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I am "starting over" for the umpteen time with another layout but this one is "it". Some may remember the old Mogollon Railway shown here on Freerails, what was supposed to be my "forever" layout. But things change and this time it will be for the way better. No longer unrestrained in the outdoors, this time I am using my living room to house the Gila Rim area of New Mexico. Maybe not as large as before but better because it will represent all the things I have learned from many years of playing with and building model railroads...narrow gauge in particular. Freelancing has been the cornerstone of my efforts for a long, long time but now I will try to replicate an obscure and almost forgotten railroad as best as I can. Yes, I am following a prototype this time; one that I have loved and cherished (??) for more than half my lifetime.

My Mogollon Railway operated what was really rolling stock from the Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon RR and after I dismantled the layout, this is what I had to work with. The "job" was half done to begin with, I just needed a layout to be able to run the locos and cars upon. Simple idea. Most everybody here would consider an indoor layout to be the way to go, why would someone build a "small scale", detail oriented operating railroad outside. At the time, I had no alternative. No space to build a layout inside, just a back yard  with all the problems Mother Nature could supply. The years of writing about my adventures are related here on Freerails and I won't bore everybody with the particulars here. So, here now is the story of how the Phoenix is rising in the comfort of a living room.

I will relate some history of the SC, PA, & M as this thread rolls on. But I thought some would like to see what I obsessed about and what I am doing about that obsession.




Here is the photo that fired me up as a teenager (just a coupe of years ago). This is "hairpin curve" on the SC, PA, &M with cabless Shay #4, some ore cars, and their wonderful little caboose.  I first saw this photo in Fredric Shaw's "Little Railways of the World" back about 1960 or so. It has appeared several times in several places-this one is part of an article Keith Pashina wrote for the NG&SLG (Gazette) and it is also shown in Duane Ericson's "Silver City Narrow Gauge" book (reviewed here on Freerails-the book thread). This photo is credited to Steve Westrum. Anyway, this is what got me all fired up...you just gotta love it!




And here is what I am starting the layout with-"hairpin curve". This view is simiar to the real one shown above. Built on blue 2" styrofoam with a 17" radius curve, there's a cut out shown where the small trestle will be. Of course I don't have the room to replicate the approaches to this but will do the best I can. This peninsula is 4 by 5 feet and the rest of the layout will be attached to the walls of the living room. The line will continue over the fireplace mantel, past the windows, on to some mines (also built from prototype photos). The living room will still be useable for lounging and watching TV (the back shown) which can be moved around to suit. There is another unusual practice (for me), the use of cork roadbed to support the handlaid track. When I have drawn a better track plan, I will post it so the track plan can be seen properly. Across from this peninsula is the Commanche smelter operation...to the right of this, with a 4 foot walkway between the pieces. This makes the living room very "intimate" and has the seal of approval by my train buddies and my sweetie Pam. What could be any better?!

Well, here it is. There will be plenty more to show.   

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You got permission to stick that in the living room  -  where did I go wrong ??


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Michael...I don't have any "live ins" and I own the house. Guess that makes the difference!!! LOL

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Now I'm officially jealous... Jose.

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Woodie I agree with everyone else. You are crossing over into territory many of us modelers have dreamed of-but dared not speak even with baited breath:

Bringing the layout into the living room.

You have set precedent. I will inform the wife that it is now normal to have a layout in the living room!

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Guys, I have been most fortunate in that my late wife alowed me to build a layout in the "spare" bedroom and my new "partner" thinks this is a great idea also. I am a lucky man indeed.




My partner with one of her hobbies...grandkids! 

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Back to work! I thought some might like to see what is under "hairpin curve".




The curve peninsula sits on top of this nice old display case which will show off the equipment that I can't (or won't) use on the SCPA&M. This case was shortened about 12" by cutting off it's legs...making it just the right height! Clean up still to be done but you get the general idea. The peninsula is strengthened with a 1" by 2" pine frame and is held up on the other end by a 2" by 2" cleat attached to the wall. Why of course, a level was used to make sure all this is right and it is strong enough to...hold up a railroad.
The facia is tempered Masonite and will be painted to match the display case/bookcases used as support.





Here's a view of the case itself. I installed LED lights and will re-do the shelves. The kitchen is to the left (more mess) and a lift out section will go across the doorway to more layout.

I am using a pair of great old timey bookcases with fold down glass to support the smelter right across the room, a 4 foot walkway separates it and the dispay case/peninsula. I couldn't have found anything better than these pieces of furniture. They are the right height and when the layout facia is painted, the layout will have a "finished" look. Just what I want for a living room.

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Woodrow , fellers..

Yay..I like the furniture../ layout supports..

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Hi Woodie

Looking good !

I like the model display case.


No doubt this will be revealed in due course...

...but thought I'd ask.

Your trackwork on the Moggy, had an amazingly...

...I was gonna say 'realistic' look to it...

...but that aint kinda what I mean.

In the photos, it just looked VERY 'right' !

Now you're 'strict proto.'...

...is the new track laying going to have a different 'look'...

...or was the Moggy's based on what you know of the Silver City track ?


It might seem like a strange thing to say...

...but on some layouts, I hardly even notice the track.

I'm guessing lumber was at a premium there...

...so they musta told the dudes to space the ties out a bit !


I'm sure it'll be great however/whatever you do.

Looks like with the major grade laying going on 'down South'...

...we wont have long to wait before a few rails are spiked !


All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

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Like to know your secret Woody we have two living rooms and I'm sent to the top shed miles from the house!!!!!!!!
Just not fair terribly jealous!

Dennis :bg:

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A really good start Woody, will be following this with interest.

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Si-the trackwork will be the "same", just more precise. The MRy was built for "scenery and details" which don't survive outside. Later, I decided to actually operate. This new line is "scenery, details, AND operation" and will be built with great trackwork. There are no track plans for the real thing so I do have a certain "modeler's license" about that. I am just building what I see in the photos from Duane's book, some things will have to be "imagineered" along the way.

As for using bookcases, etc. for support; my little (dining room" On20 Mogollon Railway-many years ago) was built over a desk, a funky bookcase, a typewriter table...at least this new one is built on top of nice antique pieces and will be finished to look like furniture in the living room, not a messy train layout! Maybe that's the key...build the thing to look like it belongs there! Onward...

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Great start, Woodie. I see you're not wasting any time getting the new layout going. Good for you!

I'll have to run by sometime and check it out. My treat on the fajitas for lunch.

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OK James. We are no longer tied to weather or birds! It will be good to see ya.

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Woodie:

Glad to hear of your new layout - I'm really looking forward to seeing your posts on your design and progress. The old Mogollon Railway was a fantastic layout, and I am sure the new one will exceed the old one!

Also, maybe with the new layout, we can see what a model of the "steel boxcar" on the Silver City line might have looked like!

Keith

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Keith, I wonder if the "steel" boxcar was similar to the "tin" boxcar used on the Carson & Colorado. Anyway, it sounds like a cool project down the line.

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Woodie:

Since no photo seems to exist of the mysterious steel boxcar, you can build the definitive model of it. Seriously, it would be fun to see a model of what such a car might have looked like. I am not familiar with the Carson & Colorado tin boxcar - does it resemble the "Powder Car" on the Colorado Central?

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Kieth , Woodrow ..fellers..
I believe he refers to the "Lamoth patent" metal cars..I say metal because the frames were pipe and the bodies tin...shipped in kit form from way back east somewheres.{ perhaps Tejas?...}..probably actually Philly or some other " back east."..The pipe frames were literally pipe and pipe fittings were used..they did not last long..not many fotos exist..one cars remains exist in Mina Or Luning Nevadar...a foto shewn in one of the late crop of SP this or that NG things..They are truly rare birds..

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Nice display case, Woodie.

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Woodie: I still have all of the research stuff that didn't go into the Silver City Narrow Gauge book, such as a few poor photographs and Sanborn maps of the smelter. Over the years I lived in Silver (locals call it Silver, not silver City-likewise, they use "PA" not Pinos Altos...) I walked the entire line, and have a good idea of the track layout if you have any questions about particular places-the maps in the book are a little rough...

Here is a sketch of the track layout of the smelter-or to be more accurate, the lower half of the smelter cause I lost the other half of the drawing. This view is looking north, the three lines on the left were the ATSF standard gauge line to Silver, I believe two of the three were dual gauge. I also suspect that at least one of the lines to the right of the roundhouse was dual gauge, it went to the power plant and coal where coal was delivered. The rest were 2' gauge. The turntable is just a guess-I don't have any good photographs of it, but Im more confident of the other lines, if not the scale.

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Thanks Duane for this and the "roundhouse" info. Amazingly, the track layout I came up with is pretty much what you have shown here. I wish that I could use the entire living room for the smelter but "common sense" dictates that I don't. The 2 foot tracks will be there and probably one SF track (so I can have a standard gauge car as "scenery"). The enginehouse will have to be 5 bays but will have the "lines" of the 7 stall one. The machine shop may get shortened a bit and have an open side (aisle side) to show off all the cool machinery I have collected and not gotten to use. That dual gauge line to the power plant may be what has thrown me in the photo of #2 at the machine shop and tracks going past it. I could never figure out where the "extra" rail came from...now I got an idea.
Again, thanks for the great info. I just want this to be as "right" as I can get it.

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Here's a photo of the smelter area...with a 4 foot aisle between it and the hairpin curve peninsua. This is 8 feet by 4 feet and will be the "end of the line"...just like the real SCPA&M.




Please excuse the mess, I am probably the only modeler to create a mess while building a layout (yeah, right!). The antique bookcases contain about half of my "research material" which is probably about 97% narrow gauge. Again, I need to straighten up the books, etc. but will do that in a while.  The doorway to the right is my bedroom...a mess most of the time, on the left is a nice finished bedroom which gets occupied by an overnight "guest" who says that I snore (she hasn't heard herself!). A lift out section will go across my doorway and more layout will run behind where I am standing with the camera.

The drawing that Duane supplied of the smelter (previous post) shows the track plan, the standard gauge will be minimized but there will be a section of dual gauge, could it be one of the only 24"/56 1/2" pieces of dual gauge in the US? You Main 2 foot nuts can let me know. So far, so good...I hope!

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Very sweet! Good to see that you're moving along at such a fast clip. I wouldn't expect any less from you. Now I will say that you couldn't be doing this outside today as the wind would have blown you inside pretty quickly.

As to dual gauge two-footers, the Bridgton & Saco River did have a stretch of track in the Hiram yard that ran by the coal shed so standard gauge coal cars could service the shed and the narrow gauge engines could fill their bunkers.

I seem to remember there may have been at least one other Maine two-foot railroad that had a bit of dual gauge but since so many of my books are gone I can't look it up. I'll see if I can't find a reference in the books I have left.

Back at you later.

