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The Mysterious Moose Mountain managers hadn't mentioned Moguls ...
... until now that is !

A couple of weeks ago, I caught a severe case of MOGUL MADNESS !

I had thought before this, that the only rusty rods rattling round this railroad, would be my stalwart lil' 0-4-2 Porters.

Then ! ... Without warning ! ... The MOGUL MADNESS fever !!

I simply just HAD to have one.
&
A few days ago Mysterious Moose Mountains new Mogul, steamed into my mailbox !

My new Mogul is the ever popular Bachmann On30 loco.
You U.S. boys seem to have them coming out of the woodwork over there !
In ol' Blightey, the On30 Mogul is a slightly rarer beast, so I found out.

I love her as she is.
But my railroad is a rinkey-dink lil' two-bit short-ass operation ...
... so I have decided that some Mogul miniaturizing, is the order of the day !

I thought I would start a Thread for ALL and ANY info & ideas, on 1:1 Moguls & related models.
Kits, bashes, R.T.R and inspiring proto photos.

So, if your Mogul becomes an 0-6-0 fine.
Or perhaps a 2-4-0
Or even a 2-6-2
A 4-4-0 'American' ?
A 'proper' 2-6-0 is great as well.
Inspiration & ideas, for how to make the most of a Mogul, are all MOST welcome.

Me ?
I'm thinking along the lines of a 2-6-0 or 0-6-0 Mogul bash ...
... shortened as much as possible...
... with either a small 'Glover' style tender or saddle-tank & rear fuel bunker.

We'll see.
Ideas may change.
No rush for the razor saw just yet !

So go on !
Post some photos of your Mogul, kit build, bash or your favorite 1:1 prototype.

MOGUL HEAVEN !

:moose:

Si.

My trusty lil' 1:35 scale guy & 'two yard stick', sizes up the new On30 Mogul ...
... for a bit of 'upscaling' to 1:35n2


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Si, check out the old Colorado Central 0-6-0's with 2 & 3 axle tenders and big old stacks! It is late here in Tejas for me to look on de net for a photo but you know how to search. These were 3 footers but would look great as 2 footers. Check them out & let me know what you think. Also, the Mann's Creek Narrow Gauge used 0-6-0's with tenders sitting on a single axle and a 2 axle truck! Very cool lokies.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Thanks for the pointers !

Although I said 'saddle tank & rear fuel bunker'...
... I actually think that an 0-6-0 with 2-axle tender, could be the way to go.

The saddle tank is kinda OK.
But although shorter perhaps, does tend to look a bit chunky.

HOLY COW !
I haven't seen a 1-axle tender before !
Except perhaps on the 'Birdwater & Raspberry' !! ;)
Sounds T O O C O O L !

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In terms of a 'genuine' 2-6-0 Mogul with saddle tank ...
... this funky ol' junk, could take some beating !

If you're gonna have BIG headlamps ! ... Get a BIG hat !! :cb:

;)

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No idea where or when.
Nice though.
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0-6-0T built in 1927 by ALCO.

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Porter Type-C

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Porter Type-C

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Si,

I feel your "Mogul Madness". I currently have five of the Bachmann On30 2-6-0s sitting on my shelf, a sixth is in the mail as I type, and I am currently high bidder on a seventh.

They are just so cool. Looking forward to see what you do with yours!

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Si, the tender I wrote about had a single axle wheelset in journals and a 2 axle truck under the tender. Get it? Of course, if you want a single axle under the tender, it's YOUR locomotive!

Har de har
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East Broad Top's Moguls 1 and 2 both had the same single axle front/archbar rear truck. Built in 1873.

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I have seen a lot of 3 axle tenders with all three axles in journals, but I can't find a 1/2 axle configuration.

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Hi all
The single fixed axle/rear bogie was a way of getting a bigger longer tender with the flexibility to handle curves that a fixed tri-axle wheelbase couldn't.

Then distances got greater and steam locos got bigger, thirstier and hungrier, which meant more fuel and water was needed to get from "here" to "there" and bigger tenders again which led to the double bogie tender.

Of course, if you want a different look to your mogul, try one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_Y_class with a fixed tri-axle tender
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverton_Tramway_Y_class or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_Government_Railways_C_class They bred like rabbits :bg:

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And yes, they breed like rabbits. We have two more on the way.

Si,

You see all those Hawthorne Village coaches behind the locos?

Exceedingly cheap source of On30 archbar trucks. ;)

Rick


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Hi Rick :wave:

I imagine you walking down the street ...
... with 2-6-0s falling out of your pockets !! ;)

I could easily use a 2nd one, in the M.M.M 'chop shop'.
They really aint that easy/cheap to get over here though. :f:

I did manage to score 2-pairs of Bachmann arch-bars, & a pair of passenger trucks recently.
Sort of OK price ... Mmm ...
They make for some 'truck variety', which I like.

