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I wanted to model the 1870's in On30. MMI is bringing out a 1870's 4-
4-0, but $400 dollars, HOLY MOLY!!!!!. The Bachmann Mogul looks silly
with a ballon stack when you see it in person, it is an 1880's state
of the art loco, not 1870's.

Going back to my original roots and my rubber gauging lifestyle, I
found the alternative, Sn3.5.




Sn3.5 allows realistic models to be built from HO mechanisms. You can
only build caricatures or industrial tramways in On30 using HO
mechanisms. Mantua Oldtime 1860's are a $7 dollar street value narrow
gauge box car. 3-1/2 foot gauge was the original common carrier narrow gauge
instituted in Norway and India in the 1860's.

Besides S scale is the one true scale, seriously, it is the best size
for layout building, bar none.

Fight the high price of narrow gauge and visit my Sn3.5 page at:

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/s_scale/

Thank you if you visit

Harold

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Well Harold,

It's fine with me as long as you post pics:thumb: Good luck:)

Chris

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That's odd, when I went on the site, it said 404 NOT FOUND. HELP!

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Harold changed his mind a number of times as to what scale/gage combination he wanted to work in, and about 6 months ago, quit posting and shut down his site.



Herb  :old dude:

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Herb Kephart wrote: Harold changed his mind a number of times as to what scale/gage combination he wanted to work in, and about 6 months ago, quit posting and shut down his site.



Herb  :old dude:
Why'd he quite?

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Tate-why did Harold quit? I really don't know. He had some neat ideas and concepts. When he did 55n3 (1:55 scale running on On30 gauge), he was very prolific but it appeared that he was the only one doing that scale/gauge in the US so without any support, he just quit, left the building. Maybe he is out there lurking, waiting...Harold, come back...

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W C Greene wrote: Tate-why did Harold quit? I really don't know. He had some neat ideas and concepts. When he did 55n3 (1:55 scale running on On30 gauge), he was very prolific but it appeared that he was the only one doing that scale/gauge in the US so without any support, he just quit, left the building. Maybe he is out there lurking, waiting...Harold, come back...

                    Woodie

Could you hint me in on some of these concepts?

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Tate-I could tell you about my concepts, but I won't begin to tell about others' ideas. If you want to see any of my stuff, check out the Mogollon Railway thread here.

              Woodie

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Tate Pumfrey wrote: W C Greene wrote: Tate-why did Harold quit? I really don't know. He had some neat ideas and concepts. When he did 55n3 (1:55 scale running on On30 gauge), he was very prolific but it appeared that he was the only one doing that scale/gauge in the US so without any support, he just quit, left the building. Maybe he is out there lurking, waiting...Harold, come back...

                    Woodie

Could you hint me in on some of these concepts?

Tate,   Harold got involved in the "virtual" rail stuff and ended up building his empire on the computer.   He has shut down his website but you never know when he might re-appear.   But I doubt that he will do any real modeling again.
I saved all of his On30 hints and tips as PDF's and I have these available if you send me your e-mail address off line.   I don't have the 55n3 stuff as this isn't my area of interest.

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mabloodhound wrote: Tate Pumfrey wrote: W C Greene wrote: Tate-why did Harold quit? I really don't know. He had some neat ideas and concepts. When he did 55n3 (1:55 scale running on On30 gauge), he was very prolific but it appeared that he was the only one doing that scale/gauge in the US so without any support, he just quit, left the building. Maybe he is out there lurking, waiting...Harold, come back...

                    Woodie

Could you hint me in on some of these concepts?

Tate,   Harold got involved in the "virtual" rail stuff and ended up building his empire on the computer.   He has shut down his website but you never know when he might re-appear.   But I doubt that he will do any real modeling again.
I saved all of his On30 hints and tips as PDF's and I have these available if you send me your e-mail address off line.   I don't have the 55n3 stuff as this isn't my area of interest.
What exactly is 55n3? I am not familiar with this, but I have heard it mentioned on this forum.

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Tate-55n3 is 1:55 scale running on 16.5MM gauge(HO,On30) and there are NO products available (to my knowledge) for this scale. It was an attempt to model 3 foot gauge "correctly" using available On30 and HO items. If you really want to do On30 or Sn42 cheaply, you will have to either visit flea markets or look to ebay for HO locos, etc. that can be used. What you might find is that On30 is cheaper than building locos, etc. using HO stuff. A great running Bachmann On30 Shay can be found for 90 bucks and sources like Favorite Spot and Micro Mark sell On30 locos and cars CHEAP...cheaper than most HO stuff. And Bachmann's On30 locos are quality products. I have seen micro On30 layouts which are maybe 12" square and have 10" radius curves. Bachmann's little On30 Porters and 4 wheel cars just love them.