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Boy, I'd love to have a layout in the living room! Wait, no, the cats would destroy it. Fat cats and HOn30 don't mix well!

Lookin good!

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Well an update of sorts...I've been working on a couple of On30 modules for an upcoming show so the SCPAM is just waiting at the moment. However track will soon be laid on hairpin curve along with scenery. Thanks to Duane the enginehouse is going to be the first structure built for the line. Photos as it progresses.
BTW-that On30 track wiring for DCC has made me realize what a great choice I made to go wireless all those years ago.

Why use cork roadbed on foam...spikes and handlaid track don't last as long as I would like in just the foam. Experience is the best teacher.

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What fun am I having! Some smelter trackage has been laid and it has been a real.....well..you know. First, a photo of the real thing.




From Duane Ericson's book SILVER CITY NARROW GAUGE, here's a bit of dual gauge at the SC (Commanche) smelter. The standard gauge is AT&SF and runs in the middle of this photo. On the right, behind #2, is the machine shop and on the left is the foundary track with a narrow gauge coal car spotted there. Many times I have wondered what the extra rail was for (middle of photo) with a guard rail. Duane informed me that there "may have been" a dual guage siding to the power plant (behind the machine shop) and then this "extra rail" made sense. Dual gauge 24" and 56 1/2". How cool! Then, I knew that I had to model it...




OK, it's rough as an outhouse corn cob but it works...and that's all that matters. I don't have the room (nor inclination) to build a bunch of dual gauge trackage but since I swore (still swearing) to build as close as possible to the prototype, it just had to be done. The SC narrow gauge is laid with code 83 (small rail on the left, and the AT&SF has relatively small code 125 for this siding. Going from 83 to 125 wasn't the problem...the problem was that the larger rail takes some WORK to bend and grind (frogs, etc) and let me assure you, it liked to have ate my lunch!!! #5 is sitting on the siding to the machine shop (future) and the dual gauge runs to the power plant/coal dump where it is assumed (an ass of you and me?) that the SC's tiny Shays could be fueled. The narrow gauge begins the dual gauge on the left, and this will be the extent of such trackage.

Aside much track to be laid, buildings to be built, wiring to be...no, there's no wiring thank goodness!, I still need to build a 1:35 scale standard gauge open gondola with AT&SF markings. Holy cow, will it never end? I hope not.

I will try to answer any questions about this, I wrote at the outset that this thread would show warts & all!

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Woody , fellers..

You go..good job..doing is the hardest bit..getting going is hard..seems like once a brother gets going...it is fun..and that carries itself..thanks for sharing..

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:mex: " We don't need no stinkin' wiring "

:Salute: " Dual gauge, YESSIR ! "

:moose: " MHAAHOOOOHAHAAA "

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I don't know what Si is on ...........but I think I want some!!
Nice work Woodie

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A quick update...the "squiggly" trackage in the photo has been fixed and now looks to be "in tune". Thank goodness there is no more dual gauge to build, now I am having fun with "regular" tracklaying. One note however, the real SCPA&M seemed to use "high level" switchstands but there are none available for my scale...therefore, Caboose Hobbies groundthrows will be used since they work well and I have a couple of dozen (investment?). If I get really anal, I may make such a stand, mold it and cast a bunch...and then run "knob & rod" hookups to the switches. Oh well, at least I'm having fun...indoors, in the warm.

Dennis-Si & Charley are alike...you have to read between the lines, er..tracks..

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Woodrow fellers..

Thanks fer fillin them in..it is a feeling..a read it quick feel it..I like the way words look..and use them with that in mind..and if they do not look good..wul..I make some up.... w/o all that pesky pun ctuations and grammararatical err..

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Two-foot and standard, dual gauge track = Awesome!!

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Ray , Woodrow , fellers..
I just re read , or , read in detail ,the Rlys of AZ ..Myrick..Volume XXX..?..there was some such three rails track in Clifton...looks really odd..a feller wonders which tracks the trains run on..and 'edzacery whot gauges..dang it man..

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Charley...in Clifton there was dual gauge...20" and 36". But also there was standard gauge running (still does). In Jerome, AZ, I drove across a section of track that had 4 rails! Couldn't stop to figger it out but was told that there was 3 gauges there at one time. What fun that must have been.

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Woodrow fellers..

I do sorta fuzzy history .I don't say it was just so very often ..I kinda hedge my bets with..I think ...it was..which allows others to chime in..the smart guys whot got "A" 's in school..some stuff I remember pretty well..others ...not so much..it seems to be the stuff I am interested in..Some girls I remember very well..others ..not so much..kind of a joke..I guess..I try those too.with varying degrees of success..girls and joke.s.bwooohahahaha

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Hi Woodie

Nice to see you making progress and lots pretty sweet to...

I've notice that a lot of the point or switches on backwoods railroads that the switch rail moves at the rear and not the front. How do you get this to line up?

Cheers Dan

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Now, here are more rough & ready photos of track construction at the SC smelter




Whatta mess, but it all works! Far right is the dual gauge with AT&SF,  center track is the SCPA&M main line, at left is the passing siding and access to the turntable and foundary (in the distance). All curves are at least 18" radius and all switches (turnouts) are stub-type.




Here is how the stub switches are thrown. I use Caboose Hobbies sprung HO groundthrows to "throw the iron". The bridles, which hold the moving rails together, are made of code 83 rail notched out for correct gauge. They are soldered to the moving rails and then attached (small hole drilled in the bridle) with .020 wire to the throws. The groundthrows have the proper amount of throw if I gauge things right and do a little "fiddling" when mounting them to pieces of ties. Yes, there are gaps but they don't interfere with operation and that's what counts. How to wire a stub switch? It can be done with DPDTs and some more fiddling but my layout has none of that!




A turntable? But not to turn locos! The SCPA&M had a 7 stall enginehouse but I only have room for 5 stalls...compromises get made sometimes. See where the caboose, ore cars, & #1 are sitting...that's where the enginehouse will be.  The tracks into the house will be arranged in the same way the real line was laid out.  There was so little room available at the real site, a turntable had to be used to get the locos into the shelter, otherwise a maze of space-eating switches would have to be laid. This is a pretty neat solution to a real problem! The turntable is still in the "to do" list. It is made of a block of pine with a nail for the center pivot and pit rail wheels made up and attached. I intend to make .020 styrene overlays for the sides with rivet detail and whatever else I can imagine. There were no photos of the turntable so I have "modelers' license" for this one. But it looks plausable and just has to turn Shays to get into the warm house. The pit rail was just laid on cut off ties, I used a jig to get the right curvature and the little wheels just roll on top if it. Don't look at the pieces of snap track on the left...please don't!
I'm sure there will be questions about some of this-to answer Dan's question about getting rails to line up...I just have to fiddle and work with the throws to get things right. It's hard for me to explain this, I have been making track for so long that it has become almost like breathing...that's a hard thing to explain!

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It all looks very cozy. Amazing what some of the narrow gauge lines did to make everything fit. There was seldom any wasted track. If it wasn't needed, it wasn't used.

Thanks for the update.

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Woodie:

I really like the appearance of your track work. Great seeing your progress. Thanks for posting the photos.

Keith

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" I intend to make .020 styrene overlays for the sides with rivet detail "

to the Herb 'O' Rivet TM boy-wonder !

Looking great Big W. !

Nice construction pix.

Cheers.

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Woodie-I briefly looked for my "Silver City" files, and it appears that they are stashed at the very back of the attic. It may be a while before I can find them...


The other thing I was thinking of, and I know you are not there yet, is the ground cover at the smelter grounds. At the real smelter grounds pretty much everything was built on a mound of slag from the earlier smelters that existed prior to the SC, PA & m railroad. This includes crushed slag for ballast, and poured, molten slag dumped into the "Rio" San Vicente, even "finished" slag for the floors of the shops and other buildings. They liked their slag!
While I find slag very interesting-In my case it did not model well(again, in my attempt), as everything just looked like mounds of black with no contrast. this was especially a problem on an indoor layout without the bright light and shadows to help the eye interpret what I was trying to achieve.
Just a thought, the trackwork is looking good!


here is the corner of the roundhouse foundation with the ubiquitous slag, can't remember if I posted this one before...

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Here is a mock up of my attempt. Got discouraged. Moved on without getting far...

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That looks like a pretty stinkin' good layout !

Si.

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Yep, if my model of that scene looks half as good, I'll be a very happy man. Nice work, Duane. I wish I could devote space for 2 extra stalls for the enginehouse I planned, but sometimes the rule of "selective compression" must be observed. I still have to wrassle with the smelter "representation" but hope to make it work out OK.
And yes...I am considering some "slag options" for the smelter foundations, etc. I don't like too dark looks and will be experimenting with colorations....yep, that's what I'll do...one of these days. But then again, the place was a dirty, sooty affair and needs to be modeled that way.

The beat goes on & on...

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Looks pretty good to me, Duane! I like the dark, slag ground -- it's different, and it fits the setting.

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I have to agree with Ray, Duane. Whether slag, or the more common cinders, a black monotone would seem appropriate to me.

Was there enough residual iron in the slag (and enough rain)  for the slag to take on a brownish tinge? None apparent in the corner of the roundhouse photo. A light brown wash might remove some of the ''sameness'', and give a little definition..


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Yes, imagine weathering the "weathering"... I have a good way to go before I get to all the slag. Structures, etc. are starting to lure me in their direction. I guess that's what makes it all fun

Herb, I believe there was iron in the slag..great eyes, sir
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Thanks-Woodies modeling of the smelter has sparked my interest in modeling again. May just have to get off my arse and build something myself!

Also, I have a small jar of slag from the smelter if you would like it. The color is interesting as it appears black at first, but is somewhat iridescent when the light is right. Some of it is lighter colored, with some oxidized streaking.

This newspaper photo shows the smelter circa 1906, with the Santa Fe line seen just above the buildings. The foreground buildings under construction are the boiler/power plant. Prior to the Comanche mining co smelter, a series of 4-5 smelters, including one owned by George Hearst successfully extracted first silver ores, then switching to a mixture of copper/silver and gold by the time Comanche operated it. Tailings and slag from the smelters and mills filled in the natural desert wetland (called a cianaga) along the creek, this process continued until the Comanche smelter shut down in the fall of 1907.


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Very very sorry to hear you could not save the Mogollon Woodster.

Having said that, I AM looking forward to see where your twisted mind goes with this new project!  :brill:  :thumb:

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Woodie-here are a few more pics of the slag pile circa 2006: The first pic is the slag pile that was directly behind the engine house. It is about 30 feet tall, and was much larger back when the Comanche operated. The current owner still operates a small mill/smelter there and crushes the slag and runs it through his furnace and says he gets good values of gold out of it.



I believe this is the floor of the machine shop, as you can see they just dumped the slag out and worked it like wet concrete.

