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Well, here I go once more...building (or rather re-building and changing) a new layout. I finally got moved to "the boonies" where life is slower which befits my inherent slowness anyway. Now, I have a 2 car garage (will never be used to house gas guzzlers) which has become my "train domain" and where I have been spending valuable TV watching time (I have a TV out there too). The almost "finished" SCPA&M RR has been taken apart and the sections have been set up similar to the layout I had in the living room but what once fit with one piece now connects with a different piece (or pieces). A track plan will be posted soon as well as "in progress"

After deciding to "come back" to Texas and modeling a railroad that my friend James Sullivan wanted to create (James is now into HO diesels and English steam, what a combination!), I present the theme of the new layout.
Yes, the same old SCPA&M lokies, rolling stock, track layout (well, the enginehouse and yards) and some of the structures will be reused, re-purposed, and generally left alone.
http://freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=6332&forum_id=17
Here's a link to Silver City Narrow Gauge layout that I was building, it may be helpful to see where this all started.
Why Big Bend (a wild and wooly area that runs along the Rio Grande River which is the boundary between the US and Mexico)...well, just because I want to model it!. Future posts will reveal my fascination with this place.
I actually wanted to build a layout in the Bend when I built the old Mogollon Railway but was "hooked" on the area of New Mexico where the old town is located. More on this later on also. Much to do and relate but as for now, I am back home in Texas, railroad-wise.

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I have never been to the Big Bend area of Texas so am looking forward to watching your new build. Other than the Rio Grande river, is this a dryish location like the others you have modeled? Larry Gant

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" The almost "finished" SCPA&M RR has been taken apart and the sections have been set up similar to the layout I had in the living room
but what once fit with one piece now connects with a different piece (or pieces).
A track plan will be posted soon "



Howdy Woodie :cb:



Your new double-garage sounds like a pretty cool hangout ! :cool:

I hope the SCPA&M RR sections from 'Dullass' had a comfortable trip to Royse City ! :)



I suspect you might just be finding a place for your old trestle to the smelter there somewhere. ?

We'll see ! :bg:



Don't rush the trackplan Woodie  .  .  .  :mex:

You know it's best to draw those AFTER the layout has been built !! :shocked: ;)



:moose:



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I glad to hear your getting settled in. I would like to come visit and drink a Shiner or 12 sometime now that your not in the metro mess. I try like hell not to go to Dullass. I prefer out in the sticks myself. 
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Smart move Woodie-- the railroad can haul material for the GREAT WALL!
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As old Bob would say-"come on down (or up)" I was in hell (Dullass) today and it sucks as bad as ever!

To the BIG BEND, of course there were no railroads there except for some mine trams and a cool aerial tramway over to Boquillas in Mehico. Therefore, I figger that my track plan and general idea will become "the prototype". I will go back to my roots of making a layout that is pure fiction, I found (well, I already knew) that following a prototype can become a real hassle unless you are prepared to surrender your vision. Many can do that but I ain't one.
Who's to say that the guys who built the SCPA&M didn't look further south after the New Mexico 2 footer closed up in 1907? It was done many times when mines played out and others looked promising. The Big Bend area had been mined for centuries before railroads were around and there are still some old prospector types in them hills today. Gold, silver, mercury, and some others are found in "the Bend" and one other commodity which is/was profitable-the processing of candelaria plants into wax which was used for lubricants,
polish, and, yes, candles. Matter of fact, the snooty "new age" types still love the candles made from the plant to add "atmosphere" to their million dollar homes.

Matter of fact, here's a photo of a real wax factory taken in about 1918. Imagine what a cool model that would be! I may in fact build something like this for the layout. The metals smelter is way too large for a proper operation in 1:35 but this could be modeled.
The little book BIG BEND: A history of the last Texas frontier  by Ronnie Tyler (shown in the first post) is a National Park handbook and most of the photos shown (like this one) are not credited and are "public domain". There are more photos...many more...which will be shown later on.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjO7cr-i43XAhUpxoMKHWSiDIwQFghIMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBig_Bend_National_Park&usg=AOvVaw29-RNh2_ZeVaE-XRok1GCi
Here is a link from Wikipedia which has some neat info about the area.
More stuff and some actual modeling coming up soon.

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Sounds like a fun project-I will be a-watching

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Woodie,


It will be fun to follow your progress with the new layout!  Looking forward to you upcoming posts.


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Certainly a different and unusual mining operation, looks like a number of ATLAS HO water tanks could be used for the open topped tanks.

Looking forward to your new layout.

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"IT DOESN"T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR LOSE, IT"S HOW YOU RIG THE GAME"

I have thought that this is one of the better "tag lines" ever since Woodie started using it. Just to prove that the man "practices what he preaches", I dug this up from the past--






Woodie (white hair, seated) has just been passed a couple aces by Jesus (waiter, walking away)


Herb (who was there in spirit)

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Ken, the old Atlas tanks would be just right! I will have to look at the "flea market" while the Plano train show is going on soon. Of course, knowing me, I may get "antsy" and make the damn things from Pringles cans or something like that. Thanks for the idea!
Herb-yes, the old dudes playing "poker" down at the Bloated Goat #2...what fun that was! It's all in how you rig it...

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Well, I am still workin' on the railroad. It helps that I already had built most of it (the old SCPA&M) but I had to make some new pieces and of course, the premise changed. No longer the hard-core ore hauler, this railroad still serves some mines in the "Bend" but now has another source of revenue-the wax trade. And (due to the freelanced nature of this), the time is now circa 1950 or so. That's so I can use my beloved 49' Merc and Ford Tudor. Great reason for a time change, nicht whar?
So, here are some photos of new stuff with explanations.


This 70-some foot, 35 foot high trestle was needed to cross Boquillas Canyon. Needless to report, it still needs more "detailing" , better scenery, and proper facia to finish it off.


A new 3 stall enginehouse is being built, I loved the "prototype" 7 stall SCPA&M structure but needed a smaller one and the width of this section was trimmed down by about 18". Also gone is the smelter complex and large slag pile behind the "original"...I never really liked the slag pile (too much blackness) and in 1:35 scale, the smelter was just "too much" for me to model. If I was in HO or N, I might could have built a reasonable smelter but how much BS would I put up with to model HOn2 or Nn2? NO WAY! This enginehouse is stucco over brick and when finished will remind me of my old On20 and 35n2 Mogollon Railway, I love the look.

Then, there's this. At the "other end" of the line, there's a turntable and small yard and my ops buddy Dave suggested that I keep one of the Porters here to do some switchin'... and build a small enginehouse. This one is similar to the big 3 staller on the other end, the idea being that both structures were built by the same crew. Besides, I love the look. Both buildings have/will have shutters instead of windows since the details I intend to put inside are not very visible through punky windows, I want to see the details myself and not leave them to the spiders to appreciate!
Both structures are made from styrofoam planks, ripped down on my bandsaw from scrap blue foam and coated with Durham's water putty painted white.
In the background is a bit of the Hairpin Curve from the SCPA&M, unchanged, since that was the thing that got me interested in Western 2 footers to begin with.
Now, just some scenery, details, and other stuff. BTW-the track is all laid and operates nicely. I bought all the code 83 rail at the LHS just to be sure I'd have enough to finish. I have maybe 5 sticks left!

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Oh wow like very much even un finished what i remember from the '80s when i lived in plano there wasn't much but highway out that way now there are all kinds of business along the highway. I was a charter member of the spring creek modular club

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LIDGERWOOD ! ... LIDGERWOOD ! ... LIDGERWOOD !



:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:



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Nice work Woodie ! :thumb:

Can't quite believe you are kinda, at least in part, on your 3rd ! layout since I've known you. :shocked:

I figure the Lidgerwood has just got back from the new bridge building site. :)

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Woodie,

Really like that single-stall engine house.  I may have to steal, er borrow, you idea and build one for my own railroad.

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It's OK to steal/purloin any stuff I have shown. I am looking at structures that I built for the previous layouts to see if any could be re-used. Some of the mine buildings may work but the smelter buildings will become "fodder" for other stuff. Thank goodness I have boxes full of details which will be used and all my old autos, trucks, and horse/mule drawn wagons will find new homes here. I just have "so much" space to store structures, etc. that I won't be using so I need to make decisions about what is kept and what gets thrown...you know.
It seems that I have got almost all the "bugs" out of the trackwork and a bit more massaging with a small needle file will take care of any little problems. And I just looked at the rail stockpile, I only have 3 pieces not the 5 I thought I had. Ah, but the LHS called to tell me they had gotten in another bundle of code 83 weathered rail. Do you think they are trying to tempt me???

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EXTENSION ! ... EXTENSION ! ... EXTENSION !



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Si, it's a bit longer run than before. Remember "less is more", I have built the spaghetti bowl western before. I will post a track plan along with the garage dimensions...I need somewhere for a workbench, bandsaw, and tools. Also a small TV set, radio, digital fireplace, chairs, you know...stuff!
"Yield not to temptation!"

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Just caught up with this Woodie and it's coming along nicely. That window must throw a lot of light onto the layout, a great bonus, especially where it emphasises the mass of the trestle being lit to ground level.

Your historic affection for adobe type buildings is certainly coming out in the loco sheds and I wouldn't be surprised to see it elsewhere as well. Following with interest.

And Si, you really are a crane nut aren't you! :rah:

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" the LHS called to tell me they had gotten in another bundle of code 83 weathered rail "

" Do you think they are trying to tempt me "

" Yield not to temptation! "



Howdy Woodie :cb:



Yeah I know ... It's early days for an   EXTENSION ! ... EXTENSION ! ... EXTENSION !

I thought the local Code-83 pusher had got you hooked. :w:



Just wondering if the new double garage has a flat roof ??

That helix idea running up to one, which I saw in Model Insaneroader ...

... with the firemans-pole next to it, could work !! ;)



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" Si, you really are a crane nut aren't you! "



Hi Doug :wave:



I'm in therapy at the moment.

I've managed to stabilize the problem to ONLY four crane builds !



I was a bit disappointed not to see the BROWNHOIST ! on Woodies new layout. :f:

I guess he's saving it for Page-3 and the engine-house construction crew. :thumb:



Oh well, it's only the second Page ...

... and he did give us a glimpse of the LIDGERWOOD ! :bg: at least.

Can't complain really.



:P



Si.

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Woodrow. remember the olde model railroaders credo--

Buy when it's available, lest it be not there when you need it!


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Following the new build with great interest and admiration.  Really love the rustic appearance of the ties by the small engine house.  Superb!

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Bob, the ties are cut on my bandsaw. I was too lazy to fit a fine tooth blade but when I saw what the wood looked like after cutting some tie stock, I decided to keep on going. Sometimes a disaster becomes just right!
Herb, no, I ain't gonna buy 99 feet of rail. Maybe some more pieces but I will resist being tempted to "e x p a n d" the line.

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Woodie,

What's that two-prong doohickey on the top of Rosa #3?

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Woops...forgot to move Rosa's transmit crystal! If I don't stash them somewhere close to the locos, they tend to "walk away". Good eyes Michael, me bad.

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While "under pressure" to post something "worthwhile", I decided to show something small but mui importante to what I am trying to portray on this layout. Down in "The Bend", life was/is rough and humans exist the best as they can. Here is a photo from the book "Big Bend-A history of the last Texas frontier" which is a guidebook for those who want to visit the area. As I explained earlier, the Bend borders Mexico in SW Texas, the Rio Grande River runs through the rough, wild terrain. Folks living there found unique ways to build homes.

This family built their adobe home between 2 large boulders near Polvo, TX in about 1916. It looks rough but I am sure it was pretty cozy when it got cold and cool when it was hot! This photo is from the book and has no credits so I assume it is public domain.

Here's my "take" on the prototype. The 1:35 scale model is built from blue styrofoam sheets that I cut on my bandsaw and a couple of foam "chunks" that got carved a bit to resemble large boulders. This was then covered with Durham's Water Putty (a wonderful thing for most everything) and when dry, it will be "massaged" and stained with appropriate colors. I will try to carve the adobe bricks into the walls but won't obsess about it if I can't make it look OK. The idea is to include this on my model of the Big Bend Two Footer. I believe the folks who lived here harvested the candelaria plants which can be boiled down for their valuable wax-still used today in candles, etc. for the "upwardly mobile hipsters" with loads of spare cash.
I wanted to include a wax factory on this layout but space availability is at a premium and besides that, the industry seemed to be more of the "bootleg" variety, the railway hauls silver and gold ores.

Back to the model, I have become a big advocate of using styrofoam for most everything, from the layout itself to the scenery and most of the structures. And thanks to friend Dave Cox, the bandsaw is the best modeling tool I have...that and a supply of sharp, new razor blades and Xacto #11's.

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Looks great.  I expect to find some lizards and snakes upon close inspection.
Agree with preference of foam as an all around building element.  Amazing how much can be done with foam and how easy it is to work with.

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Nice!  Pretty cool structure and idea.  I like adobe. 

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I've been workin' on the railroad, most of the live-long day! Well, some here & some there. Here are some photos of what's happening down in the Bend.
I reused one of the old ore bins (tipple) which was on the old Mogollon Railway and then on the Silver City line. I try to not throw anything away! I did modify the bin to be filled by an aerial bucket tramway, something that was actually used down along the Rio Grande river near the little Mexican town of Boquillas. Of course I have taken some "liberties" with the model. The little settlement I am working on is just a dusty place along the river. Everything shown here is "under construction" and will get finished in a while.








Here's what I have so far... The dusty dirt road winds around a small mesa and the structures will "populate" one side of the road. Only one or two buildings shown will actually be used, I just wanted to see what "something" would look like. You can see that across the "street", the ore bin & tramway are located on a siding.








Here's the ore bin and tramway (still incomplete). Why does this have 2 cables you may ask? Well, the top cable is stationary and the buckets' guide wheels run along it, the lower cable is the "grip" cable which actually pulls the buckets along. I have seen some models of these trams and they all seem to have just one cable...the operating one I built long ago just had one cable. But the real ones had this arrangement. I have no idea what the large wheels looked like, they seemed to be covered by some kind of structure in the photos I have seen. You may notice that there is one bucket being tipped and unloaded at the bin, one coming to the bin-being full of ore, and one going out to the mine, still tipped.
Again, the structures will be changed and since this is MY layout, I may name this little place Boquillas (bo-key-as) and move it across the river to Texas.

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Looking very good Woodie.  I imagine it will be much more dusty once the ground cover is in place.  Gotta love manually operated stub switches.  They really involve you in the operation and draw you into the scene.
As you can see I have been paying attention and learning.......thanks.

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Thanks Bob. Lots more to go! We tend to think alike on track, couplers, and scenery. have fun and run a train...I'm fixin' to run one now.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:



Nice proto-photo find with the adobe boulder-house !

It ROCKS !! 


:mex:


I've always been a big fan of the engineers at the Phoenix Mining Co. ! :thumb:





They always seem to find clever ways to get their ore moving !! :brill:





Gotta get that pay-dirt outta those hills somehow bouyz ! :old dude:



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I do like those buckets Woodie. Do they actually run or are they static?

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It's all static. I had my "thrill" with the operating bucket tram. The buckets are scratch, the tower is same, the large wheels are just plastic wagon wheels with grooves cut into them for the "cables". Still plenty to do with that area anyway.

Here's the "original" tram from the old Mogollon Railway. The buckets were made of brass, the cable was model ship rigging, and the drive was an old geared motor with "bull wheels" made from r/c airplane wheels with grooves cut into them

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I am enthralled with aerial trams.  They made mining in some locations practicable.  There are many still standing from California to Colorado, empty buckets swinging in the breeze heading nowhere.
Great historical reference in "Riding the High Wire, Aerial Mine Tramways in the West" by Robert A. Trennert  ISBN 0-87081-631-4  University of Colorado 2001
It is a quick read and very informative about the basically two different systems used in the west.  Love the model!

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Howdy Steven, I am also enthralled(?) with aerial tramways, monorails, and track gauges of 24" or less! I built a static monorail on my old Mogollon Railway along with that operating bucket tram. These days, I'm more into actual operating the trains than worrying about how to make something work. Old age I guess. Who knows, that pesky monorail idea may resurface...Hmmm.

Here's the monorail on the MRy. Not finished but it did make for a couple of ore cars in the ops scheme.

And here's a close up of the "locomotive", similar to ones that were used by the Epsom Salts monorail in Nevada. I still have this loco...so maybe..........

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Hello Woodie. Sure looks like the move away from Dallas has done the boy good.

The aerial ropeway bullwheels looked very like what you have used, from what I remember as a lad; they used to fascinate me too. Often used in Britain to tip colliery waste spoil onto the 'bing', the conical pit head waste tips a short distance away from the shaft headgear. I'd stick with what you've done, instantly evocative to me.

I think I remember that on some systems the returning empties stayed inverted but on others the loaded & empty skips all hung the same way up. All long gone over here. Replaced by tattoo parlours, hairdressers and welfare cheque cashing outlets. Hey-Ho. I believe it's called "progress".

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Michael "Replaced by tattoo parlours, hairdressers and welfare cheque cashing outlets. Hey-Ho. I believe it's called "progress".  "
That really sums it up for the U.S. as well.  It is sad commentary on the "progress" of our societies.  Maybe walking uphill to school in the snow wasn't so bad after all.
WoodieEvery time I see pictures of the ol' Mogollon monorail I find myself studying the picture.  Such a great model and scene.  Really sets the mind to work.

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Progress? Here's some progress with "downtown" Boquillas...











These 3 photos show what's happening now. I wanted smaller structures (all still 1:35 scale) since I wanted a wider "road" and some space between the "town" and the aerial tram and tipple across the road. Of course, nothing is finished or even close to finished but I feel that I now have a representation of what a little settlement along the border would look like. I built the small mission style church many years ago, am re-doing it and it will sit on the edge of the mesa overlooking the place. It seems that little churches were built on higher ground most times...probably to be above the distractions below. The home between boulders is built right into the mesa and a couple of other small adobe structures are being situated along the street. The wooden structure shown in the last photo will be the town's saloon. Since I can't get away from Mogollon altogether, I am naming this business the same as previous affairs except this is the third version and will have a Spanish name-Cabra Hinchada #3...or Bloated Goat #3 (third version). There will be a lean-to on the side with some guys playing poker & drinking (like before) and parking for Model T's, mules and horses, and whatever else shows up.
Remember, I wrote that this would be "warts & all" and so it is. But at least my ideas are coming together...for now at least.

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Lookin good, Pard--Real Good!

Now get rid of that TV in the railroad "room". Things like that cause work to get done only  during commercials. Nasty!

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Herb, the TV is gone from the garage. However, I still listen to Radio Moscow and Mozart...
...and the occasional Lennard Skinnard (redneck rock to the unwashed!)...oh yes, Willie & Waylon & the boys...you know.