Sn42 is a great scale/gauge to model. There were quite a few real 42" gauge lines in the US. There are many things available for S scale also.

            Woodie

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Tate Pumfrey wrote:What exactly is 55n3? I am not familiar with this, but I have heard it mentioned on this forum.

Essentially, this is models to a scale of 1:55, (or about 7/32" to the foot) running on 16.5mm ("HO") track. This equates to a prototype track gauge of about 3 feet.


Other related ideas included using (28mm?) wargaming figures - also building locos and stock based on suitably modified examples of some of the smaller On30 railway models and some of the larger S and HO stuff.


I don't know how well any of these ideas work - I've never tried them (or the scale) - but it sounds like it could be a workable "scratchbuilder" scale (even if it probably isn't too well supported by the trade).

I believe some other people on this site might have tried similar scale / gauge combos over the years - but I wouldn't be able to confirm this.


Regards,

Huw.

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W C Greene wrote: Tate-55n3 is 1:55 scale running on 16.5MM gauge(HO,On30) and there are NO products available (to my knowledge) for this scale. It was an attempt to model 3 foot gauge "correctly" using available On30 and HO items. If you really want to do On30 or Sn42 cheaply, you will have to either visit flea markets or look to ebay for HO locos, etc. that can be used. What you might find is that On30 is cheaper than building locos, etc. using HO stuff. A great running Bachmann On30 Shay can be found for 90 bucks and sources like Favorite Spot and Micro Mark sell On30 locos and cars CHEAP...cheaper than most HO stuff. And Bachmann's On30 locos are quality products. I have seen micro On30 layouts which are maybe 12" square and have 10" radius curves. Bachmann's little On30 Porters and 4 wheel cars just love them.

Sn42 is a great scale/gauge to model. There were quite a few real 42" gauge lines in the US. There are many things available for S scale also.

            Woodie

One of the main reasons I am doing Sn42 is that there were TONS of 42" gauge railways in Ontario, and it was definitly the most popular in my area (Chatham-Kent Ontario). I like the size, (bigger than HO, smaller then O), I am a scratchbuild addict (lots of buildings!) and there are TONS of HO stuff for a kitbash. Also, HOn42 is really hard to get and for On42, there are almost no S scale models to be kitbashed, and O is a bit to big for my taste, and HO is just a bit to small, I need glasses soon, but S scale will pay off when I am older.

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Huw Griffiths wrote: Tate Pumfrey wrote:What exactly is 55n3? I am not familiar with this, but I have heard it mentioned on this forum.

Essentially, this is models to a scale of 1:55, (or about 7/32" to the foot) running on 16.5mm ("HO") track. This equates to a prototype track gauge of about 3 feet.


Other related ideas included using (28mm?) wargaming figures - also building locos and stock based on suitably modified examples of some of the smaller On30 railway models and some of the larger S and HO stuff.


I don't know how well any of these ideas work - I've never tried them (or the scale) - but it sounds like it could be a workable "scratchbuilder" scale (even if it probably isn't too well supported by the trade).

I believe some other people on this site might have tried similar scale / gauge combos over the years - but I wouldn't be able to confirm this.


Regards,

Huw.

Thanks all, but I think I shall stick with Sn42

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Wouldn't Sn42 be cheaper than On30?

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Tate- I just have to tell you that S scale is MORE EXPENSIVE than O scale. Just becaise S is a smaller scale does not mean that it is less expensive. Figures cost more (when you can find them) and there are very few S scale vechicles available. Structures may cost a bit less than O scale ones, but again, there is less avaliable. On the other hand, if you elect to scratchbuild your structures and freight cars and modify inexpensive HO locomotives, then you might be able to save some money. On30 is about as inexpensive as you can get. Just remember that the $30 HO loco that can be made into Sn42 or On30 will run like...like..well, it will run like a cheap thing that it is. Be prepared to spend some money for decent equipment and you will still need to make it "S" scale! This is my opinion and you can take it or leave it. You are reading experience here, but I know how young guys believe all us old dudes are full of it. Good luck.

