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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 01:56 pm
   
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Apart from all the electrical work & rail wrangling at M.M.M recently ...
... we have been spending quite a bit of spare time doing what every model railroader wants to do most of all.

Assembling 500-part military model kits ...

... AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH !!!!

Oh well.
I've left the 20" rail-howitzers & main battle tanks to the 'big bang boys'...
... but one of the attractions of 1:35 scale to me ...
... is the pretty nice & really pretty cheap, more civilian oriented vehicle kits available.

Wolfgang has been building a new engine.
The fuel-economy wont be that great ...
... & the emissions will probably be AT LEAST 100x more than his V.W.
But molybdenum mining needs pulling power on the ground, as well as on rails.

:mex:

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Hi Michael.

Info about the micro-switch you asked about to follow  :slow: ...

Cheers.

Si.

:moose:



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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 03:45 pm
   
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No rush on the micro switch info Si. There is a LOT else to do first before deciding on which method of switch operation to use - discussion to follow sometime but in the meantime this ---

Your elektrickery expertise is far greater than mine I suspect.

Is it possible to slow down the operating speed of a bog-standard el Cheepo Peco type simple solenoid so that it doesn't go Bang ! & presumably knock hell out of the switch-rail stretcher bars ?.

Maybe some sort of DC pulsed band width modulation electrowhatsit effect ???
Or a high tek rubber band tied to one end of the moving solenoid thing ??

Meanwhile, I believe it is the season of Bah Humbug 'n all that.

Cheers,              Michael

Ps: you did ask me a few posts ago about the Chavez switch operation method - I haven't replied 'cos so far there ain't one !

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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 07:57 pm
   
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Hi Si

Those 1:35 scale stuff is really good and there's a lot out there... Don't get excited I'm not switching scales just saying.... lol :moose::bg:

Those us style switch stands, I thought they also done them with a small built in micro switch too..

Whilst at the Slime gauge meet all the modular layouts used point controls called blue point turnout controllers, they work and look like a tortoise point motor but they are a lot smaller and are manually controlled via push and pull rod. very simple and worked a treat was very impressed with them when I had a go.

though I do also like very cheap homebrewed push pull devices with a simple micro-switch.

cheers Dan



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 Posted: Wed Dec 9th, 2015 10:53 am
   
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Hi Michael.

This is the info. on the subminiature micro-switch you asked about.
The one I bought to test out, is marked in red...
...I got the lowest operating force model.



The operating-lever in the photo is the 'short lever' ( I think ).
The lever shape of SW05202 is shown in my photo, on the previous page <<<
I thought that the light operating ( low-friction ) pressure, lever shape & easy mounting holes...
...could make this a good choice for a turntable indexing disc ( type thingamebob ).

:moose:

Si.



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 Posted: Wed Dec 9th, 2015 03:47 pm
   
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Thanks Si,

I presume "20gf" = 20 grammes force ??.  So about 3/4 oz ?

Cheers,   Michael

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 Posted: Fri Dec 11th, 2015 01:12 pm
   
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Hi Dan.

The 'Slim Gauge Circle' meet, must have been great. :)
I used to be a member years ago...
...but eventualy found the travelling, to get there, was a bit much.
Top-Gun ! :Salute: when it comes to U.S narrow-gauge in the U.K though. :thumb:

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I checked out the 'Blue Point' turnout controls you mentioned...
...I had not seen these before.
Interesting. :!:



Any idea where to get them from in Blightey ? L:

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Also, I couldn't remember why I didn't get the Caboose Industries ground-throws, with the built in switch.
So I checked them out again as well.



Then I did remember.
Probably a good choise for staging-areas...
...but basicaly hard to 'disguise' as a 'real' ground-throw.
I thought a DIY switch addition, to the un-switched model, could be more discreet.

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I also checked out the 'Cobalt-Omega' slow-motion job.
Gaugemaster had sent some bumpf about them to me, with my Wills stuff.



Mmm ... bout 12-Quid a pop here...
...I'm not sure of the price in Euros. :dope:

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Si.