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Sounds like Agustus McRea and Woodrow Call might pay a visit, well at least Gus, sounds like a place right up his alley.  Would that be up river or down from Lonesome Dove?

No TV in our train room either.  But my 'puter plays westerns and Jamie Johnson, Joe Ely, R.E. Keene... and of course Willie, Waylon and me, 'cause they heard that the Burritos out in California could fly higher than the Byrds.

That monorail is the most coolest.  There was the old Sonoma Prismodal Railway built out near Sonoma, CA the only problem was they they could figure out how to make a crossing.  It quickly became a standard two rail affair.  I would think that thing might be not too hard to power.  

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Steven, it would be a "do-able" project to make the monorail operate. The loco could have pinion gears (like what I used) and a tiny gearhead motor inside the dummy motor. The board and battery (r/c of course!) could be stashed in a car right behind and wired to the loco. I suppose a DC or DCC loco could be built but then the single rail would need to be powered as the side bearing structure...and all that would need to be exactly built so voltage would be routed correctly. I did build a working monorail on my ancient On20 layout. It was DC and had brass strips on the side bearers, positive voltage on the rail, negative on them. It did in fact run but I only had about 6 feet to run it on. It was so fiddly to make it go that I never ran it but once...just to say "yes, it runs!". A larger scale and r/c would make it much easier.

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Steven B posted

"they they could figure out how to make a crossing."

Now I'm thinking that you meant that they couldn't figure out how to make one--right?

Why not have a piece of track a little longer than the widest  car or loco width, mounted on a turntable arrangement?

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If the monorail needs to cross a "standard railroad" line then it could either go up & over on a trestle (not the best) or go under the track in a culvert of some sort. If you're meaning a crossing of 2 monorails, that would be a problem since on an "A" frame line (Sonoma & Epsom Salts monorails), there are side bearers to keep the equipment upright. I don't see how that could be "engineered" but then I ain't no engineer. I can see where a standard railroad would be better, capable of hauling more tonnage, etc. but the monorails were built in places where it would be damn near impossible to locate even an "extra narrow gauge" roadbed.
Remember however, there's a prototype for ANYTHING!

**Turntable, Hmmm, that's an idea to think about***

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 "extra narrow gauge" roadbed

I guess can't be narrower than just one rail... unless you slice it lengthwise.

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If I remember there is something on wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lartigue_Monorail
scroll a bit down
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http://www.lartiguemonorail.com/index.php
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71677537
http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/lartigue/lartigue.htm
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Thanks for the links. The Epsom Salts line was a Lartigue type, the single rail laid on top of "A" frame structures. The last link MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO shows the line, slightly different info than in Myrick's Railroads of Nevada book. However, the photos show how narrow the canyon in the scene was...no "regular" rail line could be located there. Although the author of the piece couldn't see a loco, the "thing" with the umbrella sticking out the top is the loco. My "replica" of that loco was posted earlier. There was a nice article about this in an old Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette but I don't have that and don't remember the date.

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W C Greene wrote:

There was a nice article about this in an old Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette but I don't have that and don't remember the date.

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Thanks TC, I knew there was some info in an old Gazette. I sold my "collection"off about 10 or so years back and really haven't found anything interesting enough in the mag to spend $7 on lately. I do have the Myrick books about Nevada RR's and there is another bit of info in a little paperback I have. I may just find a bit of "real estate" on the new layout for a monorail terminal, there wasn't anything like that in the Bend...and no 2 foot railroad either...but I won't let such things get in my way!

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Yes, I had some information on the Sonoma monorail, but after the big move, I haven't been able to find much of it or anything else!  It must be in one of them thar totes in the future "Eastern Nevada."  Maybe my wife visited a landfill before we moved?
The word "prismodal" keeps popping into my head, as in "Sonoma Prismodal Railway."  As I can best remember it had some kind of "A" frame set up.  Regular public roads were unable to cross which is what led to its demise.  Probably not enough capital to tunnel or bridge somehow.  I don't know... what I do know is that I really like your idea for a monorail Mr. Green.

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Here's another view of my monorail effort, based on the Epsom Salts line in Nevada.The rail was atop the "A" frame supports, I believe this is what could be "prismodial".

Here you can see the supports. I placed them about 10 scale feet apart which appeared to be about right. I made these one at a time. On my old operating O scale monorail, I made a simple mold and cast the supports from resin. Either way, it is a time consuming task. As you can see, I named the line Boquillas Prismodial RR.i

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What the heck, here's another photo I found of the monorail. Like I mentioned, this was never "finished"

For that matter, whatever we do tends to not ever be "finished". Oh gee, now you have made me think about building another stinkin' monorail scene. DRATS!

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Man... that is just plain old cool.  Thanks for sharing!

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UPDATE: I may have found a bit of "real estate" for some monorail track...and another thing to fit into the operating scheme. Now, if I could just get all this stuff done, maybe I could actually do some OPERATING!

***The extra land will need to be stuck on near the aerial tram tipple. More work!***

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I knew it...
Jose.

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Jose, it ain't gonna be a working monorail...just static. That's one can o' worms I am not going to open! I still need to build the "A" frames anyway.

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ain't gonna be a working monorail...just static.
... famous last words...
Time will tell...
Jose.

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Nope, I learned my lesson...I build working models that run on 2 rails! Besides, I will only have about 6 feet of "track"...

But remember...never say never

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I will only have about 6 feet of "track".
EVERY layout started with "but dear, it will be only a little 6' shelf"...
Jose.

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Hey Woodie,

I have a 1923 Chevy 1 ton stake bed truck just gathering dust. It is 6" long, 2" wide. The figure is 2" tall. The hood opens to reveal the engine.   If this  would fit your modeling scale, I'll send it to you free of charge.

If interested, PM your mailing address.   Larry Gant

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Thanks Larry, I can always use another cool old truck...especially a TEXACO truck!
Now, on to the usual BS...
OK, the monorail subject is about to be done, or rather about finished. I rescued the old monorail "locomotive" and one old "gondola" and built about 12 "A" frame supports. I laid some code 83 rail atop the supports and have glued them down to the layout. I added about 8" more land near the aerial tramway and the little village of Boquillas.








So far...I just "staged" these little scenes just to see what it will look like. You may notice a straight pin with ball top holding down the frames, these will keep things in line while the glue dries. There is a long siding next to this thing which I originally just used for ore car storage but is now the "connection" with the ore brought in by the monorail from up in the distant hills and canyons, another place to switch cars in & out. Like I wrote, there's just about 6 feet of "track" and that's all I want. NO, this will not be operational...it is just scenery. But it got models that I had stashed in dusty boxes and filled the need for something "different" to do while the weather is lousy and I just feel like messing with something different.
Today, new years' eve, it is about 18 degrees and some sleet on the ground...just a fine day to mess around in the heated garage.

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Hehehehe, very cool. I like it because it is very unique and nicely executed.

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Now, back to 2 rail stuff...
Many years ago, my little On20 Mogollon Railway (long before the 1:35 layout) was "Shay powered" with modified MDC HOn3 Shays upscaled to On20. One of these still runs on the Gila Tram mini layout. Anyway, since I was into DC then, I wanted to be able to run one lokie at a time without any blocks, etc. so what I came up with was to install small magnetic reed switches in the locos' cabs which turned them on & off when I passed a magnet across the cab roof. This worked like a charm and later on, I wanted to duplicate the plan on my 1:35n2 r/c locos-still Shays. The problem was that I ordered the "correct" Circuitron parts that I had used before but by now, the company had changed the parts (same #) and apparently "cheapened" the things. I spent the dinero and bought a couple from the LHS and installed one in a loco. It promptly burned out. I installed the other one and it did the same, there is actually less power concerns in the larger locos and battery than on the old layout. I called the company and they told me that the parts were the "same thing" as before...no they WEREN'T. Oh well, I went on and used tiny SPST switches to turn off the batteries. These worked fine but I got fed up with having to get my big old fingers on the tiny switches every time I wanted to run or shut her down.
Lately, I found that MOUSER ELECTRONICS (I don't work for them or have any connection-I send them money & get the parts) has the switches that are EXACTLY what I used before! And since they weren't "made for model trains" or some such BS, they were cheap...about $2.50 each! So I ordered a pack of 10(in case I screwed one or two up) on a Tuesday...by Wednesday (one day later) the parts arrived at my door! What service! Now, I am about 100 miles from Mouser but still...
So, I will now install them in my lokies and then not have to touch the damn things unless they need a charge or jump the track.
When I get the job done, I will post some photos.
I can let out the "secret" part # if anybody wants it.
That's my story for today....

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Woodie,

Now you're gonna have to divulge all your information on these reed switches.

Sounds like a simple and easy way to take care of an issue.  I'm thinking they don't take up as much room as a SPST and are easier to hide.

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Echo what Michael said.  I have micro slide switches in all my little engines and am not crazy about having to pick them up all the time to turn on and off.  I have thought about reed switches but they are all either normally open or normally closed requiring a magnet to be present.  One of the DelTang receivers has built in circuitry to operate with a reed switch.  Otherwise it is necessary to have a separate switching circuit.  Interested in what you are doing for sure.

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OK, I will fix a loco and post some pix. These are normally open switches and I plan to "hide" the magnet in a tool box or some other bit of "detail" which can sit near the switch. I used the on/off switches long ago but had lights in the locos so I could tell when they were turned off. This way, I just have to remove the magnet and she's turned off.
More on the news update at 11!!!

BTW, the info from MOUSER are Little Fuse #934-MRPR-20-22-38...they are about $2.64 each (not 2.55) if you get a pack of 10 then it is $25.50. I was very pleased with the prompt service. MOUSER's phone # 800-346-6873 and they take all known or unknown debit & credit cards.

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Here's the switch and a metric ruler for size. Also shown is a small piece of a burned out can motor magnet which activates the switch. As you can see, the switch can be mounted somewhere on the locomotive and the tiny magnet can be inside a tool box, etc. which is then laid in proximity to the switch and it is "ON", remove the tool box and it's "OFF". Very easy and this gets rid of the pesky little toggle switches. The local Hobby Town has "rare earth" micro magnets which would work but I had this magnet and my being cheap, would rather spend $0 than spend $15 for a few magnets. Now, to install the switches...that will happen in a while. More to come.





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Also keep in mind that, if you have to bend the terminals, MUST hold them with pliers between the switch and where you want to bend them. Otherwise the glass will break.
Jose.

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Yep, I know that also. I used these over 20 years ago on my On20 layout and learned what one can and cannot do. I just converted Shay #1 and will post pix when I am through running it to the mines. Needless to report, it works fine. BTW, I broke down and bought a pack of teeny tiny rare earth magnets (100 for $13.00) and these are perfect for the purpose. No more messing with tiny SPST switches...wunnerfull!

Now, photos:





Coal bunker in #1, the reed switch is glued with Elmers (just to be safe) behind the coal boards and painted flat black. The old on/off switch wires were soldered to each side of the switch. The wires, etc. will be "cleaned up" later.





The tiny rare earth magnet has been glued to a piece of wood, later to be fixed up as a tool box or something else. This is shown to the right of the water hatch.





The little piece of wood & magnet is in place on top of the switch. The board is now active. The magnet has enough power to stay in place without any hassles. I made a pair of plastic tweezers to be able to take the magnet off the switch, it would attach itself to a metal tweezer. I may make a more rugged tweezer from brass later but am now having fun running, switching, and not having to mess with a silly little SPST... I am very happy.

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PS, looking at the above pix, I realize that I need to do "something" to the coal! I just love photos of incorrect stuff!!!

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Must be one of those newer highly fuel efficient models......it looks like the coal has gotten dusty.
Ordered a bunch of reed switches today.  Will be converting my fleet soon.  Then will only need to touch when removing to charge.  Thanks for the inspiration.

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That's great Bob...Your r/c life will be easier for sure. I found that I could use a piece of an old motor magnet to energize the switches but settled on the teeny rare earth magnets. I don't have too many spare motors and want to keep them assembled. I have since modified the little magnets, instead of making tool boxes, etc., I attached one or two to a piece of wood or plastic strip using CA and then painted them bright red. When not in use, they attach themselves to the locos' pins in the couplers and I can always see where they are. Plus the brass tweezer that I made makes it all ultra simple...just what I wanted! And remember what Jose warned about-be VERY CAREFUL bending the leads on the switches, they can get broken with too much horsepower. I learned that long ago, thankfully.

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OK then, here are three "last"photos of what's happening at the Boquillas Prismoidal RR interchange with the "Big Bend RR"(no, I haven't got around to an incorporated name yet!) at Boquillas, TX.





The "engineer" is showing off his new little puppy (inside his shirt) that he rescued from down in one of the canyons. Some of the "doings" in the little town can be seen in the background.





Here's a view of one of the monorail's cars built to haul sacks of cinnabar (mercury ore) which will then be loaded on a flat car, over the trucks, then hauled to the standard gauge interchange at Terlingua for the trip to the processing plant.





Here's another view of the "bag car" and the overhead hoist used for unloading the sacks and loading any equipment that is needed by the mines way down in the canyons. One of the fellows is unloading ore from the monorail to an ore car for delivery to the smelter.

The monorail scene is probably about finished, I am interested in working on a new mine with it's own "baby gauge" railroad.

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Very effective scene.  All the activity in the town along with the laborers working the exchange between the monorail and narrow gauge really bring it life.  Looks like a photograph taken a long time ago.

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Now we're talking.  Woody your scene "rocks"!  :thumb:  That is very well executed.

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Following up on use of reed switches.....
Ordered a batch from Mouser.  As you indicated they were received quite quickly.  Have converted all eight of my engines - love not having to pick up and turn on or off.  
I mounted the reed switches under the cab floor on the steam engines.  Using a piece of plastic straw and wire I turned the batteries into buckets.  Still need to fill the buckets with something.  
Thanks for the motivation.

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Bob, excellent! I have been operating much more since I got rid of the pesky little SPST's or whatever they were! After looking at your bucket/magnet, I think that I'll make my magnets into coiled up hose or something. The switches are between the coal load and water hatch on the Shays and vertically installed on the Porters. I think that I was too interested in getting things running again to devise some "detail" to hide the magnets. BTW, what kind of magnets did you use? The little rare earth jobs? I know that you are happy with this "conversion"...

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Yes - rare earth 1/4 x 1/8 magnets.  Very pleased with the outcome.  Understand the comment about running more now.  

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Here is a photo of "Hairpin Curve" as I built it on the late Silver City narrow gauge layout. I couldn't scrap this piece so it is the "centerpiece" of the new Bend layout.
I will post a photo of how it has been re-located from New Mexico to the Big Bend.  Matter of fact, the track leading to the curve is quite similar to the way it is here.

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Here is the "Hairpin Curve" in it's new situation...just about the same as the old situation.











Since I don't have "proper" lighting as yet, ye gets what ye pays fer...
On this freezing day in Texas, I opened the garage door which let out the nice warmth but allowed these pix. 
The curve has "sprouted" more flora and a sharp eye might be able to see a roaming puma (mountain lion) which frequent places in the Bend.
Lots have changed but the place remains about the same. 

One thing that used to bother me was a 6% or so grade on the far side of the curve in it's original form, 
now it is flat, in fact, the only grades on this layout now are these here on the curve, about 2% or less. 

My poor old lokies were wearing out from the 10% on the outdoor Mogollon and an almost as heavy grade on the Silver City line. 
Less is more, at least in grades VS locomotives.



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Looks great!  

To reduce the grade did you re-lay the track?  

Also, in my experience however, if you see a big cat, it is generally too late! :shocked:


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Howdy Steven, no I didn't do anything to the curve except introduce some greenery. Out there in NM, the location of the real curve is now "alive" with shrubs & trees...a far cry of what it looked like in 1907 or so. The track on either side of the curve is pretty much level. One side of the layout is 2% lower than the other side, or vice versa. I will try to take some better pix of what is now VS what was then. I tried to reuse as much of the layout as possible, I spent too much time & dinero building it to just trash it out. I still have much to do and boxes of "details" to include. Fun, fun, fun...





Here's the photo that started it all..."Hairpin Curve" on the Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon RR. Love that cabless Shay!





And a look at the under construction curve with little #1 and train in much the same pose as the original.

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Good job incorporating the old hairpin loop. You should buy a warehouse so you can just keep building new modules for us to enjoy.

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Brewdreau fellers..
Found you..boo waaw aw hahahahahah SO..Uuum..the idear about these engine sheds is that a railway will be familial in designs of buildings and lokey s/ rolling stocks..
same dude designs stuff.goes with what he knows..and etc..
I don't know where this message will fall 
Probably at the bottom of the thread...But foam is great stuff..I bought a hot wire foam factory years ago..one of the most clever things I have done.
Cholly

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I think all railroads will have some kind of family appearance.  Class 1 railroads much more than narrow gauge shortlines.


I took a old solder gun, took some brass wire bent to the desired shape, and screwed it into the two terminals on the solder gun to make my own 'hot wire' tool.  What can I say...I'm cheap!

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Hot wire cutter...I just screwed together 3 pieces of old 1X2 pine into a "C" shape, put a screw in each end of the "C", then ran some nichrome wire between the screws along with wires from an old Marklin power pack I have and when I turned the thing on full out, the wire cuts through blue & pink foam like "burnin' hell"...cost was about 3 bucks for the hot wire. I love it when a plan comes together.
Duane-I have a warehouse...my garage!

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Woodie,

What gauge of nichrome wire would work?

I got a couple of old Lionel transformers that would probably work.

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Michael, I just went to the LHS (Hobby Lobby would have this also) and bought Woodland Scenics hot wire. I don't know what gauge it is but looks similar to 20 gauge solid wire. This stuff is in 6 foot lengths for around 3 bucks. Probably any craft store would have the wire, many folks are into cutting foam for things other than making model rr scenery...I suppose there ARE other hobbies besides this one!!

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Continuing onward...some years ago I spent a bunch of time building this little sawmill for the old Mogollon Railway. This operation was just to supply ties, mine props, and trestle timbers, not your large lumber mill.





But then when I dismantled the outdoor layout and moved into the living room with the Silver City line, I couldn't find a place for this structure and it sat on a shelf...almost forgotten and getting dusty and full of cobwebs. With the new layout, I was determined to find some place for this. After all, I had spent all this time and made all this stuff and had no place...again. But then...











I managed to make room for one of my favorite things, the little sawmill. Right across the "street" from the little town of Boquillas I fitted in some more "land" and provided a few more jobs for the locals and another customer for the railroad. Of course there are more "details" to add and how about that be-ute-full old Chebby truck and 2 wheeler provided by Larry G up in the Dakotas. She needs some weathering but won't get as nasty as the old Ford TT sitting next to her. And now I have a job for the little CAT dozer, helping to load timber into the mill. Yep, the CAT was sitting unused also. All in all, it has been a nice project and all I had to do was add some "land" and dirt.

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Looking Great!!! :cool:  

Nice addition and am glad that you were able to dust it off and put it into service on the new layout.  