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I repeat everything that Woodie has said about Sn42 vs On30. What it boils down to is personal preferences - mine are based on my early experiences with American Flyer trains when I was growing up. That, of course, means a great disdain for anything O (aka Lionel)! What I find is that Sn42 has the luxury of using materials from BOTH the On30 and HO worlds. You just have to keep your 1:64 proportions in mind.

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Do like the looks of the 2-6-0, 4-6-0, and porters from Bachmann, but I am absolutely disgusted by the overhang, and how wide stuff is compared to the track width. Partially why I plan to do Sn42. 

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Well, if you are disgusted by the "overhang"-a narrow gauge characteristic, you had better learn how to build stuff that you like. That one thing-overhang- is just what appeals to most everybody who models narrow gauge. This is your personal agenda so maybe it is time to get to work and actually build something that pleases you. Then send some photos so we can see your models. All the plans and drawings cannot come close to seeing a real "flesh & blood" product, have fun and start building.

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I never understood the 'high cost of On30' idea behind this thread. The low-cost reliable mechanisms (On30 and HO) have opened a whole world of modeling for anybody who can spare a few bucks for a hobby every paycheck. You can spend a lot of money in the hobby if you want, but that usually doesn't translate to a lot more fun. I have seen incredible models built for less than what a good Mexican dinner and margarita would cost. So for me, 'high cost' does not compute, it's what you make of it.

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I agree. On30 might be the cheapest thing to build these days. If you are handy and know what to look for, at a train "flea market", you could buy a nice little old Mantua 0-4-0 or 0-6-0 or the old Pettycoat Junction 4-6-0 for 10 to 15 bucks! Old HO archbar trucks are a buck maybe...see where I'm going? If you scratchbuild stuff, you save a big bundle. The "high cost" of On30 is really a myth, all it takes to build a nice layout cheaply is to be able and willing to do it. The only thing I can counter with is "do you know how much a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk is?" You do what you can and if you can't, do something else.

Rant time is over...for now.                               Woodie

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W C Greene wrote: Tate-why did Harold quit? I really don't know. He had some neat ideas and concepts. When he did 55n3 (1:55 scale running on On30 gauge), he was very prolific but it appeared that he was the only one doing that scale/gauge in the US so without any support, he just quit, left the building. Maybe he is out there lurking, waiting...Harold, come back...

                    Woodie

I am back, put the websites back up:

Visit 55n3.org

Ride the On30 Pacific Coast Air Line Railway

Didn't quit just took some time off, would never stop because no one else is interested.

This is a really old thread, just used that title to get people to read the thread. Everyone takes titles so seriously, S scale is rather comatose since I started this thread. A bunch of old guys buying PBL and modeling the same scenes for Colorado.

The rose is off the bloom in On30 too. Narrow gauge is cyclical.

There are more possibilities in 55n3 than most other scales. The premise is: There is no "scale" only what an object measures. There is plenty of things for 55n3. It just requires being out of the "Scale box".



That is a PBL Sn3 Box car on HO trucks with an HO Mantua ten-wheeler converted to a 4-4-0 on Atlas code 83 flextrack. The figures are an undersized MTH "O", a converted Preiser 1/50 and a 28mm war gamer.  It becomes a "Narrow gauge fever" train of the 1880's in 55n3. There is more commercially available tranformable items than one can imagine.

This discussion with Tate was taken of Trains.com after I mentioned 55n3. I guess if Walthers doesn't sell that scale MR doesn't want it mentioned.

Harold

Edit: The PBL Sn3 car matches the Ohio River and Western 605 in 55n3. That car is the prototype for the On30 Bachmann car. With the price of On30 now, the PBL cars are almost as cheap.

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Welcome back Harold.  You could try your hand at 1:37n2 next.  :P

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hminky wrote:
I am back, put the websites back up:

Visit 55n3.org

Ride the On30 Pacific Coast Air Line Railway

Didn't quit just took some time off, would never stop because no one else is interested.


...This discussion with Tate was taken of Trains.com after I mentioned 55n3. I guess if Walthers doesn't sell that scale MR doesn't want it mentioned.


It's great to hear from you again.

For anyone here who hasn't seen these websites, there's a lot of good stuff on them.

It really doesn't matter too much which scale you model in - a lot of the ideas would translate well regardless.

(I hope you don't mind me sidetracking, but the idea of using "mirrored" card to represent water is a good example of what I'm talking about. It would probably work over a wide range of scales - even if, round here, the stuff is normally sold in craft shops as A4 sheets.)