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Thanks Duane, I figured that the landform was slag. Man, that was some operation, the smelter worked not only the SC ore but even more brought in by the AT&SF. I really appreciate the advice on this project. Hope I can build a decent representation of this place, it is history and deserves to be explored.

PS-I will take that jar of slag, let me know how much it costs to send slag through the USPS!!! LOL

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Let me run a sample through the assay shop first!

Seriously, just PM me your address again and ill send it. its not enough to cover your smelter area, but enough to see what kind of texture/color it has.

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Thanks Duane...will PM you in a bit. The nice reddish-brown earth out there in Silver will be next on the list of scenic speculation.

Here is an unfinished version of what fascinated me so very long ago.  In post #1, the old, faded photo of #4 hauling ore cars up "hairpin curve" with the beautiful little caboose in tow was my "fantasy" ...but maybe now I am getting close.




No scenery yet but operation has begun. My take on the old photo...tiny #1 (ex Gilpin Tram #1) and a "mixed" train is shown in an approximate view of the old photo. Now that I have this up & runnin'...I will do the "topography", flora & maybe some fauna.



This is IT!!!

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Hey NICE !

Yet another cab transformation for ex Moggy Shay.

(I've been following them)

That pic. def. has the horse-shoe look.

GOOD LUCK !

Cheers.

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Yep-that looks like the horseshoe loop!

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I really enjoy watching your progress on your your new project but I still miss the adventures on the Mogollon Woodie. Keep sending out the updates man.

Brad

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Thanks guys...I'm trying to get this one right, as right as I can get it! Si mentioned the Shay, I rebuilt her a while back to "replicate" Gilpin Tram #1 which went on to Silver City as their #1 also. Now I am faced with more work if I want to convert Mogollon #5 since she's a 2 cylinder engine and needs to be 3 cylinder! Maybe I'll just live with that "inaccuracy" and have fun with what I have. As it is, I will need to change the locos back to coal burners...the MRy used oil. Pick, pick, pick...now I need to find a use for the old tank car.

Brad, there will be plenty of updates and maybe some "historical" info also.

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Love the look of the hair pin curve Woodie. Might have to extend my layout into the other half of the garage now. lol

Keep up the good work.

Cheers Dan

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Woodrowe , fellers..

I have a bit of slag in the front garden..been hauling around in the moves..it now resides..in place..I think a pitcher is in order..slag grey black..with rusty...It soaks up water , the stuff runs right through it..amazing..all that said..I got it at Mcgill..{sp?}..the mill / furnace/ roaster ?..Near Ely nevadar..SMELTER..yeah that is it..I'll try to remember to take and post a pitcher..once the cookies wear off..everything is new..everyday..

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Woodie:

Did the Silver City Smelter use sand for molding ingots?  I ask because the Quincy Mining Company smelter (owner of Quincy & Torch Lake narrow gauge in upper Michigan) apparently used sand for molds, and it was laying about their copper smelter.


Quincy smelter molding sand laying on the ground.  Those are standard gauge loading tracks in the foreground

Also, others have pointed out the various colors of smelter slag.  I picked up pieces from around this smelter, and they looked like black glass up close, but from a little distance, there were brown and reddish colors mixed.  I wonder if this is common for copper ore slag?

Brownish/reddish variations in Quincy Mining Co. smelter

I am really enjoying seeing your SC, PA, & M Ry thread, and eagerly look forward to the posts from you and others!  Thanks for sharing.

Keith

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Keith-I believe the Comanche coated the slag pots with lime before dumping the molten slag into them. The Comanche used two types of slag pots; a small, two wheeled hand cart slag pot and the narrow gauge, side dump slag pots built on eight wheel cars.

Now if Woodie could figure out a way to recreate the dumping of molten slag, he would certainly be a shoe-in for the coveted Master Model Railroader certification.

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elminero67 wrote: Now if Woodie could figure out a way to recreate the dumping of molten slag, he would certainly be a shoe-in for the coveted Master Model Railroader certification.
Yes and we all know how much he covets THAT! (_!_) lmao

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I think Woodie should go for it… I mean, what could go wrong with molten slag on an indoor layout built mostly of wood and styrofoam?

Duane, are there any drawings or photos of the SC, PA, and MRy 8-wheeled slag cars? I know there is one photo you published that shows a shay and this car. Always thought that would be a fascinating model. I enjoy reading what standard gauge modelers are doing with steel mill modeling, and slag cars and modeling slag loads is an interesting subject.

Keith

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Elminero Kieth Dave , fellers.

You guys are too funny...slag..faom wood..moo hahahaha makes pretty patterns..right before the fire brigade is called..

AND..Woodrowe has the "peoples" MMR...which is common recognition that he does some inspired / inspiring artistry in railroad models ...how cool is that..I asks ya..?..:bow::rah:

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Woodie has the Monkey Model Railroader certification; much more prestigious than the other commoner cert.

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Duane is right (of course), the lime was added to be able to get the "skulls" (hardened slag) from the dump cars. Duame had an enlarged photo of what looks like #1 and some slag cars at the smelter in his article "A Day at the Smelter" in the old Light Iron Digest. I might try to build a couple of them...after I build the "metal" boxcar...after some other stuff gets built.
I am probably gonna go with a 20 foot high slag "hill" behind the enginehouse since 30 feet in my scale is almost a real foot high! But on the "plus" side, I will build the enginehouse with 7 stalls (prototype) VS the 5 stalls I first imagineered. Yen & yang...

Now, what's all this about Monkey Model Railroaders?

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Beaudreau fellers..

Yes..the very important milestone in modelling lives we all strive for..

A pitcher of slag as promised..

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Yet more..

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yer third ..slag fotos ..a new arter form..

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I guess that I'll just "slag along"!! It happens that the foundations for the Comanche-Silver City smelter were slag, worked "like concrete" so it will be in my model. Now, where do I get scale slag?  Hmmm...

While I ruminate this vexing question and relax from a day at Pam's house, I will post photos of a "new and improved" turntable. Well, it ain't really new but it looks like what I want.







Instead of the pine block turntable with rivet overlays and more work, I remembered this little TT from the old Mogollon Railway. This came from the end of the line at the cliff dwellings, used by the Gila Tramway to turn their little 4-4-0. It needed about a scale 2 feet whacked off the length and pit wheels (what do you call them?) installed. The wood ties and upper deck shows about 5 years of actual Mother Nature weathering and I like the looks. I hadn't intended to use any of the old layout on this new one, but I just couldn't resist. After all, there are NO photos of the real TT so I used an "edumicated" guess and here it is. This thing rotates better and lines up better than that damn pine block did anyway...so there.

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Beaudreau , fellers..

I thunk..that sure looks like the real thing..this is the character of "models of note.."...

Not many modellers seem to get that "look" ..big on quotation marks this eve..I get paid by the number and artistical use of them fer sure..

As in..it ain't whot ya say..it is about whot it looks like..

Lyrical wax..for yer surfboards...

The thing is..these models of yours..whot the peoples..yer fans fer gowds own sake..key on..this stuff..could be the real deal..writ small ..I enjoy seeing the stuff...

Good job..carry on....tut tut..pip pip...etc etc..Si will translate from the original english...

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:doh:



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:moose::moose::moose::moose::old dude: on the turntable

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I hope the new pit-wheels can take 4 mooses & an ol' dude on the turntable !

Si.

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ChasSifellers..

I think the mooses are like the hotel rating system..?..like four mooses is good..but not quite as good as five moosii could be..valet service red carpet ...and whot have you..chocolate mouse'..chocolate moose..?..moo hahahah get it..that is some funny stuff right there..

Perhaps you mighta hadda been there..?..

A rainy night in Beatty..I beleive it is raining all over the world..

Mid night train to Beatty..?..

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Anyway...

...The turntable looks great Woodie.

All that 'genuine' pre-weathering is hard to fake !

I'm just a bit disapointed it's wooden...

...as had hoped we'd get a look at the legendary...

...Herb 'O' Rivet (TM)...

...IN ACTION !

I'm sure the new Silver City N.G will need lot's of rivets in the future though.

Cheers.

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Slag photos… first up, the Illinois Mill in Nevada:






The smelter at Bonnie Claire, NV:





Close up shot, with slag next to concrete footing for comparison:




These smelters processed mainly gold and silver ore. But I've seen the slag piles from the copper mill at McGill, near Ely, NV and it looked the same.

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:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose::moose::old dude: when complete

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Thanks Charles...I'm trying!!

Ray-thanks for the photos. I don't believe the slag piles will be as "dark" as I first thought. Of course, there won't be slag everywhere, just at the smelter. As one writer (I believe Fredric Shaw) said about the SCPA&M, it "ran along the roof of the continent". Therefore, I can be content with "hillsides" being modeled...of course the hillsides are 8,000 to 9,000 feet high!
I noted that in one photo, there were "skulls" which were solidified slag that retained the form of the slag pots. I gotta have them also.

My friend Pam looked mystified when she asked me what I wanted for Christmas. I told her that I wanted 99 feet of code 83 rail and some packs of spikes. She's still wondering about that!

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Beaudreau, fellers..

I had to order spikes for the bullfrog layout project..had some..once started it bacame apparent I didn't have enough...I have some rails..enough for the bullfrog..but not for the halfinch empire projected..not enough for a railway of any sort..

I think that code 100 is gonna be for me..00.41 { thous..?}..is a scale inch in half "...to the foot....someday..I swear I am gonna..that makes code 100 pretty dang close to 2.5 scale inches tall..very much like #16 rails..which i think are 2.5/8ths..tall..

Pretty neat after all these years to be able to have "Scale" rails ...and battery powa lets them be rusty as ya please..Woody..in halfinche I can use batteries..yay..batteries..

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Woodie: Before I send you the slag sample I wanted to run it through our assay shop:
It has very high values of zinc (23%), lead (something like 15%), 6% copper, a trace of silver and no detectable values of gold.
Of note is the zinc and lead, as they made it difficult to seperate the gold and silver. Some custom smelters wouldn't take ore with that much zinc, others would charge a penalty.
I suspect this is one of the reasons the Comanche and Silver City narrow gauge failed after a couple of years...

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Elminero, fellers..

Wul , this is intersting stuff.I know of mining and milling in some peripheral book learning way..but I don't quite understand the comment about the commanche {smelter?}..and the Silver city NG railway..both I suspect intertwined in the having of business..and the making enough to stay in business..,Please..enlighten us..oh great mining historian..I am { unusually} not being flippant..thanks..and or..should I re - read your book...?..

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No worries Charley, I kind of use the terms interchangeably as the Comanche Mining company owned the Silver City, Pinos Altos and Mogollon RR. For all practical purposes they are one and the same.

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Charley-yes...re read Duane's book! My copy is getting a real workout and there are several guys here in Dallas who have his book...and I can use theirs when I wear my book out.

More craziness coming...watch this space...