I seem to remember it from older posts, but it is a nice little mill.  

I knew a guy once who had a Gypo Mill, yours is not too far from what he had, although his was on a trailer, but about the same size.

That economic turn around is spreading, I love new start ups.  :2t:


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And now, something a bit different...

Some years ago (when I had a couple of extra buck$), I bought a Bachmann On30 2-4-4-2,
and promptly perverted it over to 1:35n2 with a new cab, larger bell & whistle, and crew.
Plus, the tender frame was rebuilt with a wooden job and could carry the r/c equipment and 1600 MAH 2 cell battery. 

Here she was after that "fun"...






I liked the job and put her to work...but that l o n g front end with the lead truck bothered me and it hung out too much, 
so I had to whack on scenery and really couldn't use the front coupler to haul ore cars. Oh well.

When I built the Silver City layout, there was no place on a Shay powered line for such a long & lanky lokie, 
and besides, I was "trying" to replicate a railroad that didn't own anything like her. 
So, she sat in a display case and looked forlorn.

The other day, I got mad at one of my Shays for liking to "take hikes" and not stay on the track. 
One Shay runs great but one is acting like.............
So, I looked at the tiny articulated again and recharged her battery. 
She runs like silk and can haul some cars, but that damned front end! What to do?






I got out the Dremel and cut off the long pilot, getting rid of the lead truck. 
And while I was at it, I built a new cab and did some work on the tender. 
She's now an 0-4-4-2 and looks like what I wanted anyway. 
She can now couple up at the pilot and haul cars bakasswards...no need (or capabilities) to turn her around. 
One way forward, other way tender-first.






I'm still thinkin' about the rear truck, she may become an 0-4-4-0 but right now I have a dependable and cool little engine.
I will find a crewman who can sit on the tender and watch the tracks while she runs tender first, but that's another story.



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Wow, that looks great!  

Will you remount the headlight high on the boiler, or are you just going to leave it off.  

It looks like a lugger, low and slow.


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Definitely an improvement over the stock 2-4-4-2 configuration.

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I like the revamped proportions without the pilot truck - the mallet looks more brutish and ready to work

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Well, I haven't thought about a headlight yet...maybe not. 
The railroad is a private industrial line which doesn't run at night.
If any feds show up griping about such "laws" then remember that this is the Big Bend and folks get lost easily down here!


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I've heard that the chupacabre is attracted to bright objects, like headlights...




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CHUPACABRA!  :w:  

Hay carrumba!


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Chupie sez "Howdy
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From long ago & far away... It was a dark and moonless night.

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The 2-4-4-2 is one of my favorite prototype locomotives. 

Soon one of the remaining ones will be operating on the Oregon Scenic Railroad a tourist line out of Tillamook, Oregon. 
I had last saw it in pieces laying on the ground at Snoqualmie Falls, WA back in the middle 1960's and after all these years it finally will be operating again soon. 

It was originally built for the Little River Railroad at Townsend, TN and then later went to the Carlisle Lumber Co. at Onalaska, WA, 
and ended up on the Deep River Logging Co. at Deep River, WA. 

In 1955 it derailed while backing up on a short trestle and landed on its side in a steam bed. 
Since the railroad only had a few months of work left they decided to just leave it there in the woods. 

A railfan bought it from the scrappers as is and they had to remove it in pieces since by this time the tracks had been removed and there were no roads nearby.  

It was Construction #33463 built in 1909 and weighed 71 tons and had a traction effort of 27,430 lbs.

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Here's their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/OregonCoastScenicRR/

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I mentioned that the "new" Mallet had to run backwards half the time and needed a crewman to sit on the tender to keep watch, along with the fireman, for problems on the track. 
After a few "volunteers", this one fellow got the job. 
He used to be a crewman on the old Mogollon Ry, with the same job on that railroad.






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And here is an old photo of the same dude "watching" from the pilot of a MRy Shay.





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Surprising he hasn't fallen off given all his drinkin'.


Woodie,

What size are the ties you use?  I've been cutting some ties out of 3/16" thick basswood.  Thought I'd try a little hand laying track.

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No amount of book learnin' beats experience. Sounds like you picked the right feller.

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Thought I'd recognize that feller.

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A while back, the Supt.'s Model T rail truck ran off the rails and injured the Super, the truck was a "total". 

Since then, the track inspections had to be made with an old T model "depot hack" which wasn't fitted with flanged wheels, bumping along the ROW on old bald tires. 
The damn hack was bumpy and jumpy enough but the inspection trip was causing the Super to be in a bad mood almost every day. 
Something had to be done!







The old "depot hack" was converted into a useful rail truck by the shop crew...
making the Super happy and saved him from a sore butt and nasty mood.






Here is the result in a nice full color hand tinted view and a untouched black & white photo.

Some info: 
The new truck has the same old Grandt 80:1 Micro Mo and the lead truck from the old T, 
but the power truck is a cast off from a friend's broken Bachmann HO Climax as are the drive components. 
The hack's open body was closed in with styrene sheathing and the pilot was from the old T also. 
The original 160MAH 2 cell Li Po battery and r/c receiver was used. 
Top speed of the new truck is....about 7 MPH.







Here is the "donor" for the new truck. 
Photo taken just before the old truck left the rails and took the Super on a little "trip" through some cactus and rocks.
As a previous US President quoted..."Change is good!"



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And while we are at it, the railroad has it's 1940 gas-mechanical back on line.







#6 Dee (named for my ops buddy Jim's wife) was sidelined for some time due to cracked gears in the mechanism. 
The unnamed manufacturer (Bachmann) provided parts that were not good enough to be used on a hard working piece of motive power. 

I found (in one of 1,000 or so little boxes of stuff) several nice Samhongsa HO diesel gear towers with helical gears of steel and brass, quality stuff. 

With some fiddlin', the gear tower and driven wheels were adapted to the Botchmann siderods and frames, 
and a "new" motor (an old flat can Sagami) was set up to provide very nice operation.

So now, besides a new 0-4-4-2 and the rail truck shown earlier, this lokie has eased the load on the road's 2 old and tired Shays. 
But I still LOVE them Shays!



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What a delight of a thread!!!

You know I forgive you everything but that d...d monorail keep laughing at me and killing me again and again knowing I will come back many times to look at it!!!

And the chopping of the pilot track of the Mallet was really what it needed.

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Where are you, Texano vago???


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Howdy Daniel, I'm still here but these days I would rather work on my layout and run trains...photos and thread updates aren't my priority right now. 
I will try to send something "new" when I feel like it. I have a feeling that some are tired of my drivel anyway.
I'm glad to see you here where your artistry can be appreciated.
Take care...

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Dear Woodie

I can understand you think that some are tired of your drivel ... 

I warned you: abuse of alcohol can cause the mind to go crazy and think such things. :bang:

But it is good that you take your freedom to post whenever you feel to do so.

At my island you, your comments and certainly your work are always welcome.

Daniel

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Howdy Daniel...no, there's no alcohol abuse with me, it was abusive enough when I was a younger dude! 
However, here are a couple of "employees" on the tender of #5 "watching" the backing operation"...






And they are drinking in front of the Supt. at the engine house!
Now, a new operation for those who want to "see the sights"of the Big Bend-the Gila Tram. 
The employees are cleaning up in preparation for the day's "flood" of tourists!











The tram has an ancient REO touring car modified to become a tour "bus" with an open air body and old Model T car seats. 
The mechanic is working on the radiator.
Background scenery includes the famous "window" rock and a view of the incredible garage door.



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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



Looks like Big Bend 2' is going GREAT ! in your new 'country retreat' double-garage.  :)





AWESOME scene !  :thumb:



And a VERY mysterious tunnel.  :P  ???



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Presumably the steeds are being limbered up in case the radiator can't be fixed and a different type of horsepower is needed to get the old tourist bus moving!:old dude:

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WOW...!!!!
Great, Woodie to see you back on track and at full steam!!!
Delightful images!!!
I hope you are not going to spare camera but keep posting lots of photos.
The building is beautiful!
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Layout is lookng good!

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Thanks Bill. I have been furiously working on something new...a wax factory. 

In the 1900's, the Bend had several "factories" which "rendered" wax from the candelaria plant. 
The wax was used in lubricants, candles(duh!), polishes, and...CHEWING GUM! 
It is still sought after today for scented candles sold to fru-fru upwardly mobile noveau-rich millennials and other such snoot in the air types. 
And yes, they still use it for CHEWING GUM! 

When I post some pix, I will relate more info (or an internet search can inform) about the wax and my model of a factory. 
NOTE- this is not an on-line industry served by the narrow gauge, the plants are brought in on burros and barrels of wax are sent out in old Model TT trucks. 

Geez, I gotta get a life!

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Be nice if those Model TT trucks could match the locos and be RCd as Giles Favell does with his vehicles!

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=3749&forum_id=45



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Lovely shots on this discussion.

Sitting here looking ay my own model parts and thinking: O.k. I need a similar sort of layout experience of my own, time to get cutting and gluing. :P

Thank you for the continuous inspiration.

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Doug, with my luck, the r/c Model TT would run off the layout and #$%^&*...Giles is a master, I am but a caveman blacksmith.

Back to the wax works.
Woodie

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I bet Neolithic man didn't say that when he invented the wheel!!!:brill:

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Been hearing all "the wax" since page 1:

"wax which was used for lubricants, polish, and, yes, candles.
Matter of fact, the snooty "new age" types still love the candles made from the plant to add "atmosphere" to their million dollar homes.
Imagine what a cool model that would be! I may in fact build something like this for the layout."

13 pages later:

"I have been furiously working on something new...a wax factory.
...wax was used in lubricants, candles(duh!), polishes, and...CHEWING GUM!
It is still sought after today for scented candles sold to fru-fru upwardly mobile noveau-rich millennials and other such snoot in the air types."

OK we've heard all the "wax".
Where's the works?

Lots of talk and Chewing gum?
But no photos.

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OK, ya want photos?











The wax factory as it is now...unfinished. 
More info is available on the Silver City Narrow Gauge thread which I posted there not thinking at the time.






Here's another view of the "Hairpin Curve" which is now the wax factory's location. 
The area in front of the horse & rider back to the hills beyond is "prime real estate".



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I am waiting for new photos... :old dude:

Yeah...! So do I. :y:

We all are getting nervous so you better post some images soon... :mex::mex::mex::mex::mex::mex::mex:

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I have been "busy" with this n' that...here's something new however. 
While reading about rolling stock in the GILPIN ERA book, I became "interested" in the GT's little cabooses (cabeese?) and decided to build something similar. 
For more "inspiration", I sat at this here computer for a bit and while doing so, I ran my little Gilpin Tram On20 layout for a while. 

As I looked up to watch the tiny Shay and it's train of GT ore cars and tiny caboose...and there she was! Just exactly what I wanted to build, again. 
The little hack was built for my old On20 Mogollon Railway and is about 20 something years old.






On the right is the original, complete with it's ancient Central Valley HOn3 (On20) sprung arch-bar trucks. 
At one time she had just 4 wheels but tended to bounce around (that's why they call em' bouncers) too much for me. 
And she still has the old M2Ry lettering. This little gal has more real miles on her than many real ones!






So after several days of building and thinking and memories (the Gilpin Tram layout was owned by my late buddy Joe Bostick and he ran the train most every day)...
I rolled this red job outta the shops. Built of basswood with an aircraft plywood frame and rolling on some old Grandt Line SR&RL trucks. 
The red paint is old also, Floquil lacquer "AT&SF Red" which looks like what I wanted.
So there they are, the little one is over 20 and the big one is less than a week old. 
Now the little one can go back to work trailing her tiny train and the big one will be trailing ore cars from Terlingua to Boquillas.

    JUST EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED



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GREAT!!!

Beautiful furgones de cola, Woodie.

Plenty of character and perfectly fitting the scene.

Number 2 looks also beautiful.

Thank you for sharing.

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The Gila Tram, the tour bus line in the Big Bend, needed something larger to carry more tourists through the canyons and scenery of the bend. 
They had only an old REO touring car adapted with a larger roof and it could only carry maybe 7 or 8 folks...hardly a paying proposition. 

Something needed to be done and when word came that up in Alpine, TX there was an old British double decker bus, 
which was being used as a roadside promotion for a "snake and lizard" show, 
the Gila owners jumped into action and bought the non-running hunk of rusty metal, hauling it down to the "offices" in Terlingua. 

There the old curiosity was rebuilt and adapted to a life along the Rio Grande river. 
The original motor was a piece of rusted junk so the mechanic found a suitable 1930 Ford Model A truck motor, 
and some other parts of the Ford, the hood and radiator and the front wheels. 

The bus also got a set of old military truck rear wheels which all replaced the ancient hard rubber tires, 
which wouldn't give a good ride along the dirt and rocky roads in the park.
 
Well, that's my little story about this machine.











So, here she is with a nice new green and tan paint job, ready to haul some visitors from Terlingua down to Boquillas.






And here is a wretched photo of the first "run" to the dusty little border town. 
A bit more "detail", maybe some seated tourists, some "stuff" lashed down on the roof, and the Tram's name on the side will be added as I see fit. 
But now I have spent some time building this thing and full ore cars are waiting at the mines so back to work.

Ingredients: 
Airfix 1:32 scale Omnibus kit, Lindberg 1:32 scale Model A pickup kit, 
radiator and front wheels/tires from a diecast 1:32 Model A, 
rear wheels/tires from a 1:35 scale military 4 X 4 kit, and some razor saw work.



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Excellent job, Woodie!

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Looks very good. 
The mix is a very good, interesting one and in this moment here Mr. Wallet hates you.

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Great combination Woodie. 

The tourists should miss nothing of the scenery - assuming they can see through the dust!



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So, here she is with a nice new green and tan paint job, ready to haul some visitors from Terlingua down to Boquillas.



Quite the creative kitbash. 

I really like its color scheme.



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Great work on the ol' Airfix bus !  :thumb:





You musta chopped 2 or 3 of these over the years now, by my reckoning.  L:

The new front end is a nice mod.  :)



Yeah ... I agree with Forrest ... fancy paint job !  :P



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Si, I first built the Airfix double kit-bus and fire truck...and then a bus. 
All the models went "south" in the hot Tejas sun. The new ones will not get such a cruel fate. 
The next bus I do will have a Model T hood & radiator. 
I just don't care for the old "box" style hood and besides, I can't build something correctly anyway.


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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



I noticed  EVENTUALLY that on this 'Airfix' bus of yours ... the    l  o  n  g   front hood ...

... is 'Woodies Custom Shop' shortened.  :shocked:





Probably running a BIG Harley motor or sumtink ?  L:

Wish I'd shortened mine a bit ... I figured I could have lost 1 section of windows as well ...

... AFTER the darn critter was all M.E.K.ed to hell !  :f:



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LINK & PIN COUPLER CONVERSION:

OK, the T GS & B uses link & pin (Lincoln Penn) couplers but the gasoline/mechanical "DEE" has looked sorta out of place with just l&p coupler pockets. 
I have seen "conversions" between them and knuckle couplers in "real life" and photos. 
I remember seeing knuckles coupled to links in person at the old West Side Lumber Co. before they went down. 

Sooooo, this rainy (here in Tejas) morning I was "cleaning out" some funky old boxes of "treasures" which mostly got pitched out. 
I did find an old "O" scale dummy knuckle coupler and thought "Hmmm, a rainy day project!". 
With a new cut-off wheel, some pliers and a little #72 drill bit, I made ONE conversion coupler. Here 'tis:







From the book WEST SIDE PICTORIAL by Ferrell, here's a photo by Bill Laux showing just what I saw for myself long ago...
a knuckle coupler fitted with a cut out knuckle and a pin connected to a l&p coupler. 

The WSLCo (and others) used these on locos also, matter of fact they were installed on both their little IC lokies.







My version...Using the old dummy coupler, I drilled a hole through the knuckle, cut a slot for the link, 
and after cutting the shank a bit, I cut it to fit into Dee's coupler pocket and drilled another #72 hole to hold this in the pocket.












Here it is shown mounted in Dee's pocket with a "proper" pin so it could be taken out if needed. 
Yep, she walks, she talks, and she couples to any of the "old style" cars. 

I thought of using a beautiful, operating set of brass PSC couplers but will wait now to find another old dummy in a box of crap. 
As the old bit goes- "If it ain't Scottish, it's craaaaap!" I must have a lot of Scottish parts here.



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That works!





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Very clever, Woodie.
And useful!!!



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Here's an oldie that I found while looking for a photo of something else. I don't think it was ever posted anywhere here.





A view of the old smelter on the Mogollon Railway and the repair area for the company's road vehicles.
I found all the old "details" and parts in a box the other day and will incorporate them into a new scene...in a bit.
At the left are some examples of what the hot Texas sun does to plastics after a couple of years!


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Full of atmosphere Woodie and the jellymold bodied vehicles could have decayed under the influence of rust -

except I doubt it ever rains around the Mogollon!




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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



My  C :cool: :cool: L ness  meter just bent its needle at FULL DEFLECTION !  :shocked:



The Mogollon equivalent ^^ of a Saturn-V lift-off ...

... if they can get the shagged out motor in that rusty dusty ol' piece of funky junque working !  :f:



Those Texas sunbeams give an incredibly pleasing big bending effect to ones relegated shelf queens.  ;)

They aint too bad at making the Box Brownie historical records come out nice neither.  :old dude:



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Woodie,

Great modeling - I like the interesting junk parked in the old smelter yard.

That radiator grill on the front of your diesel Dee looks great, too.

Keith

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Woodie,

What a terrific photo.  It has real atmosphere.

I love that boxcar far back on the siding it gives it a kind of lonely feeling.

I can almost hear the steps creaking and feel the heat of the hand railings.

Superb!

Tom


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:glad:

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L !!!

:bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:


And also NEW to me!!!

:2t::apl::2t::apl::2t::apl:


I do not see anything bad in the intervention of the Texas sun wanting to participate in your modeling,
by neatly reproducing things as the traces of springing kids on the bonnet of an old car and of an even older truck!!! :us:

Thank you for sharing it, Woodie. :thumb:

Daniel


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Well, here are a few more old photos from down in The Bend...















In one corner of the layout there was (for a while) just a mine tipple which could handle just 2 ore cars without fouling the main line.
The area just "begged" to have something, anything to "spruce" it up.
So here's a little "sprucing"...
A small open-air truck repair shed was quickly constructed to fill the vacant area.
I had to be careful with this since I didn't want to cause access to the mine switch or coupling problems due to something being in the way.
So, I found a place where the scene could be built and operation wouldn't be compromised by hands whacking "detail" while messing with switching.
Also, the 2 car siding was "fixed" so it now can hold 3 ore cars...more money for the mine owners.