The swingin' '60s Tri-ang Railways(TM) diecast ones, are working out real well for 1:35n2 here.
Toms 3D-printed Gilpin Tram trucks are nice for my actual 'prototype' efforts as well.

- - - - - - -

Dear Santa.
Please drop lots of Happy Hawthorne bash-fodder down my chimney.
Have left carrots for the reindeer !

:moose:

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Si, the stock Bachmann On30 "arch bar" trucks (under almost all their freight cars) in fact scale out to have a 3' wheelbase and look pretty much like the trucks under Silver City cars-in 1:35 scale. I ain't kidding!

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Si,

Maybe we can work out some sort of international free-train-trade agreement. I like the look of some of that Tri-Ang stuff...

Rick

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W C Greene wrote:
Si, the stock Bachmann On30 "arch bar" trucks (under almost all their freight cars) in fact scale out to have a 3' wheelbase and look pretty much like the trucks under Silver City cars-in 1:35 scale. I ain't kidding!

WCG


Woodie,

The Hawthorne Village trucks scale out at 4'6" on the coaches I have.

It's exactly 1 1/8" between axle centers - my camera was angled. Whichwould be 3' in 1:35.

Rick


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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Well, you know what ...
... I am trying to use all the different trucks I have, for what seems most appropriate.

So.
Maybe, as a tribute to the Silver City railroad ...
... I should start a build of an 'actual' Silver City car !

Not sure what exactly.
But I figure the Mysterious Moose Mountain 2ft ...
... might just be able to use a 'mysterious boxcar' !

I think either the Bachmann or Tri-ang (very similar) passenger car trucks ...
... could well come in handy, for a nice 'shorty' Mogul tender.
Perhaps along the lines of Glovers tenders ? ?

Maybe even a Porter tender, American Land & Lumber styleee.

Things are coming together, as I see more of the 'relative' sizes of my locos & cars.
Small - Porter.
Medium - Shay.
Large - Mogul.
Quite nice for potentially different duties.

:moose:

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There you go!

Two-Shay...
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You can't really see it but this old Colorado Central Porter-Bell 0-6-0 had a 3 axle tender truck. See what I wrote about a large stack?  Very cool old lokie.

WCG

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" Very cool old lokie."

Nice ride :pimp: Woodie :cb: !

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Si-BUY THAT BOOK! ITS A GOODIE!!!

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I did !

I thought it looked really interesting.
I searched on Google for 'Glover Machine Works'...
...& your review at Freerails came up !
Musta missed that one in the books Forum.

Bit rare & pricey here in Britain.
But happened to get lucky & score a perfect copy for £13.24p !

Dave the postman will probably launch it into the mailbox on Monday !

I have great expectations from what I hear about it.
I don't have that much locomotive info in book form.

NICE !

:moose:

Si.

Great painting on the cover.
It looks like that loco has the '1-axle + 1-truck tender', by what I can tell.
Or does it ?
Can't quite totally tell actually ? ... Mmm ...

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I'm pretty sure that someone (maybe Flying Zoo?) made a brass model of the Glover loco shown on the cover painting.

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Hi EBT :wave:

Here's a 2-6-0 Flying Zoo apparently made a model of.

Argent Lumber No.3

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That old 2-6-0 may just be a Porter. Glover locos seemed to have arched cab windows. But whoever built her, she's a neat little lokie and would probably make a fine 35n2 mogul. That tender is just too cool for school!

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Yes, the arched cab-window is def. the Glover signature.

I think I see a Porter builders plate, just below the stack on Argent Lumber No.3

And YEAH ... That tender has 'the look' !

Well ... That lovely new book came in. :bg:

I'll probably have more to say about it in a while.

But what is there to say ?

It is a GREAT book !

I am totally amazed at the shear variety of designs constructed by Glover, who only made a total of about 200 locomotives.

Yet almost each one pictured in the book, and there are LOADS of truly excellent photos, is different & unique in one way or another.

Big, medium, small, standard, narrow gauge, & even narrower gauge, tender, tank etc. etc.

And all very fine looking locos indeed, with that certain 'something' !

:moose:

Si.

A happy reader ! :bg:

Had a bit of a look at this add on kit for the Bachmann 2-4-4-2 from Backwoods Miniatures, I may be insane enough to go for a Mallet on my line !



But the general 'tank' layout looks interesting for a Mogul 'T' conversion.

Damn lot of rivets though !

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Never took you for a rivet counter Si!

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What's a "rivet"?
Jose.

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Hi Jose :wave:

It's kinda like a NAILHOLE ! in reverse.

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Si.

Annoying little things ... RIVETS !
Oh well . . .

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I TOLD YOU THAT WAS A GREAT BOOK! Now, check with the NMRA (not the Monkey Assn, the other one) about the PORTER book. Then you will achieve "funky nirvana" .........

