it helps as well.

The pulley wheels need 1 flange glued on...
...a bit of tape helps here as well.

So far, so good ! :thumb:

Si.


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Hi Michael.

" Have you seen rectifier valve prices these days ?."

YEAH !!

" Are you a Fender player ?."

NO...
...I very, very, very, NEARLY got a 'Jazzmaster' a couple of years ago...
...but didn't have time for the 'Soviet power-lifter' classes !!

" All solid state now."

Not in my hood holmes ! "

:moose:

Si.


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Hi Helmut.

" 6V6 - did your Fender  'Champ' guitar amplifier go bust in the end? " :shocked:

Not a bad guess dude ! :brill:

Close...
...but NO CIGAR ! :f:

I actualy use a late '50s 'Selmer' push-pull...
...made in London, OF COURSE !
(not sure about Leo's American made tat ;) )

However...
...the 6V6G is for a 'near' clone of (the one BEFORE the 'Champ') the Fender 'Champion 800'/Gibson 'Les Paul Junior' (pre 12AX7, 1947?).
Both I think in fact, an R.C.A design (the same), who supplied the tubes to both manufacturers.

The straight 'clone' was appealing; but it would be NUTS not to take advantage of a few mooooodern 'tweaks' !

Improved choke P.S.U, with modern capacitors.
D.C heaters.
Replace R.C.A preamp pentode; with Marconi 'kinkless tetrode' (KTZ63).

Model railroading sound systems have kinda interested me, vaguely...
...but only if they at least 'attempt' to sound 'real'.

Some guys I knew years ago, used the P.F.M sound-system.
Complicated synchro. cams & stuff.
Was it analouge or low-bit digital ?
I dunno; must research this whole sound thing; not time yet.

Another friend has used recorded sounds, as an 'ambient soundscape'...
...Brian Eno does model railroading ??

I would like to make a mono tube-amp that could potentialy...
...reproduce the sound of a Caterpillar SIXTY starting up etc. !!
The (G) suffix 6V6, is supposed to have KILLER BASS ! (I have (GT)s & (M)s already).
It's like a Poker-game though; I gotta PAY to find out !!
Of couse, a suitable speaker is needed as well !!

Kinda wondered whether to start a dedicated 'sound thread' on Freerails...
...as I don't see one at the present.

Mmmm...

Cheers.

Si.

P.S. Anyone know if an I2S-bus is available on modern digital train sound systems ?
( yer never know who reads this jazz ! )

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" Hi Dave ... Is that parcel my priceless 1930s vacuum-tube ? "

" I dunno mate ... But it got a bit squashed in the back of the van."

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After glueing the uprights & flanges on the two pulleys... :slow:
(photo, previous page)



...it seemed like the best move, to part-assemble the jib next. :brill:

I glued the small pulley to the jib ends...
...& at the bottom of the jib, used a wider nut as a spacer, with electrical-wire and tape, to hold it all in alignment while the pulley glue dried.



Some of the gear-wheels are just a test fit in this photo.
The 2 straight jib-stretchers, need fitting later.
If you're not carefull here...
...glueing the large gear toward the front of the photo...
...means you CAN'T re-insert the pivot that holds these 2 jib-stretchers. :f:

I made sure ALL the pivots were a tight & straight fit; and glued them LATER.
Here, only the uprights are glued to the base; with some nuts etc. for alignment. L:

I can see why they omitted an assembly-sequence in the instructions...
...they would have needed A LOT MORE PAPER !
Mmmm...

Si. :P

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'Evening Si,

"IS2 Bus" ?  Dunno, we usually catch the No 2 from th'end of road.

My experience is more unload the van, rig the stage, play, load up the van again & onto the next gig. What happens to the evil glowing bits inside the boxes or why they work I don't really know - other than fitting silver foil top-hats to cook 'em up a bit.

Spent years looking for a "Jazz" (6 string) at my £ range. Too late now as I am mostly acoustic these days. Also I'm supposed to be building a model RR rather than gigging.

Regards,             Michael

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Hi Michael.

I saw your exellent track-making photo somewhere on Freerails...
...NICE WORK !
I guess it's for Chavez Junction.

I know you said you were after some Micro-Engineering flexi.
Are you using Code-83 for the switches ?
Do you have a fav. supplier for rail & PCB-ties in the U.K.?
Are you using a gauge, eg. NMRA, PECO etc. ?

Cheers.

Si.

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'Evening Si,

My track & switches that you saw here on FT are scratch built for my English 'O' gauge (43.5:1) SG colliery layout.

Correct On30 track is difficult here in the UK. In my experience to date there are 3 choices:

1) Scratch built using Peco Code 82 (Peco IL-115) or Code 83 (Peco IL-83) rail. The problem is finding the correct size spikes (difficult) and the correct size ties (impossible).
Our U.S. cousins often seem to have their own timber sizing equipment but I cannot justify the expense. '00' copper clad sleeper strip (SMP, Scaleway, C&L etc) is just a bit too wide for correct D&RGW ties. Some model aircraft retailers have wood strips almost the right tie size but very expensive & not always suitable for spiking.

2) Use Peco O-16.5 NG ready made track. For a freelance type NG layout it doesn't look too bad; Shoulders (Daniel) & others can make it look really good but the appearance & tie dimensions are quite wrong for proper U.S. 3' gauge modelling (or even 2' 6").

3) The only real choice for reasonably priced correct appearance U.S. NG ready made track is Micro- Engineering. However, there only seem to be 2 UK suppliers, of which one has stopped importing (American Model Railroad Centre, Bodmin, Cornwall) & the other (NG Trains) sells the pre-weathered stuff which is to be avoided at all costs - it just buckles & twists if you try to bend it. Both the above do have some ME switches (or did).

Importing your own ME stuff comes with all our usual surcharges, inspection charges etc. Through the kind auspices of a senior FR member I have just received a personal import of ME stuff (thanks old chap !!) but that was a "one-off" fluke. The ME flexitrack & switches look good. All that work in the kitchen has indeed paid a Management Dividend !.

For 'non-standard' switches I will use filed down copperclad & trimmed coffee stirrer ties with Peco Code 83 rail - no spikes, bury the detail in ballast.

No, I don't use track gauges for O Gauge - just eyesight, a vernier caliper, a wheelset & a wagon. For On30 I might turn up a few gauges on the lathe; I have yet to try building an On30 switch (soon !). Code 83 looks damn small after the 7mm SG rail.

Not much help I am afraid Si - modelling US in the UK is a mug's game but at least I hope to be able to run some larger outline Consolidateds & Mikados in a smallish space which I see as the benefit of On30. Anyway, "summer" is supposed to be arriving & that means the UK music festival season so goodbye toy trains, hello 6 string !.

Cheers,          Michael      (normal service will return in the Autumn)  




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" Real modellers no need no stinkin' instructions!. Jose."

Hi Jose.

I had hoped to get my Grandmother to assemble the rusty yard crane !...
...in exchange for a couple of barley-wines !
(thought it might save some time & get M.M.M up to WARP-SPEED Lt.Data !) :slow:

Alas, If yer wanna get it done... :time: ...

All the best.

Cheers.

Si. :P

P.S. The Executive-Directors have been investigating the construction of an M.M.M railcar !!

I don't suppose any rinky-dink backwoods-hayseed would of ever done such a crime, but...

...how about a 1938 Packard limo ??!!

:Crazy:



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Good evening Sir Michael !

You will be pleased (I hope) that the M.M.M  R.O.W now stands at 105.00689' !!
Dave the postman (the coolest mail-'person' :cool: out there !) brought me a YARD of HO code-83.
(looks like the E.U are yet to crackdown on PECO, for weights & measures !)

It does look a tad smallish (compared to the code-100, I had already)...
...& WHAT ! the hell are they on about with code-82 IL-115; I noticed that & thought W.T.F !
(what is it for ??... 1/1000" ... are they NUTS ?!)

Your handlayed did look very (nice) Brit. to me (go on, chuck us a pic. up !).

I got the yard of PECO code-83 HO, for a 'quick fix' on the  enginehouse & NEW turntable trackage (both buried).

I did find 5mm x 1.6mm P.C.B uncut-strips (could cut my own; if I'm :Crazy: ).
Also eBay Obeche in 5x3mm strips; I think 50-of 1 yard/metre for 20 Quid; not too bad.

This means the ties at 1:35 would be approx. 6.9" x 4.1" ... Mmmm ...
... a bit wide possibly...
... but who knows ??

The spikes I have are PECO IL-? & Shinohara HOn3 !
(I also have a soldering-iron & some Jack Daniels)

Thanks for the info. Michael.
Your consultancy-fees are being 're-invested' in the M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co.
(Mysterious Moose Mountain Molybdemum Mining and Manufacturing Company)

They have (allegedly) struck $$$ up at the metorite-crater on the mountain...
...GOOD LUCK !

Cheers.

Si.

EUREKA ! :glad: ( possibly ... (_!_) )


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Hi Si,

Thanks for compulsorily reinvesting my fees in the MMMMMMMM Corporation Inc. of which I shall now consider myself to be a PAID Director.

Meteorites, Molybdenum ... been on the back-of-shed-moonshine have we ?

WTF ? is about right !

IL-115 is + 4 thou" wider on the rail head, + 3 thou" wider on the foot & same height as IL-83......WHY ??. Nice to see Peco still work in yards though.

D&RGW NG ties are 8" wide x 6" high x 72" long so your stuff isn't far out as it is actually narrower than standard 3' gauge U.S. track.

Shinohara spikes ?  Where from please ?.

You want photos ?  OK :









UK Colliery Loco No 1, an Avonside SS Class. Totally scratch built except for sprung buffer heads & buffer housings, hand rail knobs, motor & worm gear (I made the worm). Wheels  finish turned from semi-finished castings. After I had finished, it came out as a kit but I modestly prefer mine as it looks more "in hard service". Boiler backhead to be made & fitted. Real timber buffer beams !.


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Hi Si

Just a thought, EM/p4 gauge sleepers work out pretty well for 2ft gauge. Might be worth looking at the UK S-scale society and see how there sleepers offer up for size in the scale your modelling, might even be good for 3-foot main in 1/48. They may do you a bundle as a one off.

Hi Michael- love the colliery loco, I have a 12inch Nelson nearly finished in 4mm scale.

Cheers Dan

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Hi Michael & Dan.

Thank you both for the info & ideas on the M.M.M track.
SUPERB loco Mr.S. ! :bg:

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Pleased to hear D&RGW ties are 8"x6"x72"...
...that 5x3mm Obeche, I think has got me convinced !

Nice thing with the 3mm height (I think it's an 1/8" realy)...
...is P.C.B-ties are 1.6mm high (1/16")...
...so for the switches; I can glue 2 P.C.B-ties together...
...& BINGO ! the wood-ties & soldered ones MATCH ! :brill:

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" IL-115 is + 4 thou" wider on the rail head, + 3 thou" wider on the foot & same height as IL-83."

Cheers Michael; that is great info...
...I guess the rail in my Yard of HO track, must be IL-83...
...will investigate with micrometer !

" Shinohara spikes ?  Where from please ?."

Sorry to say, I bought the Shinohara HOn3 spikes about 20 years ago !...
...from Bernie 'Victors' in Islington, London.
No idea where in the U.K they could be had now. :old dude:

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There REALY IS a meteorite ! :shocked:
I'll put some pictures up in a bit.
I have quite a few 'cool rocks'...
...but the meteorite is THE COOLEST by far !

( the M.M.M.M.M.&.M.Co. could cost me a MINT in dry-lettering sheets, if they ever expand !) :f:

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Having spent all my 'modelling time' in the DAMN garden lately !... :f:
...I collapsed in front of the tube the other evening...
...and caught Wallace & Gromit in 'The Wrong Trousers'. :)

Gromit does the FASTEST sectional-track laying EVER in this episode... :shocked:
...as he tries to save Wallace from a psychotic loco-driving penguin !

There's a ton of top plasticine railroading action in 'The Wrong Trousers'...
...highly recommended !
(especialy for exausted brain-dead gardeners) :slow:

Anyhow, my knackered-neurons came up with the idea, that since the Mysterious Moose Mountain R.O.W now stands at 1-yard (much less than Gromits !)...
...maybe I should try and run a train ! :!:

In a momment of insanity, probably induced by too much gardening, a few years back...
...I gave away THREE train power-pack/throttles ! :Crazy:
(& a bunch of other stuff; I now wish I had)

Oh well; I did keep my D.I.Y train-throttle, which I think was made when I was 14 ! :bg:



I thought I'd dusted it off a bit better before taking the pic. ! ;)

The 'accelerate button' busted, sometime during the previous millennium...
(that's the 20th, NOT 19th-century !)
...& needed replacing (bodgeing !). :dt:

Other than that, it works great; just the job for Mysterious Moose Mountain ! :s::s::s::s::s:

Time for a bit of a refurb on the handset me-thinks.
Moooooodern 21st-century electronics has a ton of cool parts available...
...some of which I already have my beady lil' eyes on, for an UPGRADE !

:cool:

Si.

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The original design for this throttle, is in the (now Medieval) Kalmbach Publishing Co. book ... 'Practical Electronic Projects For Model Railroaders', by Peter J. Thorne.

In the book it's simpley called 'S.C.R Throttle' (silicon controlled rectifier).

It is an amazingly simple circuit...
...but like so many amazingly simple things; it works very well.

Mr. Thorne no doubt tweaked & perfected the operation of the throttle...
...so you don't have to.
It does exactly what it says on the tin ! :s::s::s::s::s:

The 3 commercial throttles I gave away a few years back, were OK; but not great.
Two were straight 'centre-off' H&M '70s jobs...
...and 1 was a Codar-Controls, with an interesting, but poorly operating 'momentum' feature.
It was enough however, for me to realise that 'momentum throttles' were the way forward, to what I liked for running trains.

If you haven't tried a momentum-throttle; you should check one out.
No jerky starts & stops.
The loco 'feels' like it actualy has real mass & velocity.
This S.C.R throttle also has automatic voltage-feedback...
...the power to the rails increases & decreases (not that you would notice it) with changes in the load...
...which helps the train maintain a constant speed.

Nice.



It's VINTAGE baby !

Si.

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Si,

One word of caution on this throttle design, if you are planning on using micro motors (i.e. the expensive ones that can have gearheads installed) this is not the throttle design to use. The throttle works with pulse width modulation which will destroy the micromotors by overheating them. For the more normal types of motors used in modeling, it works great.

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Hi Kent.

Thanks for mentioning the potential issue with micro-motors.

Looking at the original construction article the other day; I was quite surprised to see that a 16-20 Volt A.C. transformer was recommended for the throttle.
Going on to say, that 25 Volt 'peaks' can occur.
There is however a 'maximum-speed' preset in the design, for adjustment.

Since the typical micro-motor user, is I guess, interested in 'scale-speed' rather than 'max-speed'; I figure the average micro-motor often doesn't get cranked-up beyond 1/2-way on a typical throttle.

Here's a link to a short P.D.F that talks about this & has a schematic for a simple non-P.W.M 'current-limited' throttle.

Micro-motor control & current-limited throttle schematic.

As is pointed out, coreless micro-motors are not great at disipating HEAT. :shocked:

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Here's the track-side of the throttle.
There is a P.C.B layout in the article.
I seem to have changed it about a bit; to bring all the terminals out at one end.

It's so simple though, If I were making it today, I wouldn't bother with a P.C.B; and would use a 'tag-board' instead.



I actualy remember etching the nice wooden-floor in front of the sink, with the ferric-chloride !!
I seem to also remember, that Pops was a tad peeved about this ! :f:

Cheers.

Si.

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Si,

It is precisely that lack of a core which contributes to the issue. The core acts as a heat sink. As for the etching in a kitchen sink, I would think that you might want to clean it up with battery acid, too (LOL)!

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Hi Kent. :wave:



I never used ferric-chloride directly in the sink (the plug was a loose fit).
I had an old ice-cream tub.
It just tended to splash about a bit.
I think it might have been youthful enthusiasm as well (no danger of that now).

I had to quit the etching years ago, for health & safety reasons...
...you might as well just have gangsters pull yer fingernails out, as mess with that soup !



I did say, if I made the throttle again now, I'd use tag-board.
But this is in fact, how stuff gets made here these days.
Just a piece of Teflon with holes drilled in it !

No blunt saws & drills, cuts with a knife, no nasty fibreglass dust, good insulation, doesn't melt, pretty cheap on fleaBay.

It's a no brainer ! :brill:

Cheers.

Si.

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P.S. Yep ... No core; no heatsink.
I guess keeping the running Voltage low, is the answer for micro-motors.
I figure the Japanese bullit-train & French T.G.V modellers probably pass on them ! ;)


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Si,

I feel like I'm hijacking your thread on this issue, but once again the issue with micro motors isn't the high voltage, but the spikes put out by the SCR throttle. As long as you stay within the motors voltage ranges they perform well. The heating comes into play because of the waveform put out by the SCR throttle. These motors respond to electrical current very quickly and the spikes tell them to go to maximum and then shut off several times per second. They want to see a constant voltage level or one that only changes gradually. With that I'll leave this alone unless you or someone else has specific questions. I only inserted this because it really isn't common knowledge and the micro motors ARE expensive little toys.

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" I feel like I'm hijacking your thread on this issue "

Hi Kent.

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY DUDE !

All this 'hijacking' & 'off topic' bull, that you sometimes hear people go on about...
...has never made the least bit of sense to me !

I'm here on Freerails to talk about ANYTHING to do with trains, cars, buildings, figures, model-making, sound, electrical-stuff & motors !
& most importantly...
...to have FUN and LEARN and MAKE FRIENDS.
( I just don't want to talk about The World Series & GARDENING !! )

So...
...no such thing as 'hijacking' or 'off topic' here at Mysterious Moose Mountain !
I would much rather hear from people...
...than not.

Thanks VERY MUCH Kent, for drawing the micro-motor issue to my attention.

I have been looking into the situation.
Both the throttle-design & correct micro-motor use.

I have a 'Portescap RG7' which I'm keen not to turn to carbon !!

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

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'Evening Si,

Just back from our latest music Festival & other travels in our wonderful "global warming" summer heat (???). Ever been to a summer festival where they had to install gas heaters ??. More like global winter.

Kent is 100% correct, that little box of yours will certainly b*gger up a Portescap. Looking at your old blue capacitors (1st photo) are you sure that isn't really an old delay/reverb/echo unit ?. I'd never thought of trying to use my old Roland pedals to control a model train.

Surely "Victors" disappeared years ago ?. Dan might be onto something with his S scale sleeper suggestion. Anyone here a member of the S scale org. ?.

Cheers,               Michael

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Micheal and Si,

I am modeling in S scale, but I'm doing the Maine two foot stuff. As for hijacking threads, I have had it happen when I asked for some advice on Sn2 things and ended up somehow getting back suggestions that I should consider converting to Sn42 and use regular HO track instead of HOn3 track. About seven people jumped in on the various merits of this particular combination which bore absolutely no relationship to what I had originally asked. I was not amused, and have become sensitized to this as a major issue in these forum type discussions. On other forum sites the other big issue is people who DON'T know how to delete the previous messages. You end up with very long messages which are repeats of everything that has been on the site to date.

Very difficult to find anything new in such circumstances.

I have been following this thread with some interest for a while. I am glad that I have some things to offer as a result of my experiences in designing electronics for a living. I am a retired computer design engineer who now has time for the important things in life like the Maine two foot gauge roads. I am glad to see that I am not the only one left in the model rail world who isn't enthused by the trend to DCC.

Kent K

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" Looking at your old blue capacitors (1st photo) are you sure that isn't really an old delay/reverb/echo unit ?. I'd never thought of trying to use my old Roland pedals to control a model train."

Hi Michael.

Wot ? ... Yer mean like this old Roland I refurbished a couple of months back.



She was suffering from 'The Usual Suspects'.

Ingress of beer & cigarette-ash.
Plus all her knobs had fallen off & got lost !

A lil' bit of T.L.C later...



...and she's heading for the  M.M.M prototype sound-system !

VERY 'Steam-Punk' !

She sounds like a cross between 'Eraserhead' & the Caterpillar-SIXTY from 'Mulholland Drive' !

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Kent,

I thought Admin had banned computer design engineers from Freerails ? (only joking).

Regards,                   Michael

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Ah, the ingress of beer & fag ash ! Now that really reminds me of my 'old days' !

Before ANY gig rigging, the same guy was always deputed to hijack a "Staff Ashtray" for the night. Damn thing was always put on one of my speaker cabs. Not that I smoked of course, ...... much !.

Nice bit of real vintage kit there Si. For me, Roland Boss was always the best. Can't beat their original Chorus pedal. I always & only ever used the same setup - Chorus then through a digital delay into one of Mr F's spring reverb combos with the tremolo off. Nice clean sound but with some interesting depth, all knobs trimmed back to a lower setting.

Isn't this supposed to be a model railway site ?

Cheers,           Michael

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Micheal,

In the spirit of Ed McMann and Johnny Carson:
"May your micromotors have the good fortune to only have
SCR throttles to drive them"

In jest,

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Kent mentioned three words that softened my usually hard heart.

Maine    two    footers

That blinds me to a lot-----


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Sn2 wouldn't that be 9.5mm gauge? In them olde days I tried that using adapted N-scale mechanisms on handlaid 9.5mm gauge track. Even had come by some LoneStar 000 sections.

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OK if you say so Boss - but only the ONE computer design engineer, no matter how often he/she says your favourite 3 little words.

Cheers Kent, looks like you've got Official Approval (that's more than the rest of us motley lot have got - I only got in by pretending to be someone else).

Regards,           Michael  

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Hi yer lil' 2-foot chaps !

Here's a 1/4" model of an SR&RL flanger...
...made while I was 'rubber-gaugeing'.



Sorry about the D&RGW On3 trucks Kent !!

:P

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I know another couple of rail-spikes have just got stuck into the plasticine Voodoo-model of my Portescap-motor, that Kent has been making !

Michael's wondering...
...what's that tiny diminutive garden-shed doing on those nice huge D&RGW trucks !?

& Herb's probably thinking...
...this narrow-gauge stuff is for pussys !...
...I'm a BIG dog !

Si.

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P.S. Kent, if you can help me hack into the Freerails 'mainframe' in Herb's basement...
...I could delete some of the model railroading trash that Michael keeps posting, in my guitar-playing thread !

Don't worry; we can blame it on the Chinese !

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Hi Si

Wow that looks amazing, give your self 4 moose's: :moose::moose::moose: Sorry I had to delete one Moose because of the trucks, he he.

Cant wit to see what else you have built.

Cheers Dan

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Helmut,

Technically, Sn2 should be 3/8 inches in gauge. However as you noted, there are not readily available trucks and locomotives for such a gauge. Here in the US, several modelers are using HOn3 track standards and mechanisms to alleviate this. It results in an error of a little over 10% greater than the true measurements, but it also means that scratch built running gear isn't required. It's my model and I'm can live with the small error when I consider the alternatives.

FYI, when I started this I had the same discussions and was given advice about this from the more experienced folks. I have seen some of the European models which were constructed around N gauge mechanisms which involves a small error in the opposite direction, it is a little less than the truly accurate gauge. However, Frary and Hayden modeled much of the flavor of the Maine two footers using N scale track and mechanisms in HO scale. So as in any modeling endeavor, work to what you are comfortable with.

Hopefully this answers any questions you had. If not let me know and I'll try to help. But I know I don't know everything. If I did I wouldn't be watching the forums trying to learn more.

Kent K

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                                      REWARD

Offered for return of 2 heavy duty freight trucks stolen from Chavez Junction yard by the Molybdenum Meteorite Mob.

Believed holed up in the London badlands in a strange looking old hut on wheels.

Return of old hut not required, suggest burn on site together with any Mob occupants.

Sheriff Salada












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Sheriff Salada tracks the stolen D&RGW freight-trucks...
...to an Allapattah alley, in Miami.



"  FREEZE  SCUM  BAG  !  ...  1:35  SQUAD  !  "



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...... & I see that the Sheriff's faithful Madame Salada has also drawn one of her  weapons.

Ummmm .... tight fitting, slightly kinky looking black uniforms -- never thought of trying that before, thanks Si !. 

As Zebedee said, "time for bed".

Apologies to our U.S. viewers who probably don't get that - a speaking dwarf on a bouncy single coil spring - no, don't bother figuring it out. Or a talking cow called Ermintrude, or a stoned rabbit by the name of Dylan. They don't make TV like that anymore.

Cheers,            Michael   (& Zebedee, Dylan & Co)

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" YOU'RE UNDER ARREST SUGAR ! " says Officer Peaches...

...the most pleasantly perfumed police-person in the 1:35 Squad Dog-Section.

In a recent interview & centrefold for Police-Person Periodical, Ms. Peaches told the magazine :-

I would like to travel the World & meet people.
Be kind to animals...
...and LOCK UP BAD-GUYS.

:w:

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@Michael
now that is definitely not US style.

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Hi Helmut.

Thanks for the link...
...classic entertainment !

Of the 'Magic Roundabout generation'...
...I saw them all on the family B&W valve-T.V. !
(which eventualy caught fire, in the lounge !!)

Tragic news though.
About 20 years ago, I sorted through a box of old 60s/70s toys from my parents loft.
Apart from some trains, slot-cars and LEGO...
...the rest went IN THE BIN !!
(stupid !)

Unfortunatly this included my miniatures of Zebede, Mr.McHenry (on his scooter), Brian the snail, etc. & a few of the wonderful Magic Roundabout trees !

I think they may have been made by Corgi, perhaps.

Sigh.

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Well, at least the dwarf made it to immortality as a C64 game.

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Mine went to a land-fill in Essex !!

R.I.P Zebede.

Sigh.

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The enginehouse foundation is taking shape.

The red-brick Tamiya wall sections are all done.
The grey Italeri walls are 'getting there'...
...I have had to MEK one piece at a time on these; otherwise WARPTASTIC !



Boris is thinkin; where's the rails for the floor ?

&

Wolfgang is checking out his new critter workshop...
...he always has a can of gas on hand, for a thirsty loco !

:moose:

Si. :P

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Si - what are you sticking the walls down onto ?. If plastic, beware using MEK on the one side only !.

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I like that two-footer caboose, very well done!

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" Si - what are you sticking the walls down onto ?. If plastic, beware using MEK on the one side only !."

Hi Michael.

Don't worry ol' boy...
...I totaly screwed up a scratchbuilt HO logging-car model, from my youth...
...NEVER AGAIN !