AND...to make things a bit better, I built this wooden water tower using an old pipe tobacco tin as a form for the tank.
A spout made from brass tubing and a ladder pretty much did the detail job.
The small adobe "mansion" next to this was a larger structure which was on the old Mogollon Railway for years...outside...
and was cut down in width and height to suit the real estate near the mine siding and tipple.
Yep, it has "water" in the tank...epoxy water.
Oh, there's still more crap to do here but now it has become something more than just a mine in an out of the way place.


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Also, just to show how large critters can grow in the Big Bend area of Texas, here's proof that things are much bigger in Texas!!!





I hope the inbound train can stop in time!


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The big cats aren't too much of a problem, cept when they leave ore deposits on the right O way.

Nice shots as always.

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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



Is that 'Dune Bug' ?  ???

I can't quite recall if that's 4-foots name.  L:

I think he/she was listening to the rails, to see if a trains a comin' ... & dozed off !  :y:



Great B&Ws !  :cool:

You know we want  more  More  MORE  MORE !  MORE !!  :P



:mex: :mex: :mex: :mex: :mex:



Si.


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Si, she is in fact named Mina, after one of Pam's grandkids (who named her) but kitty's favorite munchie is...June Bugs...
large rolly-polly winged slow moving bugs that seem to arrive here in....June.
She loves them and their crunchy legs!
So, she's Mina June Bug, little kitty, and some names which would be deleted in this forum.
Mina is a Manx cat with a "bunny rabbit" tail, long back legs, and a mistrust of humans.
She was rescued from a front porch when about 4 weeks old and was homeless.
Yep, she is the "princess" of the house and gets to do pretty much anything she wants...
to the consternation of Jake cat and dogs Frank & Eva.


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Great images, Woodie, as always.

All I can say is I second Si's  "You know we want  more  More  MORE  MORE !  MORE !!  :P "

Daniel




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Changes along the Bend...
The Silver City Narrow Gauge ran around what became my favorite place, the Hairpin Curve...





Here you see #1 (ex Gilpin Tram #1) hauling a train of empties up to the mines.
This is how the curve looked then, as "faithful" a copy as I could manage.





Here's the REAL DEAL as shown from another angle.
This photo is what gave me the "hots" for narrow gauge when I was a wee child.
This photo has been in many books and magazines but I think I lifted it from Duane Ericson's "Silver City Narrow Gauge" for this post.





And another view as it looked after being moved into the garage and locale changed to the Big Bend of Texas.





Well, I had a "hankerin'" for a wax factory,
similar to those built in the Bend to boil down the candelria plants to make a valuable commodity-wax.
The factory diorama was installed right in the middle of the curve. I thought this was a great thing...at the time.
But I missed the  w i d e  o p e n  space that the curve offered. 
So, another change...





This is almost the same viewpoint as the previous photo but now the wax factory has been taken out and the curve will be "empty" as it used to be.





Nothing but dirt, rocks, and later-scrub brush, cactus, and maybe some trees.
You can see a couple of wrecked ore cars under the bridge at the right...
they were "bad orders" and instead of messing with them, I threw them under the bridge where they became "details".

Hell yes, there is lots more to do and the wax plant diorama will be incorporated into a small "extention"
(I thought I was through with such stuff) to be located near my work bench.
Change is good as long as one gets what one wants.


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You say about new extensionS:
"I thought I was through with such stuff."

An old wise man said:
"Do you want God to smile?  Tell him your plans!"

[toast]  for all the many extensions to come.

Daniel

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Daniel, the 'stention will be approx. 3.5' by 4' and will be not quite over a work bench.
HOWEVER, I will need a "lift out" section since access will be across the door to the inside of the house.
But then, I already have such a thing (lift out) which is across the electrical breaker box in the garage...just in case!
This is all still in the "planning" stage, thinking and drinking a cuppa (coffee to you non-Aussies).
So,I do have something I want for Christmas...a 4' by 8' piece of 2" blue or pink foam!
What more could I want???

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That's looking really good Woodie,

and if it's any consolation, you may remember that Updah "suffered" a couple of extensions for the loco service area.

I was quite iffy about it at first but it all worked out OK in the end!

I'm looking forward to seeing how the wax factory likes its new surroundings.

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 ... Wait a moment, Woodie...!!! 

  :shocked:  You have there foam pieces in 4' X 8'size...? :shocked:

:bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:

L: ... May be that's the reason why so many people is trying to get into the US...  :us:
I've never seen such a jewel here but if one day I see one I'll pick it up and run away...!!!:pop:

Daniel

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Howdy Daniel,
here in the wilds of Tejas, we can get 4 by 8 sheets of 2" blue or pink foam in thickness from 1/2" up to 6", the thick stuff ain't cheap however.
I wish it could be done cheaply, I could send you a sheet of 2"...but the air fare would be outrageous!
See if anyone over there sells DOW CORNING building materials, they might have some there.

Woodie

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Woodie

Don't worry: I have no room available for a 4'X 8' plate here,
and eventually (if one day I am lucky to get a bigger room for my hobby),
with a simple super light wooden frame two pieces of 2' X 8' foam would work.
Would be a lot of fun to join, instead, a row of six or more 4'X 8's and let the modeling flow,
and the muses carry me were ever they want... L: ...

But thank you, dear friend, for that everlasting desire to help of yours.

Daniel

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Thanks for the pictures and inspiration. 

Where do you get your 2” thick foam Woodie? 
I’m not far from the Big D and I do mean Dallas. 
I can only find 3/4 locally.  

Stephen.


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Howdy Stephen,
the SW Vault co. moved away (where we bought foam for years)
BUT if you drive a little, the HOME DEPOT on Hiway 66 in Rowlett has the stuff.
They carry different thicknesses and I get the pink 2" from them.
Matter of fact, the pink has a higher PSI rating than the blue so it's OK by me.
I believe that I saw some at the Home Depot in Rockwall on I-30 but don't quote me on that.
The local On30 group is searching for another company to get foam, the SW Vault sold it to us for wholesale prices...
the Outlaws were the only "retail" customers to get that price probably because we bought foam from them around 20 years ago!
Oh well, progress!


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I couldn't resist the nice salt box car on the N I & E RR painted in a groovy yellow (mellow yellow)
so I had the shop crew paint the "mysterious" SCPA&M box car in a similar fashion.
This is not the same car as shown in Michael's thread:





which is the wood "insulated" box car from the old Mogollon Railway.
This old car now serves as a sand house and is up on blocks near the coal supply and water tank in the Terlingua yards.
The "mysterious" boxcar was apparently a real thing.
According to Duane Ericson's account of the SCPA&M-"Silver City Narrow Gauge" book,
the inventory at the end of operations listed a "box car" but there is no photo anywhere and that is the only time such a car was mentioned.
Therefore, it is "mysterious".
So, I figured that I could build a totally accurate, nitpicker proof replica...
and since I did that, I felt free to change the color from red oxide to yellow.
BTW, the car was thought to be metal, therefore it is riveted together.
This car will become the wax factory's car when that operation gets back in business.
Wheew, too much to 'splain.


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nitpicker proof...

Ha!. Famous last words. But a nice model anyway.

Jose.

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Well Jose...the ONLY pickers who knew what it looked like are LONG DEAD by now anyway. LOL

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Woodie,

Very nice metal boxcar.  Is that a corrugated roof on top?

I could see one of those on my line also.

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Woodie

Apart of the last photo making me feel nostalgic with the Mogollon's unforgetable atmosphere,
both cars look great and very strongly resemble the range of cars O&K made for the 2' gauge military railway in Yucatan, México.

Maybe you remember I shared photos of them a dozen years ago at the FS32NG group.
If I manage to trace some of those photos I'll post it here.
(May be you recall we had at the group a discussion about what were the cattle cars been used for,
because 2' gauge portable track and a load of horses where not an image of exactly stability... Remember?)

Now: your canary car is claiming he needs dirt and weathering but is beautiful.

Daniel

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Michael, no that is just a flat metal roof BUT there was a mention of perhaps the car was made of corrugated metal...
that would be too "sugar cane-y" for me but yes...I might put a corrugated roof on her.
The mystery of it all.
Daniel, please post those photos here if you find them.
The blue car was "influenced" by a Mexican box car, the yellow one came to me in a "vision" or maybe a fog!


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And thinking about south of the border narrow gauge,
I recently "re-habed" the Gila Tram #13 4-4-0 which had been on a dusty shelf for a while.





Some may say that this loco was too small (internet chit-chat) but then maybe they didn't know about a real prototype.
Baldwin built the smallest (7 tons) 4-4-0 for commercial use for a Mexico City tourist line.
That was my inspiration for #13.
Here she is/was hauling a tour car on the Gila Tram which operated on some of the Mogollon Railway.
When I built the SCPA&M, that line didn't have any rod locos so this little lady sat on a shelf and then in a box for a couple of years.
When I get around to taking a new photo of her since the rebuilding, I will post it here.
The one photo of the "real thing" is in Gerald Best's MEXICAN NARROW GAUGE book and the image is rather small.
The loco was smaller than the Mt. Gretna 4-4-0's up in Penna.
As Jose would comment about nitpickers, they might want to pick this one but the real thing was just as small as this is.
Sooo nitpickers, pick away...and let's see YOUR model!
Betcha don't have one!


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Woodie
I am still searching for those images.
I am sure I posted several at the FS32NG Modelrail group,
but when I lost my Yahoo account, I also lost access to everything, Yahoo groups and my old Flickr which now I only can access as a visitor.
My lone brain cell -with it's not too reliable memory function- is telling me the photos of the Mexican cars came from O&K #600 catalogue...
I am now visiting my old Flickr and so far the only vaguely related images I've got are these ones:










B... but I'll keep searching.
Meanwhile here are three little Mexican compensations for the frustration:















Daniel


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Thank you Daniel, very cool photos indeed.
I love the little cars with 2 trucks underneath.
Now, here is the further blatherings about the 4-4-0.





Here is the F. C. de Tacubaya's "Susana", Baldwin #15241 built 3/1897 and shown to be 6 tons instead of the 7 reported earlier.
Photo by E. L. deGoyler (a Dallas guy) from the Mexican Narrow Gauge book by Best.





And here's Gila Tram #13 after some "rebuilding" and now in use down in the Big Bend of Tejas.

She's a tiny girl but does get used for a bit of ore train operations when the persnickety Shays cause problems,
the big Mallet is in use, or Dee the diesel is out of gas.

The railroad still owns the 2 Porters but they are kept as standbys in case everything is down or needs some "recharging"...

The Gila Tram normally has runs every day (except Sunday) at 9am and 2pm.
But what is normal anyway?


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Ok, you got my attention.
I am planning to do a smally 4-4-0 as one of my experiments.

What did you use for the wheels and boiler?
I have been eyeing the old Mantua/pocher locos in HO scale.



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Well, old #13 is/was a Bachmann On30 4-4-0 with a 1:35 wooden cab and some PSC O scale detail parts (headlight, whistle, etc.)
and a "proper" 1:35 crew in the cab and standing on the tender.
She still has the green boiler and tender and I may repaint her sometime...but I rather like the green.
BTW, what type of experiment are you planning that involves a 4-4-0?



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Well. I really want a 4-4-0 I like that 1890's look.
I will likely make something that matches no prototype.
I am eyeing Mantua 4-4-0's for when one goes on sale on the auction site cheap, then I will mod. the cab and make it into 1:55n3.

I am trying to keep things sorta dinky, so Bachmann On30 would not suit my needs as it's just too big.
And, I try to only use cheap crap too.

But first I gotta work on this caboose I am building.



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Here is the new extension that runs across the door from the garage (layout room) to the rest of the house.

A new and maybe "final" piece will be added in the corner (to the left) with a standard gauge interchange and the infamous wax factory.





The section is shown mated to the layout near the enginehouse and smelter at Terlingua.





Here's that section without the lift out in place. Terlingua enginehouse, yards, machine shop, and the smelter.





Moving out of the yards, you see the rotary furnace on the left and beyond that is the water tank.

Across the track is the coal platform which is serviced by a dual gauge section with the SP.

The Gila Tour building is seen in the distance near "window rock" and some large spires.





There is some "activity" at the tour bus line and the "Lost Money" mine is being worked in the background.

The adobe structure on the right is currently empty and not named...The track leads on to:





"Hairpin Curve" which was magically moved from near Silver City NM, to the Big Bend.

Perhaps a future story for the "Ancient Aliens" TV show!


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WOW! - this is becoming another spectacular Woodie!

Is There any house left to live in?!


Definitely up to your usual high standards,

and I'm always impressed with the ground cover effect that you get - a very dusty, crusty deserty nature.


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Now, we continue after a short "pit stop"...





The "Corner Mine" at Glenn Springs is a bit further along, the curve is at the left.

Here is a water tank just after crossing Glenn Springs trestle and some unnamed structures.

Then the track runs across:





Tres Diablos Canyon. I don't know if there ever was such a canyon in the Bend, but there are many down there.

The name comes from over 20 years ago on my old On20 Mogollon Railway (not the one in the back yard which was 35n2).

To the right you can see another lift out section which is needed because the power panel is in the wall and if I blow a fuse, then..........





We arrive at Boquillas with the aerial tramway and monorail shown.

This is a lively little border town and Bloated Goat #3 is the building with the tour bus and Model T in front.

You can see my Skil bandsaw which is one of my most favorite tools!





This is the little sawmill at Boquillas which provides ties, mine props, and other cut lumber as needed.

The Boquillas yards can be seen to the right.





Shay #1 and articulated #5 are shown near the water tank.

The single stall enginehouse is shown as are the "NMRA Approved" car weighting system (6 pennies) in the ore car.

On the far wall is seen an old LIONEL store ad, an ancient Star Trek poster,
and a political poster for old friend Kinky Friedman who ran of Texas Governor some years back.
He SHOULD have run for President of the USA!





And here is the "end of the line" at the little enginehouse and turntable.

Little Porter #3 "Rosa" and gas-mechanical #6 "Dee" are here as is the SCPA&M derrick car.

All the locos (except the articulated) can be turned at the ends of the run
but I like the Shays to run in reverse because I can watch the gears turn
and the big lokie runs tender first back to Terlingua.

Well, that's about all...so far.
The "last section" will be built sometime soon, I hope.
But right now, I have about all I can handle...down here in the Bend.


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Howdy Doug...there is a lot of house to putter around in, my trains are kept in the garage...
well except for my little 2 by 4 foot Gila Tram layout which resides near this computer.
I like to watch her run while I laugh at some of the stuff I read on "de net".
When my "anti-social security" check arrives, I will get a piece of foam and then.............



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Once again proof that a move only results in another new and exciting railroad. 

Looking great!



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" Perhaps a future story for the "Ancient Aliens" TV show! "



Howdy Woodie  :cb:



:shades: The truth IS out there  .   .    .



That  :shocked:  A LOT A  :shocked:  railroad, you get into a double Texas garage !  :thumb:

Thank goodness for extra WIDE & LONG pickup trucks !!  :P



" ... the "NMRA Approved" car weighting system (6 pennies) in the ore car "



It's exactly THESE kinda top-tips I tune into the Big Bend Channel for ...  ;)

... friend o' mine always used a 50-Pence piece on his record-player arm, for 'perfect' tracking ! ...  :shocked:

... OK if you don't mind brushing off the vinyl-swarf, as well as the dust, after spinning 'Paint It Black' ! ...  :P

... watch out for your axle-bearings though, you might try 3 pennies with a full ore-load.  :cool:



" He SHOULD have run for President of the USA! "



I've got no idea about your pal Kinky Friedman.  :us:

If you ever run for Governor of Big Bend though, you could count on my vote buddy !  :thumb:

It'd be GREAT to see some lil' 1:35 scale VOTE GREENE posters nailed up here & there.  ;)


:old dude:  In all seriousness, yer know we try to be here, 'The Line' is lookin' GREAT !  :bg:

You've been BUSY ! by the looks of things Woodie.  :)



Following your end-to-end 'tour' of 'The Line' in pics. was most enjoyable. 

Some familiar sights along the R.O.W. ... as well as some new.

This looks to me like 'The Directors Cut' 1:35n2 Box-Set to me !  :cool:

E  X  T  E  N  D  E  D   plus NEW & never-before-seen (line) footage, tellin' THE REAL STORY !



Too much verbage from me ... but a lot to talk about ...  :pop:

... I'm gonna SHUT UP though & just look at the pictures ...

... & hope the train I'm ridin' gets to town & that cold beer waiting in the Bar ...

... as QUICK as an ol' Shay can go !  :slow: :slow: :slow: :mex:



It's DAMN HOT !  :boogie:  down Big Bend way !!



:moose: :moose: :moose: :moose: :moose:



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I think your modelling keeps getting better and better.




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Woodie,

Your new layout looks as inspirational and awesome as ever!

The photo tour of the line was very interesting - lots of ideas and details in every photo,
and I find myself studying the photos and see something new every time.  


I like the small stories you tell in your modeling, whether at a small line side business or mines. 

The layout looks like it would be a lot of fun to operate on, too.

Keith


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What the others say. Another great layout! It is always nice to see your modeling.

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Thanks guys, some day I will get around to putting up backdrops and "proper" lighting...or maybe not.
The backdrops would be just for photos, they would be in the way of operation and that is what I love to do-operate.
Operate on balky Shays and other silly things.
I'm still thinkin' about motorizing those two turntables, r/c car servos would do the job and I gots a few of them.


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Something new...and different.

I decided to use a large mine structure from Silver City as a smelter in Terlingua,
and the loaded ore cars needed some kind of access to dump ore inside the smelter.

Some time back, I had built an incline in Silver City to do this same job,
and when I dismantled that layout, I had this incline trestle stashed in a dusty box...way too dusty.
So when I was looking for some other thing to mess with, I came across the incline trestle and had an idea...more work.

I installed the incline leading to the new smelter and this caused me to build a switch (turnout) off the main line to use the new installation.
OK, that worked but the ore cars don't really go inside the smelter,
that might be a place where something would derail and then, well you get the idea.

How to hold a train of cars in place on the incline without fouling the main,
and needing to keep a stick or something to keep the cars from rolling away...
Here's the "mother of invention" and how I figgered' it out.





How to hold the cars from rolling...some sort of "brake".

I have plenty of these Caboose Hobbies HO ground throws,
and thought that I could perhaps use one in an "unorthodox" way to help hold the cars (shown).





The ground throw was "installed" vertically with a piece of small brass tubing (or rod) solidly epoxied to the throw,
so it could go up & down to become the brake.

The rails needed to have a slot cut into them, across from each other, and a couple of crude "support blocks" installed,
to help keep the ore cars from pushing the rod out of the way.

I also needed to cut slots in the tubing so that the wheel flanges would run across the tubing without bumping or derailing.





Here the tubing is shown in the "stop" mode which effectively holds ore cars in place without any hassles.
Note that I painted the throw's "handle" yellow so it could be seen amongst the grimy and dirty surroundings.

I imagine that this "idea" might be useful in other applications or maybe not.
But it works here and now operations are somewhat enhanced with this modification.

