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 Posted: Tue Apr 28th, 2015 10:10 pm
   
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Hi Si,
Looks like the left-hander is a Mexican ! One of only four ever made, and all for the same (silver mine ?). http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-758.htm
I mean, its clearly not British - no picnic hamper and no visible means of brewing tea.



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 Posted: Tue Apr 28th, 2015 11:52 pm
   
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Hello Si - strange you should mention it but the Directors have very recently sanctioned some serious investment in the Chavez Junction area !.

Groundworks (baseboard) construction & track laying to On30 standards could begin later this year - subject to all the outstanding 1:1 scale construction being finished around the house, & garden, & replacement fencing, & removal of the living room fireplace, & ....... etc.  All to Metric standards of course, in case they are listening.

I still have not found that photo of the cabless & topless Shay that I saw somewhere; it was not that Gila loco that I saw. Photos of cabless but cab roofed Shays are fairly common. That "biggie" Shay in your photo looks impressive.

The left hand cylindered Mexican (hot climate ?) mine Shays are interesting. The prototype Beyer Peacock Garratt had the trailing (rear) cylinders mounted directly below the cab doors but crews complained of the heat so all subsequent Garratts had the trailing cylinders reversed & moved further back, away from the cab. As Yankee locos are driven from the wrong side i.e. the right (as the GWR) the driver (engineer) of a 'conventional' Shay must have got fairly warm at times.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 29th, 2015 03:24 am
   
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" Looks like the left-hander is a Mexican ! ...
... its clearly not British - no picnic hamper and no visible means of brewing tea"

Hi David.

WOT NO KETTLE OL' BEAN !?

Thanks for the south of the border solution to the lefty Shay mystery.

But why ? ... I'd love to know.

Cheers.

Si.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2015 12:02 pm
   
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Hi Michael.

I'm pleased to hear the Chavez Junction directors are all happy, smoking Havanas & waiting for their D&RGW dividend !

I hope some benchwork for Mysterious Moose Mountain might be constructed by the end of the summer as well.
Thought I'd try and get on it as early as possible; since the summer always seem to fly by !

I can tell we are a month into B.S.T already...
...the overnight temp. in the workshop was a couple of degrees above freezing...
...& it's been pouring with rain !

" Grin and bear it; & put the kettle on for a hot cuppa tea ol' chap "...
...says my neighbour, in his thermal Wellingtons !

I've got the wood...
...just don't know what the heck I'm making with it quite yet.

I'll have to post a couple of my awfull trackplans...
...they're probably more entertaining than the tedious General-Election coverage on the tube at the momment though !

Good move putting up new Metric fencing...
...I hope you're planting the Roses in groups of 10.

All the best.

Tally Ho Ol' boy !

Si.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2015 11:37 pm
   
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An MMM* track plan ??.
Good heavens, you will be talking dimensions & radii next - just do it Woodie style - keep nailing bits of wood together until you run out of 2" nails.

*Mysterious Moose Mnt.

All roses will, of course, be planted in Dozens (spines facing across the English Channel).


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Oh $4!7, I've gone & done it now !
A track-plan or a crap-plan ? :us:

On Slotforum, shortly after something like this goes up...
...you get a ton of photos of hammer-drills, piles of sawdust & bloodstains on plywood !

:java: :doh: :dt:

Here's one we 'rattled off' on the back of a flattened pack of 'Luckies' a while back ! :brill:



Things in mind at the drawing-board included :-

Going to the bar for another pint.
Giving up track planning.
John Allens 'Timesaver'.
The classic 'Gumstump & Snowshoe' (& numerous other 'switchbacks').
& anything from 'Muddle Snail-Loader' under the generic title 'Maximum Switching, Minimum Space'.

A freehand attempt to draw it to scale was made.
The area is 7x5 feet, on two 5x2 benchworks.

In case it's not clear...
...the bottom-left corner, is the lowest elevation...
...the top-left corner, is the highest elevation...
...& the turntable/enginehouse is somewhere in between.