The comments about Model Railroader (and its forum) might well be very close to the mark - like a lot of magazines, MR relies on the ready availability of RTR to provide fodder for some of their articles (reviews and the like).

I wouldn't suggest for one second that they'd ever be in companies' pockets - but they'd be likely to want to base articles on mass market stuff that most people have heard of.

In a similar vein, I haven't noticed many scratchbuilding (or heavy kitbashing) articles recently in the mainstream railway modelling magazines I see in the UK.

It doesn't seem to matter if it's Model Railroader, Railway Modeller, British Railway Modeller or Model Rail - modelling articles don't seem to go much further than adding new grilles / handrails / repainting RTR. If we're really lucky, we might sometimes get a load of waffle about someone building a kit straight out of the box and only really telling us that they followed the instructions. (Thanks guys - I really wanted to know that!)

The days of a set of usable loco elevation drawings in every issue seem to be long gone - which might explain why I only buy magazines if they've got interesting articles in them.

Anyway, that's my rant over for now.


Saying all this, even though I don't post on the MR forum, I still check the Model Railroader and Garden Railways magazine websites every so often. Being registered there means I can download PDFs of plans and articles - which might give me ideas for future projects. I don't worry about the scale - that's easily sorted.


I think I've said enough for now - I'm sure we'd all prefer to return to the trains.


Huw.

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Tate Pumfrey wrote: Do like the looks of the 2-6-0, 4-6-0, and porters from Bachmann, but I am absolutely disgusted by the overhang, and how wide stuff is compared to the track width. Partially why I plan to do Sn42. 

So let me get this straight, you would want to model narrow gauge yet are disgusted by the aesthetics of wide cars on narrow rails? So why exactly do you want to model narrow gauge then? L: Just get some regular HO trains and be done with it. Way cheaper and better suited to someone on a very limited budget and with little to no experience. Until you actually build some stuff there is no way to know what you really like and what you are capable of. When I was a kid that's how I learned, you can't have everything right away.  Don't get me wrong, paper railroads can be fun, but unless you do something in the meantime you will never learn anything. Grab a few of your buddies and just go run some trains, that way you will have someone to bounce ideas off of who knows what you are capable of.

Just my opinion.

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The Bachmann On30 cars do have too much overhang in relation to gauge. It is more noticeable in the flats and gons. When placed with a O scale figure the On30 Bachmann Mogul looks ungainly the same with the BLI 2-8-0.

That is one of the reasons I tried Scale 55. The flats when narrowed look right:



If you have any sense of proportions they hang over too much.

Geez, sledhead, you have Trains.com outlook on life.

Harold

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How so Harold? For a kid starting out you can't find a more inexpensive scale than HO. Way more bang for your buck, and if you screw something up while hacking up an old blue box or roundhouse car, it's no big loss. Call it whatever "scale" you want, but using ho gauge stuff is the way to go if you want a decent roster on a limited budget, and don't yet have the skills to scratch everything. You can get decent running used HO stuff for next-to-nothing.

As for the narrow gauge "overhang", I happen to think it looks neat! To each their own I guess.


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Narrow gauge diesels are a blight against nature and that combo is truly an abomination.

Bashing HO into larger scale narrow gauge sure beats cookie cutter HO. Blue box, gimme a break!!! Sounds like Trains.com. Am I in the right place.

Narrow gauge doesn't need a large roster.

Harold

Edit: It is easier to make small narrow gauge prototypes in 55n3:



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Roundhouse locos as 55n3

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hminky wrote: Narrow gauge diesels are a blight against nature and that combo is truly an abomination.

Bashing HO into larger scale narrow gauge sure beats cookie cutter HO. Blue box, gimme a break!!! Sounds like Trains.com. Am I in the right place.

Narrow gauge doesn't need a large roster.

Harold

Indeed! :glad:They're like the 80's hair bands of the narrow gauge world!

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hminky wrote:
Edit: It is easier to make small narrow gauge prototypes in 55n3:



See, I would think older blue-box and roundhouse would be perfectly suited for what you suggest.  Some TOC roundhouse cars could easily be converted into narrow gauge for a smaller scale, instead of buying a much pricier B-mann  car and slicing that up.

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HO cars don't work in 55n3. Besides other than the Tichy ore car most are too small.

It is better to spend the $27 bucks on a PBL SN3 car and put Tichy trucks under them. A much higher quality, Blue box and Roundhouse are really crap. Besides none fit narrow gauge prototypes.