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Si. wrote: Howdy Woodie :cb:



I did !



I thought it looked really interesting.

I searched on Google for 'Glover Machine Works'...

...& your review at Freerails came up !

Musta missed that one in the books Forum.



Bit rare & pricey here in Britain.

But happened to get lucky & score a perfect copy for £13.24p !



Dave the postman will probably launch it into the mailbox on Monday !



I have great expectations from what I hear about it.

I don't have that much locomotive info in book form.



Odd, I had a copy of it (bought for next to nothing at a used book store), read it, decided to get rid of it as I specialize very tightly for RR books, then took it to several model train shows before anyone showed interest in it.
It's a classic case for valuable but only to a few people...

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Hi Mogul Mashers :wave:


A good link on how to open your Bachmann Mogul.


http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/mogul_dcc/


I couldn't get mine apart for the life of me !

The secret is the 'front tab', this shows you how.


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Hi Guys :wave:


Well ... The 'clunky' Mogul I bought on eBay ... is def. CLUNKY !

& yep ! ... The gear-wheel on the rear-axle has SPLIT !

The rest of the loco is in A1 condition, it appears from wheels paint etc. to have been hardly run.


So I eMailed Bachmann UK ... & heard back already, from the spares-dept.

They are able to supply a new 'wheelset', comprising 3-axles inc. gear & all coupling-rods, for £22.00p inc. P&P.

Added to my eBay cost of £44.94p ... that makes the loco, a C&S No.22 version, cost £66.94p, all P&P and spares included.

My first one, a 'boxed' Bumblebee, cost me £78.49p inc. P&P.


Mmm...


Or I could send it back to the seller & get a refund, costing me P&P both ways, of about £10.00p


I seriously doubt very much, I'd be that likely to find a decent C&S version for £67, anytime soon anywhere in the UK.


:moose:


Si.


Gee ... Those Moguls do make my Porter, Shay & crispy 4-wheel critters look a tad 'miniature' ! ;)


Seasons Greetings !

& a Merry Mogul New Year to y' 'll !


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I never had a gutted one in my hands, but how hard is to remove one wheel from the axle and replace the gear with a similar one?. Anything put together from different parts can be disassembled again, just takes a bigger "Scottish adjusting tool". The one you have is doomed anyway (diabolical grin).
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Hi Jose :wave:

It is slightly annoying for a tight-wad like me to flash £22 for, as you say, a piddly lil' placky cog !!

Actually it's B!@@$? insane !

Problem is finding the correct gear to put back on the axle.

Could be damn hard to find.

I did wonder about trying to 'hand file' one out of brass.

Anything is 'doable', but how long would that take me ? ... & would it be any good ?

You are right of course Jose.

The existing parts are DOOMED ! ... Possibly sellable though !

I'll have a look at how easy it will be to break it even more, removing the wheels from the axle. ;)

Mmm... Pops always said, " Don't despair, REPAIR ! " ... I do try to.


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Si.


Just realized, the repair-bill for No.22 ... is £22 ...

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Si, Bachmundane has this real problem with splitting gears due to "too tight" dimensions. Most every BM loco I have owned has had the problem. It is (or should be) possible to replace JUST THE GEAR but BM, like auto makers, etc., want to sell us great unwashed the WHOLE TAMALE! You will need a new gear, the old cracked one CANNOT be repaired, no matter what "info" you find on de net. If it were me (what?), I would find some kindly old friend who knows how to make gears and have him/her make a new one from brass. I know this is possible, my BM Shays needed new pinion gears long ago and a fellow up north made new brass ones for me (before NWSL came & went) which are still in service today. Yes, Botchman makes pretty trinkets but they have design faults which make reliable and long term operation just a "pipe dream"...

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Make a search online for a similar gear (size and # of teeth. As long as the diameter is the same one tooth more or less will work). Drilling a hole for the axle is ridiculously simple. Anybody with a cheap lathe can do it.
Check old toys also.
And don't worry about time. You are not "on the clock".
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I would think one of those gears you showed me a photo of would work.
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" Check old toys also ... And don't worry about time. You are not "on the clock"."


Hi Jose :wave:


Always the 'philosopher' !

You are right, there is no great RUSH to hand over the booty to Bachmann !!

I am checking my 'old toys' as well. ;)

In fact, my slotcar drive-train stash MAY just have the answer to the problem ... we'll see.


Hi Rick :wave:


It is possible that the 60-piece gear-set may have something for the job also.

It is currently in a shipping-container, rounding Cape Horn ( I suspect ) !

I eMailed P&O and asked them to tell the ships Captain to STEP ON IT ! :shocked:


In any case...

...with my RAZOR SAW techniques a bit rusty, the WHOLE loco is probably gonna be a 'write off' soon anyway ! ;)


:moose:


Si.