Now I can continue with the scenery and "mo' better" junk and debris which will make this look like it has been here all along.


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Unorthodox but cunning!

I'm surprised that the tube doesn't flex at the cutout points.



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Doug, you might be right about the flexing...
I will go a bit further and install a piece of steel wire inside the tube which will (hopefully) make it all OK.
I have been using this thing for a couple of days and it seems to work as advertised...so far.
The tubing actually goes further down than I thought so it may not have needed much "flangeway" relief anyway.
Also, this track will handle just 2 loaded cars at a time,
more cars tend to cause the "braked" truck to ride up and over the bar causing all kinds of hell.
So then, a good thing for operations...more switching will be needed to feed the furnaces. Or something like that.


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Howdy Woodie  :cb:


Very  C :cool: :cool: L  looking 'gizmo' from the mechanic boffins at the smelter !  :brill:



Looks like it's rusted-up pretty darn quickly ... DAMN oxidization !  :f:

( lucky for the smooth-running C.I. Delrin(TM) huh ? )  ;)



It seems like a different & unusual operations feature, for your lines engineers to strain their Shays with !  :shocked:



Nice ore-cars, from '2-generations' ?  :thumb:

No.53 must have that early 20th C. high-tech 2-part-epoxy finish I guess ?

Not a trace of that DAMN corrosion or chipping in sight anywhere.  ???



Gotta be worth at least FIVE guys with big-hats & STINKIN' ceeegars !



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Si, this railroad is up to date, it has a steam cleaning facility but there are no photos,
since it is on property owned by the federal government...or maybe ancient aliens.
Looks like time to get out the weathering chalks, among the 1,000 other little "jobs" which need to be done.

"Detail be damned"


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Woodie,

Are those regular spikes you're using on the rails?




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Howdy Michael, those are irregular spikes!
Last time I went by the "train shop", ALL they had was 1 pkg. of Micro Engineering rather large spikes, I use the smaller ones.
But since I was in a "building" spree, I got the last pkg. and they are actually fine for 1:20.3 or maybe 7/8" scale. Beggars can't be choosers.
They look OK when used on un-elevated track with dirt, etc. thrown around so I will keep & use them.
The unfortunate thing is that I hesitate ordering 2 pkg. of ME spikes from the mfr., they have a minimum order $$.
Walthers makes some nice "HO" spikes also but they have a minimum $$,
and the stinkin' LHS will order what I want but it will take months or even years to come in.
If these places also sold 1:35 scale stuff then I could easily make the min. order,
but try explaining that scale to some model railroad salesmen! You model whaat? LOL (laugh...)
So big spikes it is for now...I just love it when a plan comes together.


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Woodie,

I got lucky at a local train swap meet and found two packages of Life-Like spikes for only a few dollars. 

Also picked up a bundle of assorted flex track for only $5. 

Mostly Code 100 with a little Code 83. 

Enough to keep me laying track for quite some time.


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The "Bloated Goat" saloon wasn't located in the Big Bend but in Mogollon, NM
however, I loved the name so much that I have included "the Goat" in several other places, being #2 or another incarnation.

Yes, there's #4 down in Boquillas, TX now and the name has been used by others for their models of the fabled old bar.
Maybe ya'll would like to know a bit of "background" for the name.

According to the book (yes, there is a book about this) "Tales From The Bloated Goat" early days in Mogollon,
by H. A. Hoover-a resident of the ghost town-here's how it got the name...
Mr. Hoover writes that the bar had no name and one day a "patron" who was both drunk and an "artiste" (artis-tee...a high toney word)
sketched in chalk on the bar's wall the likeness of a...a...bloated goat.
And then the name stuck!

So, here's the book about the place and the legend:





Tales From The Bloated Goat is a small paperback book originally written in 1958 by Mr. Hoover,
and reprinted by High-Lonesome Books in Silver City, NM-1995.

This is a great read with tales about old Mogollon and some of the locals that inhabited the town from the early days until it became a ghost.
I thought some of you would like to know the background of the name and might be interested in having this cool little piece of literature.

Now you know!


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Great book about a great place





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The Bloated Goat #2 in bee-ute-full downtown Mogollon...
yes sir, this structure still exists and might be "installed" somewhere between Terlingua and Boquillas.
Discussions about real estate are ongoing at this time.


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Great atmospheric scene Woodie.

The terrain is superb.



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My W.C.G.  :cb:  book recommendation arrived by Wells Fargo wagon during the week.  :old dude:



So I got some 'homework' to do ...





... on just how tall a tale they told in there !  :P



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CROSSING THE DOOR...





Here is a shot of the "Final Piece", or maybe not!
This is across from the "end of the line" on the other side of the door which separates the garage from the living room, etc.
I just laid a couple of tracks that ended here and the one on the right is access to the...
WAX FACTORY which I have been accused of jabbering about but never building.
I don't suppose anybody does that but me...jabber but not build. Hmmmmmm.





I got busy and did some "work" on this piece.
Also, I decided that I needed 2 tracks instead of the one curved track so a #4 stub was built,
you can see some ties left in place from another crazy idea I had about a passing siding or some such-now a cool "scenic" thing.
Also scenery is the standard gauge interchange which mates up to the lift out. 
Like the lift out section that connects this and the rest of the layout,
instead of buying expensive 2" blue foam, this was made of nice "cabinet grade" 1" by 2" pine,
and topped with some high density insulation (about 1/4" thick) which was scrapped from the new house being built next door.
Some epoxy and a few screws and the sections were assembled and are as light as the foam would have been.





The lift out has a "cubby hole" under the section and can be taken out and installed very quickly-less than 30 seconds!





Underneath, the lift out (left) is fixed to the layout (right) with regular old nails inserted into holes drilled in the 1 by 2 frames.
These extremely high tech devices hold the lift out in place and lined up for the track to be joined properly.....
Why didn't I build some hinged affair or perhaps a motorized lift bridge to cross the door?
I guess that I wanted to get this done and not sit "thinking" about things of which I know nothing.


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MO' CROSSING THE DOOR...
Here is a view of how the tracks are "mated" when the lift out is installed:





Micro Engineering code 83 rail joiners hold the pieces together, just slid into place.
The small rails can be removed to take the section out without any hassle.
Why didn't I make the rails end flush at the joint? I feel that this makes a more "fool proof" attachment,
and there is no sudden BUMP as the loco & cars move across.
Also, the tracks have a slight curve so that in itself would possibly be a cause of problems.





Rails in place and ready to operate.





Shay #4 is the railway's "canary" to test all track.
She's so damn persnickity that the slightest bump or twist in the rails cause derailments,
that's why she holds the job of "alignment supervisor".





And here's a "ground level" shot that shows how nicely the rails flow across the sections.
Oh goodness...I forgot about electrical issues involved with such a thing as a lift out section.
There are NONE here. No wires. No power. No problems.

Maybe I am just livin'right.


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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



That new double-garage of yours is gettin' a whole LOTTA railroad in it !  :shocked: 

:thumb:

I like the low-angle ^^ jazz !!  :cool:



When I see your T&P 'big' boxcar in pics. ...

... I keep thinking of the 'Cairo & Kanawa' boxcar I made years ago ...

... from some 'Railroad Model Craftsman' plans given to me by a 'Capital Model Railroaders' friend of mine.  :)



I made it in 1/2" 1:24 scale & BOY ! ... is that a small boxcar ? ... or is that a small boxcar ??  ;)



Guess what ? ...

... I still got it (minus the roof !).  L:



Lookin' good Woodie.  :)



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Howdy Si, the std ga box car was built as a 1:35n3 car on my old outdoor Mogollon Railway.
I built a pair of "35 scale" trucks from an old New Brite toy car and they fit the 56.5" gauge track.
There were some narrow gauge lines that re-used old boxcars, etc. when they standard gauged the lines so this is one.
I want to build a nice 1:35 40 foot metal box car sometime but other things have me occupied.
If I could make (or better-BUY) a pair of nice Andrews style trucks then the project might actually begin.

Fun, fun, fun till her daddy takes the T Bird away!


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OK, I REALLY FLIPPED OUT THIS TIME!

After about 20 years of messing with link & pin couplers...
I still love em', but...I have gotten to where I REALLY want to operate my layout without any hassles.
The locos & cars run fine over the funky track and I have been doing things this way for a long, long time.
However, yesterday, I had my limit of tweezers, pins that shot off into space or perhaps my eye when grasped incorrectly (?),
and problems switching-the cars sometimes got "sideways" because of the links and didn't want to be pushed into a siding, etc.
I went to the "train shop" and bought 2 20 pair packs of KaDee #5 couplers (enough to equip 40 cars & locos) and "did the deed".
So much for old timey crap, hello to modernity and easy operating.
Today, I perverted, er, converted 8 ore cars and a caboose and 2 locos and the operations are all I knew they would be.





This rather poor shot shows Shay #1 with a modified #5 in her coupler pocket (back one also).
I had to drill a small hole in the shank and pinned the coupler in the pocket with one of the old pins.
Nope, there is no centering spring, but when I couple up, I can line up the knuckle and she works great!





2-4-4-2t #5 has a coupler in the proper draft gear box with centering spring in the rear (fuel bunker)
and a modified one in front similar to what I did on Shay #1.
Works great!





And here is one of the "cabeese" all fixed up with centering spring-the ore cars are being converted now.
Standard coupler height?
Well, it is whatever the old l&p's used.
Of course, all the new couplers line up correctly, couple and uncouple
(using a secret "uncoupler" device which will be shown in a bit).
Yes sir, the old Big Bend NG has jumped into the 20th century (about 1952).

It's about time.                                 More later on.


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So the Big Bend line must have gotten visited by the Federal inspectors and forced to install some modern safety appliances! 

Good to see what you're up to on your modeling, and the HO sized couplers look great on your equipment.

Lookin' forward to future installments of your progress!

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What?  What?  What?  
Next you will be telling us you ripped up track to install under the track magnets! 
Will that be followed by wiring the layout?

Really, a good move. 
I tried link and pin years ago, and while they look really neat, they are a challenge in any scale. 
I foresee the day when I will have to give up chain and pins if hands are less steady and eyesight requires thicker lenses.
Looks good and surely will make operations more enjoyable.


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Yep, MODURN-ITY comes to the border!
I am glad that it ain't due to bad eyesight or getting too damn old to cope with fiddly things...maybe that IS the case...
but I have decided that I actually WANT to operate properly and EASILY, and the freakin' Feds have mandated it!
KNUCKLES are now the "norm".
I promised a view of the new "uncoupling tool" which has been in my paint brush holder for years and I just now "discovered" it's use.





An ancient mechanical pencil which holds the large old #2 leads.
What? How in de debbil does it work?
Over the years, my ops. buddies who swear by KaDee couplers (but then what do THEY know?)
have enjoyed switching and ops. sessions without alcohol or cussing.
They all use good old BBQ skewers, with the pointed ends to simply stick down between the coupled cars and twist the wooden spear and....
the cars magically separate wherever they want to uncouple.
No under the table magnets, no over the track electro devices, no hassles, just an easy twist and the cars separate.
And NO tweezers, links, and tiny pins.
Golly-gee! I just sharpened the lead like intended and then...





Stick the pointed end between the knuckles...you know the routine.





and TWIST again, like we did last summer!
WOWIE ZOWIE...it works.
It has only taken me 20 or so years to discover this.
I'll bet that I am the first one to use a pointy stick to uncouple.
Maybe I should keep it away from my eyes!
What's next?  Maybe I will start using gas turbines and 80 foot boxcars.
Maybe I will get rid of all this complicated radio control mess.
Maybe I will have the pleasure of laying under the layout and wiring the track. Maybe......naaaaw!


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Naw.... the simplest and most fool proof method, is to grasp the engine by it's sides and move it by hand. 
Just like when we were kids. 

I'll give you a hint though...you need to remove the gears in order to get smooth operation. 

In the real world pushing cars around is normal. 
This clip is proof.

https://youtu.be/du-n0E3i648


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Welcome to the world of simple coupling Woodie,
and you can read what you like into that!

The uncoupling tool has another benefit,
in that in use it probably leaves the tiniest trace of graphite on the knuckle faces,
and makes them even smoother in operation over time!


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" This rather poor shot shows Shay #1 with a modified #5 in her coupler pocket "






Howdy Woodie  :cb:



The shot looks GREAT ! ... other than one small thing.  :dt:



I'm not entirely convinced that Shay #1 with her new 'Theme Park' sized couplers is gonna cut the mustard ?  L:

Have you tried the 'pulling the skin off a rice-pudding test' yet ?  ???

Those #5s look just a wee tad little bit on the small side, from studying the photos.  :shocked:



" Standard coupler height?  Well, it is whatever the old l&p's used "



Did you used to have a Standard Coupler Height ?  L:

I seem to recall seeing l&p-pockets mounted in all kinda different ways, on various different cars.


Those tiny little #5s really hate anything but Billiard Table flat track ...  :bang:

... & just LOVE to uncouple themselves at the slightest BUMP, or with random mounting heights.  :shocked:



I considered for about 1 Nano-second, using a job-lot of my old HO couplers, for 1:35n2 ...  :time:

... but it simply didn't make much sense, with better scale size & better looking couplers available so cheaply.  :us:



I just didn't dig the 'Theme Park' look for the most part though.  :f:

Mmm . . .



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Si, all true...or is it?
I have photos of old 2 footers with small knuckle couplers, it's all OK with me.
And yes, really funky track can cause uncoupling with #5's, but believe it or don't...
the track may be wiggly, but it is pretty level, so far there are no problems.
And the biggest thing is price...
a pack of 20 pairs (40 #5's) is just $25, a bit less with my seenior discount.
I priced the larger ones, S, O, etc...
and if I wanted them, then I'd spend all my anti-social security check,
and still need to modify the cars to handle them. See?
Oh well, I can take the heat for doing this...
while the purists shudder, I will be running trains without a care...
while they remain pure.

Bob, I thought about moving the cars by hand...
throwing them against the wall, links, pins, and all!

Doug, I figgered out the graphite lubrication thing.
KaDee sells "Greas-Em" for couplers and it is...graphite!
Actually, I came across this old mechanical pencil,
and since I am fairly illiterate, I really didn't have a use for it,
so uncoupling tool it is!

Now, please excuse me while I play with my widdle choo-choo's.
BTW, here's a little photo of a tiny 0-4-4t Kennebec Central,
with an equally tiny knuckle coupler on her rear end.
Itsy Bitsey and low to the ground.
Gotta love it!





Photo from Two Feet to Togus by Robert C. Jones, photo by Edward Bond.


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Bob, I just now got to look at the Chinese coal mine video you linked in post #204...FAR OUT!
Something worth looking at happens (the whole thing is worth looking at) at about 6:30 in,
where a single point "kick switch" is being used,
and the absolute coolest little gasoline lokie is shown switching and hauling some cars.
This is a great video and I give it 2 thumbs up and will watch it again...and again.
Thanks for the link.
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Kadee also makes "SF" and "SE" couplers,
which are a bit larger and should help to compensate for rough track. 
I haven't tried them yet,
but have thought about ordering a few just to see how they do.

I've also been playing with magnets. 
Instead of Kadee's between-the-rails magnet,
I've been experimenting with placing magnets outside the rails on either side. 
The magnets will pull the pins for 'automatic' uncoupling.


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Hi Woodie,

As someone who has played with real 1/2-sized SG couplers on real 2' gauge equipment - They work just fine :2t:

Your pin through the shank was how we did it for real on some of the locomotives, and moved the coupler between locos as required.
(Hey if the loco wasn't going to be used that day, then we moved the coupling to the one that was going to be used to move stuff.) :thumb:

For further inspiration, photos of the 1:1 scale stuff are available on request.


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W C Greene wrote: Bob, I just now got to look at the Chinese coal mine video you linked in post #204...FAR OUT!
Something worth looking at happens (the whole thing is worth looking at) at about 6:30 in,
where a single point "kick switch" is being used,
and the absolute coolest little gasoline lokie is shown switching and hauling some cars.
This is a great video and I give it 2 thumbs up and will watch it again...and again.
Thanks for the link.
WCG


I have this video on a thumb drive and show it often to visitors.  
It proves that the features of my little railway are represented in the real world.
Especially helpful when dealing with the critics who think my little critters and 4 wheel cars with chains for couplers are not realistic. 
I thought seriously about building a layout of that railway. 
Could not find a source for Chinese figures. 
Tom Yorke makes a kit for the engine. 
Gotta love the kick point switches.  
Built one for my 1/12 scale critters.


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Bob

Some Chinese figures in 1/48th, from Pegasus Hobbies, they are from their California Gold Miners set.

5 Chinese, 6 NA style dressed miners, 2 loaded pack animals, 4 pieces of mining sluice boxes.

16 pieces total.

Cannot find the kit number though. 





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Wow...I wish they were 1:35 or even 1:32 scale.
There are some 1:35 Vietnamese figures for military dioramas which would probably work.
Since I still have an On30 module which is used in the Texas Outlaws show layout,
these figures would be great on another module with a mining theme.
Hmmmmm.
Thanks for the heads up.

WCG

*****LATE NEWS*****

I did some "lookin'" on AMAZON and they show the 1:48 Gold Rush Kits,
with the above figures for $8.79 USD...  Stock # PGH7007
All you O scale miners can find a crew to work the diggin's now.

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Trudging onward, here are a few more scenes from down in the Big Bend...





This is the little one stall enginehouse at Boquillas (bo-key-us), TX or maybe in Mexico...
whichever side the Rio Grande River decides to flow.
Shay #1 (ex Gilpin Tram, Silver City NG) is getting ready for some switching.
1938 GM gas/mechanical #6-Dee is in the stall, and everyone's sweetie, #3 Rosa waits on the right for her duties.
Behind her is one of the line's real treasures-a scratchbuilt model of a Swayne Lumber Co. wooden water car,
built by my friend John Foster who now builds beautiful models in the great beyond.
Some of John's models are here on Freerails, his thread was about Shayboiler's models.
This one was built as an On30 car but looks great in 1:35 scale. Happy trails, John.





There has been some talk here about Bachmann's beautiful little On30 4-4-0, and here's the Gila Tramway's tiny lokie.
The GT runs tours on the Terlingua, Glenn Springs, & Boquillas (Big Bend NG) on the weekends.
She used to operate on the old Mogollon Railway trackage up in New Mexico.
Also shown is the GT's open tour car, a wonderful model designed by Tom Bell and produced by Shapeways.
It could be the ONLY 1:35 scale version of this car...how many others could there be?
There are views of her in the old Mogollon Railway thread here on FR.





