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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 02:20 am
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" After a visit to a friend this afternoon
he gave me these trucks that he had no use for
would they be good to build a wee wagon or mining caboose or the like on?? "



Hi Tom :wave:



They look real nice. :)

Any idea what brand & what they are from ? L:

I've not seen that type before. ???





Fairly 'chunky' looking passenger-trucks ...

... a bit like the swingin' '60s vintage 'Tri-ang' HO diecasts I've been using.





On the left, with the original '60s 'Tri-ang' Transcontinental plastic wheels.

On the right, modded, sans coupler fixings etc. + new 'Kadee' On30 metal wheelsets & new filed-in clearances.





:pimp:


I've used some of my chunky looking passenger trucks for ...

:mex:  One of my recent crane cars ^^ above

:mex:  A heavy-duty flatcar (pair)

:mex:  An 0-4-0 Porter loco tender (single)

:mex:  A pair of small 4-wheel generator & light cars (singles)



A logging or mining caboose is a popular build on these.

Many small industrial railroads used 2nd-hand passenger trucks for things such as that.

Bit like us ! ;)



The nice thing about the old 'Tri-ang' diecast '60s trucks, are their 'chunkiness'.

Regular mooodern HO trucks like 'Kadee' or 'Athearn' look a bit small & slender for 1:35n2 to me.



:moose:



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 02:50 am
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Hi Si

According to the package, these are made by WalthersProto ...Pennsylvania 2D-P5-Tuscan
Part# 920-2212.

They are quite heavy and appear to have real springs in them.

Looking at the underside of your crane car, it may answer my question, but when I do the math, I make the width of a 7'6" car, in 1/35, at 2.812 or so. Am I close? Looking at that crane car, there is quite an overhang. Are the cars stable?
A better pic of the detail ... Oh, and I was wrong ... not real springs but nicely done phone ones!


Cheers

Mack

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" Looking at the underside of your crane car, it may answer my question,
but when I do the math, I make the width of a 7'6" car, in 1/35, at 2.812 or so.
Am I close?
Looking at that crane car, there is quite an overhang.
Are the cars stable? "



Hi Tom :wave:



There is a narrow-gauge 'rule of thumb' which says ...

... cars shouldn't be more than 3x the track gauge.

Of course one could find exceptions ! :P



Most of my car builds are based around basic dimensions of 'The Gilpin Tram' rolling stock.

Found in the 'Colorado & Southern' Folio of 100 years ago. :old dude:





Their caboose was the widest car that they ran, it was exactly 6' wide ! :thumb:





And 14' long. :pimp:





Your trucks would be too longer wheelbase to make this caboose. :f:

But would be perfect for a single truck 'shortie' caboose. :)



Or perhaps you could just start off making a 6' x 16' heavy-duty flatcar.

Very similar to the above ^^ crane underframe, which I think is that size as well.

That's what I did, to get a sense of basic 'scale size' when I started in 1:35n2



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 03:34 am
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Thank You, Thank You. I will do a heavy flat car and see how we go ... baby steps and all that.

Would  a real heavy flat have had main beams of about 12"? That looks about right when I look at it. And I think they were taller than wide.

I'll play ... it's my railroad. I'll have some wine first and then it will look good.

Cheers

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Hi Mack :wave:



The main beams on that underframe, were cut from a 1/4" 6.35mm mahogany plank.

So those beams are quite a 'heavy-duty'  8 3/4" high.



I have used the 1/4" 6.35mm stuff for eg. heavier cars & cranes etc. :mex:



Some other lighter cars have 5mm high beams, which is just under 7" in 1:35 scale.

Toffee-apple sticks are 5x5mm ! ;)





The couplers I use are On3 scale 'San Juan Car Co.' Evolution couplers.

In 1:35 scale these perfectly represent a 3/4-size narrow-gauge coupler.

They are easy to get hold of, pretty cheap, work good, are easy to install & look GREAT ! :)







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Thanks again Si.

I was looking at the San Juan couplers a couple of days ago. I will get some on order.

I am going to have a go tomorrow and see what I can come up with. I was given some Kadee #148 couplers today as well so I will likely use them for now.

Fun Stuff.

Cheers

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Walther's PRR Express Car trucks... nice, very pricey.  The leaf springs will give your flat car a very nice smooth ride!  :shades:



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Hi Mack :wave:



Some wheely useful 1:35 scale information :- ;)



24.0"  -  17.4mm  D.& R.G.W. 3' gauge Griffin wheels

20.0"  -  14.5mm  Gilpin Tram wheels

17.4"  -  12.7mm  M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co. wheels ( On30 24" or OO 'Hornby' )

14.5"  -  10.5mm  Walthers ( HO 36" ) passenger wheels



:brill:



" I was given some Kadee #148 couplers today as well so I will likely use them for now."



Not a great idea I'm afraid. :f:

You'll learn absolutely nothing that will help you, by even looking at these ! :shocked:



IMHO coupler positioning & height, is by far the most important part of your car build. :thumb:

This particularly influences the position of the bolsters in relation to the cars endbeams.



The bolsters should be as far to the end of the underframe as possible ...

... whilst still allowing for the mounting of the couplers.

This will minimise any unwanted coupler 'overhang'.



Bolster thickness, truck mounting & wheel diameter are ultimately what determine 'coupler height'.

This obviously needs to be TOTALLY consistent on all cars & locos. :cool:


Give the 148s back, loose them, bury them or bin them ... :old dude:



:moose:



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Morning Si

Perhaps that is why the man gave me 6 packages of them. I will put them away for now.

Cheers

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Hi Mack :wave:



The 'Kadee' 148s are perfectly fine for what they were intended for.

HO trains.

I'm not sure exactly what 148s are used for ? ???

But I'm guessing that they are a 'special application' HO coupler.

At least not the 'standard' No.5s etc.

They've probably got an extra long/short shank or perhaps a staggered shank or something.



:moose:



Si.


Well, actually pretty 'standard' couplers, like a No.5 but with whiskers ! :old dude:

Great for HO ... No good for 1:35n2 though. :f:






Last edited on Thu Mar 8th, 2018 03:52 pm by Si.



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