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 Posted: Fri Dec 11th, 2015 06:36 pm
   
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Hi Si

Try this link... NGtrains.com

you only need the blue units the rest of the stuff Id get else where.

Cheers Dan



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 Posted: Sun Dec 13th, 2015 10:11 am
   
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" Your elektrickery expertise is far greater than mine I suspect.
Is it possible to slow down the operating speed of a bog-standard el Cheepo Peco type simple solenoid so that it doesn't go Bang ! & presumably knock hell out of the switch-rail stretcher bars ?.
Maybe some sort of DC pulsed band width modulation electrowhatsit effect
Or a high tek rubber band tied to one end of the moving solenoid thing ?? "

Hi Michael. :cb:

I had PECO solenoids on a previous layout.

After they had totaly burned-out all the push-button switches on my control-panel...
...I installed brass-studs, for 'electric pen' type operation.
You needed to wear welding-gauntlets though...
...as the sparks coming outta the front of the control-panel, looked like Guy Fawkes nite !

I tried lessening the BANG ! as they threw, by fitting some neoprene-foam between the throw-rod & bent-steel chassis of the coils.
It was a marginal improvement.
But you still needed to wear an industrial polycarbonate-visor, for elf & safety...
...to stop the flying ballast-chippings, constantly loosened by the seismic shockwave, from heading eyeward !!
( this of course didn't prevent said 'loose-chippings' from jamming in the point-blades & loco mechs.)

I don't know of any 'electrical fix' for making a 'slow throw' solenoid...
...as far as I can figure; one does not exist.



Seep PM-1 turnout-solenoid (with polarity-switch)

This is about the best of the bunch, of the 'simple' solenoids I've seen.
There is a kinda locking-spring, I seem to recall, that the PECO doesn't have...
...which slightly lessens the BANG !
(PECO turnouts have a built-in spring)
It also has a built-in polarity-switch, that the PECO doesn't have.
The longer than PECO throw-rod, as standard, might give some extra damping as well.

The 'old skool' H&M solenoids were quite good.
Operating a rotating-crank, not a simple throw-rod (omega-link recommended).
They had a built-in polarity-switch as well.
About 4x the bulk though...
...& a significantly higher price.

:moose:

Cheers.

Si.

P.S.  Thanks Dan, for reminding me about ngtrains.com
I checked out the 'Blue Points' there...
...& am going to order some San Juan 'Evolution' couplers from them on Monday, to try out for M.M.M.

Good news on the EUROS spent a week ago...
...order despatched by U.P.S on Friday.
I thought I was going to have to wait until January to get this.
But looks like it'll be at M.M.M...
...in time for CHRISTMAS !!

:thumb:



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 Posted: Sun Dec 13th, 2015 12:14 pm
   
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Hi Si

I'm using Tamvalley controllers from Coastal DCC uk. check them out can be used with toggle switches or DCC, really good stuff. Price good too

Cheers Dan



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 Posted: Sun Dec 13th, 2015 12:49 pm
   
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Hi Si, Happy Sunday !.

I know absolutely nothing about operating model rail turnouts, nor any previous experience thereof, so many  Thanks for your reply - lots of useful info there.

I think you have successfully talked me out of using "simple" solenoids EXCEPT for 1 final question :

- does the "throw rod" simply move left-right or does it ROTATE via a cam ??

I am aiming for the minimal switch rail throw that is compatible with Bachmann wheel "standards" - I really dislike model turnouts at Exhibitions that gape open so wide you could get the Queen Mary through.

I've NO idea how Chavez will operate, my current thinking is some simple mechanical system such as 'wire+tube' or even 'fishing line + spring return'. But the non-scenic turnouts along the far wall (Si Junction !) will have to have some sort of power operation.

Not only are these computerish type slow motion gadgets very expensive but it seems you ALSO have to purchase some sort of expensive 'control box' thingies to operate them AND THEN YOU HAVE TO "PROGRAMME" THEM - sounds like it's way beyond my Pay Grade !. I'm more of a 'string & chewing gum' engineer.

My thanks also to Daniel for your additional info on switch 'machines'.

Regards,     Michael





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