Here's another "oldie but goody" which is probably around 20 years old by now...
the Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon Railway built the prototype for their twisty old 2 footer in New Mexico, and I just HAD to build my own.
Actually, I built an On20 model of this car for my really old On20 Mogollon Railway over 20 years ago. I still have that car in a dusty box.
The plans were in the Gazette, drawn by Gerrie Tufford,
and Keith Pashina had plans for it along with other SCPA&M cars in his Gazette article long ago.
The green & white coach on the right is another ancient 1:35 scale laser kit from friend Daniel Caso,
this may also be the only one in this scale. Daniel is out there in the wilds of Amsterdam.
Shay #4 is to the left, she's the "canary" for any trackwork problems...
if there is the slightest little kink or mis-match, she will find it!





...And here's an old b&w photo of some of the guys down at the Terlingua enginehouse.
A shop mechanic is working on an old Indian bike while his fuzzy buddy looks on.
It's still a workday so there are no bottles seen on the table, they will show up in a couple of hours!
Behind these guys sits 0-4-2t #2, in need of some new boiler tubes.
In front of her is the ancient Gilpin Tramway snow plow...
never used since it doesn't snow down here along the Rio Grande.


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Very evocative of the era Woodie and that 4-4-0 certainly scrubs up well.

The Indian looks to be a neat model. What was the source?
Looks as though you might have modified a kit or a ready-made.


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Howdy Doug, the 4-4-0 is kept in nice shape since it belongs to the tourist line, she has a nice green boiler & tender.
That Indian bike is part of a "collection" I bought years ago.
Die Cast Direct (has cars in various scales) had a set of Indians with 1903 up to 1941-6 models-in 1:32 scale...
close enough for government work, at least to me.
The others are scattered around the layout, 3 are together at the Gila Tramway "terminal".
I compared one of them to a 1:35 military Harley Davidson and couldn't find any "scale differences".
As I remember, the set of 6 cost about $25 and the kit for ONE Harley was about $30 ! Go figure!


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And a couple more photos, these are different water cars which get used when needed.





The earlier post showed a different view of this fine old wooden water car.
You may notice a pump on the end beam along with a hose draped on the side.
The car was built (apparently) on a log car.
Also shown is a side view of #3 Rosa, an 8 ton Porter which like every other lokie is r/c.
With little space to stash equipment, the r/c board is mounted under the cab roof,
and a small 300mAh 7.4 Volt battery is inside the cab just behind the cab side.
#3 is old, she is the first loco I rebuilt way back when, but runs like that well-known watch.





The other two water cars are shown here.
The tank is from an On30 Bachmann car with a wooden underframe. There's a pump on this car also.
MRy #301 is a model of the Gilpin Tramway's metal tank car, she's an oldie also.
I built this car before I acquired the Herb Kephart Rivet-O-Matic, those rivets were a b$%^& to do!
I am thinking about repainting both these cars red, since that is the color I have seen on many real ones.
Still thinkin'.


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I really like that 4-4-0.

Very much an inspiration for me to do one in 1/55 down the road.

Recently purchased a boiler in HO scale,
and had never realized how small the HO model is.

Yet, seeing how yours looks with the extra wide cab,
it seems like mine would be a very similar loco,
with a little boiler and a huge cab.


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The cab is a skull cracker for the crew but it was as small as I could make it for 1:35 scale.
I have since taken off the cowcatcher and put a beam pilot with coupler and foot board.
That long cowcatcher would swing out on curves and hit rocks, etc. close to the track.
Besides, I may sometime need to couple to something with the front while switching.
In 1:55, I would imagine that this little loco would look OK without any cab change, etc.,
just a new crew in the cab.


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By the way, here's what the Gila Tram open tour car looked like when I opened the box.
All I had to do was paint her, build an underframe, and put some hombres in the seats!
Thanks to Tom & Shapeways...and 3D printing!





I ain't kidding, it was completely done in 1 piece! Incredible!! Dig those slatted seats!!!


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The seats look fantastic! 


Would love to get one. 

Need to put it on my wish list.


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Yes, I was, am still amazed at the quality of this car!
Send a PM to tebee here on Freerails and he can tell you about it.
The car was made by Shapeways.
I know that Tom can make the scale just about any that is needed.
Wonder how one would look in Z scale?


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WAXING ABOUT WAX FACTORIES.....

OK then, here's a couple of shots of the wax factory at Terlingua, TX. 
Of course there's plenty more to do but it is coming along...





This view shows the general layout of the factory.
The wax plants are brought in (by burros) and stored in the open air, covered structure.
The plants are then put in one of the wooden tubs on the right and hot water (supplied by the boiler at the back)
then is mixed with hydrocloric acid (YIKES!), kept in a small tank on supports (right)
which causes the wax to separate from the plants.
The wax then floats to the surface and the used up plants sink to the bottom.
The mixture is then allowed to cool and the sheets of wax are "raked" off and put in the wooden barrels,
and then loaded on a standard gauge car (siding on the far right)
and taken to the folks who make candles, wax, and lubricants.

Matter of fact, long ago, the wax produced by these factories was used to make early phonograph records...
hence "stacks of old wax"-a disc jockey term.
Needless to say, the used water (toxic for sure) was then drained off and the tubs were ready for more nastiness!





Here's the factory's "office" with a "train" of burros loaded down with wax plants (Candlearia plants) headed to the storage shed.
The wax factory has a large water tank (silver tank) which is used for the process and other needs.
In the previous photo, you can see the burro corral with it's water trough and a large unused tank full of nasty water.
More burros will be added to the corral when I get around to painting them, and signs will be painted for the operation.
The old "office" was the "ladies' house" next door to the Gila Hotel in Mogollon, NM,
and has spent quite a few summers and winters in the Texas outdoors...natural weathering!
And the old red water wagon on the left is part of a "20 mule team borax" kit from a long time ago.


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WC

Like the progress so far with the Wax plant,
like the abandoned track and rail section's along side the switch.

Recall working with Hydrocloric acid used for water treatment,
was shipped in 25 Gal Glass carboys, wood slatted crate's packed with straw for padding.


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I'll see Ken's "like" of the decommissioned track, and raise him with the stub switch at the front.

Great touches that add that extra bit of atmosphere and character to a scene.



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Thanks guys, that abandoned piece between the switch & siding was something I thought I'd need...a passing siding.
But as far as I got was laying ties and thinking "what the#$%^ am I doing?"
so I left the ties and added a couple of old rails to look like what it is...an abandoned piece of track.
The 2 tracks on the left after the switch are the "physical" end of the line (at least right now)
and are used to store some ore cars, of which I now have over 20 something.
I counted up the rolling stock on the layout, over 20 ore cars and 12 or so other cars-flats,
a boxcar, and cabooses which are sometimes used as passenger cars.
Five locos, six if I include the Gila Tram's little 4-4-0.
Over the years I have had several railcars or trucks and am thinking that I need a new one.
Help me please!


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Is that "help - suggest therapy to help me stop accumulating"

or "help - suggest a new vehicle so I can carry on accumulating"? :us:


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Wow, that is a great little scene.  Nice composition. 

And I never knew how wax was made... now I learnt sumpthin today.

Thanks!


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Howdy Steven, how about this?...
These days, there is still a market for the wax plant and that is ultra fru-fru candles,
for those who like to pay lotsa bucks for something that they set on fire and burn up,
and there are certain "preparations" out there for folks who like to get "waxed" to lose unwanted hair.
All they need to do is get older and actually lose hair and they will want to replace it!
Oh well!

And Doug, "therapy" Certainly you jest.
All I need to do is venture down to the big 'lektronics store and find one of those $7 little r/c cars,
for the board & xmitter, and I will present a "new" inspection car to the supt.
The cheap little cars are just backward/forward with no speed control,
but I have an ancient Grandt Line 80:1 micro motor from other vehicles,
and with the slow motor, the railcar will be speeding to go over 10MPH when I press the button!
Now, just to find that motor...........


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Here's an "oldie" from a ways back.
I have always liked this photo and guess what?  Both lokies are still in service.





From the old Mogollon Railway, #1 and #4.
They still operate as switchers in the Big Bend, somewhere along the way they lost their "T" boilers.
The old 2 stall adobe engine house is still around also but sits on a shelf collecting cobwebs.


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Ya always gotta go!

I was running a train the other day
(a reason why I haven't posted much lately, due to now using KD couplers)
and noticed that everywhere I stopped, there was NO head, john, biffy,...OUTHOUSE anywhere!
I got on a binge with stripwood and Xacto knife and put together several  such needed "facilities".
All are much "typical" structures in this genre, but here is one (grounded in reality) that was needed.





It's a "two-holer" job for the patrons of the Gila Tram tourist operation.
There are no signs labeling "men or women"
but the door on the left has a quarter moon "window" and on the right is a star.
Yes, there are some ladies who have ridden the little tram so this is a much needed thing.
Just some basswood sheet and the sharp blade, with the help of Titebond,
fixed the omission that had been going on for some time.
More photos will follow sometime but this structure is the nicest and largest of em' all.


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As dumb as it can seem, it's the little details that matter.

Q: And how many years did it take you to realize
that all of your tiny railway people had their faces scrunched up
because they were all holding it in for ever?

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Well, TGB (I wish I knew your name!),
it has only taken me about 60 years to figure it all out (I am over 70)...and I am still figuring.
Long ago, the "masters" of this hobby decided that the faces of figures should not be shown due to ugliness,
and also, the figures should not be shown doing any kind of "work" since that might be an "un-scale" thing for a photo.
Time passes and those old guys are long dead and forgotten so all you new guys will have to make your own "rules".
Me? I don't follow any rules except those from above.

Woodie


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" ... everywhere I stopped, there was NO head, john, biffy,...OUTHOUSE anywhere ! "



Howdy Woodie  :cb:


Good to see you dunny in'stall'ed some NEW funky $4!7 on the layout.  :old dude:



With Moma Mexicos legendary chili-beans the tour-bus company calls a 'light lunch' ...  [whack]

... they better build one (or two) every 1/4 mile !  :P



NO SMOKING  in there either !  :mex:

It could be DISASTEROUS !!  :shocked:



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How about another one...just not quite like the other one...





This little outhouse is located near the Boquillas (bo-key-us) enginehouse.
Shay #1 is seen as is the firewoman watching from the cab.
That's her blue bike next to the biffy.
Of course there are other such well-used structures around.
There is even a nice "public" bano (outhouse) in downtown Boquillas.
More later.


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Outhouses are something people rarely ever modeled, and when they do, it's usually humorous
(those "double decker" kits make me roll my eyes, as I doubt that was EVER really funny).

You did yours very well and they look plausible.

Heck, the area I model (northeast Tennessee) had outhouses well into my childhood in the 1970s,
and might still have a few up in those 'hollers'...


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Thank yew Lee...
OK then here are some more...





This is the "public" twa-lette in downtown Boquillas.
A stucco over adobe brick affair just down the street from the Bloated Goat #3.
Please try to look past the "background"...
my staff artiste hasn't made it to the house yet to paint something better.


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And this one, behind the Terlingua enginehouse...





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Behind the C J WAX factory is this relatively nice outhouse.
The wax factory is a tribute to my late friend C J, may he live on in this fantasy world...





There are also a couple of storage tracks here along with the tanks of bubbling wax and water.


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And this one which is falling down, but still able to be used.
Most of the johns I have seen lately look like this one, some even worse.
Here in Texas there are many places where outhouses can be found....if you dare!





All for now.
And Lee, I have actually seen a "double decker" outhouse in the Colorado mountains.
I learned that it was built that way because sometimes the snow got so damn deep
that nobody could get to the part on "the ground"
and had to climb the stairs or else find a tree somewhere!
Gotta love indoor plumbing!


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The privy is an important additive to any scene. 
Agree that many modeled are the humorous type. 

Displayed my Strawberry Mountain layout at Lauitzen Gardens this weekend,
for UP Railroad Days. 

It has a privy with one of my hand carved figures. 





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Great job on that figure, Bob.

Even in 1/2" scale, the figures are still quite small to carve by hand.

Larry G



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While we're at it...here's one of my 1/2" scale "two holer" in disrepair...





Yep, this one is a model of a real one from down in the Texas hill country, around Salado I believe.
I built several such structures and mounted them on small dioramas.
Maybe some day I will sell one.
Naaaaw!


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My Grandparents had a two hole outhouse with no separating partition between stalls.

Would that be normal for other 2 hole outhouses? 

This made for an interesting go, never knew who might drop in and sit next to you.

Larry G



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Larry, I suppose that it might depend
on whether the outhouse was behind a "commercial" establishment or a private home, etc.
The partition would separate the men & women...?
I have seen them with men and women signs on the doors.
Thems was the days.

WCG


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We had a two holer at the cabin when I was a kid. 
No partition.

I have also seen a double decker,
I believe it was at a hotel/boarding house.
 
Can't remember where, but it seems to me it was off set. 
There was a walkway from the second story of the building to the upstairs hole.



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I still remember the Great Potty Uprising in the NMRA Bulletin mid-to-late 70's...

Jose.




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Just do a Google search for outhouse images...

You'll get all kinds of inspirational ideas.


Maybe we should start a separate thread for outhouses?



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Yep, do an internet search and ye shall find many prototypes...even the 2 story ones.
Us folks in the rural areas of the south/southwest still have existing examples of outhouses and other cool old structures.
Just a drive through the country around here and you'll see them.
And there maybe should be an outhouse thread, this one has enough toilet "humor" already!

"I won't go huntin' with you Jake, but I'll go chasin' wimmin!" - Jimmy Dean (the sausage king)


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Well, it ain't no outhouse...but it's close.





From the old Marty Robbins song-"El Paso"-here's ROSA'S Cantina.
Naaw, it ain't finished, or weathered (more of it), or set into the dirt, or weeds growing, etc.
But the basics are here.
Featured at Rosa's is "y mas" or "and more".
Note that outside to the left is an old trailer which is used for the "mas"...you know what I mean.
Also, this is apparently (at the moment) a biker bar with several old Indian bikes outside.
Soon as I build a couple of Army Harleys, they will join the usual suspects.
Maybe even an old Model T somewhere.
And if riding a bike isn't your thing, the narrow gauge main line runs right behind the saloon.
Now I am worrying about the train crew...
they may stop here from time to time for a "drank" and maybe some "mas".


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And not very far from Rosa's (a few scale miles, or "smiles"),
is the depot for the Gila Tram tourist train which runs most every day.
As you can see, there are some nice gents and a couple of prim & proper ladies waiting for the departure.





They may have to wait a bit because the large bus is being worked on,
maybe they can all fit into the old REO open bus.
The dude with the broom is waiting for the train also so he can get off at Rosa's...
you know what I mean!


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And recently added to the Gila Tram's tour is a visit to the CJ Wax Co.
where the finest wax is being made for those with discerning tastes.





Some donkeys are bringing in more candlaria plants to be processed in the tubs behind the train.
Little 4-4-0 #13 and 2 cars of sucker...er...passengers,
have arrived to breathe the sulphuric acid fumes which are thought to be medicinal.

***Please ignore the missing pieces of rail behind the train,
don't look at the man behind the curtain!***


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Woodie,

All very nice! 

Behind Rosa's I spy an outhouse across the tracks. 

By the wax factory it looks like you've installed some backdrops.


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Michael, you have an eye for outhouses.
Yes, there are such structures "sprouting up" all over the layout.
Backdrops are being messed with from time to time.
As I wrote a while back, the scenery, etc. on the layout is taking a back seat,
to actually running trains (whatta concept) due to the conversion to Kadee couplers.
I used them back in HO and HOn3 days and later in the On30 days,
but decided (like a dumba$$) to use proto-typical l & p's in the larger scale.
Now it's a gas to operate, before it was a pain in the butt!
OK for just watching a train go round & round,
but not OK for running point to point and switching.
Kadees and r/c...what a great combination.


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Your layout is always an inspiration.

Was just looking through it,
and realized my own layout isn't gonna build itself.

Had to get out my unfinished baggage car,
and ponder how the heck I'm gonna do my windows.

Looking at all your rolling stock and structures,
I realize it must be decades,
of slowly building up a back stock of layout items.

:Salute:


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TGB,

You just acquire stuff over time. 

I've got boxes of stuff,
that will eventually get used in my layout.
 
Going to swap meets just adds to the pile.



Woodie,

I once played with link & pins,
and quickly found that it was just too much trouble,
and too small, for me to deal with,
so I've just used Kadees. 

I need to add a little greenery and color to my layout,
so it doesn't look too stark.
 
Got what I need to do it, other than a round tuit.


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Yep, I need more greenery-shrubs, cactus, and some old gnarled Mesquite trees and some fir trees.
Not to mention lotsa weeds growing everywhere including the track.

The old railroads I love just used l&p's until the end,
although some of the Maine 2 footers used knuckles from early on.
Many industrial lines used links well into the 60's,
and the famous West Side Lumber Co. had both l&p and knuckles until they ended in 1961.

As far as hoarding "stuff", I am very guilty of that.
Hell, I even keep little bits of wood and plastic...
you just never know what you'll need down the line.


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I don't see Falina? 

I guess she'll appear from outta nowhere,
but I don't want to see her how Marty sees her in the end. 

Nice cantina. 


I am surely inspired by your layout. 


In speaking of weeds, you'll need candeleria too. 
I personally like the town Candeleria, out near Belleville. 


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Falina is in the...trailer out back.
Oh the wax plants...you won't see many of them growing around here,
they have been cut and sent to the CJ wax co.
As I understand it, the plants are brought in to the factory from Mexico.
As an aside...and this is a true story...
the border patrol reported that there was more traffic in candeleria than in pot!
Yep, the plants are now listed on the endangered species watch,
but are still being used for wax in Mexico...
yuppie candles are imported from there, for the folks with dinero.
Go figure!


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AND NOW THIS...…..





The original old Bloated Goat #2,
which was moved from Mogollon, NM down to Lajitas, TX...brick by brick by drunk.
There has been too much celebratin' to finish the job, but at least somebodies are having fun.     
That's all for tonight.


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I see someone is sippin' the squeezin's out on the step already.

ha ha ha



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Dope = Candles ? 
Wow, whoda thunk.  :doh:



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Vernal's (Utah) first bank was built of brick sent by mail.

"Zions bank building is in the center of town.
At the time it was built, there was a dispute of some kind,
with the freighting companies in the area.

To get around that, someone discovered that the post office,
would not charge nearly so much as the freighters, for the same package,
so all the bricks for the building were MAILED to Vernal.
 
It was too late for the P.O. to do anything about it once it caught on,
but they did make a regulation,
that one person cannot send over 50 pounds of mail in one day."

https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/1322


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And for those perspiring minds...Vernal was served by the narrow gauge Uintah Ry...
which had the ONLY narrow gauge articulateds in the USA...2-6-6-2t's by Baldwin.
Later to be sold to Sumpter Valley RR, lose the side tanks & get tenders,
and then sold to a Guatamalan fruit company and were scrapped there.
There is a report that in one of the dead loco's smokebox, some dude set up camp!
Also, the tender(s) for those locos are back in the US at...Sumpter Valley RR.

WCG


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Awww-the window on the left is cattywumpus!
You notice such things after posting the photo.
It's all fixed now but the damage is done!