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Hi Si,

here's on you don't have




One careful owner, never had volts applied, and a few years old now -

 

It pre-dates the gear problems, so it might just work if ever volts were applied :2t::bg:

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FWIW Si, here's another one you haven't got! ;)

Started life like this


n (2) by slateworks, on Flickr

Now looks like this


n (3) by slateworks, on Flickr


n (3-1) by slateworks, on Flickr

And it goes like this (please excuse the jerky vid - I still haven't got the hang of camera manipulation!) :us:

https://youtu.be/NXX2HquKZ0s

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Video came out well enough; nice turntable, too.

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Si, you ain't alone with cracked gears! I just got out my 35n2 "gas mechanical" to run a bit and it has the infamous Botchman cracked gears! New ones are about $10 USD but I have to take the outside counterweights off, wheels, and old screwed gears. Then it is "fun" to squeeze on the new gears (which will crack in time) wheels and be sure the counterweights are properly quartered. Looks like the old gas mechanical will reside in the display case from now on. A while back I bought 2 sets of drive train gears(from motor to the driveline) for my 2 Shays...replaced one (2 fifths of Jack Daniels) and look "forward" to working on #4. Maybe I will go to the "other side" before this job gets done! My one Christmas wish is that the "designers & engineers" at BM get their just deserts-being chased by Dan Patch with his pitchfork while they wander around hell! I know they will never see this post, but if they do...the fires down there ain't hot enough for those $%^&*(!!!
Ho Ho Ho Kid, you'll shoot your eye out!

Troublemaker



The tired lokie herself...

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Thanks KB. I'll talk about the turntable on my Updah Creek thread.

Sorry Si, not meaning to hijack your Mogul thread.

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" Sorry Si, not meaning to hijack your Mogul thread."

Hi Doug & all :wave:

Just to say, I for 1, don't believe in all this 'hijack this, hijack that' talk.
We're all here to Post pix of cool trains...
...so POST AWAY !
The more Moguls, the merrier, in my opinion.

I even like Woodies 2-2-2-2 red I.C. Mogul No.6 ! ;)
" I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MOGUL "
( I think that's a misquote of Patrick McGoohan BTW )

Those backwoods loggers really ruined that nice paint-job on the Moonlight Express loco. ;)
John, make sure any roaming loggers KEEP AWAY from your lovely North Pole No.5
That kind of finish could have added MILLIONS of sales for Timpos 'Prairie Rocket' !

I'm totaly NUTS over the 'Glover Steam Locomotives' book BTW !
There is more inspiration in that volume, for the potential loco builder/basher than I can possibly deal with !
The quality of the photos, is second to none as well.
What a find !
What a GREAT lil' loco company !!

:moose:

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slateworks wrote:











Nice!
Where you get the builder's plate from?

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Lee, I had the plates made up by Narrow Planet and they're now on their general list.
https://narrowplanet.myshopify.com/collections/works-plate-styles

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W C Greene wrote: Si, you ain't alone with cracked gears! I just got out my 35n2 "gas mechanical" to run a bit and it has the infamous Botchman cracked gears! New ones are about $10 USD but I have to take the outside counterweights off, wheels, and old screwed gears. Then it is "fun" to squeeze on the new gears (which will crack in time) wheels and be sure the counterweights are properly quartered. Looks like the old gas mechanical will reside in the display case from now on. A while back I bought 2 sets of drive train gears(from motor to the driveline) for my 2 Shays...replaced one (2 fifths of Jack Daniels) and look "forward" to working on #4. Maybe I will go to the "other side" before this job gets done! My one Christmas wish is that the "designers & engineers" at BM get their just deserts-being chased by Dan Patch with his pitchfork while they wander around hell! I know they will never see this post, but if they do...the fires down there ain't hot enough for those $%^&*(!!!
Ho Ho Ho Kid, you'll shoot your eye out!

Troublemaker"

Woodie,  I have had good luck repairing cracked gears.  Rather simple solution that I would also recommend before putting in new - to be cracked - gears.  I slip a peice of aluminum tubing over the gear with a drop of CA.  Then the pressure fit does not cause failure.  




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slateworks wrote: Lee, I had the plates made up by Narrow Planet and they're now on their general list.

https://narrowplanet.myshopify.com/collections/works-plate-styles





WOW, I have to get a set of these, even though I've already done decals to replace the awful Bachmann builder plates on my On30 ten-wheelers. I'm going to order a set for each loco, and swap them out eventually even though the decals aren't half bad looking now. These look amazing!
I just wish they made Baldwin number plates for the smokeboxes...

