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Joseph Lavender
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Greetings!

I’d mentioned this project a while back in my thread on my Nn3 D&RGW layout,
and I thought it was time to give you folks an update.

It’d taken a few months to get everything together,
and to build up some inspiration.

I’m primarily a ship modeler, and those projects take some time,
and while I’m knee-deep in building the battleship HMS Ramillies,
I figured doubling up on the projects wouldn’t hurt anything.


The concept for the layout is a shadow box style mini-layout,
featuring the tight curves of the SCPA&M, measuring about 8” deep and 20” across.

The wood has been cut, the box assembled, glass has been cut, not yet installed.
Currently I’m deciding on how I want to build the electrical and sound systems.
Of course we have to have sound!


I’m scratch-building the equipment, and the locomotive will be Shay #2,
since I was able to find good drawings of that particular unit.

I’ve had to extrapolate some of the details,
as the plans and the photos aren’t always similar.
I’m sure you’ll forgive me.

The locomotive is nearly finished.
I need to install the roof, and finish detailing the top of the boiler,
then it’s off to the paint shop. 


Of course this is a non-working Shay.
The power will come from a powered boxcar.

Sadly no photos of the boxcar the SCPA&M had seem to exist, which is very good for me,
as it will have to be ever so slightly longer than what the prototype probably was,
to accommodate the gear train and motor.

The boxcar must be 35mm long or 25’.
Sadly I just can’t get around this, because if I could shorten it I certainly would.
This is my one big sacrifice and I’m sure I’m more bothered about it than any of you are!
Tell me it’ll be okay!


The ore cars will be to scale thankfully,
and I need to mention my friend Jesse over at CCE Models,
for drawing out and 3D-printing my 2’ gauge arch-bar trucks.

I had originally built a prototype from scratch,
but it was far too fragile even though it looked the part.
They would have failed quickly I’m sure.

Jesse was able to replicate the trucks exactly how I wanted,
and through his wizardry, I’ll have the train standing tall in that regard. 





As it stands now, I’m ready to start major construction.

I’d certainly welcome input from anyone who has information on the SCPAM.
I’ve read Mr. Ericson’s book, and it’s absolutely invaluable!

I’d welcome modern photos of the area if anyone has them.


We own a summer home north of the line up near Acoma Pueblo,
so I’m very familiar with the lay of New Mexico,
but contemporary photos would be great.

I need to get down there next time I’m in NM and see the old right-of-way,
and of course welcome a travel buddy if anyone lives in the area.


More updates to come shortly!

J.


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Incredible!
The SCPA&M in Zn2 !!

It was hard enough for me to build what I could in 1:35n2.

There is my thread here on Freerails about my effort,
I tried to include what I thought were the most interesting scenes (to me).


Here is a shot of the smelter at Silver City, a model in my scale would take up almost the entire back yard!





Here you see the slag pile right behind the 7 stall enginehouse, with models of the foundry and machine shop.


SCNG author Duane Ericson sent me drawings of what he knew about track arrangements here,
there is some dual gauge (standard gauge AT&SF, and the 2 foot SCPA&M).

The red oxide ore cars are copies of the SC's cars.

The "mysterious" box car you are building,
has been described as being made of "corrugated metal",
which would appear to resemble such a car used on sugar cane lines,
but then another source believes it was wood.
My take on it is seen next to the machine shop on the dual gauge track.

Whatever you do I am sure that even nitpickers can't holler,
since nobody now living has ever seen the car,
and besides, it's your version...who's gonna gripe?!

PS-that slag pile was NOT my favorite thing to model,
but it was part of the scene so.....

                   Woodie


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Hi Joseph  :wave:



I have to say I am a BIG ! fan of lil' railroads ...  :old dude:

... like the 'Gilpin Tram' & 'Silver City, Pinos Altos & Mogollon'.  :thumb:


I never thought I'd see them modelled in Zn2 scale though !!  :shocked:  :shocked:  :bow:  :bow:


It all looks AWESOME so far.  :)

Don't loose the loco ... Or pick it up & pocket it with your coins though !  ;)

The trucks must have been some crazy 3D-print.  :brill:  :Crazy:

So you are actually making everything for 2.77mm gauge, or thereabouts ?  L:



:moose: :moose: :moose: :moose: :moose:



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Thanks for the info Woodie.

I’ve read your thread through probably 5 or 6 times so far!
It’s great to see someone’s take on a prototype,
and it gives me some ideas on how I want to proceed.

I wish I could make the boxcar power-car smaller,
and it’s really bothering me.
 
But since I’m going to start building it today or tomorrow,
I need to decide on how I’m going to do it.

Wood seems more likely to me,
but I do have some scale corrugated plate I made for another project,
so that’s tempting me.
Maybe I’ll build both and see which wins out.