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:Crazy:

:old dude: " I want a refund, he hasn't used the Herb 'O' Rivet (TM) "

[whack] " Where can I get 99 foot long wrapping paper ? "

:P Si.

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Woodie

I knew I would wear out Duane's Silver City book, so I have the one copy that is getting dog-eared, and the other "nice" copy. So glad to see your thread on modeling this interesting railroad.

Looking forward to see how you choose to model slag (apparently the molten slag idea has been dropped by now?) on the smelter scene.

Keith

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Pssssssssssssst ..Woody..Kieth has a mint copy of the bible..

Kieth..be on watch for black helocopters with thin boxes for hauling loot attached to skids..

I guess the "bible " will be on the table next to chair ..I keep a paper back and several current reads on railways..the chair faces a corner of bookshelves..

My faves put out..by catagory in the shelf direct in front..so i can sit and smile..pondering whot I should read next..traction , trolley..welsh / english NG..world NG...std gauge good stuff..

I have quite a few books..i love books..I built a low pro "bible" stand for my dinner table.I am reading my way through books thick and thin..four to ten pages at a time..hey dinners over..get up..step away from the boofait table..

AND..of course..you ' all know whot boofait stands for ..Buffet..Big Ugly Fat F........rs Eating Together..

Truckers got too much time to think..road scholars..travellers emeritus..I did not make that up..I met him in Albuquerque...really , I did..

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Besides the few newspaper accounts and one or two mentions in historical society newsletters, the SCPA&M is described in several books that I have(most a mention or maybe a paragraph)...Gilpin Era, Gilpin Tram, Hollenbeck's Gilpin RR, Little Railways of the World, Myrick's New Mexico RR's, and of course Duane's book. I know I am forgetting something. In the Gazette, Keith Pashina had an article and plans for rolling stock, Gazette also had Garrie Tufford's caboose plans and Light Iron Digest had Mr. Tufford's Pinos Altos Creek trestle plans and in the LID, Duane wrote about the smelter as it is today. Info is out there, I feel that I probably have at least most of the material I need for a credible representation of this most obscure little 2 footer. If I think about anything else...I know what to do.

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Woodrowe Elminerio fellers..

I got the book down..looked for awhile..then logically..it was there with the Gilpin books..duh..just where the file card said it was...:old dude: or .er just where the cute little chick with the half glasses said it would be..and her with the hair in a tight little bun..ah..er .bun..uuum..ah er....:glad:

Aren't you worried about "your time being up".. ..you only have seven years..?..or so...of railway line..history..man..you gotta move fast..?..

Maybe you could do the extensiuon line..the line that never was.."but coulda been "..huh..:us:

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Woody,
Crittenden wrote a volume for "The Railway And Locomotive Historical Society". It is Number 57 and is titled "The Two Footers". It was printed in Jan 1942. The final chapter of it is on the SCPA&M. I found my copy through a diligent search on the Internet. I was aware of it because the Linda Hall Library here in Kansas City has a copy in their stacks which I read in the late 70s. The copy I have has John Maxwell's signature on the title page. The volume appears to be a predecessor to Linwood Moody's book on the Two Footers. I didn't know whether or not you were aware of its existence. The section on the Silver City line is only about three and half pages total.

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Kent, thanks for the info. Yep, a few paragraphs here and there are about all there is on the SCPA&M...except for Duane Ericson's book. Speaking of Mr. Ericson, here is a view of the track layout at the SC enginehouse, part of a larger drawing showing the smelter yard trackage. This was beautifully drawn by Duane.




Now, here is what I "interpreted" (or perhaps perverted) for my verson of the enginehouse.




Man, getting those tracks lined up and working without derailments was a "deal" ! As can be seen, the approaches have been shortened somewhat (less space than the real thing had) but all is OK.  In the drawing, the turntable is accessed from across the enginehouse but space availability dictated (wow, what verbage!) that the access be from the side. The ore cars in the foreground are on a small 2 track yard at the very edge of the layout. Two AT&SF standard gauge tracks to the smelter are on the left and a length of dual gauge trackage to the power plant is barely seen in the upper right. The enginehouse is now a 7 stall job (real one was), I began with just 5 tracks but wanted to model this as best as I could. The turntable is operated manually with a large "disc" made of masonite attached to the TT pivot below the layout. Just turn the disc a bit and the TT moves and lines up just right with the tracks. If anybody is interested in this, I will take a couple of photos which may explain things

As seen in Duane's drawing and old photos, there was a large "mesa" of slag behind the enginehouse, this will be represented by the hunks of blue foam behind the model. Surely you didn't think I'd have this all finished...did you.

...And just don't call me Shirley...

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Hi Woodie

Looking good and great progress.

Cheers Dan

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looking good! I still haven't sent you the slag; I seem to have put it in a 'special' place...

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Hello Shirley,

Coming on nicely then ?

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A bit of an update...I have had the flu or whatever it is and being an old fart, taking time to "recover". The layout is progressing somewhat...I am building the enginehouse and laboriously painting the rails. Seems that the LHS doesn't stock "weathered" ME code 83 rail any more...their answer is that "they don't make that any more!". Anything they don't have is "not made any more". There's some more but I will need to get a new computer to continue...I am using Pam's computer at the moment. Happy fri$%^&* New Year!
Well anyway, things will get better, at least I don't have to wait till nice weather to work on the layout.

As Garrison sez-"that's the news from Lake Woebegone."

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Hope you are recovering there is some crud going around here that takes forever to get rid of at least you have a lhs to harrass

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Bro wooo'drough. fellers..

Oooh eeeee...take care..people dyin of that stuff..dang it man..you must be on some up slope to speak out..glad to hear it..we await yer modelling license with baited breath.I actually started some wee railway stuff...yay..I am enthusiastic about it..I hope to sense you being enthusiastic about it..it is infectious ..BUT..not in a scary bad influenza kind of a way..:dope::old dude:

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Get well soon, Woodie!

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Hope you get well and back on track soon.

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Woozdreau, fellers..

I seen here in the dinner table bible stand reading book.Railroads of Arizona vol . one..something relating to how Elminerio gets his infos..this direct from Colonel W.C. Greene..See the connection here.A railway tycoon from away , away back..the un dead even..he 's gotta be like three hundred years old......A good thing I am studying these arcane tomes of dry dessicated desert reading..yessir..

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Geez-

I knew Woodrow was old, but---


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OK, OK...I know about Col. Greene, there's a book about him-"Sonora Narrow Gauge" by our friend Duane Ericson. Great work!
I am "back" after a somewhat longer than thought sabbatacal (vacation?) (I kant spull). The layout has gotten some more stuff and operations around the smelter are being done. The smelter is still a long ways off but the enginehouse is about done (photos in a bit) & scenery (dirt) is being thrown around.It's back to work in Silver, Mogollon rest in peace(s).....

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Beaudreau, fellers..

Dang good to see ya / hear ya / read ya back..did they let you out..or did you just yank the tubes and haul ass..?..

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Charley...it weren't that bad but I can still haul ass!

OK then, as promised...some photos of the enginehouse.







B&W photos since color digital photos were not around in 1907. Work is going on, interior and exterior details are yet to come, the 7 smokestacks are needed, and mo' better dirt & rocks. The turntable will become an old iron one when I get around to "it". The structure is 1/16 plywood covered with Plastruct brick sheets. Here's the funny thing...there isn't any "1:35" scale brick sheet so I thought that maybe 1:48 would work...WRONG! I had some 1:35 scale bricks from Verlinden and when compared to "1:24" brick sheet, I found that they were the SAME SIZE! What the #$%^& ? So here 'tis. Mucho work to be done and of course the smelter is still a "vision" but the smelter yards and SCPA&M trackage is in place and operating. I finished all the track wir...nope-no track wiring!  More when available.

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:moose::moose::moose::moose: for pictures:rah::rah::rah: for the recovery:rah::rah::rah:just because

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Beaudreau , Chas , fellers..

You got four moosii , six rah rah chicks..dammit..man..

Nice fotos..glad yer at it..we count on you for inspiratipon..no pressure here...:w:

AND...I think the smelter should be a wall hugging thing..whot they call em....background..it is all about impressionism...like that painter dude..with the ear..in his hand..:doh:

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Yep, the smelter will HAVE to be a bit of "flats" and painting/drawing/scribbling on the wall. After all, this is as much as I can get within the confines of a "living room". But with all the crap, both Pam and Barbara (her sis) think it's all wonnerful! Beats hanging out at bars and bordellos...something my younger self knows a lot about.

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Woodie:

The engine house model looks very, very good. Glad you're feeling better, too.

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chasv wrote:
:moose::moose::moose::moose: for pictures:rah::rah::rah: for the recovery:rah::rah::rah:just because

Charles does have the way with words, lol. Impressive Woody great effect with bw
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Glad you're feeling gooder Woodie

That flu stuff seems to leave a lingering feeling of the ''blahs'', sometimes hard to shake.

But yer back in action- You have no idea how many missed ya!

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LOADS OF POM POMS !

Them ol' B&Ws looks like Pops R.R. albums fer suuure !

Careful swiging down the 'health tincture' near an open firebox...

...it can be EXPLOSIVE !

Lookin' great.

Cheers.

Si.

P.S. That Col.W.C.Greene is a charlatan !

Everybody knows copper aint magnetic !

(stick that under yer Kadees & smoke it !)

Copper-magnet my %$&

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Glad to have you back Woodie, I was starting to get worried! Nice progress on the layout.

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Si,

I hate to bust your bubble, but as an electrical engineer I can't let that statement stand absolutely. If there is electricity flowing in the copper wire, it is called an electromagnet.

Electricity and magnetism are bound to one another in our current understanding of physics. A magnet moving around a coil of wire will generate electricity. Electrical flow in the coil will generate a magnetic field.

Kadee DOES make an electromagnetic uncoupling ramp FYI.

Sorry,

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Hi Ken.

No need for sorrow...

...my bubble burst years ago !

But speaking as an electrical engineer, I can't let that statement stand.

Copper aint magnetic !

In our current understanding of physics; that is absolute.

Sorry.

Si.

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Kent , SI , Beaudreau , fellers..

As a "pre" Ordained wordmangler..imaginater..I cannot let the Cosmic philosophical un truth of a copper magnate as other than A private car ridin railroad builder..stand...probably smokin See-gars is a requirement to magnetize any undertaking..such as glory holier than thoudiggin ..Open pits of fire and brimstone..creatin...hell bent for leather rough ridin camp followers..etc etc..but i digress..I day dreamed right through school..buy a kid books , send em to school , whot do they do..?..

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Uncoupling magnets...I have wondered about how to go "automatic" with link n' pin couplers but good old tweezers and a steady hand and a couple of Shiner Bock beers makes it all work. Goodness, if I figgered it out then I might have to make the switches motorized and that might lead to wiring the rails and that may lead to my needing to learn even worse cuss words than I use already!
The fun continues...