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Lee, just send them an email
info@narrowplanet.co.uk.
with a picture of what you want ant they'll quote you for producing it and it will then be added to their list. Here's the general blurb on the subject.
https://narrowplanet.myshopify.com/pages/faqs

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slateworks wrote: Lee, just send them an email




info@narrowplanet.co.uk.




with a picture of what you want ant they'll quote you for producing it and it will then be added to their list. Here's the general blurb on the subject.




https://narrowplanet.myshopify.com/pages/faqs







I emailed them with photos of number plates, asking if
they could make those. They replied and said they could make them any size I
wanted as they had the art for those already done.
I will be placing an
order for a full set of builder plates in metal for each of my ten-wheelers and
number plates, too.


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Hi Guys :wave:

Well, that eMail to the Chief at P&O musta done the trick !

My $2 buck gear set from Sumting-Wong Precision Plastic ARRIVED !!

Slight delay, bit choppy round the Cape Ol' Bean.

Me Mogul was put back together, but on first glance from what I can remember of the busted gear wheel...

...it does look like the Sumting-Wong job-lot might just have a suitable replacement ! :bg:

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More news at 10

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Howdy Si, well it's 10 and us old farts want to know how things are going.
As Mama Rosanne Rosanna Danna said-"It's always somethin'.."

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

No sweat !

I've got a team of Oompa Loompas workin' on it RIGHT NOW ! ...
... I should check back & see that they ain't just lounging around eatin' chocolate bars !!

Chief Freerails philosopher Jose, said there's no hurry to trash it even more ...
... I have been 'eyeing her up' though, with a bit of help from the FANTASTIC 'Glover Steam Locomotives' book !

Have also been having anxiety-dreams about RIVETS !
But ...
... Dave the postman delivered a new tool the other day, which looks pretty handy !

Not sure what the proper name for it is.
But it is used for marking-out starter-holes for leather-stitching.
It is a 3/4" wheel, with 2mm spaced blunt-points on it ( sort of a small useless pizza-cutter ).
Run along a rule, on thin styrene with a cutting-mat behind, it produces a pretty nice line of rivets !

Even MORE news at 10 !

( better make that 11 )

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Howdy Mogul bashers :mex:


In reading my latest book buy, I came to realize that the 2-6-2T was a VERY popular loco for rough logging & mining track.

'Sonora Narrow Gauge' describes & pictures 2-6-2Ts by ALCo. Baldwin and others I believe, which were the favored type in mountainous twisty Mexican mining operations.

From the Baldwin catalogue, an interesting description of 'the theory'.



There were of course other locos used, but the 2-6-2T which had previously escaped my attention, is clearly highlighted as a operational success.

I haven't had time to go back to the excellent 'Glover Steam Locomotives' book yet, to see what similar 'tanks' they made, but will do so soon enough.

Entering 2-6-2T into Google brings back ALL SORTS of interesting results, from right around the globe, the UKs L&B narrow gauge, the Victorian Railways similar locos, & of course lots of U.S. Baldwins, ALCo.s etc. etc.

I like steam locos of course !
But don't really actually KNOW much about them, in the way some do.
However, the shear range of size, proportions, wheel dia.s & other details, means there TRULY IS a prototype for everything !!

It is inspiring my Bachmann Mogul BASH in the right direction in any case ! :bg:

:moose:

Si.

Just a quick question, for those who 'know' about these things.

In terms of 'volume'...
...what do you guys think the 'ballpark figure' (or ratio -:-) is generally likely to be, between the water-capacity & fuel-capacity of yer average steam loco.

OK, perhaps a difficult question.
No prizes for down to the last rivet. ;)
But thereabouts.

I look at the famous Mich. Cal. oil-Shay for example & see 2 distinct 'volumes' for oil & water.
I guess the 'volumes' needed for the same fuel, in either oil, coal. or wood, are also very different.

Just wondered what peoples think.

:bg:

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A Baldwin from Brazil I believe.

Interesting tank detail.



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Details from the Baldwin catalogue.



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Another 2-6-2T from Baldwin.

Run on the 4Cs narrow gauge in Sonora down Mehico way. :mex:

( the company run by O.K.Coral gunslingin' mining mogul, Col. W.C.Greene ! )



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Si, as I recall (or marimba) Backwoods Miniatures has a "conversion" kit for a Botchmann 2-6-0 or 2-8-0 which has this look. Yes, I know it's in wimpy O scale but these locos are big enough for 1:35 that all you REALLY need is a larger cab and some hombres in the cab and there ya go.
However, a crafty fox like yourself can make it from scratch with the help of a "Kephart-O-Matic", etc. rivet maker or just an old clock gear.

The W C Greene you mention is not the droid you seek.

Beaudreaux

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Yes indeedy !

The Backwoods Miniatures conversion kit is an interesting looking mod.



Looks like it's for an HO loco, not sure which one.

A mighty fine & unusual On30 loco fer sure.

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Si.