Not as hard as sticking things to Teflon(TM) though !!




The only 'known' material which Geckos can't climb !  :us:


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Dave the postman :cool: didn't come on Friday.
So nothing from the Royal Mail for me this weekend. :f:

However.

I did get a delivery from U.P.S
How do I know ? (what ?).
It had one of their stickers on the box.

U.P.S deliveries here at Mysterious Moose Mountain...
...are, well; a mystery !!

I've NEVER seen the delivery person ? / persons ? / guy ? / gal ? / robot ? / alien ??
I've NEVER heard the van ? / truck ? / speedboat ? / helicopter ? / U.F.O ??

Stuff from U.P.S, just arrives; somehow. ???

That's why they're know around these parts as...

... UNITED PARCEL STEALTH ! :Salute:

Must be a Steven Segal type ex-Navy Seal perhaps ?
I'll see 'em one day I guess.
Or will I ??!!

- - - - - - -

UNITED PARCEL STEALTH brought the plastic-moulding, for refurbishing my old D.I.Y train-throttle, I built as a teen.

I have to say, I'm very pleased with this item.
For what it is; it was quite expensive.
But when I clocked it in the C.P.C catalogue...
...I knew I could transform my clunky '80s D.I.Y project into a ROLLS ROYCE !

What price style & comfort ?

Mmmm...



Curvey !!

:pimp:

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Hello Si,

Looks more like a set of bathroom scales for those who don't want to how their weight.

Cheers,           Michael

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" Looks more like a set of bathroom scales for those who don't want to how their weight."

Hi Michael.

I'm not too worried about this myself (ignorance is bliss ?)...
...but then, I'm not spending the rest of my summer in a BEER TENT ! :P
Good luck seeing your scales, past your 'bun in the oven', come autumn !

- - - - - - -

Measurement, of the Volts & Amps type, did come to mind though.
(might help me not to burn-out all the M.M.M motors !) :w:

My D.I.Y train-throttles 'main-board' never got put in a decent case.
It was screwed to the bottom of my old layout...
...& run from a vintage '60s Triang A.C transformer, on the floor ! :shocked:

So, it's time for a case to house the A.C transformer & board, as well as a new handset.

- - - - - - -

I found this nice Volts/Amps meter on eBay for a measely £2.38p inc. P&P !!

I don't like making anything more complex than it has to be.
But this could be a nice little feature for my 'Rolls Royce'...
...& it's 'cheap as chips' !!
(I like cheap chips) :pop:



" Micro-motor boiler-pressure looks OK chief ! " :thumb:



" The engines 'can'-nay take it Captain ! ...
... The Klingons are gonna kick our ass for sure ! "

(_!_)

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Bit of a busy weekend I'm afraid (non train related :f:).
But I did manage to spend some time checking out the new O.K.W 'Blob Unit' enclosure !

Scarry movie that, 'The Blob'...
...pants (_!_) special-effects; but Steve McQueen was pretty :cool: !

Found some cool push-buttons & a reversing-switch for the throttle handset...
...& got that sucker marked out !
Progress ! :bg: :slow:

Bloody curvey-cases...
...rocked 'n' rolled all over the bench...
...& was quite tricky to mark out, using the M.M.M draughting dept. set-square !

But with N.A.S.A style precision & too much coffee; it's LIFT-OFF Houston !! :java::cb:



:Crazy: Curve ball !

Si.

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M.M.M push-button 'test thumb' !

PASSED !!

 
:old dude: " Is dual thumb operation possible ? " ... :2t: YES !!

Si.

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Look out Si !  There's a 3-eyed alien lurking on your workbench.
Better set Phasers to "vapourise" and then fire at will.

Only £2.38 off Fleabay eh ?. Is that why it is reading Zero volts @ 26.9 Amp ? Are you welding the rails on the MMMMM  ROW ?.

Cheers,            Michael


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Hi Michael. :wave:

Yeah ... That photo of the V/A meter is pretty funny ! :)

No ... We're not welding the rail at Mysterious Moose Mountain...
...it's obviously a readout of an S.C.R throttle, running a Portescap motor !!!!! :shocked:

It has arrived from Shungpingmongsheznyding-Province though...
...& looks COOL :cool: ... Thanks Dave (it didn't get crushed in the back of the post-van !).

BEWARE ... THE BLOB !



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The moose is BACK ON THE LOOSE ! :moose:

:shocked:

Been pretty busy on non-R.R stuff for a few weeks. :f:

But, have been trying to 'chip away' at some of the 'small stuff' nevertheless ! :P

Got some cool flooring materials for the M.M.M enginehouse & Wolfgangs critter-workshop.
Photos to follow.

Have also been looking into electrical-switches that might be suitable for frog-changeover; with Caboose Industries HO ground-throws.
I think I found a couple of good options; more info soon.

- - - - - - -

The 'funky yard crane' got some more attention the other day...
...& is now pretty much done, except for the chains.

The cross-braces are all different sizes & wider at one end than the other.
No location 'pips' are provided; so, put 'em where yer want !!



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Si, old Chap

Shouldn't your ''Signature'' line read

''If you like cars as well as cranes--''


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Looks like the rumours of a massive cave-in at the MMMMMMMMM Mine weren't true.
Si & Wolfgang are alive and back in town. Good news for the girls down the Ole' Moose Saloon.

Regards,     Michael  (just passing through home & Internet access between Festivals)

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Hi Michael.

PARTY ON DUDE !!!



Don't forget to tuck the flares into the top of yer Wellingtons...

...that British festival-mud is a bitch to get out of quality polyester !!!

:moose:

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Hi Herb.

' Trains Cranes & Automobiles ! '

If (nice) people stop finding me loads of things to do this summer...

...I might be able to finish the crane in time for Thanksgiving !

(curtain-ring salesmen, airport delays & burnt-out cars allowing of course)

:moose:

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That's a 5 meese crane Si! I love it.

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Hi Ken.

Having done some 1:24n3 models a while back...

...I think this crane would be FAB on a funky lil' Gn15 flat-car !

Great for all kinds of mining operations.

Yer fancy one ?

Cheers.

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Hi Si,

Back home again (seriously partied out). I like your photo but Flares, Bee Gees & John Revolta are way too modern for mine & Madame S's  taste !.

The only flares will be distress flares having just read Herb's impending doom post but
 "A Man's Gotta Do What A man's Gotta Do" and the Boss has a long wish list to complete. He has done his time & earned his reward. 

Regards,          Michael

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Hi Michael.

Sorry about the new-fangled polyester threads...

...hope the British festival-mud, washes out of the tights & cod-piece OK.

Try DAZ & OMO (not both together though...

...it could EXPLODE !).

Cheers.

Si.

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Photos to follow...
...on cellphone at the moment...

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:thumb: " This is Houston ... We have LIFT OFF ! "



I figured out which cross-braces go where (with a magnifying glass !)...
...widend the curvey side girders with some scrapy-placky...
...& Wolfgang MEKed 'em in place !

Nice one Wolfgang...
...no 'side wobble' when it comes to lifting those heavy V8 critter motors !

:moose:

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Is it motorised yet Si :bg:
Good idea with the wedge
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" Is it motorised yet Si :bg: ? "

Erm ... well ... L:



... in a word ...

... NO ! :f:


These V8 critter-motors are pretty darn HEAVY. :shocked:

Even the newfangled post WWII styrene engine-blocks, are not that light ...

... esp. if you're only 2" tall !

:moose:

" Good idea with the wedge "

Thanks Dan.

I could have used a 1:35 scale cheese-section...

...but I don't have any; as yet.

:Crazy:

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I wouldn't fancy converting that lump to run on unleaded. Cheers Si.

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Imaging trying to shim the valves Michael. LOL


looks good Si, even better when painted. What's it going on or in Si?

Cheers Dan

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No shims in the stock configuration. You ground the mushroomed out end of the valve to the proper length. Far more fun. I've known times that guys would change out the motor, instead of doing a valve job. Those engines weren't known as valye burners--that title was awarded the the six cylinder Chevys. The Flat head Ford V8's would boil water very nicely though.

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Ah, now I understand. Si will run the V8 to boil the water to raise the steam to power his Shay.  Clever !!  Why did nobody else ever think of that ?.

Regards,              Michael

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" looks good Si, even better when painted. What's it going on or in Si? "

Hi Dan. :thumb:

Thanks, I like 'the look' of this funky crane too.
I reminds me of a kinda 'mobile crane' my friend Rob has in his yard.
Robs crane is perfect for lifting out motors from 'things'.

His crane is a very similar size to this one; when rescaled to 1:35.
It's on a large wheeled-dolly; which goes under the 'thing' with the motor...
...and BINGO ! a few hundred hand-cranks later a V8 magicaly pops out.
(if you've unscrewed the bolts first !)

The crane is going to be incorporated, somehow, into an enginehouse scene.
Progress has been a tad slow over the summer; slightly diverted on electrical & sound type stuff.
Should get more time to spend on M.M.M over the winter; when we're snowed-in & the electricity goes down as usual !

:us: :f: :!:



We 'might' even try & enter a painting-phase over the winter if possible.
I love sniffing Humbrol-enamel with all the windows closed & the heating ramped-up !!!

;)

Si.

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Si, In case the Humbrol fumes overcome your colour sense, some photos of a canal:rail crane to help you :


   











All photos by Salada.

Regards,        Michael

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I think Ratio makes/made a kit of one in OO. Jose.

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" I think Ratio makes/made a kit of one in OO "

Hi Jose.

Ratio do indeed have a very similar crane kit...
...and my beady lil' eyes are on it !

I think (Mmm ?) it might be an OK size in 1:35 to represent a fairly small version...
...might look good on a flat-car, or wharf ?

You can NEVER have enough cranes, in my opinion !!! :moose:

My kit-stash may well get boosted by 1 come Christmas time...
...please Santa.

Cheers.

Si.

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Just checked my Christmas-list !

The OO-scale model that looks similar to Michaels cool canal crane is ...

... Wills Kits SS51 Yard Crane.

Great photos Michael ! ... That some funky oxide !

Your 'economy scale-rule' works well.

Cheers.

Si.

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Hi Si, I thought the photos might help with your painting.

"You're never alone with a .... Rizla". So you spotted my measuring scale, often seen hiding somewhere in my photos. 1 Rizla = 3" or some stupid decimal point number in Napoleon's system.

Cheers (nearly pub time, Madame's rollers smell fairly hot),   Michael

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Great crane pics, Michael! Very interesting.

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'OO' :P 'OO'



Mmm...
Red & white packaging !

I seem to recall the overall size being quoted as 80mm ? ...
... that's 3 3/16" in non-Napolionic normality.

Which kinda means, from the crank to the jib ...
... is about 9 feet, if the kit is used for 1:35 scale.

About real for a small crane I rec. ?

:moose:

Si.

( if it's NOT a toy, WHAT is it ? ) ???




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Si, even in OO scale that looks rather small for a Yard Crane. If the illustration is correct the jib length is too short for the size of the base, gear wheels etc.

At 35:1, how about making it a track maintenance or small goods crane permanently mounted on a flat-car ? Such things did exist, I haven't got an appropriate photo though.

Cheers,         Michael

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Searching through the -
" Salada - Cranes I have Known & Photographed Album"
I found some "short jib" jobs a bit like your Wills' contraption - if it ain't a toy, it must be a contraption.












All photos by Salada, 1 & 2 were re-photographed from museum info boards.


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Hi Michael.

Love the 'white walls' on your crane pic.
Who says everything has to be rusted to death !? :pimp:
Def. the Caddy of cranes...
...& so wins the M.M.M 'Crane Of The Month' award, so say judges Wolfgang & Boris ! :) :bg:

Yeah ... the flat-car mounted idea, is kinda what I was thinking for the Wills 'OO' job.
Looking at the gearing...
...you might have to be Charles Atlas just to pull the skin off a rice-pudding !!!
Obviously a 'Ratio' problem !?

(_!_)

Might be about as much use to M.M.M as a chocolate fire-guard ! :f:
Haven't rushed to snap up one of these yet...
...the kit stash is big enough for the time being. :slow:

Cheers.

Si.

:moose:

P.S. played some train sound-recordings today...
...through an old '60s Marshall 4x12" bass-cabinet...

... AWESOME !!!

:Crazy:



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Does the "Crane of the Month Award" have any cash value ?    Cheers,  Michael

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Si. wrote: P.S. played some train sound-recordings today...
...through an old '60s Marshall 4x12" bass-cabinet...

... AWESOME !!!

Just think how much better the sound would be with a Peavey 4 x 12" + Horn & a 200 Watt Hartke valve hybrid driver.

Cheers,   Michael

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" Does the "Crane of the Month Award" have any cash value ? "

Hi Michael.

No.

- - - - - - -

I don't want to go on all winter, as usual, about rain, snow, Wellington-boots & power-cuts...
...as I'm feeling pretty good about the end of the summer !!!

As the BBC weather-guy anounced an unusual lack of cold & rain for November; with mild-weather for the 'sunny south' this week...
...I was almost wanting to see a non-stop assault of wet & wind whirling it's way toward Mysterious Moose Mountain on the 'blight'ey forecast-map !

Surely no ones going to find me 'stuff to do' during winter hibernation (modeling time !)...
...are they ?

:moose:



Back to the new throttle handset.

As you can see...
...the last pair of 'captive-nuts' I epoxyed on FELL OFF !!!

AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

So with a bit more cleaning of the placky...
...& knife-bladed ABS...
...we had another go at it !

Not much good trying to throw the M.M.M ol' clunky #1 spot Shay into reverse...
...& find the darn switch, disapears inside the 'lectronics, innit !

:moose:

Si.

(24 hour epoxy ... I'll let you know if we're sorted on, erm, Tuesday)


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" DAMN  :bang:   EPOXY-RESIN !!! "

Well, the 'captive-nuts' (Mmm) fell off, in the 2nd try as well  :f: ...
...& yes, it is quality epoxy, mixed properly, dried for an eternity, on very clean placky.

I have to say, I was pretty surprised by this :shocked: !

I was about to drill a pair of holes to fix the reversing-switch...
...& ruin the 'slick' look of the new M.M.M handset...
...when I thought *&%£?$<+!* !!!

;)



So I did try #3 !!! :!:

Don't ask me what the 'theory' behind this is...
...but I washed over the plastic with MEK till it was very wet & melted...
...left it to dry for ages...
...then did the epoxy again, as before.

It seems to be on this time...
...I think/hope.

:moose:

Si.

The handset moulding has a hint of 'metalicy' stuff in it...
...graphite finish, I think OKW call it...
...maybe something to do with the glue problems ?

I dunno, innit ! :dope:


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Si :

If your nuts don't hold (?) how about reversing the bolts on your rocker switch & passing them out through the back of your moon-buggy box ?. Run a nut up snug to the underside of the rear casing, pop the casing over the protruding threads then run another nut on from outside.

Or am I driving you nuts ?

No cash alternative ? - Please cancel my subscription to COTM.

Cheers,       Michael

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" If your nuts don't hold (?) how about reversing the bolts on your rocker switch & passing them out through the back of your moon-buggy box ? "

Hi Michael.

Thanks for your idea on holding my nuts ! :!:

A 'cunning plan' !!!

I hadn't thought of that.
It's good to know the top engineers at Chavez Junction are keeping an eye on the Heath Robinson lash-ups of the M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. cowboys.

" Or am I driving you nuts ? " L:

I don't think it's possible to drive the insane, nuts...
...you're just nudging me FURTHER off my rocker !

:Crazy:

- - - - - - -

After persistent anxiety-dreams about loose nuts & potential disaster at M.M.M ...
... some 'beefing up' of the situation was needed.
(if only to get some sleep)

MEK welded some styrene 'barbs' around the first lot of epoxy in the end.



More epoxy-resin to follow this.

This situation should be about as stickey, as when stickey the stick-insect got stuck to a stickey bun !

:moose:

Si.

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Just roughing up the plastic might have done the trick. Give the epoxy something to grab hold of.

Then again, might be a nutty idea.

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Shouldn't that be :

"...you're just nudging me further off my rocker ..SWITCH ! " ?

Regards,     Michael

PS: The Chief Engineer at Chavez actually studied under Mr H Robinson, as you will see when I get round to posting on progress there.

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" Please cancel my subscription to COTM "

Hi Michael.

I'm sorry to hear you wish to cancel your subscription to 'Crane Of The Month Club'.
As a festive gift for loyal-members; the December issue is a must, for crane nuts.

Our FREE handcrafted crane-cufflinks, made from genuine rusty ol' iron, come with high-tensile greasy chains & corroded presentation tin.

Guaranteed to ruin your best shirts & tear through boilersuit sleeves.
They make the perfect Christmas gift for crane fans.

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Mmm...

Well, she ain't  as pretty as Madame on Friday nite after the hair-curlers ! ...
... but Boris & Wolfgang ain't complaining.



The extra SOOPER-STICK mods. are done & dried.

Just as well too; as I heard the epoxy 'plink' when the switch was screwed in !!! :shocked:

Next up ... internal spaghetti. :P

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:old dude:  " That vintage build looks like a genuine Heath Robinson ! "



21st Century MKII version ^

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 " Might be a nutty idea."

Hi Hexagon Herbie.

That epoxy knocked me for six alright...
...I'm using hexagon-head rivets next time !



Thanks for the Ford V8 water boiling info as well.

Boris & Wolfgang finaly managed to get it onto this ol' barrel...
...if they can find the battery, looks like it's time for coffee !



The M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. acquired an ex-Pennsy switcher, for Wolfgang to tinker with.

It arrived at Mysterious Moose Mountain in a HUGE blue cardboard crate !

:pimp:  Pimp that Pennsy Wolfy baby !

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My '80s DIY throttle-handset was a bit of a LASH-UP...
...not bad though, for a spotty teen !
It did work realy well; just looked like a rats nest !

For sanity & reliability; M.M.M are looking to improve things on the 21st Century rebuild !

I found the original wiring-diagrams done for this...
...looked at them for AGES...
...& couldn't understand ANYTHING from them.

They currently reside in an Essex landfill !!!



Old redundant computer-cables, are a great source of flexible multiway wire.

I found this RS-232 serial-cable was perfect for the handset rewire.

I'm going to use multipin DIN connectors, as on the original...
...nothing wrong with the 9-pin D-connectors here though.



The chassis connectors are easy & cheap to get.

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All the problems with the epoxying on the previous page <<< ...
... are sorted & SOLID !

There are a lot of parts & wires to fit around the reversing-switch...
...it would be a DISASTER if it came loose once operating.



Thanks again to Hexagon Herbie :old dude: & Michael :cb: for ideas to keep me sane :Crazy: !!!

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Hi Si

Not been on here in ages, good progress.

There is this stuff you can get that you simply paint on to plastics like this that don't take anything, it then changes the chemistry of the plastic by binding with molecules without damaging it in any way. Then you can glue what ever you want to it.

Found this out at the ally pally engineering show last year after trying to find out how to re-glue Hornby brakes pads back onto the bogies after re-gauging to EM. Got lots of super glue from them much better than the norm.

Have to source them out for ya just encase, but hopefully herbs idea works long term and you won't need to apply this stuff.

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Though thinking about it you managed to weld the plastic together, so don't know if it would work with that type of plastic if you needed to.

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Found it

shop4glue

They call it a 'primer' that is to be applied before gluing for most type of greasy/slippery plastics.

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Hi Dan. :wave:

Yeah, I figured you were having a blast at the E.M stuff for a bit.
That trackwork you posted pics. of, looked ***** great stuff.

Nearly sent you a P.M about the Swanley show.
I bet you went & it was brilliant, right ?
I couldn't, AGAIN, sigh...
...next year FOR SURE though.
Any good U.S narrow gauge ?
( I like any country though really )

Thanks for the Super-Glue tip.
I'm actualy looking to get some decent Super-Glue at the moment.
I have been totaly put off using it for anything, for years...
...but it is darn useful, IF IT WORKS !

I always hoped the Loctite guy, on the T.V commercial...
...bouncing up & down with the repaired O-ring, on the parallel-bars...
...would FALL ON HIS BUTT ! ( never did though ).
&
What about the Solvite wallpaper-paste guy ?...
...overalls glued to an 8x4, suspended from a FLYING airplane !
Don't look up ! ... He might be about to drop through your roof ! ( never happened though ).

:f:

I've been thinking about getting some 3D-printed parts.
They are said to be made of flexible-Nylon...
...that's gotta be a real bitch to glue & paint, right ?
I dunno.

Nylon, Delrin, Polythene, Polypropylene, Teflon (ha ha)...
...any other offers for the F.B.I '10 Most Un-Wanted' plastics fly-bill ?

:us:

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Hi Si

I haven't actually done any thing other than the past week or so.

Slipped a disk in the lower part of my back during a visit to the meat man, put the bag in the passenger foot well, then f### what was that, walked round the car bent over backwards looking like I was tying up my shoe lassies whilst s####ing my self at the same time. Glad it was half seven in the morning (Sat)and not after ten, would have been very embarrassing. :P

Swanley was good but not much USA stuff.

EM gauge track: thank you, but haven't been up the club lately to do anything.

Lock tight super glue: Nothing comes out, then all of a sudden splat.... makes a mess, glues everything you don't want to stick together including your self apart from the thing your are gluing and then when dry it turns frosty white. 1 week later falls apart.

Solvite wallpaper past: Bet my snotty tissues sticks to the ceiling better. :bg:

I use super glue for nearly every thing these days, make production very fast and its the stuff from these guys that I use. You can buy load of tips cheaply that go on the bottles to make a neat job and they also do glues for all these types of plastics. As for as paint I'm not sure, cant help you there.

Oh yeah: Whilst at Swanley I joined the slim gauge circle and went to the Rugby meet the next day, was very good. The next meet is in may if you fancy a trip up there.

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I am still (re)considering whether to renew my COTM subscription.

What is the December issue Centrefold ?  A randy old Ruston or a cool young Komatsu ?

Good to see Dan is back (!!!) in town.

Pub cancelled tonight, both got a bit of gastric virus (either that or too many soldering fumes)

Cheers,          Michael

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" I am still (re)considering whether to renew my COTM subscription."

" What is the December issue Centrefold ?  A randy old Ruston or a cool young Komatsu ? "

Hi Michael.



'Crane Of The Month' December issue :- Vero & her '57 Chevy waiting for a tow-truck !

:shocked:

I think we could have a NEW publication you might be interested in.

' Small Prototype Riveted Plate Girder Turntable Gazette '

Readers are always welcome to send in photos C/O the M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. offices.

:!:

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"Just waiting for a tow truck".

"Yeah darling, whatever you say. Real strange how you break down just about there every night. Now get in the M.M.M.M.M. squad car !".

Strange you should mention the Turntable Magazine. A certain American 'gentleman' has suggested that is what Chavez needs. Those Americans just can't handle their trains tender first !. Who needs a T.T. ?
You don't get smoked up vision ahead nor cinders in your eyes - should be an 'Elf & Safety requirement to always run tender first (but you do have to beware bloody great lumps of flying coal !).

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My apologies Herb. I would never dream of insulting you by calling you a Gentleman !.

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M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co.



The connections & numbering from the main-board, to the throttle handset, were a bit confusing on my original '80s lash-up ! L:

So I did some CAD work ( Crayon Aided Design )
&
some CFA ( Correcting Fluid Application ) to fix the rough drawing.

That's a bit better. :2t:



Then made a new drawing ( de-confussing the wiring further ) to replace the original one, now in the Essex landfill !!!

( this goes in my DO NOT LOOSE THIS EVER ! folder )

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Hi Si,

You've pinched my CAD joke before I've even posted it !

Remember our previous comments about Peco having a Code 82 AND a Code 83 ?.

There IS a significant difference: the rail-head width of C. 83 is .030" but C.82 is .035". That + .005" makes quite a difference in appearance, the C.82 looks way heavier than the C.83 - more like U.K. 'O' Gauge very light industrial/vintage colliery stuff. 

The Chavez PW gang have now chewed their way through a pack of 6 x 1 yd Code 83 but having opened a pack of C. 82 tonight none of their special jigs/tools will fit 'cos they were made using a C. 83 sample !. So the PW's will probably head to a bar in town awaiting re-ordering some C.83. Grrrrrr !!.

So choose C.82 or C.83 - don't mix them unless you want to mix rail weights. The American On30 track manufacturers, Micro Engineering, use C.83 which looks more like the older D&RGW 40-45 lb rail. C.82 looks more like the 70 lb + stuff that was laid for the K's. Had I known I would have standardised on C.82.

Confused ?  ..... you soon will be (the original Soap).

Cheers,          Michael

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Hi Michael. :wave:

" You've pinched my CAD joke before I've even posted it ! " :f:

Oh dear, WHAT A CAD ! :P

" Remember our previous comments about Peco having a Code 82 AND a Code 83 ?. "

Yes I do !
I checked the PECO website, a while back, for general rail info...
...& found their site to be pretty useless generaly !!!

As an experiment for M.M.M enginehouse & T.T duties...
...I bought a yard of their HO code-83; to use either buried, or strip the rail from.

I had some code-70 & code-100 already...
...but they ( visualy ) seemed too small & too big.

Code-83 in 1:35 scale, works out at 2.86" rail height ( I think ! ).
lbs per yard = about £3.50p ( Tee Hee ! )

I wonder if Micro-Engineering code-83 & PECO are actualy the same profile ?? L:

I dunno what you're gonna do about turnout-operation ?
But I found some exellent mini slide-switches for changing frog polarity.
They look PERFECT for Caboose-Industries ground-throws & wire/tube method.
I guess fancy motors already have a switch; so not needed.



I'll put some info up about these switches...
...they look like a WINNER ! :thumb:

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Hi Si,

"£ per yard" - very droll, should confuse a few 'furriners' !.

Agreed, Peco website is rather uninformative.

Yes, ME Code 83 & Peco Code 83 profiles are exactly =, but not from the same die (there is a minute difference of no significance).

At 35:1 Code 83 gives a rail height of 2.905" (to 3 deci places !) but the rail-head would look very light IMO @ 35:1.
How about Code 82 for the MMMM RR ??! - same height as C.83 but a little chunkier looking.

You sure have to be daft, mad, very wealthy or a Heath Robinson lateral thinker to attempt proper looking U.S. NG from a U.K. postcode. Or just use ready-made Peco stuff off the shelf.