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Si and Woody,

Si: Yes, copper is not magnetic. I agree.

Woody: Have you considered using a solenoid mounted under the track to actuate a lever which would push up a rod which in turn would push the pin up thus releasing the link from the pin? Since this is an outdoor layout, you could hide it all by burrowing a hole and using the same types of conduit and such that are used for automatic sprinklers and those cute little sidewalk lights. ;>) ala Rube Goldberg

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Kent , Beaudreau , fellers...

There was even a railway...the frankin and Magantic..I know..and apologise for being pedantic...It is , however , hard for me, sometimes this internet stuff , makes me ...wait for it...Frantic..moo ahahahahahah

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Carve their name on the desk ?

Si.

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Ken...good idea about the l&p undertable uncoupler...but I would need them all over the place...possibly hundreds of them...since we couple & uncouple wherever we can or want. But still...When the layout was outside, the local mothers would round up their children whenever they saw my ops buddies show up since they were afraid the kiddies would become influenced by the cussing and hollering which was a part of the sessions...all due to pulling pins and setting links!
The new layout is indoors and hopefully nobody can hear @#$%^ when we haul ore to the smelter!

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Beaudreau, fellers..

Whot pray are the girls gonna smelt , down at the smelter anyways...

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W C Greene wrote:
..... but good old tweezers and a steady hand and a couple of Shiner Bock beers makes it all work. .....

The fun continues...


Are the Shiner Brock Beers a necessary precondition for the steady hands these days?




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Yes they are!! They help to dull the pain when the ore cars slam against your hands...a fellow would get hurt.

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WHAT THE H$%^ IS THIS?  You may ask... Here's my attempt at making a "30 foot high slag heap" which was right behind the SC engine house. Thanks to Duane & Charley, & Ray's photos, I may have come up with something that looks OK, or maybe not.

You can't tell much from the old photos (elsewhere in this thread) and for the longest time I thought it was a mesa or some other type of natural feature...but that's what I get for thinking.




Here 'tis in b&w, the way it will be shown from now on.




And here's what it looks like in color. The slag pile is 3 pieces of blue 2" foam glued together and then covered with expanding foam from a spray can. After that dried, I worked it over somewhat with a large knife and sprayed it with Rust-O-Leum "camo dark brown", flat black, and gray primer dusting. Before that, I glued on some real dirt for more texture. From the photos, this pretty much looks like what I see. Yep, I wish the thing was a nice piece of nature but it wasn't. Apparently the foundations of the smelter buildings were made from slag, poured out and worked like concrete (Duane says) so anything further will be built upon this stuff.

When this dries, I will put it on the layout and see what happens.

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OK now, here it is on the layout. Just blue foam underneath, dirt, etc. to be done in a while. Now, I WANT opinions about this. I don't know if the effort will "pass muster" so let me know. I won't be offended by critical views, I want this to look like a large slag pile.




The enginehouse isn't stuck down yet either, lots more to be done. My buddy Dave found more Grandt #3512 smokestacks for this, they look very much like the "real things".  #5 is moving a couple of ore cars to the foundary (to be built).

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:moose::moose::moose: looks like a slag heap to me

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Woodie, that looks like the dumps outside the Salt Lake copper smelter used to look... SLAG! Be careful your layout doesn't become a superfund site.

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Boodreau,fellers..

Looks like yer getting into the swing of er..the thing / salg pile..looks every bit "proper"..once sceniced in..she will be a peach..a bit high n dry now..is all..engine house starts to live..railway lives..yay..

On the bullfrog line..I sorta rasped the granular beady white foam ..looked quite "rough"..then brushed 20 minute drywall mud over it..thicker or thinner as desired..20 mins..zoom zoom..good stuff..and the crust of it can be cut through with same kitchen knife..

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Thanks guys. Charley, I intend on making the whole area look like slag and after looking at the slag "skulls" in Ray's photos (earlier), I know that I will have to make them also. Good grief!! Why does a SLAG PILE become sooo complicated!? Thank goodness that I decided to use "selective compression" for the pile, otherwise it would DOMINATE the whole 8 foot section! I'm modeling a railroad, not a slag pile anyway! This thing is about 20 feet high and perhaps over 70 feet long as it is.

I'm working on scenery for the "hairpin curve" now and when I get some more new styrofoam, the layout will pretty much grow to it's intended size. Well, that's the story I'm telling Pam & Barbara. Yep...

 

PS-Just remembered that I will need a couple of slag cars. Does this ever end????

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Woodie:

I like the looks of the slag pile. But, please explain your modeling technique - in your first photo, you show the lawn mower, and I'd like to see a photo demonstrating how you use it in shaping the slag pile. You large scale guys have such different methods than we small scale modelers sometimes...

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Hi Woodie.

I checked the NMRA-site for info on the Shinner-Bock uncoupling-system...

...but came up empty !

A potentialy perfect pile I think...

...luv the B&W pixs again.

The Shay engine-house ol' wagon-wheels scene looks great.

Better get the carpenters in to fix that busted-off side-door !

Cheers.

Si.

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Si, what you found is correct...the bottles of Shiner Bock come up empty during ops sessions. Can't explain it!
Keith, the lawnmower is handy for when a project doesn't work out. I just fire it up and run the mower over the offending POS and it's done.

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Old (to me) & New  Since the SCPA&M will be "set" in 1907, just before abandonment, I won't be able to use any of my die cast/kit model autos & trucks. Being the nitpicker that I am, it just wouldn't be prudent.  So, here's a sample of what I will be building and buying more of in the future.




Just a few items shown but there is a lot of useable fodder for bashing into turn-of-the-century vechicles, etc. Men (maybe soldiers) on horseback, horse-drawn wagons, even 20 mule team wagons in another scale! There are a lot of good details in 1:35 scale for military modelers (guy on horse & wagon) and those great old borax wagons in 1:48 scale make fine 1:35 ore wagons. Just a matter of reworking the soldier's clothes and adding larger "details" to the borax wagons and it's done. I am lucky that I can use stuff from other scales, both larger & smaller, to set the scene.

And then there is this...I won't be showing any of this to my rivet counting, scale rule using brothers. The SCPA&M was a Shay only ore hauler and the cool caboose or flat cars with bench seats served as "passenger" cars. BUT I just can't resist using (occasionally) the open tourist car with gun-toting dudes shown drinking whiskey or the 2 tone half-open car with the same kind of riders...and little #3 Rosa, the smelter switcher from Mogollon. And yes, I also have a couple of other very nice "passenger cars" which I may, Just May run from time to time.




I guess what it boils down to is...it's MY railroad! Now if I can just get the other 5 smokestacks on the engine house...Hmmmmm

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Woodie, I hope you have read up on the 20 mule team operation. It is an OMG complicated thing just to turn a corner. Some of the mules were trained to jump the traces and pull the wagon straight while the mules in front of them rounded the corner. It is quite something to read about. Be sure to leave room for turning. (grins... )

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wooroow , fellers..

The 20 mule team wagons are the bomb

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Woodie:

The roundhouse scene is looking good, and your repurposed loco and rolling stock from Mogollon look good, too. I'm looking forward to your wagon building adventures and figure modifications - expect they'll be nice models, like everything else.

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Hi Woodie.

I would be disapointed NOT to see Rosa...

...& armed to the teeth bad-ass passenger traffic !

Nice thing about your prototype is...

...the 'counters' don't know $4#% about it anyway !

LONG LIVE THE NEW MOGGY !!!

Cheers.

Si.

(what brand are the wagons ?)

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Si, in reality, it is still Mogollon but about 60 miles further south! Over the past 15 years or so, the Mogollon Railway has moved from New Mexico in a dining room (On20) to Texas' Big Bend nailed to the outside of a motor home to (again) New Mexico sprawled out in the back yard to where it should be now...Silver City, NM in a nice living room shared with sofa, chairs, TV, stereo (what's that?), a cat, dog, and live ladies who appreciate watching it happen. I'm ready for pickers and counters, I have yet to see anything they have built!

The wagon kits are ESCI, some Russkie name, and the 20 Mule Team jobs from another century. I have a bunch of nice 1:35 wagon wheels just waiting for wooden wagons to be built. I'm gonna get right on that...yep...

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Hi Woodie.

Chas. seems to dig it !

The moved Moggy...

... Z Z Top on the stereo (what's that ?) ...

... and LIVE LADIES !

If there's free parking, I'm there !

Cheers.

Si.

Shinner Bock's away !

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As the guy used to say "COME ON DOWN!"

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Engine shed is looking really nice and like the Black and White photography.

Cheers Dan

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i'm going to chickasaw oklahoma with my brothers to look at pre ww2 rust in march can i visit i don't drink so you don't have to share the shiner bock
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Charles...sure, give me a holler. Actually, I just drink beer when my ops buddy comes by. There ain't no way I can drink a beer & work on the layout! Been there, done that. Don't work.

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Ha Ha

No drinking and modelling, try telling my good friend that. He stayed up one night with a few beers, then he had an itch on his face. Doppy G*T had the soldering iron in his hand.

Did I laugh at him the next day when he told and should me, Yes very much and out loud.

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it's your house and your railway you can do what you want the old mogollon and the new one are interesting to me

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I installed some overhead track lights and like the "noon in New Mexico" feel. Here's one of the enginehouse (minus one smokestack) showing both Shays and little Rosa.




You might see the slag heap rising up behind the structure. Also shown is ex Gilpin water car #300 and the nice SC caboose. On the far left are standard gauge AT&SF tracks leading to the smelter which will be located behind the enginehouse. The locos still have old Mogollon Railway lettering and are oil burners. They will get nice new paint, lettering, and conversion to coal. The work continues...

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Lookin' like a goody Woodie !

Nice N.M. lighting.

Can't quite see the rivets on the 3rd ore-car from the Shay...

...could be N.M. sun blindness though.

Keep on truckin' Sir !

Cheers.

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Looks great!

Lighting was one of my concerns when you said you were moving indoors, but that captures the washed out, mid-day lighting in NM well.

I should admit my second concern was when you said you were going to follow a specific prototype. I figured you were too much of a rebel to do anything by the book.

Did you receive a PM from me in regards to the slag cars? I pressed "send" and then my screen shut down,

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Keep going buddy---it's looking good!

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Coming together nicely Woodie!

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Thanks fellow fanatics... Yep, the track lights seem to do the trick. I am pleased so far. I will be using them over the layout all around the room.

Well, I am "trying" to do the SC NG as well as I can even though I will take a "liberty" here & there. I am looking at a couple of slag car ideas, they will be used in operations but won't actually dump (awwww). And that "corrugated box car", I may fudge on that and make one like the C&C tin cars that Charley mentioned...a corrugated car might look a little too much like a Cuban sugar cane car for me.