Of course, starting with an HO loco, means that the drivers are of a small diameter, very much in line with a typical industrial prototype.
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Looking on the net for 'Glover Machine Works' stuff...

...turned up this link, which is to a 1:48 museum display model of the Glover Works.


http://fineartamerica.com/featured/glover-machine-works-pat-turner.html


Nice looking model !


Plenty of mini-Moguls produced between those 4 walls !!


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Photo courtesy of an unknown museum visitor & web blogger.



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U.S. Army 600mm gauge Baldwin 2-6-2T



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Also very nice pics. in the 'Glover Steam Locomotives' book.
A pair of Glover built 2-6-2Ts made for export.

:bg:

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Option 1: it is an enormous flatcar.
Option 2: that is very small engine.

I guess the crew had to be kneeling in that cab! Safety helmet mandatory?

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Hi Alwin :wave:

Here's a kinda very similar sized A.L.Co. running in Wales.





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Si Are you familiar with Sir Terry Pratchett's Discworld series?
One novel called "Raising Steam" which is about the invention of the steam locomotive and the rise of the railroad.
I think you'd enjoy it.
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Si, the Backwoods kit is intended for an HO Bachmann 0-6-0. The On30 2-6-0 mechanism MIGHT work...maybe with some fiddlin'. Yes, those small cabs were called "skull crackers" for some unknown reason.

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Hi Rick :wave:


I do know several BIG fans of Terrys 'Disc World' sagas.

I have not got round to them myself though.

Well, if there's a TRAIN book, I might well have to check it out ! :bg:


- - - - - - -


Howdy Woodie :cb:


No worries, I ain't gonna use the Backwoods kit, any which way.

But it is a nice pic.

Great for On30, using the HO mech. probably.

1:35n2 I think that generally that mech. looks a bit small perhaps.

Mmm...

Or not, if you want really small 'industrial' wheels.


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Si.


Page 88 & 89 in the Glover book are my favs. so far ! :bg:

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If you read Terry Pratchett's "Raising Steam", you will need to read the companion book. Mrs BRADSHAW's Handbook
to ravelling upon the ANKH-MORPORK & STO PLAINS HYGENIC RAILWAY.:moose:

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Absolutely a necessity to read Mrs. Bradshaw's Guide!
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Hi.  I'm Rick, and I am a Mogulholic.
I bought another today - D&RGW "Bumblebee" livery.
I need help...
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Howdy Rick, I'm a Shayaholic myself. What do you need help with?

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I need help not buying Moguls. ;)
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My D&RGW 2-6-0 arrived today.
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Here she sits and waits for a Porter to clear the track beyond the switch.

I have already named her "Aunt Bee".

Eagle-eyed viewers may spot the bundle of lumber for benchwork in the background.  :glad:

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Nice!.

Eagle-eyed viewers = nitpickers?.

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" Eagle-eyed viewers may spot the bundle of lumber for benchwork in the background "

Hi Rick :wave:

Looks like you could stir a lot of coffee with that bundle ! :shocked:

'Aunt Bee' huh ?
I trust she didn't sting your a$$ in the Dinero dept. !

Aunt Bees relative, 'Sister Sepia', at least makes me slightly less nauseous than the happy hawthorne R.R.s pavement-pizza liveries ! ;)
Those Updah loggers have got the right idea.
Ruin that Santa Claus special as quickly as possible, with neglect & corrosion for the 'ideal' backwoods 'banjoed boiler' look !

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I kind of like Aunt Bee.  I may leave her as a bumblebee.
The Hawthorne-liveried Moguls are all going to be blackened and corroded; pilots removed, etc.
I have one that is painted (black/silver) and unlettered, and one black/silver Colorado & Southern #22 which I like.  The unlettered one will definitely be lettered for the RC&RS.
I think I may need a Mogul Parking Only roundhouse.
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As far as the sting:  It was a little more than the Hawthorne Village locos.

This one was around $60 US with shipping, appears to be new (no box - in molded styro, I assume from set break-up), and it arrived in three days from ordering!

This is one of the Moguls I've wanted since I started "collecting" them, so it's worth about the cost of a decent bottle of tequila, to me. :)

Rick

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Hi Rick :wave:


The tight-wad accountants at Mysterious Moose Mountain figure that an Aunt Bee cab & pilot could be worth some DINERO ! in ol' Bachmann starved Blighty !

Good news, since at 1:35 Aunt Bees cab is a cranium crusher ! :shocked:

Gotta get back on my Mogul repairs, been busy on other stuff.

But time to think about a 2-6-2ST BASH !

Makes sense.


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Anybody feel like modelling THIS prototype?

It's a mogul that was converted to a V8 power plant.




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I would have to route the exhaust out the stack...
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That last pic is just wrong on so many levels. LOL
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Build it... and then enter it in the NMRA Nats. That would be EPIC!.
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Hi Eric :wave:


You seem to have the knack of finding pix of the kind of ruined rusty wrecks that only Freerails top rust researcher, Jose, can match !