HO loco mechanisms are the only thing that works.

Harold

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Well then, I guess the 35n2 double truck diesel that I am planning to build is an abomonation? Thanks for the heads up. When I get it built, I will be damn sure to post several photos of it RIGHT HERE. Thanks for the opinionated "opinion".

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W C Greene wrote: Well then, I guess the 35n2 double truck diesel that I am planning to build is an abomonation? Thanks for the heads up. When I get it built, I will be damn sure to post several photos of it RIGHT HERE. Thanks for the opinionated "opinion".

         Woodie C Greene

See I just try to take it as a compliment. The very reason I love narrow gauge diesels is BECAUSE they are so unique, ungainly, and rarely modeled, especially the narrow gauge road diesels.

Now where did I put those plans for the two-foot-gauge DD-40X? L: 

Lol, that reminds me. Back when I was in a club with my Dad, one of my favorite things to do at train shows was run a freight train led by nothing but "B" units! :bg:

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Cool photo Sledhead, I can almost hear that Alco chug...

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Harold,
It's great to have you back on-line. Can't tell how many forums and members have asked about your website.
Thanks for all the info you provide.

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I'll second that, Dave , and thanks again for the info you supplied whilst the site has been off-line. I'm thinking that now might be the time to save the tutorials for future reference, they're that good.

Doug 

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I saved them as PDFs to my hard drive in a separate folder and whenever someone wanted a copy it was a simple matter to send it or post it to the Adobe link.
:cool:

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I've done the same, just to be on the safe side.
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Good to see you back Harold.

Now: I've just won myself a Bachmann On30 Shay on eBay - has anyone ever tried to convert one of these to 5.5n3?

Anyone know what the overall width of this is? is it suitable?

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tebee wrote: Good to see you back Harold.

Now: I've just won myself a Bachmann On30 Shay on eBay - has anyone ever tried to convert one of these to 5.5n3?

Anyone know what the overall width of this is? is it suitable?

Tom

The Bachmann On30 shay is too large to convert to 55n3.

The Bachmann HO shay using the Boulder Valley Models "On30" shay conversion is the right size just needs the cab roof lowered:



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Harold-did you build that cool little #7 Shay? I agree, the On30 Shay might be too large as is for your scale. Easier to "build up" than cut down.

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W C Greene wrote: Harold-did you build that cool little #7 Shay? I agree, the On30 Shay might be too large as is for your scale. Easier to "build up" than cut down.

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That is from the Boulder Valley site.

Click here to visit Boulder Valley

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Ah, well I guess I may end up using that Shay in a Gn15 experiment then.

The Boulder Valley shay looks nice, but ends up a tad expensive by the time you add it to the cost of a Bachmann HO Shay - rather defeats the object trying to avoid the high cost of On30!

Harold - what maximum loading gauge are you working to for your 5.5n3 stuff - 12ft high by 8ft 6 wide?

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hminky wrote: I wanted to model the 1870's in On30. MMI is bringing out a 1870's 4-
4-0, but $400 dollars, HOLY MOLY!!!!!. The Bachmann Mogul looks silly
with a ballon stack when you see it in person, it is an 1880's state
of the art loco, not 1870's

That is the original premise of the thread. When I posted this on several forums no one really read the post. Most On30er's just read the title and went ballistic.

I was just pointing out that to do the 1870's On30 was impossible. MMI hasn't built that loco and probably never will. Not enough interest in 1870's narrow gauge. This is four years ago to the day I posted that.

It can be done in 55n3 easily:



55n3 is basically the same price as On30.

Harold

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You haven't seen On30'ers go ballistic like they do when you mention that you use radio control instead of DC or DCC. A third rail subject for sure!

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W C Greene wrote: You haven't seen On30'ers go ballistic like they do when you mention that you use radio control instead of DC or DCC. A third rail subject for sure!

                  Woodie

You mean On2-1/2ers don't you:glad:

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Harold,
I've been visiting all the incarnations of your site for years now. I've posted links to your site on many forums I visit. I used your track weathering on HO track; I found it almost too time consuming for my lazy style of railroading BTW. I then used it in N scale on C55 and was pleased with my results.