The weather has been sh%^&*y lately and I haven't been able to get to the dirt stash in the alley so scenery is being held up. I have those neat wagons to build and details to sort out but me and the ladies have been spending quality time watching movies this week so maybe next week... such is life when you're stuck indoors.

Duane...I didn't get the PM...I just want to know if the slag pots were hemispherical or shaped more like bathtubs...Guess I outta build one of each.

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I would say closer to semi-hemispherical, or "wheelbarrow-esque" in shape. If they were bathtub shape the slag would stick on the steep sides.

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Thanks Duane...I just may have the thing. In a bit I will post a photo of what I found...from a suprising source.

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As promised, here's what I found. It has what I think is the "right" contour...not a bathtub but has sides that allow things to slide out. It is one of a set of measuring spoons from the grocery store. This is the biggest one but there are smaller ones also. I will trim off the lip on top and make it a bit shallower and yes, it looks similar to a wheelbarrow shape. The fellow in the pix shows the scale. Well, how about this??




The slag car is still to be imagineered but maybe I am on the way.

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Here's an update of sorts. Years ago, I modified my Shays (Bachmann On30 on steroids) to operate over the rough and nasty trackage of my Mogollon Railway-which they did well. I took the time to equalize the trucks so they would ride up & down over the bumps and other funkiness. Sometimes I needed to adjust them since the equalization efforts tended to get sideways after lots of operation. Now, the new SCPA&M layout has nice, unbumpy track and those Shay trucks wanted to "take to the hills" any time they felt like it (most days). So I rebuilt the trucks to "stock" configuration with NO equalization to see if they would do better. Yep, the lokies stay on track (unless I don't set a switch right) and behave like Shays should.
I won't mess with things I don't know nothing about from now on but I may get "sidetracked"...

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I won't mess with things I don't know nothing about from now on but I may get "sidetracked"...
The world makes progress when somebody starts thinking " what if...". Jose.

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...Or as the great Long John Baldry stated..."Don't try to lay no boogie woogie on the king of rock & roll!"

There are smelters and there are SMELTERS, here is the one I need. Here is the Comanche (Silver City) smelter circa 1904-1905. Served by the AT&SF and the SCPA&M, this must have been quite an operation. These are the only known photos (well, maybe a couple of other views also) and are from Duane Ericson's SILVER CITY NARROW GAUGE, from his collection. Let me add that this is one book that SHOULD be in every self-respecting narrow gauger's collection.






The structures are built on several levels going up the hillside. The foundations were made from the slag produced during smelting and these were reported to be "harder than the hubs of hell" (quote from Duane's book) and are still there today. It's hard to see the narrow gauge but it was there, ducking in and out...running from left to right. Yes, there was standard gauge in there also. As you might imagine, a "full size" model of this would take some serious real estate in the house...especially in 1:35 scale. Maybe it could be done in Z scale but where are you gonna get Zn2 equipment?

The smelter superintendent's house is shown in most of the photos of the smelter, it is higher up on the hillside and the SC ran right through the "front yard".

Most all of this large operation will be comprised (on my layout) of a couple of structures, some "flats" and painting on the backdrop.  Elsewhere in this thread there are photos which show the relationship of the engine house to the smelter. As can be seen, I have got my work cut out for me!

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Thanks Woodie for posting the Smelter pictures. That is a large complex.

I have been trying to find a copy of Duane's book but have had no luck so far.

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Bill...send him a PM. He may have a few around.

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And here's something I remembered from a while back.

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=2679&forum_id=17

Duane supplied information about "what if the SC line ever built to Mogollon?"

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As promised, here's what I found. It has what I think is the "right" contour...not a bathtub but has sides that allow things to slide out. It is one of a set of measuring spoons from the grocery store. This is the biggest one but there are smaller ones also. I will trim off the lip on top and make it a bit shallower and yes, it looks similar to a wheelbarrow shape. The fellow in the pix shows the scale. Well, how about this??




The slag car is still to be imagineered but maybe I am on the way.


Woodie,

I used some of these measuring cups, as found in a brand of instant coffee I used to drink a lot of, for HO Gondola Car Cement Containers:



I don't know how big yours need to be but these are 1-19/64" (3.5' in 1/32" scale) around and 1-1/4" (3.75' in 1/32" scale) deep. If you think you might rather have a round slag cart and if these would be large enough.

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Thanks Bill, I have some of those and will mess with them for the carts. The "oblong" bucket is for a double truck slag car that was used by the SC...no photos exist so whatever I want might be OK.

Now, PLAYING WITH TOY HORSES. Since I am modeling the very early part of the last century in the wilds of New Mexico, I figured that I needed horses. Well, the nice 1:35 scale horses that come in some military kits are all posed the same way (like in a picture!), and I don't really feel like whacking them up to make what I want...I have too much "work" to do as it is. While visiting the local Hobbytown with buddy Dave and his daughter Laura, she happened to see a bag of horses in the toy section. I look for "kitbash fodder" no matter where it is...the grocery store (slag pots), drug store, and toy stores. Laura spotted a bag of plastic horses which upon further examination and "rule of thumbing" were thought to be close...close enough for government work! Check this out:




These are the horses along with the local sheriff on his Apoloosa(?) from a "fine scale" 1:35 military kit-a WW2 Vermacht mounted soldier all "westernized". Another local rube standing next to one of the critters sets the scale also. Well, I'll be jigged if these "toys" ain't proper 1:35 scale equines. A bit of paint and maybe some reins and they will become scenery on the SCPA&M. How much were these animals? How about less than 7 bucks for the whole bunch! Thank you Laura for having found these "diamonds in the rough"...

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I love those kind of finds

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Elminer Beaudreau fellers..

Horses and yer Burro's are neccessary in the working of this age..nice that you found them..

I am still reading the Railroads of Arizona volume two..three is next..actually reading them is a bit of a slog..but it is interesting...Having made a flying trip past Silver city and Morenci ..I can pitcher the places in my mind..

I include a pitcher of one of the baby gauge lokeys in Death valley..this one runs..very nice to see something like that running..

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:rah::rah::rah::rah: to Laura:glad::glad::glad: to Woodie for his new heard

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Woodie-I sent you a package with some of that reddish "Percha Shale" (and the missing slag) found along the SC, PA & M right of way in Chloride Flat. Good stuff, I've used it for years on the T & P. Also sent a few other goodies to help you keep the "party" going.

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Oooooh thanks Duane! I will be looking forward to the mail-lady's arrival!

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And a bonus picture of Silver City taken in 1886-the same year Geronimo (who was born north of Silver City) surrendered. Silver City was a very rough town! You can see the AT&SF yard in the far lower right. I believe it was standard gauge by this time (It was briefly a 3' line). The original "Main Street" can be seen next to the windmill, it was washed out in floods around 1902, so the next street over became the new "Main Street". The mines of Pinos Altos are in the hills in the top of the photograph, while the foreground is the Mexican part of town known as "Chihuahua Hill" (where I used to live in an old adobe brothel). The pile of straw, rocks and mud in the far lower left is actually a house...like I said, Silver City was a rough place! If I can find it I'll share a picture where Billy the Kid spent his youth, which was right along the right of way where the SC,PA&M RR would pass in Chloride Flat.


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El minero Beaudreau , fellers..

I went to silver city near the new year...and then Clifton..I wondered where the railway ran..I drove around..wondering.Failure to do proper homework..OR..take yer book..

I have a vague idear where the line went.I had no idear the place was so populated..good god man..and seeming over grown..

It is good to have a general idear of the lay of the land tho'..like Clifton..a neat place..better knwon to me now..after a short drive through..

So , thanks for that foto graph..as it kinda sorta clears up where the railway ran..and I drove around to a fare thee well..the lay of the land in mind..is nice..

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The ' Toy horses ' look top U.S.Cav. issue !

Great for stage-coaches...

...& stage-coach ROBBERY !

Cheers.

Si.

Some of the 'Timpo' Western stuff aint to bad...

...& another toy brand I forget the name of for now.

'Timpo' Mexican-hats are 5-Moose head gear.

Some of the smaller 'Playmobil' cactus are pretty 'sharp' too !

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That's a cool old photo of Silver, thanks Duane. Things are coming along and now, I present some more photos...like I stated at the git go, you will see warts & all!




Above is the section with the SC enginehouse and trackage. The smelter will occupy the right hand area and will be whatever I can accomplish to make the "scene". The old autos & trucks were dug out by Barb & Pam and they want me to include them. Soooo, the railroad will be as close as I can build it to the "real one" but the time will march on to about 1915. NO, there will be NO 49 Mercs on this layout! The slag pile is being worked on as are the structures along the ROW. The magazines, etc. below the layout will be worked on sometime later.




Here is the lift out section to allow access to my bedroom (how do you like that fine flannel door?).  Nothing special here, there is a switch to access the smelter tracks. This is very light and just lifts up out of the way and is "stored" underneath the next section......




In the corner, the track curves around (the lift out is on the left) and there is another switch to access a mine (?) in the corner. You can see the very high tech locomotive control, the Shay is being used to "test" the track as it is being laid. I still need to put the masonite facia on this section as well as the next one. The small metal box has spikes, track gauges, small files, and whatever else is needed to lay rails.




And this is as far as I have gotten in the push to "hairpin curve" and the mining district over the mantle. There is another passing siding that can hold 6 ore cars and yet another siding to the mine in the corner (it will be a "substantial" structure). This section runs across a "bar" which is open to the kitchen on the right. This track will go across another lift out which spans the kitchen doorway, then to another corner section which connects with the large curve section which has been shown in earlier posts.

I guess that I could have "cleaned up" the area before I took the photos but I actually NEED all the tools and other crap and would have to get it all back out to do some work.  When I get track laid, etc., I will post nice photos of "finished" sections. I do hope ya'll understand ! 

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Woodie-if you havent received it yet, the box I sent was the wrong one. A certain book distrubuting company just sent me an email asking why they got a box of weird dirt and rocks....

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Wow Duane...the box I got has $100K in it...I'm going to Fiji!!!

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Now then... I just sketched this track plan using the most advanced and high tech resources...pen and paper! This represents what's going on right now. There might be some changes (might not) but has what I want for an operating mining railroad.




I trust you can follow this scheme. At the bottom is the "mining district-to be announced". This will be above the fireplace (no live fires!) and another 6 feet across a large window. I am thinking maybe 3 or 4 nice size mines with some switching to be performed.

I didn't draw in the framework but it is approx. 4 by 8 feet-smelter. 2 feet -liftout across bedroom door. 12 feet by 18" across the kitchen bar (at right). 2 feet-liftout across kitchen doorway. 6 feet by 18 inches-corner to hairpin curve (lower right). 4 feet by 5 feet-hairpin curve. 4 feet to mantle. 8 to 10 feet by 2 feet across the mantle and large window (bottom of plan).

Please pardon the crude doodling but my CAD program isn't working (don't have such a thing) and I'm still a dinosaur.