With a number of 1:35 mutant military kits, a Bachy Mogul & a firm belief in 'there's a prototype for everything' I am considering what monsterous mangled contraption could be possible !


After a nice polite 2-6-2ST though !


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Jeees ... THAT THING is just unspeakable !

Well done !!

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It may be a 4-6-0 but certainly you could build this from the old 2-6-0.....

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It can be done except in my case it was using an HO Mantua Tyco 10 wheeler as a chassis.


t (7) by slateworks, on Flickr

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HOLY COW ! :shocked:


When I said at the start of the Thread, if your Mogul turns into, 'this & that', I had NO IDEA that this kind of rampant rusted reckneckisms would appear ! ;)


Woodies worst nightmares & Dougs AWESOME gas-guzzler are SCARY to say the least ! :cool:


Eric, you have taken the Thread to a new depth of lawlessness which WE NEED HERE ! :bg:


Please delve into your rusty archives & sell us some more clapped out garbage ! ;)


Some crazy dude like Doug ( or me ? ) might even make a model of it !!


Doug :moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:


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The only other steam-to-diesel locomotive conversion I know of is Mutual Plywood's #54 Heisler.  Mr. Greene posted a good shot of it a few years ago:




I also know about the Kitson-Still locomotive, it would start on steam then switch over to diesel to take advantage of steam's starting power and diesel's fuel economy.

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/kitson/kitsonst.htm

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Hi Eric :wave:


That is totally $8%£@&!*


I LOVE IT !


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Doug's L&S* 4-6-0 is GREAT! Wunnerfull! The Heisler photo was sent to me by Mr. Heisler, a real descendant of the man who designed the loco! I have thought about this one for quite some time. I have the parts for 2 old Rivarossi HO Heislers which would work, the newer Bachmann On30 Heisler would be more suitable...but the price! Yikes, that's some serious dinero to lay out for something to whack apart! But still....

*Ludlow & Southern (I believe), an obscure road out in Nevada. The photo is from Myrick's "Railroads of Nevada", I forgot which volume however.
Si-another set of books you might love..but dey ain't cheep!

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Vol 2 Woodie and I picked up my copy for £25 post paid before starting the conversion. Superb book with so many great photos of unusual and "normal" locos and well worth the money. Hard back but second hand (like mime), it's available in the States for just $13 which must be a bargain.

https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/railroads-of-nevada-and-eastern-california-volume-2-the-southern-roads/author/david-f-myrick/

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DAMN IT . . . I HATE FREERAILS !


For so many EXCELLENT book recs. ! :f:


I just got David F. Myricks - ' New Mexico's Railroads ' in fact !


I guess this, if not already reviewed, needs the F.R. treatment.


Along with ' Little Railways Of The World ' of course. :bg:


I'm outta here . . .


Gone to sniff MEK and struggle with microscopic MiniArt !! . . .


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L a t e r . . .

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Si, I wrote about both books back before the "meltdown" ate the thread!

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Mmm ...


Thanks for the reminder ...


... sigh ...


Mmm ...


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Before my time ... but, yeah . . .

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W C Greene wrote:I have the parts for 2 old Rivarossi HO Heislers which would work, the newer Bachmann On30 Heisler would be more suitable...but the price! Yikes, that's some serious dinero to lay out for something to whack apart! But still....
I just ordered myself an On30 Heisler from TheFavoriteSpot, with shipping it's only about $200.  Hefty price but it runs beautifully.


http://thefavoritespot.com/m-1-bachmann.aspx?section=-2136-

Edit: I just thought of another reason to get the Bachmann:  Their Whitcomb sound module should work in it if you want it to SOUND like a diesel too!  :D

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Went to a train show today and found 3 Moguls for $45 each.  Don't really need one but now contemplating going back.  Is this a good price?  Could probably get all three for $100.
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I would say..."go back and buy them for 100 bucks!" If just for kitbash fodder, they're worth it!

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Don't really need one but....
 ... let's go and buy all three (just in case).
That's how we end with whole houses full of unbuilt models.
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  When you have to many 2-6-0s, you could do what the Osete Railway in Brazil did and convert a Standard gauge 3 Truck Shay to a SHAY-Meyer 2-6-0+0-6-2T for operation on their 1 meter gauge line.
  The other two SHAY's were rebuilt into Pacific's, one is in a museum in Brazil.


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What did they do? Is that a Shay boiler? The drive train isn't old Ephiram's design for sure! Actually, the above loco looks like a "Mason Bogie" with another engine under the bunker where a 3 axle truck would "normally" be. Whatever it is called, it looks like a dandy way to use a couple of the Bachmann 2-6-0's, provided smaller drivers could be used.
Just like it has been said-"There's a prototype for everything".