All of your work is interesting, but I do find your original post on here sort of off putting. I'm sure you don't mean it that way, but scale and gauge snobbery really gets tiresome. I've been rubber gauging it for years now. Recently I got onto OO/HO scale outdoor modelling and found myself posting on a G scale garden site. I got a few nasty comments there as people felt invaded by the small scale garden guy coming on their G scale site. One guy basically told me, We don't want to see what you are doing... Go somewhere else.

I am very interested in seeing your latest modelling progress, I like trains you see. But you really do come off a bit heavy handed in your comments at times. Regarding your diesel comment; I say come to the dark side my friend. ;) All will be fine once you assimilate. he he he

Post up some nice pics, the proof is in the pudding as they say. :)

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hi...I don't know whether you people in the US have had the same sort of access to a bargain as ourselves in the UK, but earlier on this year, I purchased [off eBay] a couple of Bachmann On30 2-6-0 locos very cheaply...as in under £30 each....[you'll need to convert to your own chosen currencies for comparison]....

They were in the disguise of Hawthorne Village locos...

OK, they need a strip 'n spray...but the basis is there for whatever you wish...and they're 'new'...as against, someone-else's ex-nightmare?


Now..what to do with them? [and...the odd items of B/mann On30 stock I've garnered from special offers, etc?}

Track gauge is really an irrelevance to me...I'll make my own anyway....

Since many of B/mann's 'prototypes' were actually 3 foot gauge...rather than 2 foot 6, is it at all easy to regauge the 2-6-0's?
[maybe widen the cylinder block, for example?]

[I have read of re-gauging the B/mann forney to 2 foot...seems an easy job]

For cheapness, I wasn't really interested in BUYING ON3 trucks....altering for gauge will likely involve similar processes as we have, in the UK, when converting from OO to EM....[4mm scale, converting from 16.5mm track gauge...under-scale..to 18.2mm gauge..somewhat nearer scale]


Given the cost of ON3 equipment, maybe this way is another option....? Has anybody taken it?

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The Bachmann On30 2-6-0 can be reguaged fairly easily. You need to find a Grandt Line frame kit for the loco (ust 2 pieces). The drivers can be widened out carefully to On3, the cylinder block needs to be widened with a couple of .080 styrene pieces, the lead truck wheels widened, and the tender trucks can be widened-the sideframes need to be trimmed to accomodate the new gauge. Of course, you need an NMRA OO/On3 gauge for this. I have not addressed the fiddly power pickups, the locos I have done run with onboard batteries and radio control but the pickups could be modified I suppose.
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thanks for that, Woodie.....I suppose the Grandt frames were simply overlays [to form 'spacers']??

Pickups won't present an issue....

Is it, in the opinion of readers, worth it?

Even if only to be different?

BTW, I have a 'full set' of NMRA gauges, obtained yonks ago...but would prefer to make gauges for BTB, Check, etc of something more substantial...L:

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There have been several conversions of the loco. The C&S loco with air tanks atop the boiler seem to be the candidate since most guys are modeling Colorado roads in On3. The Grandt parts are just spacers but add lots to the finished loco. If you want to model On3, this is perhaps as inexpensive as it gets for a "decent" loco. The Bachmann loco runs quite well and actually looks much better on On3 track or even standard gauge O scale track (I did one of those also). For the amount of time it takes and the finished results, I think that it's worth the trouble.
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or even standard gauge O scale track (I did one of those also

Now, that's interesting.....I asked [perhaps on here, cannot remember...age, y'see]...about converting one of these 2-6-0's to O gauge.... recalling having seen it mentioned a long while ago.

I uncovered a drawing in an old NG&SLG....of, I think, a Bayou Lumber loco, narrow gauge proportions to boiler, etc, but gauged to standard gauge....said drawing rather eliminating the then-current arguments against that sort of conversion [ie, I got shot down in flames]....

Like ON3...[or..1/4 inch scale, 3 foot gauge, to eliminate any thoughts of Colorado?]...the B/mann locos could be a cheap 'n cheerful way in?

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I wrote an article in the old Light Iron Digest (don't remember when) called "A Little O Scale Mogul" which explained how I built it. There were many examples of 3 footers being converted to standard gauge, here in Texas, the Houston, East & West Texas RR converted their 4-4-0's from 36" to 56 1/2" and there was indeed a piece in NG&SLG about a 2-6-0 which was widened also. Anything is possible for a dedicated modeler.
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I hadn't seen the 55n3 site but 5.5mm/ft, 1:55 ng modelling has a long history in the UK http://www.blackhamtransfers.com/55/5andahalfassn.html

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