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 Posted: Fri Sep 16th, 2016 05:12 am
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Well I went away for a while to do a lot of reading and research and wait on my stuff to get here.  So I now own a Bachman Big Hauler 10 wheeler (Christmas set), an LGB Porter, A Lionel O *Scale* Mother Hubbard (i.e. Camelback), an O gauge semi-scale Atlas Atlantic, and an S scale AF Atlantic.

I took a couple of pics of the out in the yard to see what size looks best out there.

G scale through S scale 1

G scale through S scale 2

I made them links as they are pretty good size and did not want to mess up the page.

So my wife and I agree, anything from the Camelback and up are good for out in the yard.  One exception is the On30 might look good in an isolated, dedicated area; but then I may as well do that indoors and not have to mess with the extra stuff of non-weather proof equipment.

I am very impressed with the Lionel O Scale Camelback (maybe it is because I just really like the look of the Camelbacks) and the Bachmann On30.  Those locos just look really good.  This is especially true of the Bachmann given the pricing of these.

My pic has a LGB Stainz because a friend let me borrow it for a bit.  My Porter came in the day after I took the pics.

Porter and Stainz 1

Porter and Stainz 2

I am not quite sure the Stainz is 1:22.5 looking at it next to the Big Hauler.  Looks a bit large to me, especially when the Porter is pictured next to it.  Anybody know?

The one thing missing that I would like to see in person is a Piko, USA Trains, Aristocraft, or Marklin.  Overall Marklin is far too pricey for me, but their tinplate-like Maxi line is appealing.  My wife likes the semi-toy look, and that factors in overall.  ;)

So my friend also has a Maxi he is going to loan me so I can add that to the mix and really see how much of a difference there is in 1:32 vs. 1:22.5.

I really do like the Piko and LGB stuff, but I am finding far more used/less expensive LGB.  I am also finding real 1:48 stuff costing more than the 1:29 and 1:22.5 stuff.

Is their quality on par with each other?

With my daughter in the picture (literally and figuratively!), is the LGB stuff more durable/reliable?  I think it is, but not sure.

It seems I may well have come full circle and really am hearing some of the advice that some others have given me and at this point I am leaning more towards 1 gauge and either Piko or LGB.  For my first foray into model railroading the more robust 1 Gauge/G scale stuff may well be better to help prevent disappointment and frustrations.  I am not necessarily giving up on other scales: I would love to do an O scale layout and mix both standard and narrow gauge with a plausible story behind it.  Any thoughts would be welcome, but yes I do realize it is my decision.

The one thing that is killing me is track price!  Even used it is expensive unless I plan to take several months/years to find the good deals to have enough.  Even O gauge is pricey, although that can be found for somewhat less than 1 gauge.

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The Stainz is somewhere 1:16~1:18, the original being 30" (really!) gauge.
( SKGLB/Zillertalbahn/Mondseebahn : 760mm ) Who cares for 2mm, which is within common tolerances anyway?
One word about quality: PIKO stuff is a far cry from original LGB sold by L. of America. The contemporary Märklin stuff is seeming to be downgraded to meet PIKO's.

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Helmut #1,
Can you tell me about "PIKO stuff is a far cry from original LGB sold by L. of America"? Does that mean Piko is better or not so good?

What about newer LGB? or did you mean real LGB (are there counterfeits?)?

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Just read this thread:
The original LGB quality ( 1968 till ~2005 ) was excellent. LGB went bust in 2007 and was taken over by Märklin. After that product quality became a topic in LGB-related fora.
PIKO sells much cheaper at the expense of guess what?
Still, if handled cautiously, it can give satisfaction - but do not expect the motors and gears to take the same loads as LGB locos did.


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Helmut #1,
Thx. for the feedback. Would you say current quality of LGB and Piko is somewhat equivalent then (current production)?



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Yes, from what I extracted from the threads, it is converging (PIKO is going up a bit.. ) but personally, I would no longer dare to leave a current-production LGB loco out in the rain for hours ( as one can do with the 'original' LGB  )



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Gleichfals. Es ist lange her als ich Deutsch geleist hat (hopefully that is correct!).

From a durability vs. children viewpoint would you have an opinion that one would be better than the other?

Are LGB models of US equipment really 1:29?  I understood they all LGB is about 1:22.5?

I am hoping that I can keep everything about the same scale without necessarily needing to stick with one line of products from one manufacture (but being careful about it - I started a thread in large scale but have gotten no feedback yet).

That thread was from 2009 - I wonder if things are different now?  It is difficult to determine these things without spending (and potentially wasting) money.

Thx.

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In both ranges you find models well suited for handling by children.
It is not without reason that most of the equipment offfered for that gauge (45mm ) is called 'G' scale. G denotes the first letter of the German word for rubber, i.e. Gummi. In other words, don't expect all LGB equipment made to a specific scale throughout, PIKO, being SG shrinks, follws the same philosophy. It has to look 'right' in the eyes of the average buyer, who is not aware of one prototype being 30" NG, and the other one being SG - when brought together, they must harmonize to a certain degree.
LGB's SV mallet is 1:24, PIKO's 221 is 1:29, and the remainder is in-between.
Bachmann, on the other hand, has rather faithfully clung to 1:20, or 'F' scale. This is correct if you model American 3' equipment. I'm not mentioning the shrink of an SG loco they offered, too.



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ugh, well I guess I will just not try to pay much attention to that as along as things look good enough. I know it goes against the grain of most model railroaders, but I am not that concerned with a narrow gauge looking like it 'must' nor all proportions being exact (i.e. no rivet counter here).

I am more interested in the operational aspect and modeling that, as long as I can do so and enjoy it and it not be cumbersome. I guess I could even do that with Lego trains or Playmobil. :)

That said, I do want things to generally look and sound good to add to the enjoyment and I definitely want to focus on steam.

Do Piko and LGB look good next to each other, or (I bet this is the answer!) does it depend upon the particular models?

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I have been and am an advocate of "doing your own thing". If something I do goes against "the grain", then it could be that I am doing it right!
I'm sorry that I can't advise you on Piko VS LGB. I had LGB for years and ran it outside in the rose bushes. The only problem I ever had was cleaning track and wheels. If I had thought about it back then (early 70's) I would have installed radio control & batteries in my locos. Heck, I might have stayed with large scale...if I only knew.
Good luck with your decision, I do know that older LGB beat anything for durability and kid friendly.

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