Woodie

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Yes! it is a SHAY boiler, LIMA SN #3185, #'s 3183 & 3184 were converted to 4-6-2s. Built for Estrada de Ferro Osete de Minas in 1922. Osete #302, believed converted in 1930 and
retired in 1930, apparently not a great success!. Only known
photo.
The two Pacific's faired a bit better, #339 converted in 1941, destroyed by boiler explosion 1955, #340 converted
1942, retired 1965, on display.

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1930, you say?
Hmm... the year the RC&RS is set in.
I say maybe one of those 2-6-6-2's made it's way to South Mississippi.I sure have enough Moguls to donate a couple to the bash.
Rick

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Ken, do you have the link to the original image? Looks like the one you posted is scaled.

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White Pass & Yukon Pictures
scroll down to Narrow Gauge Export pictures

scroll down to 2-6-0+0-6-2

Bruce has collected a fair number of photos covering numerous wheel arrangements, so there are lots to look at.

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Well, it took some time but I found it.

Here is the link: http://narrowmind.railfan.net/Shay-Kitson-Meyer-Oestes.jpg
Not much more detail though.

For all the other stuff:
http://narrowmind.railfan.net/

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Well ... the ol' Mogul reared it's ugly head the other day !

I got a good telling orf from Woodie :cb: as well ... For sticking it's cab on my Porter ! :shocked: 

He was right ... It did look pretty iffy ! :pimp:


The tender & razor-saw may well meet up at some point in the future as well.





I've had ideas & parts for a turntable of some sort for a while.

The plastic-sections are from a OO/HO kit by 'Wills' called a 'Vari-Girder Bridge'.

It has plastic RIVETED SECTIONS as well ! :bg:


I had drawn it in length as short as possible, modeled on an On30 Shay wheelbase.

But the Mogul converted to a 2-6-2T would need a longer turntable.

So I tried to re-figure the number of plastic-sections needed.



:P



Si.


I have been looking at 2-wheel pony-trucks for a 2-6-2T.

A 2nd matching Bachmann one would be nice ... but ...

Mmm . . .

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There are just TOO MANY cool :cool: prototypes for a Mogul BASH !


Having become a bit obsessed by 2-6-2ST locos ...

... I came across this research pic.





Perhaps an 0-6-0ST loco would be a bit better for my 'compact' rolling stock line ?

Not having the 2 pony trucks to fit in at each end, really does save quite a bit of length.

Mmm ... L:



:moose:



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Tri-ang Railways 2-6-0 Mogul 

'Davy Crockett'






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:mex:Pssst Si,

L: Want the coach to go with it?? Ask the right question?? ;) 

It's a bit chipped and battered but its still almost all there..after 40 plus years.


Q: Why was Davy Crockett such a good scout??
A: 'coz he had 3 ears - a left ear, a right ear, and a wild front-ear :bg:

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Ken C wrote: ... and convert a Standard gauge 3 Truck Shay to a SHAY-Meyer 2-6-0+0-6-2T If heard in conversation I'd have said, even knowing the quirky stuff I know of, surely there's no prototype for that!
Umm, well ... :shocked:
(truth can be stranger than fiction - and there's some pretty strange fiction out there!)

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" truth can be stranger than fiction - and there's some pretty strange fiction out there! "





The truth IS out there  .  .  .  :shades:



" The king of the wild front ear ! " :cb:



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Why should I stay paranoid? Why are you telling me that?

How do I know I can trust your advice? Can you prove you aren't a disinformation agent?

;)

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Hi Forrest :wave:



My information is dissed by MILLIONS usually !

Clearly 'dis' information. ;)


I must do more research ...

... at least I could back up the B.S. with hard FACTS then !! :P



- - - - - - -



A case in point could be this latest eBay purchase ... Mmm ...



Slowly seeing what I might be able to do with my 2-6-0 Mogul ...

... I am still drawn towards a BASH into a 2-6-2T.



A bit like the 'down South' ones Duane documents in his Sonora book ...

... as being popular with Mehicos miners.





Anyways ... I kinda needed a pair of front/back ponies both the same so I thought.

No way was I gonna match the Bachmann On30 pony with another one.

So I clocked these nice heavy diecast ones, with insulated metal wheelsets on evilBay.



Outside bearings ... Mmm ...

In fact 2x the same, were original unused spares for the Tri-ang/Hornby Britannia loco.

Wha d' you guys fink ?

Any good for a go ??



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Si.



Just trying to get the bits together, for a shop drawing attempt ! :brill:

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Looks fine to me. Reminds me of some ancient HO Mantua parts that are lurking in a box somewhere. I was gonna install one on my 0-4-2t...but when I look for something in particular, I end up finding something else and get "side tracked".

WCG


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