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Si,

See below: the centre rail is Code 83, the two outer rails are Code 82 - photographed from directly overhead. The side view shows the difference even more. The difference is greater to the eye than the camera suggests :






The high-tek Code 82 track gauge jig was made from this accurately made Code 82 master. I've superimposed the jig over the pencil plan drawn by my CAD system to demonsterate it's accuracy -  better than that other cheap electronic CAD stuff - & you can light a bonfire with it once finished with. Try warming your hands over some digi-lektrik 'puter 'programme'. 


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A while back, I got some Caboose Industries No.218 HO ground-throws, from Trainworld in N.Y.C.



I like the nice positive 'sprung' action & the simplicity of operation.
With a little bit of 'tarting up' & painting, they look pretty good to me as well.
My only reservation on these is...
...locating any scenic 'objects' within a hands width or so of them; is sure to lead to problems.
Mmm...

Anyway, I needed a frog-polarity changeover switch to test 'em out.

I have a ton of OEM electronic component books here...
...& checked out every slide-switch manufactured, this side of Pluto !

99% of these switches were totally unsuitable.
- Not high enough current rating.
- Wrong 'throw' distance.
- Too much friction, 'tough' to slide.
- Poor unsealed construction.
etc. etc.

In the end, I came up with pretty much only 1 option.
A switch which has been lurking in the  OEM parts books for years...
...& will probably continue to be produced for years as well ( nice to know ).

Made by APEM, it is available from CPC, Farnell & RS in the UK...
...& from Digikey, Newark & Mouser in the US.
( you might even find it on eBay; but overpriced )



The travel matches the 0.165" throw of the C.I levers perfectly.
It has a nice easy slide 'tactile' feel, with slight freedom of movement at either end.
It's well sealed.
Current handling is good.
20,000x mechanical life.
& 3 options of 'actuator', depending on your 'cunning plan'...
...I bought the 'standard top button' one, 1st in the pic.

Basicaly part of my cunning-plan...
...to sort out all the 'lecy-stuff at M.M.M, from the word GO ! ...
...& not have to think about it again.

Ta ta fer noo.

Si.

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Hi Michael.

Thanks for your rail info.
It caused me to stare blankly at a yard of PECO track, for well over an hour...
...& have further anxiety-dreams !!

:w:

I think your highly-inflammable track-gauge looks great !
I made some DIY brass roller-gauges for 9mm, in the last millenium...
...OK for billiard-table straight-track...
...but I think the Heath Robinson assorted measuring lash-ups approach, will be used at M.M.M.

:thumb:

- - - - - - -

The APEM slide-switch, perfect for Caboose Industries 0.165" travel ground-throws...
...& 2 more cute teeny-weeny switches, procured by Mysterious Moose Mountain sparkeys !



I thought the 2nd slide-switch could be great for locos with batteries...
...with a tool-box or sumptink, glued to the slider, for stealth ops.
It is a truly teeny-weeny switch !
High-current as well.

The mini micro-switch, with lever-actuator, is also pretty high-current...
...it might be good for frog-polarity change duties...
...but I had it in my sights for turntable indexing experiments.

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Hi Si,

So YOUR Peco Code Confusion Anxiety Syndrome was MY fault for demo-ing the C. 83 & C.82 side by side ?! (Paul Daniels: "You'll like this, but not a lot !").

Yup, we both have much to decide re: turnout operation/polarity change etc.

Have you any further info please on that side actuator lever switch (RHS in your above photo) ?. Such as required lever travel & operating force (not in those Napoleanometer NewtonPascal whatsits (NM's or whatever) - ozs per inch or foot will be fine.

ps: I recently bought a gas strut for an overhead locker door "Go for the big one" said Madame (she would) so the Postie duly delivered a 130 Nm strut which I can hardly compress in a 10" engineering vice !

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Apart from all the electrical work & rail wrangling at M.M.M recently ...
... we have been spending quite a bit of spare time doing what every model railroader wants to do most of all.

Assembling 500-part military model kits ...

... AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH !!!!

Oh well.
I've left the 20" rail-howitzers & main battle tanks to the 'big bang boys'...
... but one of the attractions of 1:35 scale to me ...
... is the pretty nice & really pretty cheap, more civilian oriented vehicle kits available.

Wolfgang has been building a new engine.
The fuel-economy wont be that great ...
... & the emissions will probably be AT LEAST 100x more than his V.W.
But molybdenum mining needs pulling power on the ground, as well as on rails.

:mex:

- - - - - - -

Hi Michael.

Info about the micro-switch you asked about to follow  :slow: ...

Cheers.

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No rush on the micro switch info Si. There is a LOT else to do first before deciding on which method of switch operation to use - discussion to follow sometime but in the meantime this ---

Your elektrickery expertise is far greater than mine I suspect.

Is it possible to slow down the operating speed of a bog-standard el Cheepo Peco type simple solenoid so that it doesn't go Bang ! & presumably knock hell out of the switch-rail stretcher bars ?.

Maybe some sort of DC pulsed band width modulation electrowhatsit effect ???
Or a high tek rubber band tied to one end of the moving solenoid thing ??

Meanwhile, I believe it is the season of Bah Humbug 'n all that.

Cheers,              Michael

Ps: you did ask me a few posts ago about the Chavez switch operation method - I haven't replied 'cos so far there ain't one !

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Those 1:35 scale stuff is really good and there's a lot out there... Don't get excited I'm not switching scales just saying.... lol :moose::bg:

Those us style switch stands, I thought they also done them with a small built in micro switch too..

Whilst at the Slime gauge meet all the modular layouts used point controls called blue point turnout controllers, they work and look like a tortoise point motor but they are a lot smaller and are manually controlled via push and pull rod. very simple and worked a treat was very impressed with them when I had a go.

though I do also like very cheap homebrewed push pull devices with a simple micro-switch.

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Hi Michael.

This is the info. on the subminiature micro-switch you asked about.
The one I bought to test out, is marked in red...
...I got the lowest operating force model.



The operating-lever in the photo is the 'short lever' ( I think ).
The lever shape of SW05202 is shown in my photo, on the previous page <<<
I thought that the light operating ( low-friction ) pressure, lever shape & easy mounting holes...
...could make this a good choice for a turntable indexing disc ( type thingamebob ).

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Thanks Si,

I presume "20gf" = 20 grammes force ??.  So about 3/4 oz ?

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Hi Dan.

The 'Slim Gauge Circle' meet, must have been great. :)
I used to be a member years ago...
...but eventualy found the travelling, to get there, was a bit much.
Top-Gun ! :Salute: when it comes to U.S narrow-gauge in the U.K though. :thumb:

- - - - - - -

I checked out the 'Blue Point' turnout controls you mentioned...
...I had not seen these before.
Interesting. :!:



Any idea where to get them from in Blightey ? L:

- - - - - - -

Also, I couldn't remember why I didn't get the Caboose Industries ground-throws, with the built in switch.
So I checked them out again as well.



Then I did remember.
Probably a good choise for staging-areas...
...but basicaly hard to 'disguise' as a 'real' ground-throw.
I thought a DIY switch addition, to the un-switched model, could be more discreet.

- - - - - - -

I also checked out the 'Cobalt-Omega' slow-motion job.
Gaugemaster had sent some bumpf about them to me, with my Wills stuff.



Mmm ... bout 12-Quid a pop here...
...I'm not sure of the price in Euros. :dope:

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Hi Si

Try this link... NGtrains.com

you only need the blue units the rest of the stuff Id get else where.

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" Your elektrickery expertise is far greater than mine I suspect.
Is it possible to slow down the operating speed of a bog-standard el Cheepo Peco type simple solenoid so that it doesn't go Bang ! & presumably knock hell out of the switch-rail stretcher bars ?.
Maybe some sort of DC pulsed band width modulation electrowhatsit effect
Or a high tek rubber band tied to one end of the moving solenoid thing ?? "

Hi Michael. :cb:

I had PECO solenoids on a previous layout.

After they had totaly burned-out all the push-button switches on my control-panel...
...I installed brass-studs, for 'electric pen' type operation.
You needed to wear welding-gauntlets though...
...as the sparks coming outta the front of the control-panel, looked like Guy Fawkes nite !

I tried lessening the BANG ! as they threw, by fitting some neoprene-foam between the throw-rod & bent-steel chassis of the coils.
It was a marginal improvement.
But you still needed to wear an industrial polycarbonate-visor, for elf & safety...
...to stop the flying ballast-chippings, constantly loosened by the seismic shockwave, from heading eyeward !!
( this of course didn't prevent said 'loose-chippings' from jamming in the point-blades & loco mechs.)

I don't know of any 'electrical fix' for making a 'slow throw' solenoid...
...as far as I can figure; one does not exist.



Seep PM-1 turnout-solenoid (with polarity-switch)

This is about the best of the bunch, of the 'simple' solenoids I've seen.
There is a kinda locking-spring, I seem to recall, that the PECO doesn't have...
...which slightly lessens the BANG !
(PECO turnouts have a built-in spring)
It also has a built-in polarity-switch, that the PECO doesn't have.
The longer than PECO throw-rod, as standard, might give some extra damping as well.

The 'old skool' H&M solenoids were quite good.
Operating a rotating-crank, not a simple throw-rod (omega-link recommended).
They had a built-in polarity-switch as well.
About 4x the bulk though...
...& a significantly higher price.

:moose:

Cheers.

Si.

P.S.  Thanks Dan, for reminding me about ngtrains.com
I checked out the 'Blue Points' there...
...& am going to order some San Juan 'Evolution' couplers from them on Monday, to try out for M.M.M.

Good news on the EUROS spent a week ago...
...order despatched by U.P.S on Friday.
I thought I was going to have to wait until January to get this.
But looks like it'll be at M.M.M...
...in time for CHRISTMAS !!

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Hi Si

I'm using Tamvalley controllers from Coastal DCC uk. check them out can be used with toggle switches or DCC, really good stuff. Price good too

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Hi Si, Happy Sunday !.

I know absolutely nothing about operating model rail turnouts, nor any previous experience thereof, so many  Thanks for your reply - lots of useful info there.

I think you have successfully talked me out of using "simple" solenoids EXCEPT for 1 final question :

- does the "throw rod" simply move left-right or does it ROTATE via a cam ??

I am aiming for the minimal switch rail throw that is compatible with Bachmann wheel "standards" - I really dislike model turnouts at Exhibitions that gape open so wide you could get the Queen Mary through.

I've NO idea how Chavez will operate, my current thinking is some simple mechanical system such as 'wire+tube' or even 'fishing line + spring return'. But the non-scenic turnouts along the far wall (Si Junction !) will have to have some sort of power operation.

Not only are these computerish type slow motion gadgets very expensive but it seems you ALSO have to purchase some sort of expensive 'control box' thingies to operate them AND THEN YOU HAVE TO "PROGRAMME" THEM - sounds like it's way beyond my Pay Grade !. I'm more of a 'string & chewing gum' engineer.

My thanks also to Daniel for your additional info on switch 'machines'.

Regards,     Michael





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All my switches (I don't have turnouts) are worked by one of three methods--

Auto ''choke control'' -works up to 8' away, and and can be curved easily.

Slide switch--similar to what Si has shown-- hole through black knob, from there wire in tube--works around corners just like above if you use small flexible plastic tube.

Caboose Hobbies ground throws.

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Howdy Si...long time away for me. I agree with Herbert. If your switches ( real name for " turnouts") are far away and you just HAVE to have some kind of electrical thingamabob to throw the rails/points ( invitation for heartaches) then go for it. But if you want simplicity and reliability then choke cables, knob & rod, or Caboose Industries ground throws are " the way". My layout has Caboose throws exclusively and I never worry about any wiring shenanigans..in fact, I don't worry about wiring anyway due to the fact that I practice the " black art" of wirelessness and just have fun. Just realize that in 35/32 scale there is plenty of room in even tiny locos for board & battery. Life is soooo much simpler and you can devote time to modeling rather than studying schematics and searching through magazines for the "correct" product.
Well, that's my story and I am sticking to it...
Have fun and run a train, life is too damn short for thinking!

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Herb : Is there a difference 'tween your "Choke Control" and "Wire & Tube"  ??

Could you please explain the difference, if any.  Aren't they the same system ?.

- apologies to Si for my temporary intrusion under the MMMMMMM label ! - but I need to know the answer !.

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Michael..they pretty much are the same. I have used K&S brass tubing with music wire inside as the rod assembly. The knob is just whatever you want. In my Gila Tram thread in the mini layout forum here, I describe and show this method. Back when I had stub switches and DC power, the rod was attached to the moving rails and then was controlled with a dpdt switch for power routing. Easier to build than describe. Hope this answers the question.

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Thank you Mr Woodie !

I think I saw that in your Gila Tram - the "kinky" wire & tube ?.

Christmas & Seasonal Greetings 'n All That,         Michael

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Yeah, a  ''Z"" bend in the music (aprox .020'' dia)  wire is prudent in what ever remote system is used.

Choke control--A commercial product, Made for replacement on autos to control carburetor throttles and chokes. You do remember carburetors, I hope. Heavy wound wire outer, straight wire inner. One end has means to fasten to dash board (fascia) on the outer, and knob on inner. Other end can be shortened if necessary. inner end termination to points should be with Z bent piano wire or else some one will rip the whole switch apart.

The same type switches that Si (remember him?) found, in this case partially buried in the Homasote layout top. .025'' wire through cross hole drilled in ''knob'', goes into tube--in this case brass-- to guide, and prevent buckling of wire. Contacts in slide switch can be utilized,I don't have a need for this. I now use the flexible plastic tube that is used for--along with many other things--medical catheters. A roll of this stuff followed me home from my final employment--developing medical devices. The things that we proposed to stick in your body--------heh,! heh! (rubs hands gleefully)

The Evil Dr Herb 

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Surely that little contraption didn't haul that mountain of track panels AND 2 cactii ?

Probably fewer lbs total tractive effort than the weight of an out of steam 'K' per axle !

Is that track the Mystery Delivery ??

Cheers,  Michael

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" Is that track the Mystery Delivery ?? "  L:

Hi Michael.

No it isn't THE mystery delivery.
The tasty items I spent the Es on (sorry, I havn't got the curvy E with the line through it symbol)...
...arrived from Shapeways 3D-printers in Holland, yesterday ... VERY NICE !
Photos to follow.  :bg:

- - - - - - -

The mysterious track delivery is the result of a number of mysterious circumstances, including...
A visit to my friend Patty-pumpkin, in Hackney.
His Mrs. collection of clockwork British Royal Family models.
&
Walters (his father in law) Christmas gift, of a rather spiffy Brit.-Bachmann set !



M.M.M has been in need of a 'test-track' for a while now.
I have some old Tri-ang mechs. that need checking out.
My Porter & Shay need running-in.
As does a pretty nice Athern switcher mech. I have.

I've been looking on eBay for quite a long time, searching for 'OO oval'...
...surprisingly, not much at a decent price has cropped up.
Also I discovered that most sets seem to come with the widest 3rd-radius curves...
...I figured after looking at the geometry, I wanted the tightest 1st-radius curves.

Anyhow, finally the other day, I saw a guy who had TONS of brand-new Hornby R605 curves for sale, at my kinda 'pocket money prices' !
So I ended up buying 16 of them, enough for 2 full circles, at 12-quid inc. P&P !
Exellent deal, for the budget consious M.M.M directors.

In fact, the M.M.M test-track was at least part inspired, by the  London Transport 'Midnight Metropolitan' set.
Of course, when I saw this at Pattys place, I had to get it out & set it up right away !
Great models actualy.
Runs like a dream, straight outta the box; nice controller & smooth slow running.

I don't recall the Royal Family ever having been on a state-visit to Hackney in East London.
So we created our own Royal Rail Tour in miniature !!



Lots of fun for all the family !

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"Does that horrid little chap in the green hat-thing have to stand so close to one ?"

"One could get Hacked Orff in Hackney if he moves any closer. Do tell heem to go away Charles ! "

"Why is that Greasy Greek that one married never around when one wants him ? "

Merriment & Mince Pies at the MMMMMMMMMMM construction site ?

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I got the wiring finished inside the new momentum-throttle handset.
&
Had a look in my (walk-in) scrap-box (shed) for an enclosure to put the throttle transformer etc. in.
Came up with a real nice '30s Bakelite lecy-box; just the job for the low-tech M.M.M line !

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Surely the work of a true Master of Electrickery ...& complete with old Biro inner tube insulation.

Season'sGreetings Si,          Regards,          Michael

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Wow, that's neat looking and haven't a clue how the thing works... Shame the back cover isn't transparent.

P.S... will be expecting a YouTube vid of this device working on your circular test track with the porter over the Christmas period. lol

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Cheers Dan

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Nice to see you back on the block !
Those 'Putin tablets are a lil' hard to get down.
Guess yer got a keyboard 'Pooter now.

You convinced me a good while ago, that those C.I ground-throws are the MOTHER LODE...
...so I got some !

The M.M.M Directors are not as convinced about 'wireless' R.C.
I did consider it though.

Having added up, the...
Battery packs
(& spare battery packs)
A.C battery charger
A.C leads
Receivers
Antennas
Loco re-wiring
+
Transmitters
Their battery packs
(& spare battery packs)
A.C battery charger
A.C leads
Antenna
etc.

I figured this ' WIRELESS ' approach...
...reads like a government-policy ! ;)

I'm gonna plonk my loco on the track & stick 2 wires on it !

I'm tellin the ol' story just like it is here at M.M.M.
Cos I make 'lecy stuff all day...
...when it comes to M.M.M, I don't wanna see a single DAMN WIRE ... EVER !
(which is why I'm nailing it now)
Model making is my safe-haven from crazy-copper...
...gimme a 500-part 1:35 kit, an I'm chilled !!!

B.T.W
I am enjoying the 'new' scale.
Having done N to G...
...more recently 1/4" to 1/2"
Finding the 'inbetween' of 1:35 is great for me; a new scale FOR LIFE, no kiddin'.
Thanks Woodie, for 'Putin me on to 1:35n2...
...cos I nearly made the mistake (for me, anyways) of adopting 1:32n3 (wouldn't a worked out).

Adious for now Amigo !

:mex:

Si.

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All those green plasticy Christmas decorations, are damn hard to assemble !
Perhaps it's cos I don't read Chinese that good (at all !).

So I thought I'd take a break, & assemble these miniature CACTUS !



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" complete with old Biro inner tube insulation "

Hi Michael.

It isn't in fact ... But GREAT IDEA ! :!:

I confess to 'hoarding' styrene pen-bodies !
But have always binned the ink bit.
Good tip...
...I can start a new hoard of those in 2016 !

- - - - - - -

I like the new placi-cacti ! :thumb:

I assembled some of them with thick-cardboard jammed between the parts.
It avoided a rather 'flat' 2D look...
...& 'bushed' them up a bit.



:pimp:



The styrene parts took some serious MEKing !
Quite hard to melt.
So once I had them how I wanted...
...MEKed 'em & let them set, firmly clipped for 24HR.

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This is the kit I have used for the cactus models...

...could be OK in quite a few different scales.

:cb:



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:glad: " HAPPY NEW YEAR " :glad: from Boris & Wolfgang !

- - - - - - -

Apart from growing cacti over Christmas; have been working on the throttle P.S.U as well.

Having found the nice Bakelite-box, it was clear my DIY circuit-board wasn't going to fit inside it, without some mods.



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Si :

...& a Happy New Year to you !

I find the 'empty ink bit' way more useful than the outer styrene body --- or am I missing something ?.

Seeing your latest techno-gizmo confirms that you are indeed a Master of Electrickery 'cos us amateurs just count/label things 1,2,3,4,5 & 6 etc whereas a TRUE Master knows the Magic Rune .. 3,7,5,2,9,6 etc. Way above my Pay Grade !.

Any progress on the MMMMMM track plan ???

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Howdy Si...do you have the pegasus cactus part number? I can't find it anywhere and would love to spend all my social security on boxes of it! Keep up the great work...

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Hi Si

Those Cactus plant kits are great, how did you stumble across them?

Cheers Dan

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" Howdy Si...do you have the pegasus cactus part number? I can't find it anywhere and would love to spend all my social security on boxes of it! Keep up the great work..."

Howdy Woodie :cb:

I got a couple of better pics. of the Pegasus Hobbies boxes.

Pegasus Hobbies #6507 ... 'Cactus #1' ... 18x cacti 1/2" - 2" tall.

Pegasus Hobbies #6508 ... 'Cactus #2' ... 60x cacti 5/16" - 1 1/4" tall.

The ones I have been making are from set #1.

The ones in set #2 are pretty small, but could still be good in 1:35...
...I'll probably get a set #2 as well, to play around with.

I have a couple of extra sprue-photos as well...
...they need uploading from my dumb-phone, will put 'em up a bit later today.

:mex: Adious for now greengo !

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:slow: " Mmm ... looks TASTY ! "


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:mex: " Lay off my Tequila crop yer 'lil critter ... Or yer gonna be slow-movin' TARGET PRACTICE ! "


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To add to the Pegasus kits available if you might be looking for Palm trees.
6509 Banana Trees X15 1&1/2" to 2&1/2"
6501 Palm Trees A X3 8&1/2"
6502 Palm Trees B X3 7&3/4"

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Hi Ken.

Thanks for info.
Those palm trees could be great for my 1:32 Miami hotel project.

As for the bananas...
...the Mysterious Moose Mountain miners are totaly bananas already...
...& Woodies went loco years ago !

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

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" Those Cactus plant kits are great, how did you stumble across them? "

Hi Dan. :wave:

I have to say I spent AGES searching for cactus models !

Because the Pegasus Hobbies kits don't say 'model' or have a scale indicated...
...my WWW searches didn't pick them up easily.

I got stuff like, grow yer own cactus packs & novelty cactus boxer-shorts (OUCH!) etc.

Pegasus Hobbies seem to mostly specialize in 1:72 stuff, for 28mm-figure wargaming.
They have some funky California gold-miners in 1:72...
...their plant-kits are obviously 'multi-scale'...
...the cacti being 'babys' in 1:35.

I have since then, also found some other cactus kits; but not bought any as yet.

- - - - - - -

Hi again Woodie. :cb:

I promised some more 'sprue shots' of Pegasus cactus #1 & #2.
They might be useful as an idea of the size of cacti you get.
I know you had some nice big ones near your bridge on Mogollon...
...so I guess you're after some lil'ns as well.

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Cactus #1 sprue, on an A5 size cutting-mat.



More coming... :slow: :slow: :slow:


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... :slow: ... LOADING ... :slow: ... LOADING ... :slow: ...

There are 2 of the above^ sprues per box.

Here are a couple of close-ups of Cactus #1 sprues.





Just a thought ... 'Squadron' might have these, if they do 28mm-figure wargame stuff.

I've seen them on U.S eBay as well.

More coming... :slow: :slow: :slow:

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... :slow: ... LOADING ... :slow: ... LOADING ... :slow: ...

I don't have a Cactus #2 kit (yet!?)...
...but here's a pic. of the sprue from evilBay !

Again, 2 sprues per box ... total x60 SMALL cacti.



:mex: " Adios grigos ! "

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Si: prickly hi-jack :

For cactii in a railroad context :






Photo by Salada on location (in Europe would you believe ?).

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Do they glow in the dark... still inside the sealed box?. Jose.

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I couldn't tell you Jose.

If the box were still sealed...
...it could contain an Austrian physicists cat !!

( but probably doesn't )

Si.

Or even a :moose: ?

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" Do they glow in the dark ? "

Hi Jose.

My grandmother says " GREAT IDEA ! "
She's going to try them out on her Roswell N.M. diorama.

She just replaced the rock-cake scenery...
...with some spare ingredients from her gingerbread-man bake.

I think her Roswell diorama could be a prize winner at the local W.I...
...with glow in the dark cacti.



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Si. wrote:

If the box were still sealed...
...it could contain an Austrian physicists cat !!

 


Evening Si :   But is the cat or isn't it ?

Regards,      Michael

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" prickly hi-jack "

Hi Michael.

Thanks very much for your 'euro-cacti' photo !
I think they'd make good seat-covers in Brussels.

All this 'hi-jack this, hi-jack that' tosh...
...load of ol' trash, if you ask me.
I think it's great that people post photos, if they want to...
...the more, the better !
No point in all this hi-jack garbage...
...if people wanna comment & contribute their thoughts...
...this is what it's all about to me.

little sense in putting posters off with P.C politeness.
( no photos of the Misses bone-china egg-cup collection though please)

I do like cacti I have to say.
Here's a photo of 'Audrey', in my lounge !



- - - - - - -

As well as placky-cacti...
...I have been working on Januarys 'Crane Of The Month' !

This piece of funky-junk is another 4mm OO-scale Brit-kit...
...upscaled to 1:35, it makes a perfect small-prototype crane for M.M.M.



Details & construction photos ... to follow ...

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What a beautiful Audrey !. 

Is she self-fertilising or does she need a hand-job ? (I mean with a camel hair brush or similar !) ?

Damn !!  I've also got a Salada Original photo of that type of crane but its a print which could take to Eternity to find.

Si, I'm not sure you have the chain wound correctly. On the similar crane that I saw the chain was an endless chain that you just pulled round & round on the larger pulley wheel, which then drove the smaller diameter drum of the hook hoist chain, both mounted on the same shaft.

So what's in Feb's C.O.T.M. ?

Regards,         Michael

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.David ... R.I.P

We will still listen .....................................

_ _ _ _ _ _ _

Hi Michael.

That the 'pack shot'...
...M.M.M flipantography ... to follow.

The intention is to have her on a 14 - 16 ft work-car ! ... Mmm

LOADING ..........................

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"Miami Hotel Project" ?????

Please tell !   Tasteful Art Deco I hope.  With added cacti in the foyer ??

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How would MMMMMM sleepers a scale 6.9" wide suit you ?.

I think I've found a supply of PCB strip 5 mm wide (=6.9" @ 35:1) - but only 1/16" thick.
Listed but not sure if actually in stock.

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Hi Michael.

" Miami Hotel Project ?????  Please tell !   Tasteful Art Deco I hope."

Of course ! ... Well, my version of 'tasteful Art Deco' anyway.
It's a new building for the 1:32 slotcar empire.
Quite a mammoth undertaking.
My shrink said I should take a break & do railroading till the OCD is a bit better !

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" I'm not sure you have the chain wound correctly. On the similar crane that I saw the chain was an endless chain that you just pulled round & round on the larger pulley wheel, which then drove the smaller diameter drum of the hook hoist chain, both mounted on the same shaft."