Greetings Si.

Yep, everything will be 2’ gauge Zn2.
I absolutely love building things as small as I can.

I have a website for my micro-sized ship models,
at http://www.josephlavender.com,
if you’d like to see what I’m up to there.


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Howdy Joseph,

I believe that the "corrugated" boxcar was listed in the scrapper's inventory
(read somewhere in Duane's book) so that might be OK.

I believe my metal version is about 22' long so 25' ain't too far off.
I say go for it!
I just had to have a riveted metal car...just to be different.

Hmmm...now I'm thinkin' (a bad thing to do) that I need such a boxcar to add to the "ops scheme".
Of course now I am modeling a fictional 2 footer down in Texas' Big Bend area along the Rio Grande,
which got cast off equipment (#'s 1 & 2 Shays, ore cars, the caboose, and mysterious boxcar from Silver City).
Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it...for now at least.

Have fun and run a train today...but don't sneeze with those teeny Zn2 lokies!

Woodie


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Thanks Woodie,

I wasn’t able to start the boxcar power car this weekend,
but I’ve been thinking about how I want to do it.
Still not sure but I have some ideas.

The detail on Shay 2 is done and she’s ready for paint.
I have some airbrush work to do on one of the battleship models tomorrow,
so I’ll move her into the paint shed too.

I really need to get busy on building the layout.
I think once I start, I’ll be more motivated to keep plugging along.
Lately I’ve been very start/stop on this project.


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Great looking Shay!
Can’t wait to see how it turns out.

I do have some pics of the former ROW near Pinos Altos on my phone,
from the last visit to Silver City.

But I’ve been having trouble loading them onto Freerails.

Carry on!


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I’d love to see them!

You can use https://postimage.org/ to upload them.



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" I have a website for my micro-sized ship models "


Hi Joseph  :wave:



Don't forget, we have a  'Photography' Forum  here at Freerails.  :bg:


If it aint fitting in any of the trains & critters Forums ...  :us:

... ships, racing cars, moon rockets etc. can sail, zoom & blast off, into that Forum !  :cool:



I totally LOVE ships !  :thumb:



:)



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It’s pretty amazing what you can do,
when you have a day or two off and an empty house.

The little layout is ready for a base coat of primer,
and then it’s track-laying time.

By tonight I should have something to show for my work.


A friend is trying to convince me to hand lay the track.

I built a test section a while back,
and holding the 2.75ish MM gauge is easy on a straight section,
but it gets wonky in a curve.

The issue is the rails are of course larger than proto Z,
and may be a bit too ambitious to hand lay in a curve.

I have a couple ideas to try out,
but either way, the track will look nice I think.


I’ll report back with some photos of my progress soon.



Si.

I’ll throw up some photos of the ships in the photography section.

Thanks!


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Today, I was able to get some scenery finished.
The piñons and other trees are what’s next.

Don’t worry about the track hanging in the air,
it’s Z scale so the spans are a few inches.

I’ll build the trestles off-layout and slide them in.
I do this with all of my bridges,
since I like to build them upside down.

I did decide to go with commercial track,
which did make me a little sad in the end,
but the tolerances were just too fine.

The sides of the rails were airbrushed,
however the trick with the power unit, which is a boxcar btw,
is that the wheels are magnetized, which holds the power car down.

So, the rails are ferrous and silver.
Not much can be down there, since it is key to operation.
Even if I’d hand-laid them, I’d still have to use the same material.
Proto-220 it isn’t.

I’m holding back a bit sharing the equipment.
The Shay locomotive is now competed finished,
the powercar mechanism is done,
and the ore cars are still just drawings.
I’d like to have them all finished before I share, big reveal.

So now I’m down to getting the sound and power unit built.
Since the layout is a loop, I’m building it at a constant voltage.
The train will operate at 1.0v and the accessories at 3.0v.

The sound speaker and recording unit are here,
so I’ll probably steal some Shay sound effects,
and start putting that together soon.

Off to the right will be one of the mines the SCPAM served,
I’m trying to decide which one I can best model with the photos I have.
I did run across some photos someone recently took of the Kept Woman,
so maybe that one.





So what you see above will fit inside of a shadow box under glass.

The top will be hinged and removable and have lighting.
I’m thinking about doing both daytime and nighttime lighting.

The shadow box is finished but the trim isn’t on yet.

I’m going with a gunmetal hammered finish,
so that should look nice.


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Yep, that looks just like where the SCPA&M ran.

I can't wait to see it finished and a tiny Shay running.

Excellent!

Woodie


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That looks great!

Really shows the potential of capturing a landscape in a small scale.



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Thanks guys!

Some of you may have noticed I’ve spent the last couple weeks finishing the HMS Ramillies model,
and now since that project is finished, I can devote more time to my SCPAM mini layout.