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Hi Woodie.

Vintage stiched together tree survey is great !

Cheers.

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Woodrow ..fellers..

In the real world..yay..glad to see progress..glad you share with us the motivational and inspirational..If you could package the stuff..sell a small bottle for a dime two thirty eight..you'd be a wealthy man..

But I repeat myself..:doh:A man and his railway ..a beautiful thing..

The blue foam sure is the bomb..great stuff...I am surprised more peoples are not using it..AND..who needs benchworks.a light frame..yeah..but..long as nobody walks on er..?..

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Thanks Charley, I do consider myself a wealthy man. I have great friends, great loves, animal friends, a roof over my head, and a train layout in the living room! What more could a train nut need?

Blue foam...been using that for over 15 years and wouldn't consider anything else. The Texas Outlaws On30 modular group here in Dallas can buy 2" blue foam from the distributor at wholesale prices...the only "retail" customers allowed by the firm. Over the years, they have bought enough foam to insulate several homes!

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Chasv, Beaudreau , fellers.

Chasv overdosed..?..too much cookies../ booze/ wimon/ stuff...? :old dude:

I suspect your philosophy is right..having shelter and food are to be grateful for..I keep that in mind always..I once wondered , that if I had a bunch of moneys..whot would I do anyways...?..this wasn't too long ago when i was hauling all that hay..wondering where I was gonna spend all the monies..well i solved that problem..don't work there no mo..

The real thing is to walk , or sit around..be happy..smile..I throw the ball for the doggy...odd that time taken for the real pleasure in life is sorta viewed as timne "stolen" , stolen from whom , I asks ya..?..and thanks for the proper attitude and the sharing of your inspirational modelling and life philosophies..you are one of my heroes..YAY woody..

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too many cookies or maple bacon jerky too old for the rest

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Ahhh, life is good...embrace it and those you love!

Now, phil-o-sop-ical-ee aside...something new which is old ? What?  One of my old train nut friends, By-ron De Davey from Royce City (no Rolls there) made me take a kit for a cool wagon. Not just any wagon, but a for real "West European Cart" wagon by Master Box. Yep, it's 1:35 scale but for the life of me, I don't know what makes it European VS old timey American.




Here 'tis so far. It needs nice wood paint, the horses (remember them?) need to be hooked up, the driver needs, well he needs another drank. Those military modelers have the coolest kits!  I have another kit for the famous (infamous) 20 Mule Team wagons which are monsterous in 1:48 scale and still big in this scale. I just need some "proper" 35 scale mules but I'm a' looking.

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Hi Woodie.

Nice lookin' wagon, that Master-Box !

Is it 'strong'(ish) ?

Mini-Art have a couple of nice lookin' wagons also...

...but their kits seem like Faberge-eggs to me !

(if you have an electron-microscope, you can see the woodworm looking out of the styrene though)

Looks a bit more 'western racey' that the Mini-Art dung-haulers do.

Nice.

Cheers.

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MORE CANYONS TO CROSS...Here's another chance to see what a great housekeeper I am! Going from the "Farnsworth Ranch" area (last photo post #180) across the kitchen doorway to the grades up to the "hairpin curve" and then on to the "mining district".




The doorway (no kitchen door) needed a lift out section (similar to post #180) so food could be brought into the living room and my housemate would be happy without having to duck down to get at the fridge. This is about 3 feet across and since the lift outs are very light (styrofoam), they can be handled with extreme ease...and there's no pesky wiring to consider. Please excuse (or don't) the clutter around. It seems that when an old house is being re-done and a railroad is being built, there is stuff EVERYWHERE!




Here's the lift out section in place with ties glued in place, rail to be spiked probably later today. As with the bedroom door lift out, the rails will be laid across the breaks and will line up CORRECTLY with the permanent sections.




Here's how the lift outs are held in place.  There are small strips along the bottom of the permanent sections which locate the lift outs at the proper heights and the sections are just clamped in place with these very expensive ($.99 at Home Depot) heavy duty spring clamps. The facia around the layout and these sections is 3/16" tempered Masonite, glued with Titebond, 15 minute epoxy, and 2.5" drywall screws set in epoxy and are very sturdy provided some numb nut doesn't stand on the layout. That might cause me to be arrested for assault!

That coffee pot in the background is a much needed appliance and one of the reasons a lift out section was used rather than a duck-under. Them ducks can stay outside where Jake can keep an eye on them.

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Hello Mr Greene. I have just seen that a few days ago you were enquiring re the shape of slag cars.

Maybe the shape of this slag handcart might help ?.












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Thanks Michael, I will build a couple of "armstrong" slag cars like that one. The SCPA&M had some double truck rr cars (no photos) and Duane Ericson has modern photos of the "skulls" which were slag that had solidified and was dumped from the cars. The "skulls" are elongated and look like a sort of bathtub shape. I plan to build just one car, it probably won't be used in ops but will be "scenery" or a "detail".
Bill Fornshell was on the right track with the coffee measure cups, they look a lot like the one in the photo...just add wheels and a handle.

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Hi Woodie.

That R.O.W just a keeps on GROWING !

Nice work, the 'look no wires' lift-outs are cool.
(coffee access way)

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The Comanche had also had hand-cart slag pots that look very much like the ones Michael posted. (nice pic, thanks!)

Would also work for a big stew pot!

(Which reminds me-as an archeologists I wish I had a nickel for every time I saw a 19th-century chamber pot re-used by someone for a vase or soup bowl-not knowing what the original purpose was!)

Once again I've dragged Woodie's noble and worthy thread in a most unsavory, and off-topic manner.

Looking good, Woodie!

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It's OK to be off topic, I usually am. Now, here's some more pictures showing new sections/additions. Remember, this stuff ain't sceniced yet except for some uncarved and unclean blue foam. But...the track is in place and WORKING!!!




This is the lift out section across the kitchen doorway. No muss, no fuss...it just lifts up and out in 5 seconds! Yep, Pam timed me getting it outta the way for a session of food preparation...something that MUST be done-more important than running ore cars to the smelter! The large spring clamps on either side hold the section in accurate alignment with the rest of the line. That take down time INCLUDES messing with the clamps. Installing the section takes all of 10 to 15 seconds.




This is connected to the previous area and runs across a nice old window. The grade here is about 3 to 4% and it then connects with:




"hairpin curve"...Now, I can (and have) run trains from smelter to mines (in the future) and watched the tiny Shays haul ore cars and caboose around the curve which ignited my interest in narrow gauge so very long ago. (see post #1)

I have added a bit of foam to this area and posed the sheriff, burro, and some scrub brush to set the scale. One of these days...one of these days!

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Hi Woodie.

It's all lookin' GREAT !

I think Freerails 'official-data' says :-

Bachmann Shays run around 15" curves MAX ! ( or MIN.).

Have you used a known minimum radius, in certain 'tight' areas ?

I know your gonna tell me it's all laid 'by eye' !

But I figure you must be taking care it's NOT below 15"...

...right ?

All the best.

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Si, the minimum radius is 16" with most in the 17" (hairpin curve) and 18" radius. Long ago, I perverte...er...converted the Shays to handle as little as 12" radius but they DON'T like that. So there it is. The radius is laid out in the track center so the "inside" rail may be 16.75" and "outside" rail maybe 17.25" but then who's counting nits anyway? The rails are pretty much "carefully" laid, I have torn up a couple of bad switches (turnouts) and redone them and the places where the lift outs mate up, the rails are stuck down with spikes and epoxy and have pieces of rail soldered underneath the ends to assure all stays "fair". I can do such things because there's no pesky power issues to deal with.

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Woodie,

I like how your layout is taking shape. I am looking forward to seeing how the muleshoe curve scene develops - the photo of the cabless shay pulling an ore train in Duane's Silver City Narrow Gauge book has been one of my favorites.

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Your making me miss the years I lived in Silver City, the hike to along the R.O.W. to the hairpin was one of my favorites. The area is so overgrown with juniper and pinion trees that you dont get much of a view anymore, which is probably for the better as the area is being encroached with McMansions.

...to this day I cant make sense of the reason the Comanche Mining Co built that corner so sharp, but it makes for a good looking model!

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What fun, nice reading for a 'spring' day. It was about 72 here yesterday. Today it is snowing, cold... I'm looking out at the blooming cherry tree and forsythia bush... covered with snow. The moving snow is going by parallel to the Venetian blind slats, wind 30 to 50 mph. Sigh... Spring in the high desert.
So, I just read through the entire thread again for escape. Thanks Woodie, I needed escape.

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Hi Woodie

Love it, you must up load a video of a train running through when up and running if possible. :glad:

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Yep, I'll get a video when Mr DeMille comes to town.....

Now this... The "mysterious 8 wheel slag car" that theres but one blurred and greatly enlarged photo found. In an earlier post, I showed a measuring spoon that appeared to have the dimensions and shape that I thought would work. I pondered, weak & weary over many a quaint and curious volume of...no, that's not it! In a box of junque, I found a frame for a Bachmann On30 "V" tipper car and after some whacking and sawing, I had something that seemed to be OK. Also, a pair of old Grandt On30 trucks that didn't roll for s$%^ and I had found the "makin's". This is just a piece of scenery for the smelter so I didn't make it to actually operate. Without further BS, here it is....




Like I have said before...warts and all! All I need to add is some weathering and a bit of slag stuck on parts and it's done. Well, what do you think?

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Very nice indeed Woody, like all your work.

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Well Woodie,

I think you have a winner there with the new slag car!

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Jackpot !!

A winner fer sure.

Cheers.

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Was thinking of you and the SC, PA & M loop this morning while relaying ties for the bridge on my Torres & Prietas:



The two weights I use to hold things down while glueing are the remains of a derailment I found near the hairpin loop (back in the days before I learned that taking artifacts ain't cool). The front one is ( I believe) a brake shoe, while the back weight is a brass friction bearing from one of the 2' cars. There were also some other nuts and bolts, along with rotted fragments of wood, but not enough to get a paint chip from.

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elminero67 wrote:

Now, that's a strong bridge!
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Hi Woodie,

That slag car look great. But, however I don't know how the prototype looks but the frame were the slag pot hangs in does not seem very solid. The slag pot and the slag is heavy stuff.

For the weathering you might be interested in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km81WgId2qw
In about 3 minutes there is nice view of those slagcars.

Alwin

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Thanks Alwin...I suppose the frame is a bit small...however, the On30 "V" tipper tub that the slag pot replaced was the same general size as the new tub. Maybe Bachmann should be contacted about this inaccuracy! LOL!! Anyway, when the smelter gets built, the slag car will be located about 3.5 feet away from the viewer so maybe I can hide any problems with...MORE SLAG.
Duane's glueing weights are just the thing! I do have a SCPA&M spike found by a late buddy and another friend gave me a Monson RR spike so I do have some "real two foot weights".
Work continues so when I get pics made, I'll post them. Right now I am enjoying operating trains at least to the end of the hairpin curve. More later on...