Yes I know there's way too much track crammed in & not enough room for scenery...
...that was the intention.

Operations would be possibly a card-order system...
...with despatches of 2 cars max. at a time.
The idea being to have a 'decent' number of 'car-spots' for longterm interest.

I see numerous things that could be improved.
But the idea was to experiment with something; NOT achieve 'perfection'.
This was in fact the best version of many configurations.

:2t: Si. :td:




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 Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2015 04:02 pm
   
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Hello Si,

I like the "tiered" grades and having the highest-lowest points juxtaposed.

Two questions :

1) How is traffic going to be worked onto & off the pier/quay/whatever ?

2) Where are the trains coming from & going to ?


Regards,       Michael   

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>>The classic 'Gumstump & Snowshoe'<< was the "Bellefonte and Snowshoe" designed by Chuck Yungkurth.
Your plan is interesting, but on the left, that pocket is too short to make sense IMHO. A moderate size train must be reversed there in order to get the goods from up in the clouds down to the pier.....



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Hi Michael & Helmut.

Thank you both for your interest in the M.M.M.? trackplan !

- - - - - - -

Michael.

Whilst I was toying with this plan, I had my Shay & Porter in mind.
The Shay would normaly work the 'hi-lines'...
...& the Porter would switch the Yard & Pier.
This trackplan with a card-order system; might keep 2 operators quite busy...
...especialy with the odd railcar, critter & speeder movement thrown in.

With the 'facing' & 'trailing' spurs at the Pier...
...& the 1-car only, Pier lead-track...
...the Porter would only be able to switch ONE car at a time, from the Yard.

Swopping a car from the Pier track, to the other low-level track...
...would involve, moving it to the Yard, running-around it, & switching it back to the Pier areas 2nd spur.
(it could however be 'pole-switched' also; saving the trip back to the Yard)

This is obviously quite convoluted operations.
But on a small & simple trackplan...
...I felt this maximized operational interest at the lower Pier.
In my mind, the Pier, is realy an extension of the small Yard...
...& the 2 car-spots on the high-lines worked by the Shay, 'distant locations'.

- - -

" Where are the trains coming from & going to ? "

The idea here was to play around with the idea of a 'closed-system'...
...like John Allens 'Timesaver' or the 'Gumstump & Snowshoe'.
No cars EVER leave the 'board' (except by 'sky-hook' !).
It isn't so much where the TRAINS are coming from & going to...
...but where the CARS are coming from & going to...
...if you see what I mean.

In practice, if I made a design similar to this...
...I would be mad not to cater for a 'fiddle yard' (interchange) or future-extension...
...in this case; leading away from the Yards runaround-loop, at the top-left.

- - - - - - -

Helmut.

The 'Bellefonte & Snowshoe' was indeed Chucks layout...
...which appeared in the Model Railroader of September 1963.
The trackplan was however different.
The 'Gumstump & Snowshoe' was realy a separate (but similar) idea; that became the well known 'classic'.

I'm not sure Helmut, that I fully understand your observation.
There is 'reversing' involved; as on any switch-back track design.

By 'that pocket', I'm guessing you're refering to the runaround-track lead, at top-left.

As I said, I attempted to draw the sketch 'to scale'...
...& am since then, half way through drawing a 'proper' 1:7 version; with correct radius curves & lead-track lengths.
(again, an experiment)

It is all very tight !

Part of 'the game' to me on this, was to deal with it; like the 'Gumstump & Snowshoe' did...
...rather than just expanding, to have 'bigger' everything.

A lead-track length of Loco+1car, is acceptable here (just !).

All the best to you both.

Cheers.

Si.

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 Posted: Sun May 3rd, 2015 12:50 pm
   
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mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Track lengths - at the time of writing, I just couldn't retrieve the 'headshunt' out of my memory. I meam, its length should be the same as that of the single-ended sidings in the upperleft corner. or better still, move the turntable around as I've sketched.

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