Yeah ... I hadn't actualy noticed that, until you pointed it out.
ANOTHER craptastic 'pack shot' by Ratio Plastic Models (kinda nice kit though).
Don't worry, the M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. chains will be installed CORRECTLY !

The 'pack shot' by Ratio of my last crane build...
...had all the cross-brace parts from the kit OMITTED from the build in their photo !!
With a paintjob even worse than I'll even manage & a background about as inspiring as an overcast day on a rubbish-tip...
...PECOs attempt at cornering the market in GWR branchline accesories, could be down on sales ! (very nice kit though).



Unfortunate 'chain droop' in evidence also...
...& the hook seems to disapear into the green-blob 'growing' on the busted van !!
HOLY MARKETING MISHAP  Dr. Beeching !

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Thanks for the 5mm ties info.
I have got my beady lil' eyes on some 5mm x 1.6mm PCB strip...
...from 'Marcway' in Sheffield.
I think 5mm could be about right as well.
Just not got it yet though.

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I haven't been able to make the handle for the bucket ... I have MCBs :f:

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<<< c o n t i n u e d . . .



Squared-paper grid is 5mm. :thumb:

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Hi Si,

Seems like the new 20 Metricated Pennies unit of measurement is catching on !.

Those crane parts look to be a fairly decent size.

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" Seems like the new 20 Metricated Pennies unit of measurement is catching on !."

You could be right Michael !
A 'wonky' 7-sided 4-bob coin ... well I never !

I might have to go 'old-school' at M.M.M ...
... the old imperial 12-sided 'thrupennybit' was Top-Gun for '60s Airfix bi-planes !!
Danish cash, with the hole in the middle ...
... is quite good for jobs with raised NBW-details !

I don't find Euros that useful though ...
... too small & fiddley, with not enough weight.
Fiddle-de dee !!

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" Those crane parts look to be a fairly decent size."



(please note, metricated grid just DOUBLED to 10mm)

Seems ENORMOUS to me , in 4mm scale.
Could be good in 1/4".
In 1:35, pretty compact ...
... just the job for the M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. 'Dept.of Works' !

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I was very pleased to see Dave the postman the other day...
...he brought me a nice box of 3D-printed parts from 'Shapeways' :bg:

Designed by Freerails member 'Teebee'...
...Toms 1:35n2 'Gilpin Tram' trucks are FANTASTIC ! :P

I cut the timbers for 4 underframes at the weekend...
...a 14ft, a couple of 16ft & 1 not yet trimmed to length.

Yer never know, I might have some hardware with 'flanges' pretty soon...
...I think I need a break from 500-part bulldozer kits !

300-parts for a pair of caterpillar-tracks :Crazy: NUTS !



FUNKY JUNQUE ! :pimp:

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The Colorado & Southern rolling-stock drawings from 1908, document the dimensions of the tiny 2-footer pretty well.



Typical car-lengths were 14' & 16' ... The Gilpin Tram had a few longer cars as well, I like the shorties !

:P

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Si-those trucks are great...Tom does excellent work. If you want the REAL info on Gilpin Tramway, contact Keith Pashina here or just check out his GT thread. Yep, the ore cars were very tiny but could haul about 10 tons. Are you considering modeling the GT in 1:35? You must be a real glutton for punishment! BTW-the On30 Bachmann Shay can make a fine model of #1 GILPIN with a new boiler, cab, & tank. The others need 3 cylinders but they can be done with a bit o' work. Now, get after it!

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After 20 years, here's what #1 looked like when she came to Silver City.

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" Are you considering modeling the GT in 1:35? You must be a real glutton for punishment! "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Tom does have a few goodies on Shapeways for sure...
...cool parts for 1:48ers as well; so check out 'Tebee' in 1/4" also.

I've been following Keiths Gilpin thread since he started it ... AWESOME !
One thing I hadn't quite realised before; was just HOW MANY mines were located in such a small area !
Some so close together, you could string a washing-line between them & hang yer laundry out !
Also mines right 'in the centre of town', not just up in the hills !

Keiths thread pointed me back as well, to a particular prototype mine, I have known & loved for years...
...I just hadn't been aware of what & where it was.
If I told you Woodie, it's a real cutey of a gold-mine...
...& I've seen more models of it over the years than I can remember...
...I'll bet you can guess the one I'm talking about ! ??

Does the world need yet another model of it ?...
...I think it might !!

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Since I'm just starting out in 1:35n2, the C&S drawings of the Gilpin Tram rolling-stock have been very useful to get a sense of 'scale' for any small 2ft car builds.

I have re-drawn the Gilpin-caboose from the C&S folio in 1:35n2.
This was good to see 'life-size' before cutting my underframe timbers.
It would be nice to make some Gilpin inspired rolling-stock for Mysterious Moose Mountain.



( The small grid-squares are 1/10" in this photo )

As you can see Toms 3D-printed Gilpin truck-frames fit just right !

On the left is a Kadee O-scale coupler.
On the right is a Kadee On3 coupler.

The length of the Gilpin-caboose underframe is 14ft ... 122mm in 1:35 scale.

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I started to glue frame timbers together last night for a 16ft heavy-duty flat-car...
...pix. soon !

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" If you want the REAL info on Gilpin Tramway "

You're right Woodie, avoiding all the 'typos' etc. from the magazine & book publishers aint easy.
It don't get any more REAL than from the horses mouth !

Here's the 100 year old vintage Colorado & Southern drawing, I made my 1:35n2 one from. :old dude:



No CAD, floppy-disks, printers-errors, iPads, brown-outs & all that jazz !

Just a lil' 'ol C&S guy, with a pencil & paper !!

Cool :cool: brother...
...or as they tell yer in California ' Acurate Information For Fine Model Building ' ;)

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Si. wrote: Here's the 100 year old vintage Colorado & Southern drawing, I made my 1:35n2 one from. Hey, thanks, saved that in to the ideas for On30 cabooses folder.

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ooow, that looks interesting Si

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Cheers Dan

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Looks good Si...but how about those "modern" knuckle couplers? Surely Lincoln Penn couplers would be nice... Those trucks do look great, I have a pair in 1:48 and may get some in 1:35 but my railroad used archbars, I wish they used the GT type.

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" Looks good Si...but how about those "modern" knuckle couplers? Surely Lincoln Penn couplers would be nice... "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Ar ...  the ol' double Lincoln Penn.



Well ... if Mysterious Moose Mountain was in the 19th-century ... they for sure, would be a 'must have'. :old dude:

Those Federal railroad-inspectors back in Washington, took a serious disliking to that kinda 'funky iron' during the early 20th-century ! :f::f::f::f::f:

I figure by the late '30s ... Most of 'em would have been melted down into Chevy-blocks ! :shocked:

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" Those trucks do look great, I have a pair in 1:48 and may get some in 1:35 but my railroad used archbars, I wish they used the GT type. "

Don't worry Woodie, you're not missing out...
...they are missing the 11/16" axle-box side rivets...
...I'm searching for something with better detail at the moment. ;)

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Howdy Si...L&P's were used on private operations well into the 20th century. The Monson used them till closing in 1943(?) and there were L&Ps on the West Side, the knuckles had slots and holes to couple to them. One thing, the old couplers won't come uncoupled like sometimes happens with modern devices. Hmmmm...

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Si. wrote:
...they are missing the 11/16" axle-box side rivets...
...I'm searching for something with better detail at the moment. ;)
 
Bad news -  another rivet counter on FR - some of us come here for a bit of peace !.
 
Very droll Mr Si - the "double Lincoln" diorama - I like it !

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Funny how ''link and pin'' became ''Lincoln pin'' without even campaigning.

And Si--when are we going to see some of your previous 1/24 (or whatever) modeling?

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Hey Si...I tried SQUADRON for the CAT kit & they didn't have it, or carry Mirror Models either. BUT, something you might consider...PEGASUS has 1:32 kits for...ready?...TERMINATOR metal skeleton kits. 5 in the box! Might make some fine crewmen who wouldn't take breaks, get sick, or kill anybody (if they were programmed right!).

Ahl be Bach...

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" Ahl be Bach... "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

That's what I'm worried about !! :w:

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Don't tell everyone OK ... Pretty hush-hush.

M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. did actualy order some Lincoln-Penns from P.C.& F. a while back.

Our car-shop guy Hank Hatchet, fixed 'em up on the Company Porter.



You wouldn't believe it...

...that very morning, totaly out of the blue......................................


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....................... THE DAMN FEDERAL RAILROAD INSPECTORS TURNED UP !! :f: :f:



" Good morning ... We're Mr. Tough & Mr. Bastard from Washington "

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A couple of interesting items from my technical-drawing archive.

The 1888 Car Builders Dictionary.








:old dude: " Cast-iron just aint what it used to be sonny ! "

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" Si--when are we going to see some of your previous 1/24 (or whatever) modeling? "

Hi Herb.

A very few pix. are scattered around Freerails.
My previous model making is all from the 'pre-digital' era.

I sadly binned a ton of stuff a few years back...
...& can now count what I have left with 1 hand.

S.R.& R.L. Flanger 1:48 ( on 3ft trucks ... DOH! ).
A.T.& S.F. Lemont Depot in N-scale
&
Three W.S.L.Co. cars in 1:24

I had thought about trying to do some decent photos outside last summer...
...but with guests for 2-months, I seemed to get very little done.

The 1:24 cars realy need a bit of work on them before pix.
I've kinda moved on a bit from the last Millenniums models...
...I lost interest in them for one reason or another.

If I get round to doing some pix. of course Freerails will be first to suffer them !

I'm trying hard to get obsessed with the new 1:35n2 stuff at the moment...
...with the help from Freerails ... I THINK IT'S WORKING !!

The whole 1:32 Slotcar saga, is of course another thing.
I had been wondering about putting up my 1:32 Miami South-Beach hotel build !
( be careful what you ask for !! )

All the best.

Don't let Gromit eat ALL the ceeeeeeegars !

Cheers.

Si.

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Hi Kitbash.

I'm pleased you like the C&S Gilpin Tram caboose drawing.
I had a look at your train/car pix.
Looks like that lil' peach of a caboose would fit right in there !

I don't know if you're aware it's available as a 1:48 kit.
It's made by a British firm called 'Chivers Finelines'...
...I'm sure it's available in the U.S no doubt.
They also do some other exellent looking 14ft & 16ft 'shortie' type car kits...
...for pretty reasonable $$$ £££.
Check 'em out !

Here's a photo of the Chivers caboose kit made by Dan (Shoulders, On30 Forum).
Nice work Dan, looks great !



Looks like the 'Inter City Firm' have added their own branding !
Those West Ham I.C.F boys just can't leave their rattle-cans at home !

:cool:

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The moose IS ON THE LOOSE !



Wolfgang dusts off his toolbox & gets to work on a 16ft heavy-duty flatcar.

The railroad needs to carry Caterpillar tractors on a regular basis !

Wolfie gets the new RP25 wheelsets fitted OK to the 3D-printed trucks & has a coffee break.

" IT'S BEHIND YOU !! "  :shocked:

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The general dimensions for the heavy-duty flatcar build have come from studying the vintage Colorado & Southern drawings of The Gilpin Tram rolling stock.

It seems that the Gilpin Tram had flatcars ranging from 16ft to 20ft long & of several different widths.

Here's their 20ft long 5ft wide #4 flatcar with truss-rods.



As with the Caboose from the C&S info which I redrew in 1:35 scale, Toms 3D-printed trucks from Shapeways match up to the drawing nicely.

The flatcar I am making is a 16ft long 6ft wide one with truss-rods.
The Gilpin Tram in fact didn't have that particular combination, of a wide 16ft flatcar with truss-rods, but they could have !

The C&S drawings have been useful to me in seeing the general car dimensions used on this 2ft gauge prototype.

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Back to the saw bench !

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For previous car underframes I have made in 1:48 & 1:24 scales, I have drawn the underframe out full-size on squared-paper...
...then layed a piece of clear-polythene-bag over the top, which white-glue doesn't stick to...
...& then with this template on some soft-board, using dressmakers-pins, set the timbers in place for glueing up straight.
(bit like spiking rail, kinda) :brill:




This time around I decided to only glue the 2 outer frame timbers first...
...& then fill in the centre pieces later.

The drawing out & jig-making process was avoided, being a much simpler job to get right without it all going out of alignment.

Her Majestys Royal-Mail EXTRA STRONG rubber-bands, are M.M.M.s new 'funky backwoods' method ! :shocked:

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Here's the Colorado & Southern drawing of The Gilpin Trams 16ft flatcars.



Much narrower this one, at only 3'8" & they've shown a thinner decking than on the larger flatcar.

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Wonder what they planned to carry on it that such a narrow deck was used - something heavy where center of gravity was an issue? Tight clearances, maybe end and center overhang on tight curves?

In discussion around narrow gauge, and minimum gauge, fora, it has been said that measurements of prototypes give example that car widths up to 3x the gauge were workable.

It is of course not odd that cars would be narrower than the maximum, but I think that's the narrowest car I've seen on 2ft gauge.

And now my mind says, 44in by 16ft would make a nice layout in HO or On30. :)

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" Tight clearances, maybe end and center overhang on tight curves? "

Hi Forrest.

I believe I'm right in saying that The Gilpin Tram had a curve as tight as 70ft !
About 18" radius in On30 !
So, who says model railroad curves are 'unrealistic' !!
As it happens, when it comes to making track, I figure on using an 18" radius for M.M.M.

I think the prototype Gilpin may well have considered 'overhang' to be a real 1:1 issue for them.
Their earliest ore-cars were 4ft wide.
The later ones grew to being made 5ft wide.
The wider phase 2 & 3 ore-cars, were actualy built with curved-ends !

If you look closely at the C&S made Gilpin caboose-drawing a couple of pages back, you can just see that the draughtsman has indicated a curved end on that car as well !

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" It has been said that measurements of prototypes give example that car widths up to 3x the gauge were workable."

Yes, I think you're right.
The widest Gilpin revenue-cars were 5ft, the caboose comes in the widest at 6ft.

I have been trying to check any potentialy bad overhang problems myself.
Particularly were the longest car is coupled to the shortest car.

The 16ft heavy-duty flatcar will be our longest piece of rolling stock.
I have also started an underframe of what will probably be our shortest piece of rolling stock; a small 4-wheeler.
I came up with a novel-method for checking overhang & coupler-mounting.
Photos of that & coupler details coming soon.

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

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P.S. I hope you saw the caboose stuff I posted for you, last post on previous page.
The Chivers kit isn't an exact model of the Gilpin caboose.
The end beams are different & so are the addition of end windows.
But it's clearly 99% inspired by the funky lil' Gilpin one !

:bg:

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These funky trucks turned up in a box of junk at the back of my Dads garage ! :shocked:

They are very heavy cast-metal 'Tri-ang' trucks from the swingin' '60s !

Tri-ang a British company, fitted them to their U.S style range...
...Tri-ang 'Trans Continental' !

I bombed these around my first HO layout, when I was a kid.
Years & years later, here they are again !

I just modded the one on the left, by cutting off a couple of unwanted parts.
They are standing on some PECO code-83 HO track, with a code-100 rail in the centre.



They probably wouldn't impress 'finescale railroaders' or rivet-counters like Michael...

...but I just LUV 'EM !! :thumb:

Perfect chunky trucks for the heavy-duty flatcar !

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Interesting. Piece above springs look to be made, probably on the casting pattern, from sections of rail.

Wonder what the axle bearing surface is and how often one needs to reach in there to lubricate it.

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" Wonder what the axle bearing surface is and how often one needs to reach in there to lubricate it. "

Hi Forrest.

I figure at the kinda R.P.M the Porter is gonna do with a Caterpillar D7 on the flatcar ...
... never ! :pimp:

The casting metal is pretty hard & the axles seem to be stainless steel.



I removed the truck-mounted coupler fixing point & another piece from the other end.

I'd really like to take out all the metal on either side of the central hole...
...but it looks pretty hard to get in there, without damaging the wheels.

The wheels I think are BAKELITE ! press fitted. :shocked:
I don't think there's any way those wheelsets are coming outa there EVER !



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Bakelite plastic, man, there's a name I've not heard in ages.
How ungentlemanly of them to not design their product half a century plus back in a manner which facilitates the modeling schemes and machinations of people like us.

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1-2-3-4-5---99,

Just counting a few rivets, gotta check there all there !.

Evening Si !. 

You won't wear out those Triangs in a lifetime. Nice & weighty, just where you need the weight, way down low.
In rivet counting mode they look like a cross between a UK style Archbar and the LNER Diamond type, actually quite similar to the LNER design. Could also pass for an older U.S. Archbar - just right !!.

I checked out the possible coupler swing for an MMMM 16' flatcar @ 35:1 against the Bodge-O-Matic Curvatron but my nearest CAD programme is for 22 1/2 " rather than your 18".  Depends partly on the wheelbase & the swing of the Lincoln Penn design (not known); I guess a coupler swing of 3/16" to 1/4" on HO gauge ??. Maybe. Perhaps.

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Hi Si, Forrest & all
If you have a close look at "MaxiBOOM"

its Triang "Transcontinental" parentage becomes apparent and it's over 50 years old. Those bakelite wheels in ther bogie frames have done a lot of track miles before a long siesta prior to it becoming "MultiBoom" in the early 2000's.

I forget how I bodged the #5 Kadee couplings on to it, but with straight-shanks they are set lower than standard HO coupling height and only just hang on to the adjacent cars. Let me know if I need to dig it out for some "up-under" photos for you if you decide to go with bogie-mounted couplings. Bogie-mounted couplers will help get you around a tighter radius than body-mounted couplers will handle.

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" Triang "Transcontinental" parentage becomes apparent and it's over 50 years old. Those bakelite wheels in ther bogie frames have done a lot of track miles before a long siesta prior to it becoming "MultiBoom" in the early 2000's. "

Hi John.

HOLY COW !! :shocked:

Another 'crazy fool' using 50-year past their 'sell by date' trucks in the  21st Century !!

I just wish Aussie cricket* bats were made of Bakelite ! ;)

Sounds like 'MultiBoom' was a cold-war secret-weapon just 'declassified' !!

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose: on 'MultiBoom' BTW ! :Salute:

Cheers.

Si.

*U.S. Translation :-  Game kinda like baseball, with square bat & red ball.



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Hi Michael.

1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... 5 ... 6 ... 7 ... ... ...

DAMN ... I lost count !

Sorry gotta go ...............................................

11/16" Si.

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Si. wrote:
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Hi John.

HOLY COW !! :shocked:

Another 'crazy fool' using 50-year past their 'sell by date' trucks in the  21st Century !!

I just wish Aussie cricket* bats were made of Bakelite ! ;)

Sounds like 'MultiBoom' was a cold-war secret-weapon just 'declassified' !!

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose: on 'MultiBoom' BTW ! :Salute:

Cheers.

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*U.S. Translation :-  Game kinda like baseball, with square bat & red ball. (Additional OzT edit - played on an oval and not a diamond)


Actually Si,
My Bad - I got the name wrong in that last thread -
MultiBOOM is actually this one behind the locomotive

Yes Virginia there really is an un-weathered bog-standard 0-4-0 On30 Porter under all that armour plate :bg:

MaxiBOOM is on the old Triang flatcar is for long-range varmint suppression. For a better "shot" of the Triang flatcar




Now that I've successfully hijacked your thread with an armoured train :mex::cb: I suppose I'd better 'fess up and post the build saga under its own thread - although the PPP armoured train did break cover some time ago on a thread about "Manilla Guerillas" and their rail-mounted gun...

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I had a few of my Hornby 'set-track' curves on the bench in the M.M.M carshop.

Then I thought ... Ah ... turn it all upside down, to get a better view of couplers, trucks, overhang etc.



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The main reason it's taken me quite a while to get down to some car building...
...has simply been, choice of trucks & couplers.

I am keen NOT to buy a ton of experimental stuff that aint gonna get used...
...so there was a lot of 'umming & arring' over what to build with.

I already had Kadee On3 & O-scale couplers here to check out.
Not too many trucks knocking about though.

Since there is no NMRA 'standard' etc. for 1:35n2, I have had to figure out my own M.M.M standard !
No point in launching into rolling-stock production, if none of it is gonna couple OK or run any good.



Once I'd 'oiled the wallet-hinges' & took the plunge with the 3D-printed truck frames, things could progress a bit better.

The Kadee On3 coupler on the right, seemed to me to be way too small for 1:35 scale.
(it's way under size for 1:48 also)

The regular Kadee O-scale coupler on the left seemed more like a good size.
Spot on 12" high knuckle-height in 1:48 scale.
(still underscale for 1:35, but looks better than the On3 ones)

The problem with this though, is without using it in it's proper coupler-pocket, it's a devil to mount to the car...
...& I want to make my own coupler-pockets !

Mmm...

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How high the trucks sit, obviously depends on the wheels used.

Toms 3D-printed trucks were designed for Bachmann On30 wheelsets.
These are as rare as hens-teeth in the U.K, so I didn't just have any knocking about.

I did have these Kadee ones though, which I picked up from Trainworld in N.Y.C.

They fit Toms Gilpin Tram truck-frames perfectly.
Also being the correct diameter (within a few cigarette-papers tolerance !) ...
... Michael will be pleased !





I thought I'd take the time to document 'the detail' of M.M.M.s 1:35n2 spec.

My Wall Street buddy, Donald Cheese, who advised me to invest heavily in Enron...
...says there's about to be a HUGE surge of interest in 1:35 railroading !

Could be useful information.

:mex:

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More upsidedown overhang checking with the set-track curves.



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You are opening new horizons with this great new trend. No need to model temperamental rolling stock anymore. No more inane discussions about operations or scale speeds. No more wiring. Just lay the tracks upside down, add vegetation roots and buildings basements and.... DONE!!!.
Can't wait for the next chapter!. Jose.

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" John just picked up a DISTRESS call in Thunderbird-5 Mr. Tracey ! "

" Yeah ... What is it Brains ? "

" Moose Mountain just discovered NAILHOLES !!!!! is their old '60s Tri-ang tanker ! "

" OK Brains, send Scot & Virgil ! ... with Thunderbird-2s 'Herb 'o' Rivet' (TM) pod ! "

" Ah ... yyess Mr. Tracey "



" Yer s'possed to say 'F.A.B Mr. Tracey' ... Stoopid ! "

" Yyess, Ah ... I mean F.A.B Mr. Tracey ! "


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Underframes being constructed for a pair of cars, based on the Tri-ang tankcar from the swingin' '60s.




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Main tank supports cut & marked + draft-timbers.



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Work in the M.M.M carshop continues on re-mounting the Tri-ang tank to the new underframes. :P



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The Tri-ang chassis is a great little find for M.M.M.

The couplers & mountings have been removed from the diecast frame.


The buffers removed & ends filed flat.

Also the top mounting bosses have gone & the surface smoothed.

A great weighty frame for a 1:35n2 car build !

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Those Triang frames have cleaned up nicely. Don't forget our U.S. cousins never used Moreton style brakes - so far as I know. Just countin' brake rods ..!

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"Brakes? We don't need no stinkin' brakes!"

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Hi Si & all
Now if the shareholders of the MMMC had a significantly large foreign-ownership that was based in the UK, and then those same foreign shareholders "insisted" that the Board of the MMMC invest in some rolling stock supplied by a UK-based outfit that these same shareholders had a "significant interest" in, then perhaps the perceived problem about the handbrakes wouldn't be such a problem after all??
Your tank cars are fine with their hand-brakes just as they are :bg:

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Michael :- " Don't forget our U.S. cousins never used Moreton style brakes - so far as I know."

John :- " Your tank cars are fine with their hand-brakes just as they are."

Woodie :- " Brakes? We don't need no stinkin' brakes! "

L:

Mmmm ... Well ... I think you're ALL right !!

:P



While I was cutting away the unwanted buffers, bosses & couplings...
...I left the brake-rigging on, for the time being...
...as I've cut bits off stuff before & then thought O.M.G !! :shocked:

I haven't seen that many U.S 4-wheel cars, to know that much about the brakes.
Except perhaps S.R.& R.L. cars & disconnect-trucks ?

I have another modded Tri-ang chassis in the M.M.M carshop at the moment.
Part of the brakes have been taken out, on this more radicaly modded underframe.
I will upload a pic. of it !

As you can see in the pictures on the previous page <<<

The Tri-ang brake-rigging is pretty spindley & detailed.
( the brake-shoes are NOWHERE NEAR the tyres though ! )
And despite my rough-switching & outings to the FLOOR as a kid...
...that spindley diecast Tri-ang metal, is as solid as a rock !

:moose:

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Si,
L: but... you don't want the brakeshoes near the wheels when the brakes are pinned in the "off" position. ;)

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Here's the photo of another 2 Tri-ang diecast underframes I've been modding.

Buffers, bosses & couplers removed, ends & tops smoothed, same as before.

Then I cut them both straight down the centre & reversed the two parts, to create a shorter wheelbase. :cool:



Obviously the brake-rigging got chopped as well.

So I took out a bit more & could now fit a pair of wooden brake-beams to the diecast parts left.

L:

Si.

John, you can probably see what I meant about the brake-shoes being nowhere near the tyres.
They are on the same plane as the main frame pieces ! ...

... Whoops Apocalypse !

:Salute:

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Seem to be on a bit of a roll with the car building at the moment ! :thumb:

The 2 'chopped' Tri-ang underframes, have been pressed into service by the M.M.M Superintendent, for a pair of new disconnect trucks.

35' long iron chimneys are sometimes needing to be moved by the railroad...
...& their 16ft heavy-duty flatcar just aint long enough !



The M.M.M carshop had some nice Spruce in the timber store...

...so out came the PVA glue & sledge-hammers ... & they got to work !!

:bg:

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:f: " Time for some damn NAILHOLES !!!!! I suppose " :f:

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M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. ' Shake The Box Kit ' ... Sans Box ! :moose:



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Hank Hatchet, when he's not STAMPEDEING wild-west Timpo wagons through town, after one too many at The Gold Nugget Saloon...
...is head honcho in the M.M.M carshop.

Having overheard the Superintendent in the saloon, saying the railroad needed "an expert car builder"...
...Hank sent a few whiskeys the Superintendents way, & next thing yer know, he got the job !



Off the top of his head, Hank speced the R.R.s draft-timber spacing at 5/16".

Hank sure screwed-up this time !

Damn flange back to backs are a little tighter than he figured.
Don't reckon seein' DOUBLE readin' a vernier helped none neither !

Wolfgangs just noticed that Hanks 5/16" moly-bar jig is JAMMIN' THE WHEELS UP !