Here's the BG#2 from long ago way up in Mogollon. 
More crap will be added to the new scene as time goes by...


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" Awww-the window on the left is cattywumpus! "



Howdy Woodie  :cb:


I thought it was ULTRA REALISM ...  :old dude:

... the builders downing tools, for a liquid-lunch ...

... before whacking in the rest of the adobe, after the noon day sun !  :s: :boogie:



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Si, ain't no ultra about it!





Here's a "new one" of #4 sitting outside of the smelter.
The tiny 4 wheel boxcar on the right is the EXPLODING boxcar crafted by Herb Kephart.
If you're too "jumpy" coupling it to anything else, the top blows off!
Quite cool and it befuddles the errant engineer.





Now, in "living color" is a view of the Terlingua yards, smelter, & enginehouse.
New to this scene is the backdrop being painted by Michaelangelo DaVinci of Italy...Italy, TX.
And finally (for now)...this:





A view of the enginehouse with some scattered junque, more to be added along with weeds & bushes.
Painting this damn background with the layout already built is a m@#$%^&&*...
these things are best done when there ain't anything built.
And as the Pope asked Michaelangelo about the ceiling of the chapel- "when will it be done?"
Mike said back- "when I'm damn well ready!"


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Here are a couple more photos this time using a "portable" backdrop.
Scenes at the small enginehouse in Boquillas.





Shay #1 (ex Gilpin Tram #1) is ready to back out of the house and begin some switching.





Here's a view of the junque around the little loco house.
The old ore car has a load of coal, it is used to transport the black diamonds down to the Boquillas yards.

Behind it is a beautiful wooden water car built by Shayboiler, John Foster, who is no longer with us.
I believe the car is a copy of a Mich-Cal car and is a real treasure.


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After looking at Tom's incredible structures which will have full interiors,
I remembered that I do have an interior in the machine shop.

This is an older photo but nothing much has changed...





The shop crew looks to be either fixing the Model T truck,
or investigating the idea of putting flanged wheels on it for a section car.

I don't see how they can work in such a messy place!


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Woodie,

Every inch of every one of your layouts, has real "charm" about it.

Everything just seems to belong with everything else,
the colors all harmonize to give a sense of place and time,
and you have more stuff than I've ever seen.

You have more detail in your machine shop,
than I will have on my entire layout.

Your threads always inspire me,
to improve and to look more at the total scene.


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Thanks Tom,
I am just a "junkologist" or some other strange being.
I have been accused of having more stuff than I will ever use...but I'm trying!
Again, thank you for the kind words.

And here's another photo that I forgot I had.





It's a late night down at the tractor repair shop.
Time for beans and beer at Rosa's.


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Mmmmmm, beans and beer.  




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Here are some old B&W photos of interesting things.





Since there is no "proper" ash pit available (maybe someday),
the ashes and klinkers are just dropped on the turntable approach,
and then a couple of guys with shovels and a funky old truck haul them off.
Simple and funky indeed.

And there's this one of the old SCPA&M's hoist,
which is used to lift trucks and rerail cars when needed.





It was spotted at the Boquillas engine house.

This is one of the few pieces of rolling stock, other than the ore cars,
which is a more or less "faithful" copy of the "real thing".
Of course I can make that claim since there is one photo of the thing taken from about 200 feet away,
and everybody who actually saw it can discuss it with me when I travel to the next plane!


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Just for the halibut, I sat down and drew a "track plan" of the Big Bend narrow gauge layout.
Yep, it's as crude as hell and "drawn" on a large piece of cardboard box material...
here 'tis.

I could have fired up my CAD program (don't have one)
or had a real artist to draw it (couldn't afford one)
or used some nice illustration board (still at Hobby Lobby)
but it is what it is.

Basically it is 16 by 19 feet with a 45" walk in.
This runs around the walls and across the garage door (double door)
and the sections are between 24" (Boquillas), 36" (Terlingua),
and the hairpin curve-from the Silver City layout-is about 48" square.
There are 2 lift-outs; one at the door from the house into the garage,
and another across the breaker box (when needed).
 
This MAY be "it"...depending on whether I go crazee again.
Time will tell.
I didn't include many structures here,
just the ones I thought to be "important".
Don't blame me, I only lurk here!


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Looks like art to me...

If you'd used an old paint spattered piece of cardboard,
it would have been mixed media. 

But pen and ink is cool too.


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We'll have a whopping two members if you do.  :cool:

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That's rather elegant Woodie.

It just may catch on with the artsy crowd "recycled-container-art". 


It is very nicely drawn and easy to follow.
It's nice to get a better idea of what the layout looks like from buzzard height.

It's better than I could do with track planning software (have it)
or a sketch pad (have one) and I can't afford an artist either.


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Thank ya'll for the kind words,
I suppose it sorta goes with the general funkiness of the project.
But I love funkiness!

Here's something new that I have been obsessing about and spent some time worrying over...





The Supt. needed a new (and improved) rail truck to check out track conditions and maybe just get away.
I have gone through several vehicles like this over the years,
one flew off the track and hit the "concrete canyon",
another needed some "fixin" and the shop crew (me) failed to get it running right,
and a couple of others were just not what I really wanted.





My buddy David Cox thought that the layout needed this 1917 Model T WW1 ambulance, a beautiful die cast 1:32 model.
Yep, it sat at various locations, moving from time to time, and just looking cool.

Well, I had been "working" on a new truck and it just didn't do it for me (?).
The other day, I was running some loads up to the smelter and noticed the ambulance...
sitting there and looking, well, forlorn and dusty.
Hot damn, I decided to use it for the new rail truck.
It had the "lines", it was old, and had nice details already.
Plus the enclosed ambulance behind the cab would hold a nice battery and receiver,
and still have room for a motor and gear tower (from an old Alco models HO dismal loco).
PERFECTO!

So here she is, the lead truck has been on 2 or 3 other railtrucks,
and the cowcatcher was on the one that hit the floor.
And the "supt" in the cab has been in all the previous models.
He looks pleased with his new machine and I can now obsess about some other silly thing. 
 
WOOPIE!!!!


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" I suppose it sorta goes with the general funkiness of the project "
 
" But I love funkiness! "

" PERFECTO! "

" WOOPIE!!!! "



Howdy Woody  :cb:



Fank funk it's Friday !  :shocked: ;) :P
That feisty freakin' Ford is full on fantastic funkiness ! !  :pimp: :old dude: :cool: :cool:



The Doobie Brothers  "Rockin' Down The Railway" ?  on the mono vacuum-tube radio ...  :!:

... & the Superintendent makes a break for the border !  [toast] :mex:



YYYYEEEE  HHHHAAAAWWWW  !!!!  :slow: :slow: :slow: :slow:



:moose: :moose: :moose: :moose: :moose:



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Well, since I pervert...er, converted all rolling stock & locos to Kadee couplers, operations have become "the thing".
However, I have found that sometimes (most of the time) it is very difficult to reach into certain areas,
and throw the nice little Caboose Hobbies ground throws without screwing something up.
Here's what I mean:





There are some empties in the yards ready to be dropped off at their destinations,
but to be able to throw the switches for the enginehouse lead and smelter,
I sometimes (all the time) derail the empties or need to move them with the "big hook".
What to do. ???





See what I mean?
These 2 important switches are behind the cut of cars...
So, I went back to one of my old schemes...KNOB & ROD operation.
I ran the switch throws under the Styrofoam base (easy to do),
and hooked them up to the little red knobs on the outside facia.
Now, I just push or pull a small knob to set the switch.
Of course there needs to be "stops" to keep from throwing too much,
and not keeping in alignment.





A view from underneath the layout shows how the switches are controlled.
A length of tiny aluminum tube with an .020 wire inside.
The wire is connected to the switch rails and runs through the tube,
out the edge (facia) of the layout and the little red knob is attached.
Simple and effective.
I used this method on my old On20 Mogollon Railway over 20 years ago,
and more recently used the same thing on the little Gila Tram (here on FR).
Since I didn't need the ground throws anymore,
I just glued them back in place like they were,
and they have become "dummy" throws and sort of disguise the new parts.





Here's another place I installed the knob & rod,
it was hard to reach this switch next to a water tower near the yard throat.
Everything was "hunky-dory" for a long time,
until I got into the actual operations of the layout,
and found that sometimes the old ways are better!
And the cost?
The Caboose ground throws are $1 plus change each,
and the 36" aluminum tube and .020 music wire cost maybe a dollar...
and with that I converted 5 switches (so far) and have lots of raw materials left!
No, I ain't gonna change the rest of the layout, don't need to.
But this one thing has made it easier to switch,
without the risk of big fat fingers screwing up stuff.


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I suffer from the same dilemma on the Geneseo Railway. 

There are about five or six ground throws,
that are on the back side of set outs which are a pain. 

I have been thinking of doing the same. 

For "stops" I have used different techniques,
but one of my favorite would fit your theme well.

Glue a rock next to the rail that limits the throw. 
Would look natural with your scenery.


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Woodie,

I have two turnouts on my Appetite Mine layout,
that will need something like you did.

I have done this type of turnout control on the top surface of the layout,
using a plastic tube with a stiff wire inside.
I cover most of this with sand or dirt.

One of my turnout controls will need to be under the layout.

Your photos don't show what type of linkage,
connects the turnout to the wire under the layout.

I am using 2" foam as a base board.

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Howdy Larry,
I don't have any type of linkage...
the stub switches have a "bridle" (like a throw bar) with a simple hole in the side.
The Caboose Hobbies throws have a short piece of wire bent in a "c" shape,
that connects the ground throw to the bridle.
All I did was push a piece of larger dia. wire through the Styrofoam at a severe angle,
the switch end was bent in a small "L" shape that fits into the bridle's hole, the throw used.
The small .020 wire was then run under the layout, or it could be in a trough on top of the layout
(my Gila Tramway thread shows this type of installation)





Then a knob was glued to the end of the wire.
This is a very simple "hook up" without any critical adjustments,
other than being sure the rails or points line up OK.
This is another "KISS" type of thing.
The only difference between the above and what I did to the layout,
is that the wire runs under the layout rather than on the top.
I hope that I explained this for you.


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Thanks Woodie,

I'll see if I can make your way work for me.

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Howdy Larry, yep this is an easy way to "do the switchin" but it isn't my idea or a new one.
Back when I was a real kid-about 9 or so,
the fellow at the local hobby shop in my town had a beautiful HO urban style layout,
and all his switches were controlled with knobs & rods.
The solenoids were monstorous then and he preferred the "human touch" VS some mechanism.
I used to read his old Model RR mags (which he sold) some of which were from the late 30's and 40's,
and they had rod & knob control, using choke cables for old cars!
So what's old becomes new again.
Long ago I asked the local auto supply about choke cables,
they had them but the control wire was about 1/8" or so diameter...
way too big for what I wanted.

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Woodie,

I'm doing something pretty similar at the San Miguel yard,
since clearances get a little tight.





I used a springy Z shaped wire,
that goes up through a small tube in the baseboard to move the switch throw rod. 

I happened to have a length of dowel handy, so I drilled a hole in the end of the dowel,
to insert the Z wire, and hung the dowel with a couple of hooks. 

That seems to provide enough tension to keep the switchpoints in place.





I put a small shelf to protect the dowel sticking out of the front of the layout,
from getting bumped or snagged.

It works, it was very cheap (I had everything on hand),
and now I don't have to reach into the middle of the yard to throw a switch.

I have a couple of choke cables laying around somewhere,
but just never seem to remember to use them.


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Woodie,

I just looked at the photo of your two stub switches again,
and it finally dawned on me what I was looking at.
Two stubs separated by maybe ten feet of track!

I'm pretty sure I see two joiners half way between the two switches.
Are the rails fit into them like you would for a slip switch hinge?
Otherwise it seems the rail would be too short to bend.

I'm surprised the auto shop even knew what a choke cable was.
So how do you stop the cable (and rail) from slipping out of position.
I don't see any latches or other obvious "stops"

Tom


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Howdy Tom,
I "introduce" an amount of drag in the throw rods by slightly bending the aluminum tubing that the wires run through.
Depending on how much I bend the tubing determines how well the throw bar stays in position.
You have great eyes, there are 2 rail joiners between the switches,
and they are spiked down so the running rails can have some "play".
It's all very scientific and the latest state of the art computer programs from NASA help me to keep things operating!

Michael, old Frank Zappa would be proud!
A stick and a wire is all you need...an organic solution indeed.


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Oh yeah....the Mothers of Invention.




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W C Greene wrote:
It's all very scientific and the latest state of the art computer programs from NASA help me to keep things operating!

Michael, old Frank Zappa would be proud!
A stick and a wire is all you need...an organic solution indeed.


Nah Woodie.

I reckon your system is nearer the Saturn V guidance set-up,
bits of wire, washers, glass doughnuts and hand operation!

Much nearer to Frank Zappa!

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Howdy Doug, that's a very interesting clip of the Saturn V "innards"...
makes me believe that the real reason we don't make things like that today,
is because NOBODY knows how to make anything!
Glass doughnuts? I have tasted a couple that may have been made from glass...
but with some chocolate frosting they are much better.
Goodness, my dumb phone (flip top), ancient computer, old stereo system, and far
outdated r/c stuff in my widdle twains makes me wish that I had all the lateststuff....
Naaaw!


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Here's another old photo that I found...maybe should be in the "Oddity" forum?





This is the Boquillas monorail which runs from out in the "sticks" to Boquillas,
and hauls silver ore both loose and in bags, depending on which mine is shipping.
The monorail transfers the ore to the 2 foot gauge,
and then it is hauled up to the smelter and interchange at Terlingua.
This is an "A frame" monorail with a single rail atop the frames,
and wooden stringers on the sides of the frames to help keep the train upright.
This is generally modeled after the Epsom Salts monorail out in Nevada,
it connected with the Trona RR.
The "locomotive" is built from a Model T,
with 2 drivers powered by gears and a lineshaft, similar to a Shay loco.
I have thought (a little bit) about making this thing actually run, it is possible...
batteries & r/c gear carried in an ore car.
But with only 4 feet of "track", it wouldn't provide much operation.
Maybe someday I will build a small monorail layout,
so I could watch something like this run around and around.
Well, maybe not!


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Woodie,

Your scenes never fail to amaze me.

I start by "checking out" the cool little monorail,
and then I begin to notice the rest of the scene.

The guy cleaning out (I assume) the gondola,
the stacks and stacks of sacks,
the tank wagon, the freight wagon,
and cars and horses,
and...

Wonderful!

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Looks great as always.


Exactly how many gallons of white glue did you use,

to find all the ground cover on the old layout.


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Glue!!!
Long ago I bought a gallon of ELMER'S glue and used it for years I suppose.
When I built the layout outside, I got a few pints of TITEBOND 3 which is waterproof.
It is a light yellow color but didn't seem to affect the dirt colors.
I still use the TB 3 even though the layout is inside.
Old ways don't die, Die Hard is a Bruce Willis movie.
I do use lots of glue however, don't want any stuff falling off the layout...
that dirt is really expensive!

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OK, here's something a bit different.
More "scenery" for the layout and a little project just for fun?!










Just what I needed...another little project.
This is an "unfaithful" copy of a 1917 steel underframe/dreadnaught ends wooden boxcar.
Built entirely of balsa wood and some wire and sitting on New Brite toy train arch bar trucks
(damn things look OK with a bit of work and new wheels).
The Texas Central dry transfers are from Clover House-they make some wonderful and obscure road names.
The TC was called the "peanut line" and hauled...peanuts. I just couldn't resist using these.
The dreadnaught ends are balsa with lots of filler slathered on to fill the grain.
There are plenty more details to be attached but I am "through" with this for right now.
A 1:35 scale standard gauge car...the thing is pretty large (32 feet),
and the above photo shows how it looks along side a figure and 2 foot gauge rolling stock.
Now I can run a train & do some switchin'...and clean up the shop!


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Woodie,

Neat boxcar.

I was looking at some O scale cars,
and was thinking that maybe an O scale boxcar,
would pass for a 1/35 scale three-foot boxcar. 

Whadda ya think?


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Woodie,

You're killing me.
In the time it takes me to cut out two little hunks of paper,
you scratch-build a complete boxcar.

Very nice!

Tom


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Michael, 1 standard gauge 1:48 boxcar might could pass for a 1:35n3 car.
It would need to be wide enough-approx. 8 scale feet, tall enough-maybe 8 also,
and the door would need to be large enough for loading, maybe 7 feet tall.
The trucks might work OK but the gauge would need to be changed...or not, your choice.
A LIONEL car might work but remember that LIONEL O27 cars are more or less closer to S scale.

Here's an idea...I use NEW BRITE toy train trucks to represent 1:35 trucks (like in the boxcar I just posted)
with better looking wheels and a boxcar, etc. just might be close to 1:35 or 1:32 scale.
Just some better detailing and some paint and that might be a better choice.
I have seen the NB toy trains dirt cheap at shows, while a nice O scale car might cost some serious dinero.

Of course these are just my take on this.
I built the car just to be scenery and sit on a siding with a loading dock.
I built a wooden gondola a few years back for the coal dock,
and used the NB trucks with better wheels (old ATHEARN O scale wheels) and it looks OK also.
I will try to find a photo of it.

Good luck with this project, you still might consider building a car.
OH, one other thing, the 1:35n3 car I built has a set of Precision Scale O gauge arch bars,
with wheels on longer axles and new truck bolsters.
I will look for a photo of that also.

Here it is:





I built this 1:35n3 car from scribed wood over a balsa body.
You can see the PSC trucks, they look fairly good.

And here is a view of the standard gauge wooden gondola.





The couplers that I have used on these cars are ancient (really, REALLY old) MDC O scale knuckle couplers,
that I found at a show cheap because nobody wanted the damn things so they were considered junk.
I bought 4 sets for (I believe) $1. But they look like real couplers, at least to me.


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On another thread, there is a discussion about "differences" in 1:48 figures so I just had to jabber about that.
I did mention about some "surgery" I did to a couple of nazis in 1:35 scale.
Can you tell which ones were "fixed"?
 




They may be kinda homely but that's OK.
And wearing boots? Down in the "Bend" if you don't wear boots,
then you don't go outside amongst the rocks, cactus, and critters.


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Woodie - Nicely done. 

It would take some serious carving to get one of those down to 1:48 scale,
but maybe I'll give it a try.

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Tom, they are still 1:35 scale but I bet there are 1:48 trenchcoat wearing nazis available.





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Tamiya makes some 1/48 scale military figures. 

Do a search on fleabay for '1/48 scale military figures'.



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Tom, Michael...1:48 scale military models are making a "comeback".
1:35 is still the chosen scale for tanks, jeeps, howitzers, etc., and various figures.
I liked making 1:48 ones way back since they were mostly "body parts",
that could be glued together almost any way.
The larger 1:35 are the same way but much easier to whittle on and putty up.
I have several 1:24 scale figures and while I love that scale,
I already have way too much crap in 1:35 to change now.