My backdrop photo arrived today, and I thought I’d mock it up for you.
It’s a quick dirty photograph just to illustrate how it’ll look.





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Out of the paint booth.
This is just the primer coat and the color coat, not finished by any means.

I still need to add some of the drive gear for the Shay,
window glazing, number decals, bell, crew figures, weathering, matte coat.

I just wanted to photograph these 2 units together.
More to come on the ore cars later.

Also, the track isn’t ballasted on this area,
since this is where the mine works will be going, and I haven’t finalized that yet.

This is also my take on the SCPAM corrugated boxcar.
The motor for powering the train is inside, so it dictated the dimensions considerably,
but once she’s weathered and the matte finish is on, I think it’ll pass.





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The most recent work on the SCPAM.

The lattice trestle, at least my interpretation of it, is finished.

No work has been done on the locomotive and boxcar.

I still need to finish the details on the locomotive,
paint, weather, add the link-and-pin couplers etc.
More to come there.

The photo was mocked up with the backdrop in place,
and the coin is approximately the size of a US quarter.





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That is sweet!

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I spent the evening finishing Shay 2.





She has some fading here and there, the New Mexico sun can be tough.

And since the SCPAM didn’t replace the destroyed cab on one of their locomotives,
I doubt any of these engines ever saw paint.


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Thanks!

Glad you like it.

It does appear that interest in this project may be waning a bit.

I’ll report back once it’s finished.


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When you say interest is waning,

do you mean your interest in the project,

or the feedback you are getting here?


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I was able to get the display box mostly finished today.

I went with a mahogany a beer which I finished with tung oil,
which gives it a nice flat finish, and I dry fit the glass.

The top will be on hinges,
so I can access derailments and the day/night lighting.

I’ll post some photos soon once the tung oil has dried,
and I can handle it a bit better.


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Joseph

Looking forward to the finished project.


I have enough trouble with 1/4 scale modelling,

and still could not get close to the detail you are doing with ships and trains.


Incredible workmanship.

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Thanks!

Glad you like it.


Today’s project will be finding the box,

and painting the edge of the fascia on the layout.


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Hi Joseph  :wave:



That could be quite a rare photo.  :shades:

No unidentified flying discs were ever seen in the Roswell area before 1947.  L:





The U.S. Army Airforce base intelligence officer there said :-

" It was a metallic material, with impressions & markings on it, laying on the ground "



The truth is out there .  .   .  :Salute:  YYEESSIIRR !!



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A mock-up of the diorama.

Of course it’s all just sitting together,
and the lid is open, since the interior lighting isn’t installed.

The glass is also dirty, but you get the idea.





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The U.S. Army Airforce base intelligence officer there said :-

" It was a metallic material, with impressions & markings on it, laying on the ground "


I think it conducts electricity, so all trains will stop.


I'm impressed with what you are doing.

Looking great.


....................................Peter.

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It’s been a while since I updated my progress,
on the Silver City, Pinos Altos and Mogollon Railroad project.

Since the last installment, I’ve decided to go a different direction,
and I’ve cut the display down to this finished diorama.

The SC,PA&M was a two-foot narrow gauge railroad, only operating for a few years,
serving copper mines between Silver City and Pinos Altos in the New Mexico Territory.
The line was closed in 1908, but opened briefly in 1910.

The bridge depicts the prototype lattice truss bridge on the Horseshoe Curve,
albeit shortened a bit, while the scratchbuilt adobe house was added for visual interest.

The Shay locomotive #2 was built entirely from scratch,
using original plans and photos of the prototype.

The ore cars, however, were made by my friend Jesse Svoboda over at CCE trains.
Jesse wanted to support the project and I was glad to have him,
since he is a master when it comes to 3D-printing.

Had the layout been completed,
there would have been 8 ore cars pulled by the Shay and it’s accompanying powered boxcar.
This car was finished and the train did operate briefly.

I decided to go with 3D-printing for the cars, as I needed 2’ narrow gauge trucks,
and while these could have been built from scratch,
3D-printing offered a more robust and consistent construction,
allowing the wheels to turn smoothly.

The scenery is my typical mix of techniques,
and the wood was aged with a solution of steel wool and vinegar.
A handy little way of aging and slivering wood.

Paint for the project is from ScaleColors, my paint sponsor.

If you’re interested in more photos,
I have a couple more up on my website at

 http://www.josephlavender.com















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An interesting outcome & twist in the nice story of its construction

Great looking scenery for the bridge & adobe house to sit in


As for the Shay locomotive & ore-cars  :shocked:

I'd loose them on my desk !


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Sadly it was meant to be.

I spent too much time building the bridge and locomotive not to save them.

I probably should have built it as a diorama anyway.



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