" WHERE THE HELL'S HANK ? "

Probably takin' a light lunch down at The Gold Nugget !

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Is it ... LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT ! ? :P



1:35 Plymouth gas-mech.


' Black Bird ' as smallbrookstudio.co.uk call their funky lookin' resin kit !

Designed to fit over a Tenshodo 13.5mm dia. 35mm wheelbase motor-bogie...

...or a Model Power ' Hustler '.


Costs the same as 3-pairs of Bachmann On30 trucks do, here in the UK !!

Go figure ...

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Right pricey but she looks good.
Wonder if it has that small block 318 V8 ... oh, different Plymouth.

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BUY ONE NOW...BUY ONE NOW...MAYBE BUY 2 NOW!!

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" BUY ONE NOW...BUY ONE NOW...MAYBE BUY 2 NOW!! "

Hi Woodie.

I think you're right.
She seems to have the 'Plymouth look' pretty much done & dusted !
Not sure what year this would be, probably pre late 1930s though I guess.
Just what a 'tin pot' mining op. mighta had ?

I know I've seen a few 1:35 critter-kits about.
Can't think exactly what though.
Possibly mostly to do with military type fieldbahn ? railways ?



( resin kit info on previous page <<< )

I know that the Model Power 'Hustler' has been pretty popular for critter-bashes over the years.
I figure partly because it's cheap & plentiful in the U.S.
I did have a nose for one a while back on U.K eBay etc. But didn't turn one up.
My question is, are they good performers on track ?

I know the Tenshodo motor-bogies seem to have a good rep.

L:

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Si. wrote:
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...I know that the Model Power 'Hustler' has been pretty popular for critter-bashes over the years.
I figure partly because it's cheap & plentiful in the U.S.
I did have a nose for one a while back on U.K eBay etc. But didn't turn one up.
My question is, are they good performers on track ?...

Si.


Hi Si,
The answer is it depends on the vintage. The earliest of them were not that flash, if not almost downright awful. The later versions like M96680 D&RGW yellow version with headlight and wire handrails on cab and engine cover and with the best motor so far should work OK for you. (Recommendation was lifted from the On30 Conspiracy Yahoo Group - just gotta know where to look)

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Hi Si,
Believe it or not the Plymouth DDT is actually a 30" narrow-gauge straight out of the box and not HO. The prototype was a 12-ton loco built with a Low-height cab to move wagons under restricted height bins at an aluminium and steel industries in the US.

The extra height in the cab of the model in your previous post should go a long way to improving the comfort of you model engineer and his off-sider :bg:

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Si, those old MODEL POWER critters were great runners...provided you got rid of the mechanism. The very old Athearn Hustler was likewise UNLESS you invested the $6.50 in an EARNST drive kit for the loco, then it ran pretty nice and even had a "sound system" due to the thrashing of gears. I wish I still had the ones I perver..converted long ago. You might try to find them on fleabay but beware, there are "collectors" out there. I met a guy who paid $65US for a "mint, in box, TYCO F7(?) diesel and he thought that he got a great deal. I didn't tell him that he could have bought one IN BOX for 5 bucks at the local thrifty store. BUYER BEWARE!

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Ah, the rubber band Athearns!. One of my favourite "tricks" was replacing the rubber band with a softer one, then suddenly powering it so it would spring forward like shot from a catapult. The good old days.... Jose.

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Hi guys. :mex:

Thanks for the info. on the ol' crusty critter mechs. !

I did check eBay for a Model Power 'Hustler' again, but no luck...
...seemed to get a lot of vintage American 'artistic' publications for sale. :shocked:

The Plymouth critter kit looks like a no brainer to me.
I guess the cab height isn't much more than 6'...
...a 'skull cruncher' ?!
Perfect.

Talking about crusty & rusty ol' critter engines...
...this lil' number came from my antique 'Tri-ang' treasure-trove box !

Woodie, it's got one of those 1950s 'sound systems' ! ... This thing GROWLS LIKE A BEAR !! :w:



This heavy-metal baby, makes Motorhead sound like chamber music !

The whole thing got stripped down completely yesterday & bathed in meths.
everything comes apart.
Pole-pieces, magnet, bronze-bearings, balls, brushes, the lot.
They don't make 'em like this in the 21st-century !

Probably wouldn't fit in the Plymouth.
But !
I've got a HUGE photo folder clogging up my hard-drive, of all the rusty old crap that Jose is always posting !
So this vintage GROWLER !! is gonna come in handy for some kinda post-apocalyptic petrol perversion !

:pimp:

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HOLY COW!That thing has knurled wheels! No wonder it sounds like a "growler", I bet it can pull the wall paper off the wall...How very cool, I wish that I had one of those. Now, as Moe Howard said-"You, workman, get to work, you!"

Jonesing on your find...W C

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" HOLY COW!That thing has knurled wheels! No wonder it sounds like a "growler" "

Hi Woodie. :cb:

The catalogue description should have read :-

' Comes with 4-wheel Quadraphonic (TM) realistic GROWLING !!!!! + gear & engine noise ! '

It also came with a realistic Smellaphonic oil-burning effect, as the engine HEATED UP !!



" I bet it can pull the wall paper off the wall."

Back in the day Woodie ... It would of had your PLASTER as well !!

I honestly recall that despite having bigger locos on my layout...
...these weighty Tri-ang 0-4-0s with the GROWLER !!!!! wheels, would out pull ANYTHING.

There was bad news however, when I stripped ol' GROWLER down in the M.M.M shop :f:

But !
This morning, when I made coffee, the answer was staring me in the face. :shocked:

:thumb:

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To be continued .................

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Hi Woodie and all,
These same 4 wheel units were also used by Triang as the power-bogie under their bogie diesels.

Si has a really low-mileage one - I wore the knurling off the treads on mine and had about 1/4" vertical slop in each bearing before it finally gave out mechanically. The electric motor still ran but with the cloud of blue sparks and the racket it made, it was probably knocking out the TV reception of anyone within a mile radius. :bg: It was better than bullet-proof and lasted operationally into the late 1980's. The wheels were also magnetised initially so that they had even more grip when running on Triang's plated steel tracks from the 1960's.

Cue Miss Streisand - "Memories...."

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" These same 4 wheel units were also used by Triang as the power-bogie under their bogie diesels."

John might have spotted, that in fact, the power unit in the photos is NOT actualy from the Tri-ang 0-4-0 diesel; which was basicaly a 'Brit Hustler'.

I have 2 of these drives.

This one is from a Brit. E.M.U.
Tri-ang made an A-unit power-car, a B-unit & an unpowered A-unit.
There is a coupler mounting-tab at one end only on these.

I started working on this one first, as the bodywork is not much use to me.
The bodywork on the 0-4-0 could be useful in a 1:35n2 critter-bash !

- - - - - - -

" Si has a really low-mileage one - I wore the knurling off the treads on mine "

That is INCREDIBLE John !

Mine were hand-ons from my older cousins !
They may have been pre-owned by someone before that even.
I put a fair bit of mileage in as well.



:mex:

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I have been looking for a copy of 'The Gilpin Tram' by author Frank R. Hollenback for a while now.

Slightly rare book it seems, only 1 printing run ever done, in 1958.

Helmut came up trumps a while back finding a copy for 10-bucks !
I hadn't been so lucky, until a week or so back, when I looked in to Amazon 'just to see'.
Not having a Trump sized wallet myself, I was pleased to see, at last a 'sensibly' priced copy !

So, I bought it.

Yesterday Dave the postman pulls up in his usual cloud of dust & boiling brakefluid...

..." Dunno mate, it's American, sign here " said Dave.

Oooooo whooooopy, I thought, I know what that is !



First of all I was REALLY surprised to see that the bookseller had sent me a hardback copy, rather than the 'cheap' paperback I had ordered.

There was a signed & numbered limited edition of 200 clothbound hardback books made, in addition to the paperback run.

Back in 1958 you would have had to stretch the budget to $5 for it, over the normal $1 price for the paperback !

Wow ! I thought, that's a bonus !

Then I looked inside & nearly DROPPED THE BOOK in amazement !

It took a few seconds for me to realise ... but there it was ...

The bookseller had sent me Frank R. Hollenbacks PERSONAL COPY of his own book !!!!!

You've got a better chance of winning in the casino at Black Hawk, than THAT happening !!!!!

:bg:

Si.

Still says the same thing, with the same ink...

...I suppose the tins of Campbells Soup owned by Andy Warhol were the same as the ones in the mall as well.

Mmm...

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Holy moly, that book is quite a find!

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Gnurled wheels?? First time I've seen a loco with off-road tires! :)

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Hello Si,

That knurled wheel thing ain't a power bogie - it's a self powered TRACK CLEANER.

How about a high bonnet critter to fit over that tower magnet  :






Looks like an excellent book you've bought yourself.

Photo by Salada.

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Si, that book IS a nice find. I got a copy via ABE from a dude in OZ. I think I paid $25US but it ain't signed...'specially with Hollenback's name! You lucky dog!!!

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W C Greene wrote: Si, that book IS a nice find. I got a copy via ABE but it ain't signed.You lucky dog!!!

Woodie

Woodie, I will sign it for you. Just send it over. I shall PM you my adres.

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OK, I will send it to you now...BTW, I have some ocean front property near Tucson which I will sell cheap! Send me your debit card # and I will set the deal up.

Hasta la vista...baby!

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Wow. Aren't you glad I didn't buy it?

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" Woodie, I will sign it for you. Just send it over. "

Hi Alwin.

As Andy Warhol said :- " Everyone's famous for 15 minutes. "

I wouldn't mess with W.C.G !
He's been known to turn into THE TERMINATOR ! :w:...
... & rip out all your wiring ! :shocked:

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" Si, that book IS a nice find. I got a copy via ABE from a dude in OZ. I think I paid $25US but it ain't signed...'specially with Hollenback's name! You lucky dog!!! "

Hi Arnie ... erm ... I mean Woodie.

My copy ain't signed either.
Frank didn't sign his own personal copy.

It's numbered, #1 out of 200...
...& underneath where the other 199 are signed...
...Frank has written the date - November 19, 1958.
No doubt that days date.

His press cuttings are on the front inside cover...
...& more press cuttings are inside the back cover.

Denver Post - December 7, 1958
&
R.M. News - December 7, 1958
&
R.M. News - December 28, 1958

Frank has also gone through the book looking for 'typos'...
...& has noted just 1 'typo' on page-22.

It's a hard one to spot !
It's a wrong word ... But it doesn't change the meaning or way the sentance reads !
Can you spot it ?

???

Si.

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:mex: Sundown at the Mysterious Moose Mountain carshop.



New couplers and P.C.& F. chocs are measured out for the M.M.M disconnects.

Wolfgang checks out the progress on the tankcar builds.

:moose:

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" How about a high bonnet critter to fit over that tower magnet "

Hi Michael.

AWESOME photo on the previous page <<<

What ? ... Yer mean sumtink like this :-



Tri-ang swinging '60s 'Dock Authority' critter GOES TOPLESS !! :shocked:

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A perfect match Si !. Half-cab, full-cab or corrugated sheet sunroof ?

Diesel powered knurled wheeler beats a poxxy gas Plymouth any day on the MMM. Better up-grade from C.82 to C.100 rail !.

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" A perfect match Si !. Half-cab, full-cab or corrugated sheet sunroof ? "

Hi Michael. :cb:

Well ... I knocked up this redneck-shanty for the 'Brit-critter' whilst working on the M.M.M car builds !

Wolfgang requested a battering-ram for the front as well !!

:mex: " WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' COUPLERS ! "



" Diesel powered knurled wheeler beats a poxxy gas Plymouth any day on the MMM."

You could be right Michael ! :thumb:


The 'Dock Authority' 0-4-0 Brit-critter was involved in a MAJOR train-wreck, back in the early '70s.

During a complex switching move, with a string of high-friction axle-bearing Trans-Continental railroad cars...
...she jumped the rails & plummeted off the 200ft high trestle, onto a hardwood floor !

Needless to say, a few G's impact on the Tri-ang placky bodywork, with the heavy-metal GROWLER-mechanism behind it...
...& she would never be that 'mint in box' example, that brings collectors out in a cold sweat !

So, I'm not on the Tri-ang collectors assasination-list ... YET !! :w:

:moose:

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Now that is cool as s#$t! As for a "cab", how about some sort of umbrella with stripes? I have wanted such a thing for one of my lokies. One of the SCNG Shays had a "pole cab" affair with canvas roof. It was probably the same loco (#4) that was shown hauling a train up hairpin curve while "cabless" due to a derailment and wreck. Of course, my trains never derail...no, not ever...nope......

Geez, I wish that I had a set of those knurled wheels for my Shays.

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Yup, in the near immortal words of Mr Greene, that will be rather stylish. Nice.
MMM No1 ??  Main line Certified. Brake continuity tested (what brakes ??!!).

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I like battering rams.

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Hey ... THANKS GUYS !

Haven't done too much to her really ... But I do see definate potential !
Deciding on 'the chop' was a good move...
...what else am I gonna do with a Brit-critter, in the Sout-West ?

The original cab came off with WIRE-CUTTERS ! ...
...I have 'neatly' cut a doorway at the back, between bulkheads now as well.

More FUN to come, no doubt !

Here's a photo especially for Woodie ... WATCH YOUR FINGERS !!



:moose:

Si.

P.S. Does anyone know the best way to strip 'Humbrol Enamel' off plastic ?

If I left the body in white-spirit for a few days...
...I figure the plastic should be OK...
...but would it strip the Humbrol ?

Any ideas ? L:

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Si-brake fluid may work. Not the new silly-cone type but old fashioned nastiness. Well, it works for me.

Man, I love those "flanges", they look just like the much wanted "P-87, 48, yadda" types. I am sure the NMRA (National Monkey Railroad Assn.) has standards for them. Finescalers will want them for sure.

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" Man, I love those "flanges", they look just like the much wanted "P-87, 48, yadda" types. I am sure the NMRA (National Monkey Railroad Assn.) has standards for them. Finescalers will want them for sure. "


Howdy Woodie :cb:

Could be a case of ...

' Dr. Strange Michael ...

or
... How I learned to stop worrying & love the flanges ' :Salute:

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... c o n t i n u e d ...

this week on ... THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO ...

... cool big ol' cars, 5-O detectives, wide ties & '60s motor refurbishment !

STAY TUNED ! :cool:

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' M.I.B ' collectors won't be disapointed with the Tri-ang 'Dock Authority' critter...
...it will stay in it's box & never haul a single car !

Others might be a tad pissed off though...
...as despite GROWLER-wheels, it probably won't pull the skin off a rice-pudding !!

???

Before stripping the '60s motor, I gave it some juice to check the ol' critter out.
Not great.
I thought it might be an electrical problem.
But a 9-Volt battery straight to the motor didn't make much difference. L:

Having got the whole thing disassembled, it was obvious what the problem was.
Basicaly the magnet was about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorcycle !!

On the 'Queens currency test' it scored about 1 out of 10 for pulling power !
Not good.

Despite being a bit of a 'lecy-guy, motors have always baffled me !
I do know a bit about these though...



................. > > >


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Well, good news about the Tri-ang magnet situation.

As I opened the fridge the other morning making coffee.
There right in front of me was a small cluster of 10mm cube magnets !
BINGO !

The original Tri-ang magnet is 3/8" wide...
...these modern super-strong cube magnets are 10mm.
Slight difference, but a pretty good fit.



The old magnet is the the block, bottom left, with the hole through it.

A long machine-screw holds this together...
...but the new magnet is so strong, that everything seems pretty 'together' without it.

There is also another Tri-ang casting which goes over the top of the magnet & poles (not in photo), which also helps keep the whole thing together.



I haven't re-wired it yet & tested the ol' critter...
...but fingers crossed ! .........................

:moose:

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Neat! A drop of superglue will hold everything in place. I have to ask though, why do you keep magnets in your fridge?

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Maybe he should have written "on the fridge"..that's where my magnets are found...holding bills that become forgotten after a while. I just wonder if the magnet's attraction is too great to operate a small motor. Physics anyone?

WCG-perspiring minds want to know...something.

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I made the mistake of putting some of those new fangled magnets on the fridge and had to slide them over to the side to get them off!

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" I have to ask though, why do you keep magnets in your fridge? "

Hi Ken.

Erm ... well ... actualy ... I don't !

I should maybe consider it though...
...they would be :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: super-cool fridge-magnets if I did !



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" I just wonder if the magnet's attraction is too great to operate a small motor. Physics anyone? "

Hi Woodie.

You could well be right, I hadn't thought of that ! ... Mmm ...

Motors, as I said, are a bit of a mystery to me. ???

With a microphone & loudspeaker, basicaly bigger is always better...
...but of course, the central coil/foil is non-magnetic.

Old '70s slot-car motors perform very poorly in my experience...
...I always figured due to deteriation of the magnet-strength.

Having said that, I have heard of people actualy racing these cars 'as is'...
...and they seem happy to do so ... double Mmm ...

I guess only testing will tell.
I'm going to strip the other mech. as well now & rewire both together.
So might have to wait a little for the results on 'mega-magnets'.

:moose:

Si.

Car building continues at M.M.M, so more photos of that in the meantime. :bg:

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The woodwork is nearly finished on the heavy-duty flatcar. :P

I thought I'd put some photos up on the story of 'swaybacking' the underframe.

:f:

Mmm...

Well, that's strange.
Tried about 5x, & with a couple of different photos.
It says the photo I'm trying to upload is too-big ... But it def. isn't !
That's never happened before to me.

I'll try again later ... :slow: ...

Si.:f:

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''Having said that, I have heard of people actualy racing these cars 'as is'...
...and they seem happy to do so ... double Mmm'' ...

Si--

A small motor with brushes (which used to be called a ''series motor'' back in the day), will run faster--up to a point-- the weaker the field.  Faster means less torque, and the ''point'' is when there is no longer enough torque to keep the motor going against what ever friction and load is involved.

Stronger field = more torque plus slower rotation.

There probably is a point where too strong a field will overcome whatever magnetism the armature can create--I don't know--but your mates that run old weak magnets may actuality have an advantage---

Now please lets not hear any blather about 250 mph 2-8-8-0 locos--OK?

Herb

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" Now please lets not hear any blather about 250 mph 2-8-8-0 locos--OK? "

Hi Herb.

A railroad spokesman has denied any TOP-SECRET research project to develop a 20,000 RPM high-speed logging loco !


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STILL CAN'T POST PHOTOS !

Freerails upload-window says 'max size is 3000 bytes'

This is WAY TOO SMALL.

I think it used to say 3000 'K' bytes.

Server default switch or something flipped by accident maybe ?

Anyone else having problems uploading photos ?

My pix. are generaly around 70K bytes (pretty small really).

??

H E L P !

Si.

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I agree, something must be wrong. A 3k file is not much use. Yes, it does say 3000 bytes.

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Yep, I had a problem uploading a photo which was taken in my "regular fashion" and it said "way too big...try again". Hmmm, I will wait to see what shakes.

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I'M looking into this. Too many of you are having trouble.
Are you guys trying to upload to the gallery--or using the option at the bottom of the post page?


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Herb,

I've tried it from the gallery. That don't work.

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Try it now folks, I waved my magic wand. Don't know how the numbers got lowered in the first place, as I haven't been mucking about there for a long while?????

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No, It still don't work.



Edit: Herb, even a very small picture won't work. I tried an 6kb picture, that is 10 x 13 pixels. Even that is too big.....

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I reset the limit to 50000 bytes 800 wide

but the first time it reverted to 3000

See if it will stay there this time.

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Sorry Herb, it doen't work for me.

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Well, thanks for the instant feedback Alwin, Guess the next thing is to contact the Server.

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Hi Herb.

50,000 bytes isn't enough.

I would set it to at least 2,000,000 bytes.

My fairly 'economic' 800x600 pix. are sometimes 100,000 bytes...
...sometimes even 150,000.

:moose:

Cheers.

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Managed to sneek this small sepia-tone photo past the Freerails 'byte-rationing' CPU !


I knew my early '80s Soviet-clone of the Sinclair ZX80 computer would come in handy one day !

Photo software came on the FREE 5" floppy-disk, taped to the cover of 'Siberian Computing Quarterly' magazine.

The program is 'KremlinShop', great for B&W photo-editing...
...as used by the KGB and Woodie, when he used to model in monochrome.

:moose:

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Attachment: 2016-02-20_06-13-25_778_20160220062424346 (Medium) (Small).jpg (Downloaded 52 times)

Last edited on Thu Mar 3rd, 2016 10:33 am by Si.

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Si

Up until now the Gallery automatically reduced photos to 80KB or less before storing them.

We only have a certain amount of storage for what I pay, and the larger the file size, the quicker we run out of space. You never complained about the resolution before at 80K or less, so why do you think you need more now?

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Trying to upload a 47 kb. Not working. Going back to my corner to lick my wounds. Yours (frustrated) truly, Jose.

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Hi Herb.

I had thought before the 'reset' or whatever it was, that the attatchments window said 3000K in it.
Obviously this is really meant for PDFs mostly.

If the gallery chops pix. to 80K, I guess there is 'no limit' to uploads effectivly.

Because my internet isn't that fast etc.
I resize my pics to 800x600...
...& they are pretty much always under 100K.

What I have noticed, not in my photo uploads, but in some by other people...
...is pretty harsh pixelization of some images.
I always figured it was their resize-method...
...but I know Windows(TM) picture-resizer is very good.
I now figure the harsh pixelization is probably 'the gallery' picture-resizer doing its thing.

I find it a big problem myself, when people post zillions of photos on 1-page.
The page can take an eternity to load on slower & cell connections...
...I often just give up & close pages like that, for this reason.

Photobucket in particular is another 'bottleneck' here...
...might as well go & have a long-lunch while that loads a few pics. !!

Keep up the good work Capt. Herbie !

:moose:

Cheers.

Si.

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When last spotted Capt. Herbies nose was still above water, but  not much else-------


Glub blub glub

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" When last spotted Capt. Herbies nose was still above water, but  not much else "

DAMN ! ...
... the ceeegar musta gone out :f:

- - - - - - -

I decided in a wild-tornado of productivity...
...to start on some more underframes !

I got my mess of a stripwood collection organised to NASA standards.
" Copy that Houston "
Which does make things a tad easier ! :P

This lil' fella is gonna be a 14ft workcar...
...perhaps the home for Januarys 'Crane Of The Month' build ? ... Mmm ...



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This one got sized up for a pair of the 3D-printed Gilpin Tram trucks I bought.
Wheelsets are Kadee On30 Griffin type.

:mex: " WE NEED THOSE STINKIN' UNDERFRAMES ! "

Si.

:moose:t  be time for a ceeegar ...

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Termite :):):):):) effect decking !!!!!



:shocked:

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Mysterious :moose:Mountain

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" Glub blub glub "

Hi Herb.

Just what you don't want on a quiet Saturday...
...ME!


The Freerails-gallery now has a very unique feature !
Could be a world FIRST in computing !

Uploading a photo makes the image-size SMALLER...
...and the file-size BIGGER.


This is what happened with the last 3 photos ^^^

800x599 - 36.0 Kb becomes 640x479 - 44.4 Kb

800x599 - 35.6 Kb becomes 640x479 - 43.5 Kb

800x600 - 61.0 Kb becomes 640x480 - 70.2 Kb


I made the last one over 50 Kb on purpose, to see what would happen.
It got through, decreasing the image-size & increasing the file-size as well.


Mmm ...

:moose:

Si.

Data DOUBLE checked !

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I've never previously had a problem uploading photos to FR, despite being on a semi-rural copper wire system until now - it ain't working for me either.

I don't know 'owt about files & bytes - I mostly just use a camera. Pixels are the little folk who live at the bottom of our garden.

Regards,          Michael             

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Hello Michael ol' bean ! :thumb:

I hope you've been eatin' your greens...
...a nice big plate of Brussels a day 'll keep yer pumped up like Popeye !

You might like to get yer laughing gear round one of these as well me ol' mucka !



Wolfgang has been researching certain Industrial products made in the Michigan area. :bg:
&
Discovered an interesting local brown-ale !

:moose:

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C.O.T. M. goes alcoholic ! But what happened to the January & February editions ?

Madam S & my good self went on a recent country drive (new sports car !)  & after an enjoyable pub lunch we mysteriously ended up at the PECO factory where I acquired a packet of the elusive IL-13 rail spikes. Originally listed as an HO/OO item they now consider them "more appropriate to O Gauge". More like about G.2 I'd say !.

At 48:1 scale the side claw on the head is a scale 4.5" long, totally unsuitable for On30, but might be a bit better at 35:1 with about C.100 rail ?

I assembled trial bits of C.82 & C.83 rail using them & photographed the appearance for you but the FR Gallery now says 'No' to all my photos (sorry Herb). My very old confuser doesn't seem to have any photo re-sizing/editing function that I can find. Probably some Belgian plot.

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" C.O.T. M. goes alcoholic ! But what happened to the January & February editions ? "

Hi Michael.

Januarys 'Crane Of The Month' appeared for but a fleeting moment, swiftly following New Years Eve...
...you may have missed it, possibly forgotten it, or just didn't give a monkeys uncle !
Perhaps the blood/alcohol levels were stabilizing, back to a normal 50/50 level ?

Februarys 'Crane Of The Month' was spiked by The Editor...
( like his drink at the N.Y.E party )
...due to Kbytes needed for other INSANE projects.

Which brings us up to date & the current month of March 2016 A.D. (_!_)

- - - - - - -

Anyway ... Just gassed up the DeLorean & it's back to the swingin' '60s AGAIN !!

Brit-kit company 'Airfix' made this U.F.O* kit, when yours truly was still a wee nipper.

This *undoubtedly-fictitious-object was based on the very similar Booth Rodley crane, used by British-Railways to tidy up minor wrecks & this and that.

The main difference being that the B.R 1:1 crane ran on an 8-wheel fixed-frame...
...& the 'Airfix' U.F.O bogie sighting, was designed to negotiate Tri-angs 13 1/2" saucer-like curves !

Not sure what you do if the wrecking-crane gets WRECKED !



I think Dave the postman will be burning out a set of Bridgestones, getting one to me tomorrow !

Dave ... Wrecked railroaders just couldn't live without you. :cool:

" Yeah ... Sign THERE ! on the machine "

:moose:

Si.

Nice wasp-stripes !!

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Dave :cool: the postman didn't let me down !
'Airfix' swingin' '60s Brit-kit arrived yesterday morrning.