Maybe in my next life...

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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



YEEE HAAAW ! ... Texas Central !!  :thumb:


I'm inspired to "dust off" the cute lil' 1:24 scale  'Cairo & Kanahwa'  boxcar I made years ago.  :old dude:

WAY too small next to 1:24n3 W.S.L.Co. models.  ???  L:

But Wolfys head JUST clears the top of the 'skullcracker' doorframe !  :mex:



It's BIG !  :shocked:  ... That 1:35 standard gauge !! 



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Si, the Texas Central isn't a made up name.
It ran in Central TX and hauled peanuts, folks called the "Peanut Line".
The TC didn't have any "modern" cars like this one...wood sides and metal ends.
If I had a set of 1:35 "Andrews" trucks then all would be hunky dory,
but I can wish in one hand and s$%t in the other on that.
Your 1:24 scale car would dwarf this one for sure.
Of course EVERYTHING looks big when you run a 2 foot gauge railroad.
I am still "fiddling" with this car,
it looks way better sitting at a loading dock than it does here.


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Woodie,

On your Texas Central box car,
what size or kind of couplers did you use?

I've been thinking of building a idler flat car with dual-gauge couplers,
along with maybe a flat car or box car.
 
Kinda feeling that O scale couplers might look too large. 
Maybe Kadee's On3 couplers (#803 or 807)?


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Woodie,

The picture of the smelter somehow reminds me of the old molasse mine from AHM.....



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W C Greene wrote:









Woodie,

Do you have any progress pics of that boxcar?

It's a beauty.


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Sean, I'll take a couple more...

I need to get some air hoses or make a pair.
The boxcar is sitting at the transfer dock now while I mess with other stuff, like operations.
Those couplers are very old MDC working knuckle couplers, O scale.
They are a bit larger than the Kadee O scale couplers. I might use the Kadee O scale ones,
if you want to spend a little cash, PSC has some very nice O/On3 working couplers.

Also, if I ever get "really crazy", I will build a 1:35 "Andrews" truck frame,
and make 4 castings of it, that's what I REALLY wanted for this old car.
That might make a great thing to make with a 3D printer,
but I don't own one and rather like doing this kind of stuff the "old way".
Too many projects and not enough time!

Gerold, I remember the old AHM kit, never thought of that till now.
This building used to be a large mine on my old Silver City layout but got recycled into a smelter.
I built a loading dock for it (behind the boxcar) for shipping the ore,
which is bagged and will get taken to the transfer dock, further up the line,
where it will be loaded into...the TC boxcar.

I have "thought" about building a static model of a little gas/mechanical "critter" to complete the scene.
Hmmmmm…..





Here's a shot of the Texas & Pacific Coal Co. gondola,
which brings coal to the smelter and locomotive coal station.
 
This was taken after I built it and before I weathered the hell out of it,
with lots of coal dust and coal being shoveled out by a couple of guys with shovels.





And here's an old shot of the Mina Grande mine at Pinos Altos on the old SC layout.
This is what is now the smelter at Terlingua.
The ore chutes were replaced by large doors,
and the foundry building from the same old layout was added to the structure to make it larger.
Shown are 2 water cars, one made from a Bachmann On30 tank car tank,
which I got in a trade and the wooden car was built by my late friend Shayboiler,
it is a model of a Mich-Cal car and is really an On30 model but she looks fine in 1:35 scale.


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I just checked the online Precision Scale catalog,
and couldn't find the O scale Harp switchstands listed which I would want for the layout,
but did send them an e mail so good luck (and some mas dinero) to me...

However, I found that they DO offer 3/8 (1:32 scale) Andrews trucks,
just what I want for my funky Texas Central boxcar.
Now, I need to see how much I love these trucks (translate-how much money do they cost!).

If the switchstands are still available, I will buy a few at a time,
and re-do the switches with knob & rod operation and throw the stands with the rods,
a pretty big job!

I am sorry that I looked at Keith's Gilpin Tram layout with those harp stands...
and sorrier that I let the old ones go with my little Mogollon On20 layout.
That layout is now either in the landfill or in a dusty garage.
Oh well...


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Woodie,

They're not the same as the PSC harp stands,
but have you looked at the (O Scale) stainless steel harp kits from Alkem Scale Models?
They're more civil war era, but look pretty sturdy.

Also John Roth aka kewlbrew makes several 3D-printed ones, also O scale.
I think he sells them under the Fever Creek name on Shapeways.
I've been considering them for the Yellow Creek.
He has a short video that shows them moving with the switch.

The Alkems can be used to do the switching,
so you may need to file off the locking notches.

But the Fever Creeks cannot do the switching,
just follow the throwbar.

Tom 

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Howdy Tom, the stands don't need to be very "sturdy",
since they will be an operable scenic thing.

In fact, I built one similar to Keith's EBT photo yesterday.
I used brass strips, etc. and soldered it all together...
took about an hour or so to make and install,
but if I decide to go that route, the time element will be less.

The big thing will be to install the knob & rods, I will need about 18 more!
To be philosophical, all I have is time to spend and the brass is here,
so such a project won't cost much...except time.
Photo will get posted soon.


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Well, 2 photos:










The size ain't right, should be larger but I'll get there.
I already had a couple of switches set up as knob & rod,
since they were hard to get big hands between cars on a passing siding.
The "throw rod" is just stuck to the switch bridle at the moment,
but when I replace this one, I will make it look better.
But it works and I am happy.
Also happy that I don't have any wiring, DPDT's to consider...
just throwing the iron back & forth.
ONWARD AND UPWARD


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I think it looks really good.
I would think it is just about right for a 2 foot line.

Is that a Caboose Hobbies switch machine I see on the idler car?
Looks like it is on its way to the junk yard.

Good choice.
The harp stand looks much better.

Tom


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Tom, I made a new one which is a bit "hunkier" but looks fine.
It is a little taller than the one shown and is much simpler to make.

I found an EBT harp stand drawing in an old Gazette and "copied" that one.
The harp stands all look to be set up for 3 way switches, the PSC ones are,
but the photo in the Gazette showed one with a regular 2 leg switch.

I'll take a photo of the new one I made, it took about 30-45 minutes to do,
so maybe it won't take so long to make a bunch.


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NEW HARPS...…

I did make a couple of new harp switchstands, a bit larger and hunkier:





These are made with "dimensions" of EBT stands shown in the old Gazette.
Compare to the first one in the earlier post.

I used some old code 100 rail, cut off the base of the rail,
and it made some nice "sorta I beams" which I could mess with.
Slots were cut into the tops for the throw to protrude (25 cent word),
the throw and other pieces were made from .025 brass all soldered together...
basically just 5 pieces including the targets.
The throws were made a bit shorter, the real ones were about 7.5 feet tall,
due to clearance between these 2 tracks.

The first one took about an hour to figure out and make,
the second one took just 30 minutes.
At this rate, I can make all I need in a few "sessions",
with a hot soldering iron and Dremel with cut off wheel(s).

The REAL time spent will be running the underground knob & rod setups!
I figger that I can make the stands and then start diggin' in the Styrofoam.
But the damn things work and look like I wanted them to look.
And after finding out how much the nice PSC O scale harps cost,
I can afford more crap to make crap.
If I could afford them, I would buy them however.


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Woodie,

Very nice job on the Harp stands. 

They look like they would be strong enough to operate the switches themselves,
without the knobs & rods.


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Michael, they probably are sturdy enough to work.

Back when I had those PSC harps,
I found that I needed to solder a length of steel music wire on the throws,
because they were cast brass, they weren't strong enough to throw the rails,
without bending all funny.

Then I figured out how to make the knob & rod operation... but I still had the wire stiffener,
because if I had to rerail something or just do some work on the layout,
the flimsy (and to scale) levers or throws would get fu'ed easily...
even if you just looked at them!

I'll take some pix of one being made,
the process is easy and while listening to some tunes, it goes rather fast.

***thinking about the sturdiness,
there are some places that I should be able to get my shaky old fingers on the throw,
without messing something up.
I will try to just use the harp without knob & rod, just make it so it will keep the rails "bent"...
maybe introduce some "tightness" into the assembly.  You made me think!***


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Now, a few photos showing the making of a "harp" switch stand.
This is 1:35 scale but the idea may work in smaller scales.





This is code 100 rail with the base ground off on both sides leaving a sort of "I" beam.
Dirty work, bits of nickel silver gets all over everything so I do this over the garage floor.





I made this "exact" (?) tracing of one of the finished stands on a piece of AARP paperwork.
I figure it's good for something.





A Dremel (or other) cut off disc is used to cut a slot in the top of the stand for the lever to protrude.
I used one cut off disc per stand to make all the needed parts and do the rail grinding.
So buy a box full if you attempt making more than one or two.





Here are the parts.
I used (of course) a length of code 100 rail with the bases ground off,
and a length of .025 sheet brass to cut the lever and other parts.
I know that I could probably find already cut brass like this on de net or at the "train shop",
they would need to special order it however-K&S makes it as do a couple of other companies.
But I like to cut metal and not wait for some to arrive.
"The brass is in the mail, I will still love you in the morning, etc..."

These parts are soldered together, the lever is then attached with a common straight pin which is soldered in place,
and all the unneeded stuff (long piece of pin and maybe some solder) is "massaged" with a file or the old moto tool.
Just be sure (if you make something like this, that you DON'T solder the lever in place,
it needs to operate (duuuuh?). I speak from experience.

Then I cleaned the finished stand off and treated it to a bath in chemical blackener
(Hobby Black or Micro Engineering makes the stuff).





And here it is, installed.
 
I didn't use the knob & rod here because the switch was close to the edge of the layout,
and there was no need to "hide" the actuating mechanism.
I did squeeze the slot for the lever a bit, to add enough tension to hold the running rails in place.

The ones in the background needed to have the knob & rods since they ran beneath a track and building.
I believe there are just a couple more switches that may need the k&r installed,
the rest can probably be hooked up directly to the stand, like this one.

This stand took longer to take photos than it did to make the parts and solder it together.
Now, I will take a break and do a little switchin'...


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Woodie,

Outstanding piece of work! 

I'll just have to give one a try. 
My new dual-gauge stub switch could use a Harp stand just like yours.



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Neat, very neat - and a pity we don't have a "like" button!



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It's nice to have something a little more sophisticated than a "Like" button ...

... a personally calibrated scale of excellence !



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In this case, pressed the maximum 5 times.  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

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Woodie,

You inspired me to take a whack at making one myself.


So over a couple of hours, off and on, I soldered this up.

I did drill a couple of holes in the base plate for mounting.





Try to ignore the mess in the background. 

This is my workbench out in the garage and it never gets cleaned.


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Si, saaay what??
Pornobucket is full of it anyway!

The stands I modeled (rather unfaithfully) represent a "homemade" job.
There must be different types on different roads, looking at a couple of books I find many "one of" examples.
The PSC offerings are DSP&P and D&RGW types...there are many others.

Michael's stand is prototypical of many that I have seen, a great job and a nice exercise in metal work and soldering.
To actually use one to "bend the iron" means that it must be hell for stout.

Have fun.

Again, great job Michael.
Now you need more...MORE!


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Mess  ???  What mess?

Just remember that a "clean" workbench usually means that...

(1) it got cleaned up for a photo...or
(2) no work is getting done.


And to Farcebook, all I can add is maybe they need a "dislike" button.
Maybe then I might get on there to use it.

Don't worry about these damn buttons, Si.

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" Don't worry about these damn buttons, Si. "






Howdy Woodie  :cb:
Super vista-vision photo ^^ ... I like    it.  :doh:



Worry ? ... Buttons ? ... Wot buttons ?  ;)



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Si, the "dislike buttons" or whatever craaaaap is "cool" on de net these days.

In the olden days, I would write what I wanted,
but today if I wrote something "wrong", I would be accused of "flaming" somebody!

As B A Baracas (Mr. T) would say... "I pity the poor fool!"

Now, how about some railroadin'....?


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Woodie,

I haven't been logging in much lately.

I just wanted to say that the switch stands look great!

The only problem is that now if I don't make my own I'll look like a piker,
like I don't have enough other stuff to learn.

Tom


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Tom,

The switch stands are easy to do. 
Just follow Woodie's directions. 

They turn out great and are very robust.

If I can do it, I figure anybody can.


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Thanks guys,
I started out by wanting to build models of the EBT stands,
but all the little "details" caused me to think... do I want nice detailed switchstands,
or do I want stands that I could build in a reasonable amount of time and still look OK.
I know that I have seen photos of ones that look like mine SOMEWHERE,
maybe I will come across a picture when I am looking for something else.

The ones that I built for using knob & rod operation have very free movement,
the ones that directly control the switches have "binds" to keep the rails in place.
Also, I decided to not have a target on the ones operated by hand,
because the targets (thin brass) tended to "hurt my widdle fingers"...Oh well.
 
One little detail I just thought about would be to have a target with bullet holes...
after all, the guys down along the border like to shoot things!


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Well, well...alert buddy Dave Cox spotted a photo in Lucius Beebe's "HIGHBALL" book,
a photo by Beebe's friend Charles Clegg (they both authored many RR books years ago)
of the yards of the East Broad Top at Orbisonia, PA.
The switchstand some feet away looks like the ones I am making, connected to a 3 way switch.
However, the closer one sets a "standard" 2 way and looks like it was "made for the job".
Now it appears that I will need to make the ones I still need like this one.
Nope, I ain't gonna take up what I have already built but will continue on with the "new design". 
I wish Dave wouldn't look at these old books and find these things...but I am glad he did!


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After I thought about it, making this new "half-harp" switchstand only took about 15 minutes to build.
Just 3 parts, all made from trusty old code 100 rail and a bit of solder.
I just ground down the rail base on both sides of the rail, bent it (like before),
and then cut a slot in the top for the throw lever.
The lever & pivot piece were also made from the same piece of rail, ground down further to make a "flat" piece of stock.
The pivot piece was cut to size and the lever cut to length,
and #72 holes (like all the others) were drilled and the pivot piece was soldered on,
and the lever was pinned by a regular old straight pin, cut down and soldered also.
It took me just a bit longer to do all this as it has to compose this post.
The stand will be epoxied down and spiked to the switch ties and the throw bar will be epoxied to the switch bridle.
This stand is located in a place behind the Gila Tram office, really close to the main line, space is tight there.
From now on, all the stands will be made like this, well maybe another one or so like before.
It depends on how much fun I want to have bending, grinding, and soldering.
Oh, and all the stands have been chemically blackened so no paint to wear off or muck up the "action".
I do intend to put a "target" on the lever.  Some fun, huh?


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Well, I guess that the photo of the switchstands in the EBT yard taken by Charles Clegg and shown in Lucius Beebe's HIGHBALL book didn't pass "muster" even though I gave it proper credit. The brain police are at work again. You will just have to imagine the photo and all others from now on. My hands have been slapped, sorry that I posted that photo. No more will be posted, probably even mine.
*** the EBT photo has been excised from my photo gallery also. That's it, brother!***

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Copyright photos from books cannot be posted here on Freerails

The guidelines on this could not be more straightforward


When its your door the legal writ is delivered to

You can do what ever you are happy with


Posting clearly copyrighted material

Just encourages others to do so


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Woodie,

I am really enjoying seeing your harp switch stands that you put on your layout - lookin' good!


Here is a photo of one of the "half-harp" switchstands,
also on the south end of the East Broad Top Orbisonia yard, and not too far away from the 3-way harp.

I also posted the photo of the three-way here, too.











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Well, you sure told me off. I will attempt to get all my "work" copyrighted and then we shall see.
By the way, what about the other photos which are "verboten"?
I am sure this post will be deleted since Freerails has become a "draconian" thing.

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Long live the Mogollon Railway!





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Wow Duane...I loved that old coach!
As I marimba, I built her from a Grandt Line O scale "steam dummy" kit for their (or Bachmann's) little Porters.
Glad to see her again.





Here's another oldie. Daniel Caso sent me this laser kit for a combine, I believe it's the only one he ran.
I occasionally run her when the Gila Tram has an "overflow crowd".
Shown here with (I believe) Shay #4 out on the Mogollon hi-line.

              Woodie


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I've been operatin' on the railroad lately and not posting any pix here.
Something I had forgotten about is what to do with the slag which occurs when smelting metals.
There is a need to get rid of the waste and lately the smelter has been running most every day,
so there is plenty of slag to dispose of.
For every operation that smelts metals, there must be some type of disposal using a bucket or tub of some sort.
A few years back, I built a little slag car using a plastic measuring spoon.
That little car was just a 4 wheeler and was just a "scenic piece".





I found what I used in a junque box,
and thought some fellow miners would like to see what could be adapted to become a "slag pot".
Sometimes they might be akin to a wheelbarrow and one of these small spoons would work for such a model.
Just a couple of spoked wheels and a frame would be all you need.
Depending on your scale, there is a choice of sizes.
I found this plastic measuring spoon set at the grocery store and the price was right, about a dollar, as I remember.
I just used the size (the largest) in the set and cut it off the handle.
I just may use a smaller spoon to make a wheelbarrow slag pot,
now that I have found the set of spoons.





I had built this little double-truck "idler car" for use at the smelter,
and it had been "hiding" in the machine shop, all forgotten...until now.
I found a couple of "V tipper" car parts (inverted v shapes)
and got some wood planks, a couple of bits of plastic, some NBW's,
and the slag pot that had become junk just laying around.
It needed some type of metal "apron",
that would keep the hot slag from messing up the wooden underframe,
a piece of .010 sheet brass. And after about an hour, here she is.
And the slag pot can be in the dump position also.





The slag can be made from small rocks mixed into a "slurry"of plaster,
or water putty and painted flat black to represent the slag.
Since I wanted to show this car without a load, I used some water putty colored with flat black,
and "painted" in the pot...all crusty and nasty looking.
I have seen solid slag "skulls" and hunks of slag at old smelter locations.
On my old Silver City narrow gauge, I modeled the large slag pile behind the SCPA&M's enginehouse,
and it had some "skulls" and other bits of nastiness.





In this old photo of the SC enginehouse, you can see some of the slag pile behind the structure.
Of course, the real slag pile was much, MUCH larger,
and when I first looked at a photo of the real thing, I thought it was a large hill or mountain.
Yep, a mountain of slag!
So, if you are modeling a mining line and have a smelter, you NEED to have some kind of slag dump.
I don't have one on the Big Bend layout...I actually hated the thing on the SC layout,
but will figger something out that won't make me sorry that I made it.              
WHAT HAVE I DONE?


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Love your rendition of the old Silver City smelter and enginehouse.

Slag is super cool too, though most sane people would probably not find it as fascinating as us nerds do..



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Due to lack of room, the slag dump could easily have been located a distance away from the smelter proper,

where room for the dumping would take place out of site of the viewer.




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