- - - - - - -

I didn't actualy say, but the idea with this, is another 'upscale' to 1:35.

I tried to eye up the vital statistics before parting with the readys...
...but yer never quite know until yer see it.
Did a loose test-assembly last nite, to see what's what.

The Booth Rodley isn't a HUGE crane, but it's big enough to have doors & windows etc.
The main-winch is fairly obvious in the photo.
Up top & just below it, is the boom raising/lowering thingamejig.

In 1:35 it looks like most of this whole assembly COULD with some modding...
...represent a main winding-gear & engine area for a rail crane.

Gonna have to do a bit of CAD work on this can of worms.
( Cardboard Aided Design )



I got this for £8.50p inc. P&P ... Which I think is a bit of a steal !

4 very nice wheelsets come with it ... Cost you a 5er from Alan Gibson, any day of the week.
The parts for the jib are pretty awesome & near impossible to make that easily.
It's also incredibly well moulded & has pretty much zero flash.
Considering the Airfix mould-tooling is over 50 years old, pretty amazing.

Could be interesting for modding in On30 or even Gn15 as well.

I'm a happy :moose:

Si.

P.S.
Nice to hear you got the IL-13 rail-spikes Michael.
Pretty James-Bond, taking Miss Moneypenny out for a spin in the Aston to pick 'em up.

Does she suspect yet, that you've erased all the frock-shop coordinates from the sat-nav...
...and replaced them with grimey railway locations ?

:w:

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That kit does look like a deal. I have found a few lately. Especially if the assembly has been 'started' folks don't seem to like them much.

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Is it going to be a.....BROWNHOIST??? Or SIHOIST???

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Hi Woodie. :cb:

Well ...
I've done a bit of research into a well known hoist company in Cleveland, Ohio.
&
I'm also of course inspired by a less known crane company, in Dallas, Texas ...
... the 'GREENEHOIST Co.' ...
... suppliers of bespoke hoisting equipment to New Mexico miners ! ;)

This drawing from a vintage Cleveland produced catalogue in my collection.



It might take a while to get places with this.
I started out though, as I'm very much in underframe-trucks-couplers mode at present.
Have actualy got 7 cars well on the way now; from focusing mainly on the frames. :P

I figure this one has to be a steel-frame.
So might take a while, cos I gotta get some Plastruct ('Airfix' frame, is no way suitable).
But with the drawing, the steel-jib & engine parts; she's lookin' good so far. :!:

I also found some interesting information on old 1:1 steam to diesel conversion kits.

I think my crane might look like a 50 years of service, steam to diesel conversion...
...+ redneck engineering additions !
Imagine the trainees round the back of the factory learning how to build cranes, with all the old parts from the company R&D dept. ! :Crazy:

Sadly I can;t see from the drawing, exactly how many rivets were used in construction. :f:

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BROWNHOIST !!!

BROWNHOIST !!!

BROWNHOIST !!!

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Since many of these cranes were self-propelled (look between the trucks under the frame) that may have been driven with a "Climax style" affair...a central gearbox with driveshaft, universals, sliding driveshafts, and gears on the wheels. It would be indeed cool to make a powered Brownhoist but I ain't gonna do it! Not far from here is a railroad scrapper which uses a powered crane minus the boom/hoist as a switcher. I wish I had photos of this, it is behind a fence with NO TRESPASSING signs everywhere. This thing has couplers fore & aft and air brakes. I know it runs, it is moved around every time I pass by. Someday, a camera and an attitude and maybe a photo will appear.

Woodie
BTW-the large gear under my "brownhoist" cab was made from a section of a plastic bottle cap which looked like a "gear". I inspect all trash before I pitch it, something may be a detail someday...

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There was a crane in a scrap yard in Philadelphia when I was a kid that had two short wheelbase trucks, close together. The drive was by a central very large coarse tooth gear of only perhaps 10 teeth- that drove two idler gears of the same size , one to either side of the first. they in turn meshed with a similar gear on the inboard axle of each truck.
Now, here comes the good part. When the trucks swiveled to go around a curve. the axle gears just slid sideways on the idlers, and slightly out of mesh--but since the teeth were such coarse spacing (and rather wide for their diameter) they didn't come out of mesh! I don't know if the outboard axles of each truck were driven or not, as the ''sideframes'' where just big slabs of plate. and it was impossible to see anything inside there. The scrap yard had one sharp curve that the crane went around constantly when at work, and I would park my bicycle, and watch, and wait---hoping that the gears would slip out of mesh ---which of course they never did. Gnarley looking things all covered with sticky black grease. Kept wondering if I could build a HO model that would work like that. Light years beyond my ability back then, of course.

Then years later, Mantua--and perhaps others--made powered tenders with a similar drive, but by then I was firmly into 1/48


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By George you've got it Herb! A Mantua/Tyco "Chattanooga Choo Choo" tender would power such a beast!OK Si, find one of those and you can be the big kid on the block. Double...Triple dog dare ya!

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Someday, a camera and an attitude and maybe a photo will appear.

... or a drone... Jose.

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Jose...I'm against drones except for military use. Too many idiots with debit cards and snooping minds own drones.

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Hi guys

Thanks for the great train-crane stories !
It's why I keep coming back to this digital insane asylum !

I did think about a powered locomotive-crane.
But without a 'clutch', I figured you couldn't really pull it in a train.

If I was making a scrap-yard scene or suchlike, it would be practical...
...then of course you'd want a 'working' boom & hoist as well !!
& maybe an ELECTROMAGNET !!
& 'real' scrap-iron !!

- - - - - - -

" The large gear under my "brownhoist" cab was made from a section of a plastic bottle cap which looked like a "gear". I inspect all trash before I pitch it, something may be a detail someday."

Howdy Woodie. :cb:

I have a LARGE box of bottle-caps, cardboard, metal-cans etc. etc. in the kitchen.
GOLD DUST !!
" Is this box of crap here for recycling ? " says a friend of mine...
... " NO that's VALUABLE !! " says me " HANDS OFF IT !! "

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Si:

As Editor in Chief of C.O.T. M. you should know that "the boom raising/lowering thingamejig" is known as the Bridle Gear & Derricking Drum. The 'boom' is actually the Jib (booms are something else).

The Booth Rodley wasn''t a large beast, good basis for the MMMMM RR Co. @ 35:1.

The IL-13's are useless for On30, way oversize.

Miss Moneypenny was borne with all frock-shop coordinates pre-installed, plus the shoeshop, handbag shop, jewellery shop etc. etc. optional extra updates.

Cheers,     Michael

..... March Issue ready yet ??

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" You should know that "the boom raising/lowering thingamejig" is known as the Bridle Gear & Derricking Drum. The 'boom' is actually the Jib (booms are something else)."

OK smarty-pants ! :P
Another load of important information that I have to remember...
...untill they throw me in a hole & stick a monument on top !

I knew I should have put 'jib' ... DAMN !
As for 'Boom Boom' ... That's Basil Brush fer sure ;)

- - - - - - -

Michael. :cb:

Have you checked out EDM Models, for Micro-Engineering spikes ?
Website is - NGtrains.com
Or get on the dog & bone to Paul on - 01904 331 973

If he hasn't got 'em ... 'e might be able to get 'em !

Paul also has lots of other On30 goodies on his UK website.
I got my San Juan Car Company 'Evolution' couplers from Paul, good price.
He also sells the 'Blue Point' turnout operating thingamejigs as well.
On30 Annual etc. etc. etc.

:moose:

Si.

The seriously non-finescale big lump of plastic, stickin' outta the window...
...really operates the ' Bridle Gear & Derricking Drum ' !



Endless modelling fun ?

Sounds good !

" Daaad ... Can I have an Airfix railway crane ? ... it really operates !! "

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'Evening Si,

I had wondered where you had found a source of the "Evolution" couplers; now I know.

Thanks for the ME spike info. For now I have decided to go spikeless on the basis that I reckon correctly proportioned On30 spikes are practically invisible from a 'normal' viewing distance of 2' - 3'.

Based on Professor Greene's excellent "Woodieland Scenics" ballast/dirt idea I scraped up some hopefully 'grindable' dirt from a Welsh hillside the other day that looks just the right colour for D&RGW NG ballast.

Cheers,   Doctor StrangePants

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Even Herb can get over exited about mobile cranes now ! :old dude:



ELECTRIC BROWNHOIST !!!

ELECTRIC BROWNHOIST !!!

ELECTRIC BROWNHOIST !!!

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Howdy Si...that big hunky key sticking out the side of the hoist is just what I have for my Brownhoist. Yep, the boom and cable can be raised/lowered by sticking a small screwdriver in the side of the winch and "screwing with it". So, you should be able to fashion something similar to make the mechanism work. Nope, I don't go around messing with the boom & line but IF I WANT, it can be "operated". Now, what's this finescale business? More like "funscale"...that's a better term.

Woodie

BTW-the electric job above is really cool and worth modeling!

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Might be three phase by having two overhead wires. Then again, might not use the rail for ground.
But why not use the rail--that is there?
I vote for three phase.
If jib goes too high, whole things enters another phase----

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THAT crane is scary.

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" Now, what's this finescale business? More like "funscale"...that's a better term."

Don't worry Woodie :cb: ... We're keepin' it FUNSCALE ! here at Mysterious Moose Mountain !

:rah::moose::rah:

" If jib goes too high, whole things enters another phase " :old dude:

Teflon(TM) control levers & Wellington boots perhaps Herb ?

L:



Started messin' with the jib pieces a bit.

2 inside pulley-wheels ( I'll expect the CORRECT term from Michael ) ...
... & 2 outside pulley-wheels, for what I now know is called the 'Bridle Gear' !!

Mmm...

Seems simple.
I'm actualy quite worried :w: about MEKing this lot together !
Gonna have a go later ...............

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Si wrote

''Teflon(TM) control levers & Wellington boots perhaps Herb ?''

Only until the operator sits---then rubber undies also.

Have to watch--this is supposed to be a family forum. Best not to mention how some families might have accidentally started, Si.

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SHEAVES !!

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Bringing in the sheaves, bringing in the sheaves...

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Hi Doctor ;)

Sheaves ... Yes indeed, that term does ring a bell. :dope:

If I'd 'Carefully read the instructions before assembly', as suggested by Airfix...
...I would have come across the term 'derrick drum'...
...Yep, it's clearly stated in fine-print, even finer than a Brussels policy !

R.T.F.M ! :f:

As official train-wreck consultant to M.M.M, I do need your input Dr. M. ! :Salute:



Since the crane instructions come with a photo the size of a postage stamp...
...& an exploded diagram, that makes a Formula-1 engine look 'simple'...
...I thought I'd check out some more vintage pix. of the kit.

This one is from an original swingin' '60s Airfix catalogue, I think. ???

The model has been built completely ignoring the 'sheaves' !!
It's 'bridle gear' & 'derrick drum' threaded up like a sack of potatoes !
Seems the hook-pulley didn't get used either !
Then...
...the photographer took a picture of the crane DERAILED ! :shocked:

Well THAT didn't help much. :Crazy:

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Judging by the 'sparkly white' electrical radiation around the crane I guess it has just materialised from a planet somewhere beyond Andromeda.

"It's a crane Jim but not as we know it".

Correct Si, the illustration is rather technically inaccurate, or as Cranologists would say 'total boll*cks'.

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After some umming & arring over the workcar decking...
...I'd had a few, so went for the glue !!

I think I've been influenced by studying boards in Joses NAILHOLE !!!!! threads.



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Been checking out some ideas for the 14ft workcar over the weekend.

Got out some of the 1:35 parts & tools etc. I bought a while back.

YEP ! ... Looks like it might have a crane on it !!



Also I made a trailer, without wheels, which I kinda like on the workcar.

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Just for the S&S brothers

You're welcome.

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That reminds me of the ancient Selley "go-devil" crane in HO. I think I have one of the kits around here somewhere (Herb-it used to be Mudge's). That was just the thing for a DC or DCC powered layout; cast white metal with uninsulated wheels and metal axles. However, it wouldn't bother me!

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Hi Si,
I built one of these Airfix jobs when I was a teenager. Its biggest drawback for reliable operation of the ropes was a lack of weight in the hook and the jib to keep tension on the "ropes"

You also might need to beef up the weight in the counterweights as well, so that it is a little "tail heavy" when nothing is "on the hook".

If you can build these bits "heavier" then the crank for operating the rope drums should work a treat with whatever other cabin mods you make to it.

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Hi :wave: Capt. Herbie

Thanks for your exellent crane photo ! ... <<<
Totaly love it.

You could have read my mind Herb (or possibly hacked my computer !?).
A funky 4-wheeler wiv wooden beams, is def. on the ( l o n g ) M.M.M wish list.

What do you think that crane might have been used for ?
The guy-cables look like forward ops. only for the hook.
Small derailments ? or possibly rail laying maybe ?

I've seen a few small narrow-gauge 4-wheelers...
...but not big time B&O type wide-gauge.
The 'chunky' beams look realy cool !

:thumb:

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Wolfgang heaves a bit more junkque on to his workcar ! :mex:

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... crane successfully welded to the floorboards...
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Sgt Si-- I think that one of the end sill beams could be extended (pulled out) and blocked up for a ''pick'' sideways. I imagine that it could lift a length of rail from the side without this, but not much more with out getting tippy. I was too darn tired walking to go over and investigate, as my sons and my best friend had walked the legs off me at this point. Taken at the B&O RR Museum in Baltimore MD-Highly recommended if you are ever in the area-- Easter weekend. More photos coming if I ever get my $##t together. In the mean time, here is another to ''tease'' you.  The EasterBunny (long ears) and Herb (short ears) and my good friend George (hat). Bunny and Herb comparing things, while George looks, with pity in his eyes, Embarrassing. Herb

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Jose is correct. Even a quick glance would indicate that the boom/jib/slanty thing can't swivel.

Even more embarrassing------


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No slewing (swivelling) ?. No problem if welded in China - one quick twist & problem solved.

Si : Herb's B&O crane is interesting. No outriggers & a fixed rear mounted counter weight. Looks like forward ops only, give or take 10 deg or so. But the hook block is substantial.

You might be correct - light re-railing. Or maybe lifting one end of a car to change out a truck ? (would need a twin strop through the hook to balance the lifted car).

Definitely what the MMMM RR Co need !

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Here is another photo from a different angle of the crane that Herb posted:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3250248

It looks like it can swivel a little bit. But I don't see any counterweights.

Edit: and some more: http://www.victorianweb.org/cv/rrmuseums/baltimore/17.html

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Hello Alwin. Looking at your photo link it isn't a counter weight - it's a toolbox with raised lid.

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Hi all
Also nothing stopping you from chaining the non-lifting end down to the rails - Makes a pretty good and effective counterweight when you don't have a counterweight. :bg:

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Correct John - used to be done in the past but I've not seen it done in the UK more recently.

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Hi Herb. :old dude:

Lending your Easter-bunny outfit to that guy was very generous...
...I guess it was tricky taking photos at the museum...
...with the ears flopping down in front of the lens.

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Thanks for all the crane-comments guys !

I have often found myself thinking, when looking at cranes...
...WHAT THE HELL DID THEY USE THAT FOR ??

Of course, the other very useful crane is one with a bucket-loader thingamebob.

Without parallel tracks or some kinda 'yard' situation...
...I guess locomotive-cranes can be of limited use.

Anyway ... I like 'em ... :bg:



Here's a kit of a very unusual prototype I looked at a while back...

...a Billmeyer & Smalls Derrick Car.

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Hi John.  :wave:

I've been looking, so far without success, for some 'decent hanging' cable material...
...nice tip, weighting the hook-pulley thingamebob somehow...
...maybe a metal pulley or sides, gotta check that one out.
Have got plenty of lead around for weighting the trucks & chassis.

- - - - - - -

I was pretty worried about MEKing up the 4 girder jib pieces...
...1 cockup, and you can scratch an entire Airfix kit !!

STYRENE WARP IS MY ARCH ENEMY !!

I went back to check out the enginehouse styrene-brick foundations I made a while back.
UNBELIEVABLE !!
( or "I donnn't beeeleeevie it !" as my nextdoor neighbour says )

One of the 90-deg. sections had warped in on itself, some good few degs. less than 90 !!
AAARRRGGGHHH !!
This was held with big tool-steel pieces + Kgs & lbs weights, for 24-hrs whilst drying...
...the MEK had clearly not hardened after this time.



PHEW ! ... so far, so good ...

Si.

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I do like that 'Billmeyer & Smalls Derrick Car'...
...<<< on the last page !

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You can make an acceptable representation of steel cable with either copper wire or some fuzzless thread shaped as needed and then soaked with ACC. Jose.

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Si, I used "flexible thread" on my Brownhoist. It hangs right, has no fuzz, and a 10 year supply costs about $1.99 USD. This stuff is also used for guy wires on smokestacks, power/phone wires on poles, and other stuff. Imagination. I got mine at a cloth store, comes in black, brown (rusty look), even metallic colors. As the old TV ad suggested..."Try it, you'll like it!".

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Hi Jose.

Thanks for the cabling tip. :thumb:

B.T.W
The 'welding' drooped after I went away to make coffee.
The next day, the hoist had CRASHED DOWN on Wolfgang, who wasn't wearing a hardhat !
I need to upgrade to ACCed 'welding' !! :f:

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Hi Woodie.:cb:

Thanks for that.
I'm gonna check out the bead-threading stand in the £1 store.
I know that coupling-pins, 'finescale'-chain & DINOSAURS can be found there !!

Wolfgang & I haven't started the archaeology yet...
...but I think this £1 'funscale'-set could be buried in some mining scenery somewhere. ???

I might have seen some 1:35 Crystal-Skulls in the bead-threading dept. as well...
...perfect for the full Indiana Jones effect !!

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That 'Mean ol Boss' :f: at M.M.M  (thanks Michael !)  sure likes a bargain !

The crane-kit is a real steal at £8.50p inc. P&P.

I should have said before, that although this kit is originaly from the early '60s...
...Brit-company 'Dapol' currently manufacture it from the old Airfix moulds...
...and very good they are too. :cool:

I mentioned that again, because the Dapol C028 'Diesel Crane' kit, is just begging to be kit-bashed into an On30 crane as well.
The 4 super-nice metal wheelsets & unusual trucks included, are almost worth the asking price on their own.



The total length of the girder-jib section is 6" 150mm by the way... :old dude:
...and the metal wheelsets are 1/2" 12.7mm diameter.

I made the trucks up the other day, pix to follow.

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:slow: ... S L O W L Y ...

... Even more junkque gathers on the deck of the new M.M.M workcar !



The electrical-cabinet Wolfgangs standing behind, was a quick recent project ...
... actualy 2x 'Wills' British Rail trackside relay-boxes.

The gas-tank is from an old WWII 1:72 scale fire-engine ( I think ? ).

The small 'wheel-less trailer' is a 1:35 item by Mirror-Models ( nice ! ) ...
...& comes in a teeny-weeny box of 2 ! ... kinda thing that looks good towed by a Jeep. :Salute:

A lucky cheap-score the other week.
The 2nd one's gonna have WHEELS !! ...
...& yep, yer got it ... is going behind our long suffering but now complete Wileys !

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Oooooo...junque, stuff, & details...Oh my! Now you need some rust, dust, & grime...and maybe more junque. Great.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Thanks !

I'm trying to add parts to the various models each day, as time allows.
As a result of this & better organazzizzed materials ... Rolling stock is ... ROLLING !
Moving forward ... s l o w l y ... :slow: ...

:bg:

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The heavy-duty flatcar might be getting this funky ships hand-winch !?

The last wooden pieces for the heavy-duty flatcars underframe got glued on...
...after the usual ummming & arrring.

I have been looking at what I can do with these ore cars as well.

More ... l a t e r ...

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The main timbers for the heavy-duty flatcar were cut from a 1/4" mahogany plank.

I was a bit :f: to find that after cutting into long timbers, there was 'bananaing' at one point from the plank.

Mmmm ... then I thought, OK let's make the heavy-duty flatcar 'swaybacked' !!
A run-down 30-year old car, that's shifted too many dozers !! ... :cool: cool.

So I found the 'apex' on all my 'straight' timbers ... & made that the centre of the sized timbers.



On previous carbuilds, I had always glued ALL the frame first & then glued the decking...
...On this one I thought I'd try something different, & left the main centre beam to be glued in last.

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The orange ore car might look great with wooden planks on the ends and a pair of nice trucks. How about that?

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Hi Si,
That orange car, if it is your "ore car" looks like it might be an old TRIANG hopper with an operating bottom door. If so keep the operating bottom door and do something like this 2' gauge ballast wagon.



The height and structure of the ore car should be about right - so the conversion should almost be done for you. Just add paint & rust streaks.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

You're right Woodie, I think the end-platforms need planks or plate.
I figured that a steel-chassis could have a wooden deck.

Of course I also thought of the Gilpin ore-cars.

I did try some wood down the side...
...but thought this type of hopper, just didn't look 'right' on a wood-beam chassis...
... dunno, might do ? ... Mmm ... L:

Adding a 'chunky' Plastruct U-channel down the sides looks good...
...kinda 'upscales' the slightly-thin looking frame.

I have figured out, & done, some new mods. to the cast-metal trucks...
...which can now fit, new modern wheelsets.
Photos to follow ...



Hi John :thumb:

Thanks for the photos.
Your model looks pretty cooool :cool:

Yep ! ... You got it ... more 'Tri-ang' !!

First available in 1958 !!
This image from Tri-ang catalogue #4

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Hi Si and all,
My Triang hopper dates from the mid-1960's. It still slumbers in a box outback in the shed.

Looking forward to what you do with yours,

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Either cut the hopper/bin off the underframe & build "Gilpin-esque" wooden ends or put sheet metal on the existing frame extending from the hopper...that was pretty much how the Silver City cars were done. How many of these cars do you have? Here are some of the SC's cars, one is pretty wonky, one has wood planks on the frames, and the rest have sheet metal on the ends.

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Hi Woodie,
Who dropped what into #12 to bend the frames that bad? :bg:

It's going to take a visit to the shop to straighten those frames back flat...

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I currently have 7 of the Triang hopper cars being converted. MDC archbar trucks. Still need to add plate decking to car frames and a bit of weight. Then off to paint shop for weathering. To many other things going on to finish them up at present.

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Howdy John...the frame on #12 developed the warposis due to being outside under the Texas sun for a few years. She's now part of a "wreck scene" on the layout. Odd how some styrene cars built the same way didn't warp while others became wonky while sitting next to each other for the same amount of time. Go figure.

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Hi John.

" Your ore-car looks like it might be an old TRIANG hopper with an operating bottom door. If so keep the operating bottom door "

" My Triang hopper dates from the mid-1960's. It still slumbers in a box outback in the shed. Looking forward to what you do with yours "

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Howdy Woodie.

" How many of these cars do you have ? "

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Hi Ken.

" I currently have 7 of the Triang hopper cars being converted "

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I have got about 9 of these ore-cars.
I figure I can run perhaps 3, 3-cars trains ...
... fulls, empties, & 1 in staging ... OK ops. plan I think !?

The great thing about these ore-cars for me is ...
... that on a foggy-day, someone with bad-eyesight, a couple of hundred yards away ...
... could easily mistake them for a string of Gilpin-Tram 2' ore-cars !!

The width in 1:35 is 4', the length about 15', the height-profile just like a Phase-1 Gilpin car.

I also have a pair of the larger Tri-ang hoppers & a pair of the smaller 4-wheeler ones.
The larger ones are too 'modern looking' to use.
The 4-wheelers may be able to be converted into 'light-duty' ore-cars.
&
Spare 'operating bottom door' mechanisms may be able to be fitted to some M.M.M scratchbuilt ore-cars.

Basicaly, the 'look' & operating feature, is what I like about these ore-cars.



1962 Tri-ang catalogue illustration.

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Hi Ken.

I guess you are planning on using the 'operating bottom doors' on your scheme ??

L:

Thanks for the ideas guys !
All comments most welcome as usual.

Since I have quite a few of these ore-cars ...
... 'variations' due to era & carshop-hacks, would make each ore-car more interesting, if all slightly different.

Long way to go on this can of worms yet .....................

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Si...with the addition of 10 SC cars built by Mr. James Sullivan, The SCPA&M now owns 29 ore cars. A few of them have warped frames due to being outside for decades (really!). These were built from plans by Keith Pashina in the Gazette several years back. Yep, the cars have some differences but all share the same plan.

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The Triang cars were built with and with out the dump feature, have 3 operating dump and 4 solid bottom cars.
The cars are similar to cars built by Vancouver Iron Works
in 1939 and 1950. The car s were used at the Britanna Mine
just outside Vancouver BC. Later the mine was operated by
Anaconda with a 20 car train (40T electric) or two 10 car trains (15T Electric) moving 3500 Tons per day to the mill.
Grand total of just under 2 miles of track 3Foot gauge.

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I did say a while back that the wheels on the early Tri-ang trucks I had were Bakelite ! :shocked:



Well ... they aint !!

Dirt, bad eyesight, poor light ... who knows ?

The Tri-ang wheels were designed to work with 'Super-4' track ...
... which I have heard some say, was the best sectional track system ever made !
Mmm ...

It's true that if an elephant stepped on it, you'd be fine ...
... but it don't look marvelous & has flangeways the width of Route-66 !!

The Tri-ang wheels would be close to 'riding the spikes' on Code-83 & Code-100 rail ...
... so they gotta go.

The main reason for changing them though, is simply that I just gotta see that flash of cold-steel under the cars ...
... there's something major missing without it !

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Si.

Actualy, phenolic-resin is what I meant ...
... but they ain't that either !!

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You'll know it's Bakelite when you take a Moto-Tool cutoff wheel to it and smell...smell the fine aroma of burning $%^ !

It is probably a secret type of material from the way back machine.

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" You'll know it's Bakelite when you take a ... "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

I know what you mean !
The vintage electrical-box in my workshop produces a kinda farmyard aromatherapy, when the Amps are up !!
Smells like pongy-fish or seriously high chicken !

My old Trabant smelled a bit odd at top-speed.
Someone told me they were made from old recycled East-German underpants !

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Something I discovered a short while ago, & am probably the last person in the world to realise...
...is that pretty much all 16.5mm gauge wheelsets, are all 26mm point-point !! :!:

( there are one or two that aint, eg. Lima wheelsets being 24.5mm :f: )

I was a bit worried that since I can't easily get Bachmann On30 wheelsets in Blightey...
...that the 1:35n2 3D-printed truck-frames I bought could be fussy.
They aint !!

Kadee.
Hornby.
Peco.
Dapol.
etc.

All these makers wheelsets fit these trucks just fine...
...& also fit the truck frames that come with the '60s Airfix crane-kit I've been messing with.

Good news !!



Airfix crane main-gear & truck frames.

:moose:

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'Evening Si,

I go away for a couple of weeks & what happens ? - warping crane jibs, disabled employees due faulty 'welding' & burning workshop electrics etc. etc.

Maybe the MMM RR Co need to rethink their Senior Management selection process. Due diligence 'n all that.
If you want to beat the rap (whatever that means ?), looks like you're gonna need a top attorney !.

Meanwhile, how about incorporating something like John's 'Jaxcilliest' combined tipple/dump into the MMM track plan ? Just the sort of traffic brainwave that MMM RR Head Office would come up with - think of all those saved loco miles !.

Cheers,     Michael  (soon be In/Out voting day)




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The new axle-bearings arrived at Mysterious Moose Mountain by railroad shipment from back East.

M.M.M has been impressed by the 'H.K.Rust Bearings Co.' of Glen Mills, Pennsylvania. :P

A strange company name for sure.
Thing is, when they got started, their office had this clunky old Royal-typewriter ...
... which when you hit a 'shift/J' ... sometimes printed an 'R' cos of a sticky-lever !! :Crazy:

Anyways, 'Rust' are a legend as far as quality bearings go ! :bg:



Wolfgang checks out the shipping-crates of new bearings ...

... & finds that they look very much like M3x3mm cup-end set-screws !!

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Hush!

I'm making a fortune flogging those set screws off as bearings!

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Having decided to replace the original Tri-ang wheelsets in both the trucks & 4-wheel underframes I've been modding...
...the first thought was to replace 'like with like'.

The Tri-ang axles are 0.040" stub-end steel.
Call 'em 2mm, if yer don't wanna argue about a gnats-whisker !

Alan Gibson 2mm axles & press-fit wheels of various types, could have done the job...
...bit fiddley though & not easy to fit and/or remove from the axle-boxes.

Mmm...
After more umming & arring...



I then realised that the 'journal' hole is about 2.4/2.5mm, perfect for a 3mm thread.

Without any extra drilling of the Tri-ang axle-boxes, a 3mm tapped-hole is easy to do & a solid result !

Using the 1st 'starter-tap' from a set of 3, gives a 'friction lock' to the M3x3mm cup-ended set-screw...
...& avoids the need for any thread-lock fluid, making adjustment easy.

Simples ! ... Just took me a month to figure it out !!

I can now use any normal modern 16.5mm gauge wheelset, with all the old Tri-ang trucks & underframes.

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I know of a New Mexico railroad-superintendent :cb: who likes a spoked-wheel or 2 !
So do I !

Can't say I've seen them much though...
...perhaps this is because Bachmann & Kadee don't seem to make them ( do they ? ).

The ore-cars will probably get 'solid' wheels, like the D&RGW Griffin, or disc type...
...but the disconnects ^^^ I like the look of with the ( old school ? ) spokes.



The wheelsets I used on the disconnects...
...are by Brit-company Hornby, # R8098

They are 1/2" dia.
Same as Kadee On30 & Bachmann On30 std. wheelsets I believe...
...I have some Kadee ones, but as yet no Bachmann trucks or wheelsets.

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I really like the timber frame cars. That's my kind of rolling stock.
Solid wheels... but the spokes sure look nice. I'm sure that the guys at the shop salvaged those wheels and needed to use them on this project.

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" I'm sure that the guys at the shop salvaged those wheels "

Hi Ken :wave:

The guys at the shop have indeed salvaged a ton of rusty junque !

They also have a couple of bucks to spend on eBay !
( the boss is a mean ol' skinflint ! )

I love building wooden cars ...
... next up, a steel-frame for the crane as well.



Those mailing-tubes I've been hoarding, which my 'chief-advisor' said...

" are cluttering up the place & will never get used "

...came in handy for organising my ramshackle stripwood-collection !

With time at a premium...
...it does help, finding the right materials quickly !

:2t:

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How do you find the mailing tubes????

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Well, I personally like the fe-mailing tubes. Or maybe that is free-mailing tubes. I have some old PVC sewer tubing for "storage". That might be the cause of odd smells coming from stripwood that I am using. Everybody says that my models stink anyway!

Beaudreaux

PS-Si, you might look for Bachmann Thomas Tank Engine spoked wheels. That's what I use. The LHS claims that they can't get them but Bm has them in stock.*****

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" sewer tubing for 'storage'  "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

HOLY COW !
You guys build BIG ! in Texas !

When I saw Orson Welles getting chased by Trevor Howard ...
... I never thought of using the pipes for storage.

There WAS a 3rd-man :cb: ...
... in the shadows, with a large bundle of basswood under his arm !



" Bachmann Thomas Tank Engine spoked wheels. That's what I use "

Well ... Sounds like we're both listening to the same jazz baby !

Hornby ( leading-brand in Blightey ) sell 'Thomas' over here ...
... & I guess the Hornby # R8098 spoked-wheelsets probably come on Thomas' wagons.

The pic. above shows the original Tri-ang spoked-wheels from the swingin' '60s.
Basicaly the underframe I modded for the disconnects ...
... is from a typical British 4-wheel wagon.

Some of these had spoked & others solid wheels.
I've no idea what, why or when.
Perhaps it was to do with loading-weight, or maybe just different railway-company practice.
Michael probably knows about spoked-wheels on Brit. 4-wheelers :brill:

:moose:

Si.

" How do you find the mailing tubes???? "

P.S. Herb ...
... I've got GPS on the mailing-tubes !

( Giant Postal Stickers )

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Si. wrote: "

 

Some of these had spoked & others solid wheels.
I've no idea what, why or when.
Michael probably knows about spoked-wheels on Brit. 4-wheelers :brill:


 

Ahem.....  Yes.

E=mc2, or Efficiency = More Cost as regards RR wheels.

When labour was cheap it was cost effective to prolong the life of a wheel (a costly item) by fitting replacement tyres. However, it requires a lot of skilled effort, time & machining to replace a railroad/railway wheel tyre. It ain't as simple as it may appear.

As axle loadings, speeds & brake kinetic energy heat all increased, the solid disc wheel became the obvious choice - some with replaceable tyres & some tyreless, "throwaway" when worn, monobloc types. Although an expensive item to scrap, monoblocs work out cheaper as compared to current machining/inspection/etc costs.

Si - I've no idea what a U.S. style outfit like the MMMRRCo would have used 'back in the day'.  Whatever was cheaply available I guess. You need proto photos.

My usual fee Si - Sterling cash ONLY (no Euro-cr*p notes).

Michael

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Interesting figures. One looks like a WW2 USAAF ground crewman, and the other looks like a SS trooper with a camo smock on...

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Hi Michael ... ( or Albert, as he's known in the pub ! ) :P

Thanks for your £1s worth on the wheel deal !!
See...
...I really DO learn from all this crap you know Michael.

Re-tireing.
Cost.
Braking heat.
etc.

All makes perfect sense, once someone in the know, spills the beans !

I guess my vauge-guess of...
...spoked = vintage, is more or less true then :dope:



Just bummbleing-along having fun making some cars really.

My previous 1:24 WSLCo. stuff, was made from precise proto. drawings...
...so I didn't have to think much about what was wrong/right ?!

Good experience though.

As the Herb-man says... :old dude:
...Know your proto. car-building techniques; then your 'freelances' look OK.
( or sumtink like dat )

Toodle pip fer now .......

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I seem to remember using a Hula Popper to catch bass, would that still work?

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Ken--LOL'
However, a properly placed half stick of dynamite is easier-and more productive--variety too....

Si--
When are you going to let those figures take a swim in some paint?

Herb

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" When are you going to let those figures take a swim in some paint? "

Hi Herb :old dude:

The identity of my figures needs to be protected, due to NATIONAL SECURITY ...
... Yeah, I know I've heard that B.S. before !



" Weathering ? "

" Dirt ? "

& now

" Clothes ? "

You guys are just so demanding !!

Seriously though...

Herb, I'm trying to make best use of my time.
I've got a TON of figures to paint in fact...
...but spending time on that, doesn't get railroad cars built.

Wolfgang is really my 'scale-ruler' anyhow.
Yesterday he was drenched in coffee.
Last week, showered in ceeegar-ash.
Today ... Who knows ?

When I begun the 1:35 projects, since I was starting with 'nothing' & no R.T.R option even...
...I knew I was in for a long haul.

Having said that, I did think I would try to throw things together, quicker than I have managed.
But I don't seem to be doing things that fast.

Having said THAT...
...it ain't a race ! ... maybe I should just enjoy building at whatever pace comes naturaly ??

Mmm...

L:

Si.

Painting is on the back-burner for now.
Construction, woodwork, couplers, wheels, electronics, kit-building etc. etc. first.

:bg:

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Zoooo-

Der ist more to dis monotone mob dan chust Wolftang.....

Ve must vatch more closely!!! Especially dat von mit der large round ears

You haff been varned!

Herr Bert



(no insult meant to Helmut, Manfred, and our other German friends!)

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Si, here's an "idea"...model a WW2 railroad then you wouldn't need any figure mods, just some flesh-colored paint on heads & hands (they tend to come in gray and olive plastic). Then put em' together...anybody asks questions, just say "It's my @#$%^ railroad, I can do what I !@#$%^ want!!"...
Now, that's real FREELANCING.

WCG

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" model a WW2 railroad then you wouldn't need any figure mods "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Yer wanna buy gun of Rambo !! ??



" just some flesh-colored paint on heads & hands "

It could work...
...just gotta figure out how to do the cool-shades, Mexican-moustaches & jailhouse-tatts.

:mex:

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" Interesting figures. One looks like a WW2 USAAF ground crewman, and the other looks like a SS trooper with a camo smock on... "

Hi Lee :Salute:

Well spotted !

Wolfy is wearing a German WWII flec. camo smock.
I did waffle on, that he was from Stalingrad earlier, but this is not true...
...he is in fact from the 1944 Battle Of The Bulge.

The AAF dude Boris ( clue's in the name here ) is actualy A RUSSIAN !
I'm sure he would be a perfect U.S ground crewman as well though.
He seems to be one of a 2-man crew from a Soviet, U.S supplied, D.U.K.W.



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Figures?

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Dr. Livingstone I presume ...

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Hi Michael :brill:

Thanks for the P.M with your wheel thoughts. :!:

I do like the spoked wheels, for say, the vintage-disconnects & maybe light-duty cars.

& yep ! ... I think you're spot on ol' bean, on the curley-spoke mine-car sorta jazz.

I found some for sale the other day. :bg:



3 different sizes, gotta find out some more info. on these.

Could be good for something ... cool for Gn15 as well !

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@Herr Bert
I always prefer a good joke to political correctness(_!_) - so ramble on

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M.M.Ms heavy-duty flatcar ... Tested to destruction ??

1 brass Ounce
+
1 iron Kilogram
+
30 lb of lead !!

:shocked:

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Mysterious twin-bolster ...
  &
... Coupler pockets.



A cardboard-spacer between the two bolster-beams.

Held whilst PVA sets, by Dave the postmans EXTRA-STRONG Royal-Mail rubber-bands...
...infallible for bundling the daily door-wedge of double-glazing leaflets, special offers & political manifestos !!

:f:

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More miniature woodwork completed...
...thanks to Everest double-glazing, Hillarys curtains, & The monster raving looney party ! :Crazy:



The Tri-ang archbars in the photo haven't had their wheels replaced yet.

The frames & axleboxes in HO-scale, look totaly ENORMOUS !!

But in 1:35n2 ... I really like the size/proportion of the die-casting.

:moose:

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( In unison )

" Can we ride on the miniature train Dad ? "

" Can we ride on the miniature train Dad ? "



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Wolfgangs new 2-footer !



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My goodness...such detailing! Si, you must be building for contests. I await photos of the mortices that the tenons fit into. Nice work.

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" I await photos of the mortices that the tenons fit into."

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Fortunatly I can save THAT prize-winner for the future !
Mmm...

After building a load of freelance underframes...
...I thought I had better have a go at a 'real' one !

So...
...I got started on an underframe for a cutie-pie Gilpin-caboose !



My other underframes ( except for the disconnects ) all have solid end-beams.
The Gilpin-caboose doesn't.

The coupler fits between the main-beams, not under them.
Top & bottom there are cross-pieces ... hence my mini-tenons !!

:moose:

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Howdy Si, all the GT ore cars had ends like that one...not just the caboose.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

OK, time to ask that favour of you; after seeing your Grandt On2 ore-car.

Now I have the trained-termites, eager to munch a few more tenons... :)
...the 2 Gilpin phase-1 ore-car frames I would like to do ... need dooin' !

I stashed enough of the mahogany-beams for these a while back.

But ... Now for the favour.

Woodie, if you have a spare moment...
...could you snap a photo of the underside & inside of your Grandt On2 model.

I have searched high & low on the net for such photos... :us:
...but can only find side & end views.



I have quite a few vintage-photos & line-drawings of these ore-cars...
...but none of them make it clear, what happens as the 4 main-beams pass through ( or not ) the steel hopper.

I would think all 4 beams run end to end.
But it is also possible the centre 2 might be at the ends only ??

The door-mech. is also something I can't quite figure from the info I have.

I'm normaly quite good at interpreting this kind of stuff... ???
...but in this case the info is just not there.

I figure Grandt got it RIGHT !
&
A couple of decent photos will spill the beans !! :2t:

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I thought trying a new method for constructing this Gilpin caboose underframe could be good.

My old On3 & 1/2" underframes were done using dressmakers-pins in soft-board, with a drawing on it.

On this one, I just did the drawing on some scrap thick mounting-board.
The slots cut with a new #10A-blade, hold the caboose underframe-beams correctly.
No complicated pin-array & board needed.



Glueing this underframe using PVA without some kind of jig, ain't really an option.

It looks a bit complex.
But in fact, making the jig took a tiny fraction of the time taken to figure out the dimensions, from the vintage C&S drawings in the first place.

No swaybacking, warping or bowing required on this one thanks !!

:moose:

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Howdy Si, the GT ore cars had end sections that looked like the photo you have (above post). The ends were BOLTED to the "tubs", not end to end and that caused a sagging after a while. The bottom doors were held closed by either a lever mechanism (phase 1 cars like the photo)or by hasps which kept them closed (later cars-phase 2 & 3). I will try to send photos of both cars as you asked but give me a bit, the cars are here & there in boxes and drawers. Grandt Line did the job on phase 1 & 3 cars, whatever they have on them are what the real ones had. I still have kits for both cars but wouldn't part with them (not made anymore?) because then I wouldn't have them! (pack rat syndrome). The photo you have shows a nice model with probably PSC HOn3 "West Side 3 spring trucks" with On2 wheelsets. Very fiddly stuff for years back. The trucks were mentioned to me by the nice guys at CORONADO SCALE MODELS in Phoenix, AZ...they also have many very cool NG parts and know about almost everything narrow gauge.

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Jigs and fixtures need not be elaborate to be a big help in ''manufacturing'' and assembly Si.

Just that slotted piece of card spaces, and positions your beams, for the caboose frame.

The one to assemble the ore car end sub-assemblies will be a little more complex, as will the one to glue those to the steel car body, but some styrene (PVA glue won't stick well to it) and a little thought and you will be right in business.

Si's Car-a-Minute Works. Stand back--the dust will be a-flying!!


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" The ends were BOLTED to the "tubs", not end to end and that caused a sagging after a while "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Thanks very much for that !
That is TOTALY INSANE in my crazy mind !
Who would ever design an ore-car like that !! ??

I looked at the drawings I have again, with this in mind.
The BOLTED join is represented in a couple of them by some dotted lines.
Not all the info I have is a great resolution ... But I can now figure out how to make 'em !

:2t:

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Gilpin Tram large ore car - Grandt Line #3050  ( Phase-2 kit, from eBay )

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Any extra info you have, esp. on the underside, tubs & doors is most welcome Woodie.
I am only really concerned with the older & smaller Phase-1 ore-cars.
I've been collecting pics. on these for a while now ... so no rush, loads of other stuff to do here of course.

:bg:

Si.

" the nice guys at CORONADO SCALE MODELS in Phoenix, AZ "

I used to get my 1/2" parts from them ... back in the day. :P

" many very cool NG parts and know about almost everything narrow gauge "

Nice guys ! :thumb:

( not wiseguys ! )

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" a little thought and you will be right in business." :!:

Hi Herb.
Thanks for the words from the wise ! :old dude:

The car-building jig is great for the joints...
...the 'Deliverance' style banjo-music makes for a good workout ! :rah:

TWANG !

" Si's Car-a-Minute Works. Stand back--the dust will be a-flying!! "

I'm ON IT Herb !! ... :slow: ... :slow: ... :slow: ...

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The jig & underframe beams from the last page fit together pretty good. :thumb:

:moose:tastic !!

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Now who would have thought that the frame beams were fastened to the ends of the hopper ?!. Could it have been to lower the centre of gravity on dodgy-ish track ??

Keep going Si.  You must have a really small tool to make those mini-tenons (!).

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I like that jig. I wasn't sure how it worked until I saw the second photo of it.

Thanks for the caboose drawing!

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" Now who would have thought that the frame beams were fastened to the ends of the hopper ?!.
Could it have been to lower the centre of gravity on dodgy-ish track ?? "

Hi Michael :wave:

I think you must be right.
C.O.G with a hopper on top of a frame, has to have been the concern.

The idea that a string of 10 cars, is pulled by the hopper/tub bolts IS NUTS !!
Musta worked though !!

:Crazy:

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Tisk Tisk, Si

No political posts remember?

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Si, FYI the Silver City ore cars were built by Lima-same company that did the GT cars-and while the SC cars had roughly the same size ore tubs, those cars differed in that they had full length steel I beam underframe members. Maybe the SC looked at the GT cars and wanted better or who knows?

Woodie



Some Silver City cars in the yards. One has a bent frame due to heating up the styrene beams...unprototypical.

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The idea that a string of 10 cars, is pulled by the hopper/tub bolts IS NUTS !!
 

Exactly so Si - you would expect the hopper ends to be pulled out of shape. Might there have been some sort of angled draft rod/bar (s) running under the hopper floor between each end of the car?.

Woodie's SC cars look to be much better engineered, if not heat proof !

Carry on rewardless,  Michael

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" Tisk Tisk, Si

No political posts remember? "



Whooops ... SORRY HERB !

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" I like that jig. I wasn't sure how it worked until I saw the second photo of it.
Thanks for the caboose drawing! "

Hi Ken. :wave:

Thanks !
I've got a few more pix. for posting...
...just gotta get a round tuit ! :P

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" the Silver City ore cars were built by Lima-same company that did the GT cars-and while the SC cars had roughly the same size ore tubs, those cars differed in that they had full length steel I beam underframe members. Maybe the SC looked at the GT cars and wanted better or who knows? "

Howdy Woodie. :cb:

If I checked my facts, I might have a better idea ... but ...
I believe the GT-cars were built a good few years before the SC-cars; right ?

My dumb ass just thinks steel is more mooooodern than wood...
...and welding more mooooodern than rivets.
( it's a theory anyway ! )

Great ore-cars Woodie !
I love the photo & the way they all look slightly different.

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" you would expect the hopper ends to be pulled out of shape. Might there have been some sort of angled draft rod/bar (s) running under the hopper floor between each end of the car? "

Hi Michael. :mex:

It is a thought; but I actualy don't think so.

The shear amount of heavy-bracing, above the underframe, at each end of the hopper; always looked totaly wierd & wrong to me...
...untill Woodie came out with the bolted subframe story.

Then it suddenly made perfect sense !
All that heavy-bracing aint there to 'support' the hopper...
...it's there to provide much more area & strength for the bolts to the hopper.

I dunno if it's just me...
...but the Gilpin Tram ore-cars just look kinda 'wrong' & 'wierd'...
...that's exactly, I think, why they have a kinda pretty unique look about them.

The designer at Lima musta bin a trainee !! ;)

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Hi Si,
Have a look at this poor old Aussie coal hopper with full length beams for inspiration


and the end frame bracing


The drawhooks were linked by a rod that passed between the two central beams. The hopper doors were hinged from these centre beams on each side and were latched at the side beams. The central cavity and the top of these beams were protected by a steel deflector plate.

On this wagon the doors were held in the closed position by a chain, but the Gilpin Tram wagons used a locking lever that was rotated and pinned against the car side when the doors were in the closed position,

More on this coal wagon when we get to standard gauge wagon designs for Corrimal Colliery

For your inspiration,

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Poor thing deserves better-----

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Hi John. :wave:

I'll 2nd Herb on that !

Thanks for the pix.
Interesting car.
I actualy have a pair of HO steel 4-wheelers, I'm pondering at present .. ??

Your pix. much like an ol' Tri-ang Brit. 4-wheeler underframe.



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The thick mounting-board jig holds the long beams pretty good...

...while the cross timbers are PVAed in place.



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The good thing about this 'simple' jig, over the old 'pins in softboard' ones I've made in the past...

...is you can very easily remove the frame during or inbetween glue stages, for glue cleanup etc.



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Next up...

...the truck bolsters & then the decking.



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Hi again John.

Thanks for the prod ! with your 4-wheeler proto.photos.

I did actualy shunt a couple of these old Tri-ang hoppers into the 'mod.squad' spur a while back.



Sorry about the (eBay) picture; I just thought I'd post it as a guide.

What we need of course, is a snap of Wolfy & the hopper on it's WHEELS & track !!

Anyways ... It has the potential for a decent 1:35n2 mod./bash.

The car has the SOOOOPER COOL Tri-ang working drop-bottom unloading as well !!

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Hi Si
Now just suppose...
You go over the bin one way with the bottom door trailing
AND
you can trigger the bottom door by the engaging the side trip lever and keep it engaged...
If you trip the side lever in the right spot, the wagon contents will land in the bin where they should...
NOW..
if you can keep the trip lever engaged, and build a suitable actuator (think servo/solenoid) to lift the drop flap
and then release the tip lever with actuator activated, the bottom door is now raised and locked.
Lower the actuator and you are ready to drive forward and dump the next wagon :2t::)

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Hi John.

I think it's possible to do this using the standard Tri-ang unloading track-section. L:

My box of ol' swingin' '60s Tri-ang junk, has various wagons & locos etc. ...
... but NOT this track section; since I never had any of these ore-cars, way back when.

I was very envious of these cars as a kid, but never had any.
Looking at an old catalogue a while back reminded me of them, & I've since scored my ore-cars on eBay.
( I only had 5 Shillings a week pocket-money back then; Now I have £1.50p !! ) :P



I haven't bought the unloading track-section though.
The rail is kinda CHUNKY.
It looks a bit 'train-sety'
& I figure I can make my own... :!:
...when I get a round tuit.

The Tri-ang unloading system is a true work of GENIUS ! :brill:
Simple.
Cheap.
Reliable.

I have seen also the Fleishmann unloading hoppers.
But never had a go at them.
They look too European, and are very rare & expensive anyway.

I have also a 3rd type of Tri-ang working ore-car as well.
It can't be used at all 'as is', It doesn't look right; too big & mooodern.
( it does have rivets though ) :bg:
So...
...I've started cutting & modding 2 of them. photos to follow.

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:mex: Si amigo ... automatic unloading !



1962 Tri-ang Railways catalogue illustration

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<<< Continued from previous page.

Description of Tri-ang automatic unloading. :mex:





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Howdy Si, are you going to dump from one car to another like the instructions? If so, how about from a NG car to a waiting standard gauge hopper below. Just something else to build....

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Howdy Woodie. :cb:

I did wonder if I could unload from one car to another.
Or maybe to a barge.
Perhaps to an ore-bin.

Mmm ... ? L:

I had sketched a trackplan for a mine-area I quite liked...
...just before deciding to try and use the operating ore-cars. :!:

So this very rough thumbnail drawing doesn't incorporate any 'unloading' as such.



Anyway, no great rush at the moment.
My spare time is going on the carbuilding etc. first. :thumb:

Who knows, when I've got more 'wheelie' things...
...it could be time to bash some benchwork together ! :P

:moose:

Si.

P.S. My 'setrack' test-track is working out pretty good for now...
...problems with the Shay though; as I thought there would be !
( slightly tight radius ... Hornby inner-curve sections ... sigh !! )

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Hi Si,
Have you tried running the Shay with the driveshaft on the outside of the curve?
A quick search lists Radius 1 as 371mmm = 14.6"
Radius 2 = 438 mm = 17.2 mm

From a datafile of locomotives put together for the On30 Conspiracy Yahoo Group, the following criteria are used
"The “Practical Operating Radius” specs are known to work with each piece of equipment
listed.
The “Absolute Minimum Reported Radius” info is the lowest successful radius reported,
but is NOT RECOMMENDED, except under EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. As the curve radius gets tighter, the more critical it becomes to make sure that your trackwork and rollingstock is mechanically perfect. If you are prone to taking shortcuts when laying your
track and tuning locos/cars, or are not mechanically inclined, do yourself a favour, don’t “push the envelope”, try to get the largest “Minimum Radius” you can."

Now having said that the Practical Operating Radius for the 0n30 Shay is listed at 18" radius and the Absolute Minimum Reported radius is 15".

Now what actually sets the minimum radius for the Shay is that the square section of the driveshafts bottom out in their sleeves.

A suggestion - for a track that only hooks the one way like yours mostly does in your plan, you might be able to file a "smidgeon" off the length of the driveshafts. Just be careful how much you take off or your dive shaft might fall out on the opposite curve or on straight track if you remove too much length.

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Hi John.

Thanks for that.

On the Hornby inner-radius, as you say, 14.6" ...
... the Shay will 'partly' run.
The front-truck ( shorter ) drive-shaft 'pops out' though ...
... when running cylinders on the OUTSIDE of the radius.

I got these curves for a continuous-run test-track.
The only thing I won't be able to 'test' is the Shay.
( I ain't planning a 1:35n2 U.P.'Big Boy' any time soon !! )

My Porter, cars, Athern-chassis etc. etc. are all OK.

Don't worry John !
I have decided to draw & make curves/switches all at 18" when the time comes ...
... shelf-layout style.

I figure it just ain't worth the agro. thinking 15 or 16" MIGHT be OK.
The 18" curves WILL be OK !

The Hornby curves were new, but VERY CHEAP on eBay.
I had thought about fixing them to a simple board.
But they are so easy to put together/take-apart, why bother ?
Mmm ... ?

I've never had a 'Train Set' before ...
... it's kinda FUN !!

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Si, the 15" min radius is probably prudent. I had one place on the old layout with about 13" r and the Shays really didn't like it! Early on, I replaced the driveline parts (sliding boxes and universal joints) with PSC parts made for their 13 ton Shay. Whatta job that was but what a difference it made! After all these years, the plastic gear train wore out, Bachman has new gears available, I would suggest getting some for "the future". These gears are for the gearbox, not the drive pinions. Years ago, a certain Mr Kephart made me some sets of brass pinions...before NWSL or Bachmann had replacements. After all the new gears, the locos run like they did 15 years ago...very nice.

Ta ta...
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oztrainz wrote:
Hi Si,
Have you tried running the Shay with the driveshaft on the outside of the curve?

Now what actually sets the minimum radius for the Shay is that the square section of the driveshafts bottom out in their sleeves.
...


What I forgot to add about the driveshaft bottoming out only applies when the cylinders are on the inside of the curve.

You've already found out what happens if the cylinders are on the outside of the curve on tight curves - you run out of length on the internal square-section driveshaft. On tight curves the bogies turn further and more length is required from the driveshaft. Eventually you reach a point of no more driveshaft length available and the drive shaft falls out of its retaining collar :bang:

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" Years ago, a certain Mr Kephart made me some sets of brass pinions "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

I hear Kephart Ltd. are the Rolex of railroading !!

I can imagine Herb living atop an Alp, making precision mechs. :brill:

I can't wait to see the video of your boiler door opening...
...& the Cuckoo flying out on a spring !!

;)

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" What I forgot to add about the driveshaft bottoming out only applies when the cylinders are on the inside of the curve "

Hi John :wave:

They are probably doing both a bit of 'bottoming' as well as 'popping' !

My test wasn't rocket-science...
...a 10 second countdown was enough to determine :td: a bogie bogie !!

I'm sure that the Bachmann Shays ain't made 'exactly' the same over the years.
I'm not even gonna DREAM of a radius less than 18" !

I'll live with the test-track though...
...just not running the Shay.

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''I can't wait to see the video of your boiler door opening...
...& the Cuckoo flying out on a spring !!

But dagnabbit--that was to be a surprise--

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Now for a cigar & some Swiss cheese Gromit !



Well...
...Hornby OO in fact...
...veeeery moooodern !

Anyone seen 'The Wrong Trousers' ?
Gromits sectional-track laying is phenomenal  :shocked:
BAD PENGUIN !

- - - - - - -

A little while back, I thought I'd look for some sectional-track on eBay.
Decided on 'Hornby', just because it's the most popular brand in the UK really.
There is actualy quite a roaring-trade in this stuff on eBay !!

Due to the fact that we're all still paying for the bankers 2008 Porsches & holidays in Monaco...
...I was looking for a cheap deal !

Found a guy with some VERY cheap Hornby inner-curves eventualy.
Mmmm ? I thought.
If you've got a circle of track...
...you can make either a circle, or a wiggley line !
What if you've got TWO circles worth ??

So I started scribbling on the back of an envelope...
...and then drew all these potential tracks on my difference-engine !



I didn't bother drawing a circle, we know what they look like.

This is what you can make with 1 1/2 or 2 circles worth of track sections.

I threw in a couple of straights, which I don't have, for fun as well.

Seems pretty simple huh ?
I was quite surprised what you can do though, once I drew out the geometries.

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Si.

I think I spotted ALL the main paterns ??

Wiggely lines are or course another story !!

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First one, bottom row. But probably horrendous grades.

Get busy, but don't forget to release the parking brake before you blast off (another chuckle from Wallace & Gromit)


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" probably horrendous " :old dude:

Hi Herb.

Absolutely ALPINE !!



My 1:35n2 loading gauge is 4"

( 3.5" if yer wanna head shave ! )

The circle gives 46" of track.

So basicaly a 10% grade !!

( 9% if yer a 'glass half full' guy ! )

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"This amplifier goes to 11!"

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" This amplifier goes to 11!   Rock on Si "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Yep ! ... Much better than the ones that only do 10 !



Not easy to fit the speaker into a locomotive though !

As you can see this one was previously owned by Pete Townsend !!

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Not easy to fit the speaker into a locomotive though !

Jeezz! Go to a larger scale!. Why I always have to do all the thinking?.
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@Si
are these the trousers you are referring to?

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I really appreciated the track-laying course. So ,much better than our archaic way!
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pipopak wrote: I really appreciated the track-laying course. So ,much better than our archaic way!
Jose.


And no need for ballast, scenery, wiring, benchwork etc. etc. The obvious way to go really.

Hello Si: we are temporarily back home at the 'ole ranch so I have a chance to catch up with FR. How's them hopper wagons going ?.

Last Festival had too many idiots (sorry, "musicians") who really were trying to twist their knobs beyond 10 (in a manner of speaking !).

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Yep...just remember that if you run r/c with onboard batteries, you don't need track or even a layout. Place the loco on the floor or a table and imagine the rest. Who needs a train layout anyway?

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Woodie:
here is your dream prototype:

Jose.

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Hi guys.

Bad news at M.M.M data-centre !
Massive power-surge has taken out P.C & T.V
So on cellphone 'thumb-type' for now...
...AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH ! ! ! !

Jose, thanks for the brainwork ... Yep ! ... Larger scale !
( my 1:12 figures are yet to make an appearance )

Helmut, thanks for the wrong trousers !! ??

Woodie, you R.C dudes are nutier than mad-professors !!

Michael, pleased to hear you survived phase 1 of festival frolicks !
Pace yourself ... Phase 2 is always harder !!

Ta ta fer noo
Thumbs hurt
OUCH !

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grrr... sure seems that the power company should be responsible for that. I've lost too many fridges and freezers to brown outs here. grrr...

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Power companys

        
And that's only the beginning----


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The problems you are reporting were common in Turkey some ten years ago..and I thought that country was one of those slowly emerging from the third-world status.. ( brownout problems are now obsolete, although we do have some clean cutouts every now and then, but allaha şükür not very long-lasting)

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Hi Helmut.

Thanks for your reassurance !

As I de-soldered the incinerated electronic-components from my TV-DVD recorder...
...I was pleased to know they were burned-out by the Tooth-Fairy !!

;)

I did actually manage to repair it... :thumb:
...the massive power-surge had not got to the main microchips etc.
The power input was TOAST though !

Gonna have a go at the P.C when Dave the postman :cool: brings the new power-supply.

Anyway...
...Buddy Patrick gave me a Mac-computer for now.

Haven't got a clue how it works & can't do $4!t on it...
...but we'll have a go a posting a couple of Tri-ang ore-car photos !

:moose:

Good luck
This Mac self-destructs in 5 seconds.....

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Hi guys :wave:

This is probably gonna come out all wrong.

I see what all the Mac users are on about with the Freerails 'gallery-button' on a Mac...
...THERE ISN'T ONE !

L:

Michael, the hoppers & others car-builds are rolling forward s l o w l y since you asked.
This Tri-ang R137 hopper is the last of the 3 types I've been messin' with.
Can't figure out how to get my cellphone or camera to work with the Mac-computer...
...so here's a pic. from the net.



Fingers crossed !!

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Mmm...



Well it seems to look OK here in 'Mac-view' :Crazy:

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That looks way too seriously well engineered for the (presumably) impecunious MMMRRCo. There must be more stanchion rivets in that R137 than in the rest of the (future) MMMM fleet put together.

London power surge eh ?. Down here we're lucky if we get UP to the supposed standard line voltage.

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" There must be more stanchion rivets in that R137 than in the rest of the (future) MMMM fleet put together."

Hi Michael :mex:

R137 was eventualy sunk off the coast of Norway in 1942...
...the stanchion rivets held out untill the bitter end !!



I don't have the roof/doors part for my 2 hoppers, which is no big deal.

I managed to seperate the hopper from it's Tri-ang welded on underframe...
...by grinding off a dozen stanchion rivets !!

;)

Next.

I think the 2 end sections need to come off, shortening them to 8 sections long.

Then 2 new underframes made.

It's a bit of a Frankenstein-job...
...but it could look OK, and I got 'em sitting here anyhow.

So why not try a spot of modding ? :us:

Pix. to follow.

:moose:

Si.

" London power surge eh ?. Down here we're lucky if we get UP to the supposed standard line voltage."

Don't worry Michael; they might get Hinkley Point C finished & running in 20 years or so !! :Crazy:

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Si. wrote: Next.

I think the 2 end sections need to come off, shortening them to 8 sections long.:us:


Ahem...  Why not cut out the MIDDLE & leave those lovely stanchioned ends intact ?.

Hinkley ..... will that come with flied lice or beansprouts ? . Thankfully it's quite a long way away from 'ere.

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Si-why not make new bodies from styrene and punch the rivets in. Seems like a much easier way to go than cutting, fitting, and cussing! But then, I always do things the hard way...

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Howdy Woodie :cb: & Michael :brill:

" Why not make new bodies from styrene and punch the rivets in. Seems like a much easier way to go than cutting, fitting, and cussing! "

" Ahem...  Why not cut out the MIDDLE & leave those lovely stanchioned ends intact ? "

The only reason I'm messing with these cars, is they have the AWESOME Tri-ang operating unloading-doors.



So
Sorry Michael, I can't cut out the MIDDLE ( stanchions or not ol' bean ! ).
&
Woodie, new bodies from styrene might be an option, if the unloading-doors could be fitted.

" But then, I always do things the hard way... "

I am wondering if the Tri-ang operating unloading-doors could be 'transplanted' to a correctly sized Gilpin Tram type phase-1 ore-car tub ! ?

I figure THAT IS the hard way !

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Si.

" Hinkley ..... will that come with flied lice or beansprouts ? "

I don't know Michael.
It could be difficult to operate though, with the control-panel legends in French & Chinese ! ???

 " Thankfully it's quite a long way away from 'ere."

Damn bad luck ol' boy, you'll probably get a voltage-drop !! :f:

;)

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Si. wrote:

I am wondering if the Tri-ang operating unloading-doors could be 'transplanted' to a correctly sized Gilpin Tram type phase-1 ore-car tub ! ?

I figure THAT IS the hard way !
  

Damn bad luck ol' boy, you'll probably get a voltage-drop !! :f:

;)


Si: the Triang mech looks to be located on just 3 rivets. Drill out the rivet centres, bend the end locating tabs to suit your intended MMMRR hopper angle & the job's a good 'un or proper job as uz sayz down yere.

Rather the occasional winter yellow lighting effect than radiation droop. Having seen various bits of technical kit 'built' by those two nations I think we'll move to Lands End.

Regards,            Michael

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I've heard that the electric power for Lands End, comes through a   l  o  n  g extension cord---is that true?


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" the Triang mech looks to be located on just 3 rivets "

Hi Michael  :wave:

You're right, I 'counted' 3 as well  ;) ;) ;)



I can't determine though, how many stanchion-rivets there are on an R137 :f:

A FREAKIN' LOT ! basicaly :shocked:

BTW ... thanks guys.
I know you all like photos of rusty, grimey old crap from the back of the garage !
I do welcome ideas !
I almost always fail to see the best look for things at first.
It's fun getting there though !

:moose:

Si.

" Having seen various bits of technical kit 'built' by those two nations I think we'll move to Lands End "

Probably a wise move Michael.

Having said that...
...I think they've spent £2,000,000,000 on the worlds LARGEST concrete-block, for it to stand on !!

( & buttering-up bureaucrats in Brussels of course ! )

Now THAT'S a lot of cement !

L:

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Herb Kephart wrote: I've heard that the electric power for Lands End, comes through a   l  o  n  g extension cord---is that true?


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Basically 'Yes' Herb , but it's really a bungy cord - if you don't pay your bill on time .......WHIZZ....K'BOING !

Si: the size of the hole they've dug, & the volume of concrete in it is worrying ..... is there something they know that we don't ??

Regards,    Worried

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Si, well how about "copying" the Tri-Ang door mechanisms...made from brass sheet or even styrene...?
Rivets? Model the SCPA&M because their ore cars appear (to me) to be welded and just a few nuts & bolts holding stuff together. The door mechanism also looks similar to what GT & SC used on their cars. Heck, I'd make the mechanism over myself, you can do that. Then make or adapt the thing which opens the doors. Or do what I did and forget it all and make a rotary dumper, less "engineering" I would imagine.

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But, Mr Greene, Sir, - he can't use a rotary tippler unless his MMMRRCo splashes out on them new fangled self contained oil lube axle boxes, otherwise all the 'lube grease will run out as he tips them *rse over t*t (English expression for upside down, I'm sure you have a similar analogy).

Just helpin'.

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Yep, he will need journal box covers or maybe just a "grease monkey" kid with a pail of the nasty stuff ready to re-lube the boxes. More details...more...

Woodie

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Hi Herb.

I'll 2nd your call on electricity-companies (_!_)(_!_)(_!_)(_!_)(_!_)

I did miraculously manage to mend the digital TV-DVD unit, after the major POWER SURGE here :shocked:

My P.C power-supply had also blown-up...
... thankfully a new one fixed the problem & 'puter-chips were not DEEP FRIED !

Still on the darn Mac from matey Patrick though.
Still can't find the Freerails 'gallery' button...
...but have got my cellphone to work with the Mac :thumb:



So here is the underframe for the 14ft Gilpin Caboose so far.
The simple construction-jig worked a treat !

:moose:

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The decking for the Gilpin Tram caboose is different to other wood used so far.

I've tried to mix it up a bit, so all the cars end up looking a bit different.

Once distressed & painted, the light/dark woods will merge ( I hope ! )
But the grain & coarseness of the different woods should still show through.



I haven't bought stripwood for a while, as I have quite a stash !
But gonna need a few new sizes shortly.

'AlwaysHobbies.com' for UK builders, looks like a good supplier for wood.
Lots of sizes/types & prices seem OK ... I'll probably try them.

They've got some nice walnut listed !!

:pimp:

Any U.K peoples know any other good current suppliers for stripwood etc. ???

:moose:

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Greetings Si:

My life motto is "Never buy unless you can't find/scrounge/adapt summat for nowt" - no need for fancy, expensive strip wood 'specialists'.

1) 'Practical' model aeroplane shops (not plastic kit vendors) usually have a wide size/quality range.

2) Some Builder's stores have a rack of beadings/mouldings/strip at trade prices & often small eneough for model use.

3) Wilkos (Wilkinsons) & £-Shops (yeah, I know, you wouldn't be seen dead in there) can have packets of 'seed sowing' wooden indicator strips at £1 a throw - eneough for umteen wagons.

4) Try Starbucks - avoid their brown sludge but their stirrers are excellent; serve 'em right for avoiding paying UK tax.

5) I use lollipop sticks (excellent warp resistance) a lot - free off the streets. Take a look at the current "Salada Wagon Works" topic - all the sole bars & frames (chassis) are pre-used lollipop sticks !!  (not sure what flavour they originally were).

Regards,      El Cheapo  (aka Michael)

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Si-Great ''save'' by fixing the electronics yerself!

Also, all the lollypop sticks that Salada uses don't come off the streets. It's rumored that he is partial to the green lollys, 'cause they remind him of all the money that he is saving. Just saying.

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I bought a package of a zillion (at least) coffee stirrers off ebay for a pittance. They also have tongue depressors (depression in tongues seems to be a problem lately).
Otherwise, I make my own strip wood. A nice clear pine or cedar board is fairily inexpensive compared to buying stripwood. A cheap bandsaw will make all the strips you want. Maybe a local friend or hobby club would have a saw you could use. You can cut a mountain of various sizes in a short time.

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I bought a box of 1000 of them for less than ten bucks.

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Herb Kephart wrote:  It's rumored that he is partial to the green lollys, 'cause they remind him of all the money that he is saving. Just saying.

Herb


Ha Ha !!   The Queen's currency ain't sort of faded olive-green like your greenbacks. We have different colours AND we have different size notes for different value notes (like most other sensible countries around the world).

Being a Limey (sort of) I do like green flavour though.

Regards,               Michael

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Hi guys :wave:

WOW ! ...
... never thought that question 'wood' have stirred up so much comment ;)
Thanks.

As far as I can tell, the CCTV in my local Ronald McDonalds is pointed at the cashout area...
...the coffee-stirrers are on the wall to one side.
I've got 'one or two' in the M.M.M parts-box !!

YES ! ... I was looking at the gardening lolly-sticks in Wilko the other day Michael !

Ken, I haven't suffered from tongue-depression, since I stopped drinking coffee at Starbucks.

When I'm feeling brave, I have used my rip-saw for miniature-wood duties !
The main beams for this underframe were cut from a 1/4" mahogany-plank.

:moose:

Si.



Image courtesy of the U.K police.
Thought to be of M.Salada leaving Starbucks with a 1000 board-feet of tax-free lumber !!

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... just sold the last roll to Mr Greene "


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Shock Horror !!   Call the Style Police !!!  Si seen shopping in Wilcos !!!

(for our U.S./Aussie/Kiwi cousins, Wilcos makes Walmart look really smart & up-market; only the great unwashed shop in W's) (& unemployed bass players)(& railway modellers).

Typical UK Police photo of me, must be about 50 years out of date.

Regards,             Michael

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The underframe building has been a bit of a juggling act !

I wanted the cars I've been building to all look subtly different from one another.
Second-hand, sourced from other railroads, cobbled together from spares in the carshop etc.
( & they pretty much have been !! )

It's all been down to achieving a consistent coupler-height...
...not as easy as it sounds !

With about 4 types of trucks, 3 or 4 different types of wheels, several thicknesses of bolsters & couplers mounted either under or inbetween the main car beams...
...you can see where the juggling has come in to it.

The wheel dia., truck-height & bolster-thickness, all effectively moving the final coupler-height up/down.

They had to 'look right' as well as operate correctly also.

The Gilpin Tram underframe above^ & my freelance disconnect trucks below, have been the 'odd bods', as the other cars have the couplers mounted beneath the frames.



I'm yet to mess with the Tri-ang ore-cars on this score...
...but I'm confident they will work out OK.

:moose:

Si.

With that insanity gone OK...
...I thought I'd take a break & I've been messing with some new PECO 'crazy-track' & some BUILDINGS !! this weekend.
Pix. soon !
Later ...............

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Hey Si, Love the name of your layout, looking great. Two foot or smaller, my favorite types of railroading. I'm having the same problem with mismatched cars, may go to chains over a steel pin on my layout.
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Si :  I thought the MMMMMRRCo was going to be Link & Pin (about 200 Posts ago) ??

Regards,              Michael

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" I thought the MMMMMRRCo was going to be Link & Pin (about 200 Posts ago) ?? "

Hi Michael :mex:

About 200 posts ago...
...My psychiatrist threw himself out of a 13th floor window, when I said I'd considered using link-n-pins !!

So knuckles it was !

I already had some Kadee On3 & O-scale couplers here to check out.
I felt that the O-scales looked too big for 1:35 narrow gauge...
...& the On3s looked too small.

Eventually I found a supplier of the San Juan Car Co. 'Evolution' couplers in Blightey...
...& the rest, as they say, is history.

John reassured me that 3/4 size knuckle-couplers were a common thing...
...I had somehow been mislead before into thinking only 11" & then 12" ones had been used in the U.S. ( I'm sure they were on std. gauge & big D&RGW 3ft ).



I am absolutely DELIGHTED with the San Juan 'Evolutions'.
They are the best designed model couplers I've ever seen.
I.M.O totaly perfect for 1:35n2 scale.

They also happen to be a zillion times easier to mount on scratchbuilt cars, than Kadees...
...which you pretty much HAVE to use their draft-box to make work.

The San Juans have a very simple mounting-hole & side springs.
The Kadees have a complex shank & a square-hole, requiring a seperate metal centering-spring and matching draft-box.

I would say the San Juans are gonna be a zillion times easier to fit to locos as well, due to this.

I'm a happy :moose:

Si.

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Oh why have you forsaken link & pin couplers? Expiring minds want to know.....


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Unexpectedly the Tardis lands in the time of Buster Keaton 'The General' & Lincoln-pins !

" Oh my god Doctor ... it's THEM again ! "


EXTERMINATE !! ... EXTERMINATE !!



" Run for it !!!!! "

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OMG, UFOs join the RR lands. Now I need to hunt up an old 'valve' I suppose.








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See yer all there !


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" WHEN THE BAG OF SPAGHETTI-SAUCE IN YOUR SHIRT EXPLODES
DROP THE RIFLE ... DRAMATICALLY !!
& FALL OFF THE ROOF IN FRONT OF THE CHARGING MEXICAN HORSEMAN ! "

" Pay him an extra 10 bucks for this one; it could be tricky "

" OK Sam "

" AND WHERE THE HELL IS THE KODAK GUY ?
I'M SICK OF ALL THIS BLACK & WHITE CRAP !
THIS IS HOLLYWOOD !!!!! "

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Welcome to BIG-hat country Amigo !! :mex:

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I've been messing about with this adobe-building for quite a while now...
...for THREE YEARS ! in fact !

It's been on the shelf in my kitchen since 2013, when Brit-kit company 'Airfix' kindly re-released this model, previously unavailable since 1980.

It first appeared in the Airfix line in 1973, as part of their large-scale soldiers range.

As a nipper, back in the '70s, I had a different building from this series & some large-scale figures, for my bedroom-floor Battle Of The Bulge !

I would dearly have liked, for nostalgia reasons, to work the 1971 release building I had as a kid, into my current scheme of things somehow.
But sadly, however much I look at the building I had in the '70s, I can't see any way to make it work for Mysterious :moose: Mountain.

So this one it is !

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" I didn't know Wolfgang had fought at the Alamo."

Hi Michael. :cb:

Neither did I.

Wolfy WAS John Waynes stunt-double, for his lumbering 1960 epic though.
John Ford didn't think Wolfgangs gait was correct for the part.
But after Wayne packed Ford off on 2nd-unit duties, Wolfy & The Duke got along famously.

Anyway, that little gig got Wolfy his current job with Peckinpah, on 'Pat Garret & Billy The Kid'.
Don't worry, he'll be fine.
He's been shot to pieces by bad-guys, trampled by horses & fallen off more buildings than he can remember.

:moose:

Si.

BTW Michael, it's ' iPad ' NOT ' I-Pad '
Apple would be most upset if you don't get their branding correct.
& young, hip, cool kids like Madame S. might think you're just not moooodern enough.

;)

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This building had flummoxed me for a good few years !

It had started to appear 'weathered' as well.
Mainly from getting splattered with coffee & showered in ceeegar ash.
It had developed quite a dusty look also, being on the kitchen shelf for so long...
...although it wasn't very desert looking, more kinda fluffy !

Outta the box, the building has a foundation of a tad under the size of an A4 sheet of paper.
Quite BIG actually, when you see it in front of you.
That's 1:35 scale for you !

So I finally thought RIGHT you're gonna get a bit more tumble-down TODAY Mr. smart-ass adobe building !
Enter the Special-Effects Dept. ...
...for a spot of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION !!

In the photos there's a piece of tape with a line marked.
There seemed only 1 sensible place to chop it.
Looking at the roof support timbers, suggested where that was.
So I cut a chunk out, reducing the footprint by a nice amount.

It got the ball rolling on this one.
It looked completely different after this.
I may take out about another 1" as well.
Also I felt there weren't enough roof timbers, so these are going to get doubled up.

:moose:

Si.

More mud brick mayhem ... s o o n . . .

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Dave the postman :cool: screeched to a halt outside this morning...
...van door flies open like a jack-in-the-box, showering the driveway with Her Majesties Royal Mail rubber-bands; as usual !

" Wotcha cock, haz it 'angin' mate ? "

" Erm ... OK I guess Dave "

Dave hands me a long prism shaped parcel, that looks like the worlds largest Toblerone chocolate-bar.

Arh ! ... My PECO Crazy-Track had arrived !!

After a rummage around in the back of the van...
...Dave finds a cube-shaped parcel as well, & puts it on top of the giant Toblerone !
Reminded me of something from Kubricks 2001, but I can't think what.

Turned out to be some funky '50s diecast trucks I'd scored on eBay.
Nice !

I quite like the look of the PECO Crazy-Track.
I was getting sick of seeing my car-builds with HO sized ties.

The trucks are pretty nice too, kinda pedestals on wood, old-school styleee.
Sorta like Herbs photo from the B&O Museum, of some vintage hardware.

:moose:

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STEAM UP !! :thumb:

No1 spot Porter, clanks along the new 'crazy-track' with an empty.

:moose:

MYSTERIOUS MOOSE MOUNTAIN

c o n t i n u e s . . .

In a brand NEW part 2 !! ... even MORE MYSTERIOUS than before . . .

. . . only in NARROW GAUGE on Freerails !




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Now yer gettin' going...Porter sans cab...love it!

Woodie

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Following the Freerails server-crash, it's NOT possible to add NEW Posts to this Thread.

The Thread is all viewable & can be linked to as normal.

All the pages can be accessed via the left-side of the main Forum-Index or the Threads own page-index.
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'Mysterious Moose Mountain' - 1:35n2 continues as Pt.II in the Freerails Narrow Gauge Forum.

See yer all there !

:moose:

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OK Si, here's what you need now...



(sorry about small photo) AIRFIX has their old 1911 double decker available again. I built 2 of these way back and whacked the second floor off to make them look more "American".
Check my old Mogollon Railway thread here, page ! about the 5th photo down.  SQUADRON has them now, you may find them easier where you live. Very cool kits, even have some "guys" to populate the seats.

Woodie

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& young, hip, cool kids like Madame S.

Ah !  Those were the days.  Thanks for the memories Si !  She'll like that.

Stupid idea, having a Trade Name that starts with lower case. Whoever heard of bUICK or wAL-MART or aIRFIX ?. Typical sILICON vALLEY, all high tech but no typographical idea.

That Alamo type wreck has great possibilities on the mMMMRR methinks.

Regards,         Michael  (now back at the 'ole Circle S)


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& young, hip, cool kids like Madame S.



Ah !, Those were the days, I can almost still remember them.

What a stupid idea, using lower case for the start of a Trade Name. Whoever heard of bUICK or aIRFIX ?. Hopefully it won't catch on.

I reckon that Alamo (note, capital 'A') type wreck would fit in well on the mMMMM rR.

"Brand NEW Part 2" ??.  We ain't done with Part 1 yet, steady on !.

Regards,             Michael


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