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Hi Woodie.

Great to have operations going already.

Looks like you've got quite a good run to the horse-shoe curve.

And some cool switching around the yard.

Cheers.

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detail of the hairpin loop:

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Hey Woodie,

It's all beginning to look really grand! But what else could we expect?

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Beaudreau , fellers..

Looking good..really good..gooder n gooder...yay ...glad to see you out and about and motivatin...:old dude:

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Duane, thanks for the hairpin trestle. Mine is a bit shorter but will have "the look". I'm still working on track & scenery and now use a wifi internet connection of Pam's (I pay for it however) since I have a "feud" with "ver-I-zone" so I will be off line here and there. However, this makes it easier to delve into actual work rather than "virtual" keyboard punching. And guess what...the slag that Duane sent me actually MATCHES the color of the model slag pile! Wonder of wonders!!!

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OK,  here it is...the slag pile again. In color, this photo shows how well the blue foam, tile grout, and spray foam slag pile matches the real slag debris that Duane sent me (small pieces at the bottom of the pile and some scattered on the sides). Work continues and the pile will be finished up soon. The smelter buildings are being built due to the fact that I am not fiddling around on the net and doing ACTUAL three dimensional modeling instead!




Also note the long line of wheelsets (shown in photos of the real engine house)`. These are Grandt Line scenic On3 details which have a slightly wider gauge than the 16.5MM gauge on the line...but nobody can really tell the difference since the scene is about 2 feet away from the viewers' eyes.

Work continues...

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You stuck, Woodie?

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Howdy Duane...no not stuck. Just messing with other craaaaap. I actually have the sections built that are needed but the lhs has NO code 83 rail. What a way to run a shop. Just some ties to be cut. Rail to lay. Switches to build. And plenty of scenery to make. Then I can purity everything up for a nice living room with train layout. Just what I want. When I figger how to do pix with this tablet some stuff will appear.

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Woodie,

I have plenty of code 83 I can let you have, no charge. Since I live at my daughter's now I don't have a place for anything.

My loss, your gain. Call or message me.

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Woodie it is Collectables Rare And Precious

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Thanks James. Your rail will bring the line to the mines and full operation. See you next week.....

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Just a quick update...I am using a tablet puter now so long tirades etc.are hard to post. All the track is finished on the layout and operation has "trumped" scenery but it will be done sometime. I will try to post some pix when I can use Pam's laptop. The story continues.....

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Woodie, just remember these tablets you don't mix with water LOL.

Cant wit for some pics.

All the best Dan

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Hi Woody, how's it going? Are you still stuck on the tablet?

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Maybe we can entice Woody to share what he's been a-doing by posting some recent pics (October 2015) of the Silver City narrow gauge line near Pinos Altos:

This is the SC, PA & M right of way on the east side of "W" Mountain, looking south towards old Mexico:



And a little further up the mountain. In this view at the Pacific Mine the former railroad has been converted into a road. This is as close to the angle of the historic pic in the Silver City Narrow Gauge book on page 41 as I could get as the mountain is overgrown with pinion and juniper:




Here is one of the very last pieces of trestle left on the mountain, it has lasted outside for over 100 years, but doesn't look like it has much time left:



I'll post a few more if Woody promises to post an update of what he's been a-doing!

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Yep...still stuck with the tablet. Maybe I'll get a new puter on Dec 25 or so. However the time not spent smurfng the net has enabled me to do bunches of work and operations on the layout. Someday I will figure out this photo thing. Duane...great photos of wonderful scenery. I need far more scrub brush and nice trees but that will happen. One big change ( for nitpickers) is that the SCPA&M is now existing in 1920 so I can use the cool Model Ts , etc along with horse & mule drawn wagons. Otherwise it is pretty much faithful to the prototype... well as much as I can get it. As it is, I' m having fun and staying busy.

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Yep...still stuck with the tablet. Maybe I'll get a new puter on Dec 25 or so
Just remember, before hammering the  @#$%^ thing to death, that computers are here to make your life easier... Jose.

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The Sage of Dallas Lives !!  Happy Christmas Mr Greene !

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Well, glad to hear you're still making progress.

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OK then...now I have a better doo dad to work with so be aware that photos and text will be posted on this thread in the near future ( a couple of days) which will show that I ain't dead and the scpa&m is lots further along. Be afraid...be VERY afraid!
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You should be afraid.

I have seen it and it is very alive.

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Yep, James has seen what is going on. My biggest problem with finishing the scenery, etc is that now the track is done, I tend to power up a loco and operate and after a few hours, I find that " outside influences" need me to park the trains and "come back to reality".
Oh, that mysterious metal boxcar has been located and will be displayed in a while.

Time marches onward

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My thanks to Mr Herb Kephart for the nice laptop I just received so as soon as I can figger out how to do the photos, I will begin to bore ya'll with new pix of my living room and the decorations that hang from three walls therein. Be afraid...be very afraid! It's been a while so lots of work has been done and unseen here.

Happy happy happy

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Lest anyone think that I bought Mr Greene a spanking new laptop, It is one that my grandson pulled a couple keys off of so his parents would of course have to buy him a new one, because the old one was ''no good''

Parents with too much money-----

But it would take more than that to stop Woodrow, thank goodness.

Herb

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" My thanks to Mr Herb Kephart for the nice laptop I just received "

Hi Woodie.

If you need any spare vacuum-tubes...
...give me a shout, I might have the right one.

Si.

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Herbie..I didn't need them keys anyway...just more monkey business to worry about. "Keys? We don't need no stinkin' keys!"

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Herb,

That would be your own business anyway. We already know you're a great guy.

Besides, Woodie has always been short a few keys, as have most of us who have breathed paint fumes (or drank too much Quervo) most of our lives.

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That was 10:45 this morning its now 6:30.. where are the pictures that we are so urging to see....:bang:

Cheers Dan

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I agree with Shoulders' where's the pictures?

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Looking forward to it!

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Well, I don't have all the "bells & whistles" of the photo game at the moment but will try my best. Here are some new pix (betcha thought they would never happen!)



Little #3 Rosa (now on the SCPA&M) ts about to take water from the tank at the mines. BTW...this tank was not ever on the RR but was "inspired" by the Mann's Creek Narrow Gauge in W Virginia. Since the Silver City NG now lives in 1920, there are some infernal combustion vechicles here & there. This one is made from a 1917 REO firetruck.



One of the mines along the line is the Mina Grande (a real mine on the SCPA&M) which can handle 3 10 or 15 ton ore cars. There is much, much more to do in detailing this area but it will happen...soon I hope.



Here is another view of Mina Grande with the coal delivery being made. Miss Barbara is in charge of the 2 horse team (which need proper harnessing, etc.).  Atop the mine structure is the top of the mine headframe with large sheave to raise mine cars to the tipples.
OK, nice trees, shrubs, weeds, and other "natural" detailing needs to be worked on but the layout is more or less "done" now. A couple of bare foam areas are waiting for dirt, etc. but it will happen. Photos of these areas will follow soon.
Trackwork is finished and operations have been taking place. And you thought I haven't been working on anything. Hmmmmm....

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And a couple more...



A still un-named small mine which usually gets 2 10 ton ore cars. This mine is located near the limestone quarry (limestone is used by the smelter as a kind of flux)...which is another story(later). The main line to the right leads to Hairpin Curve and to the left runs downgrade (over a lift out section for access to the kitchen...we gotta eat sometime!) to Farnsworth Ranch and 2 more mines before reaching the smelter in Silver City.



Here is another un-named mine near the Mina Grande. The tipple was salvaged from the old Mogollon Railway's "Chupacabra Mine". The tipple is filled from ore brought in on a "baby gauge" 20" line which has a truly funky "critter" powered by an old Model T engine. It has brought in a load of ore which has been dumped from a "V" tipper.  Yep, lots more to do on this one too.

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"a spanking new laptop"
Is this what I think it is?. Jose (jumping into the armoured underwear).

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Hi Woodie.

Pleased the hi-tech 'Herb 'O' Hardware'(TM) is up to steam...
...those cast-iron riveted computer-processors last for ever !

Mina Grande looks AWESOME !
Seems to be very mooooodern...
...soooooper FAST 3-car loading.
(advanced technology !)

Love how you've done the corner-section...
...at 'The Mine With No Name' #1.
That funky mine-shaft & dump-car track bridge over the 'main line' really de-corners, the corner.
(what the hell's he on abooot ?)

It's all looking great dude.

All the best.

Cheers.

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It is sometime since I looked in for a fix.
I'm very glad, I did some excellent work Woody, just like you always do.

Regards Peter M

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I think it looks totally crap!!!!:bg:

No only joking its BRILIANT well worth the wait Woodie, how fast you have progress on the railroad.

Can not wait to see more of your good work.

Is it nice not working and running trains in the rain?

Cheers Dan

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Howdy Dan...yep, it DOES beat working outside. As much as I loved the trees, lighting, etc., having to maintain track every day really became a hassle and I ain't getting any younger. I do miss the "unlimited" space and natural backgrounds but we do what we have to...if you wanna play, you gotta pay.

On those mines, in Duane's book there are really just a couple of photos of the mines and those weren't very detailed. So, any mines I build will be more or less "freelanced" or loosely copied from what I can find in the library. Mina Grande is similar to one on the Gilpin Tramway for instance. Another big mine I am working on is the Aztec, a "copy" of another GT customer. I am trying to name the mines with those located on the prototype. Matter of fact, I need to supply more SCPA&M history, Duane will tell me when I am full of b$%%s^&*.

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don't let him stifle the creativity too much the wait was worth it great pictures
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Woodie, Makes all the pain and suffering that I had to endure packing the darn thing worth while!!!!!!

Great work compadre.

Herbie

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Well, until I get a Photoshop program, the pix will be "raw & unedited"...cropped and changed to B&W will then happen again. I looked on de net for free PS programs but none want to be downloaded at the moment. I am probably doing something wrong (usual course of events).
BTW-that nice box and packing was "repurposed" by Pamela for something she wanted to send to grandkids. Imagine that!

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And now something for Si (which ain't a UFO)...



It's the Brownhoist at the SCPA&M machine shop. The "real thing" had a steam powered Ledgerwood hoist but I ain't in a mood (right now) to build another hoist. This still carries the old Mogollon lettering. Maybe it will get changed, maybe...Hmmm

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And here's a couple of the mysterious metal boxcar, no proto photos or other info available. The scrapper inventory just mentioned this car (corrugated metal) but I think a corrugated car would be more for a sugar cane line than a mining road.





You really can't see the rivets in the photos but they are there. Maybe a rivet counter can see them! I don't know what was carried in this car but we use it to carry materials to the mines. The car was built on a "standard" SCPA&M ore car frame.

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Sure I can see the rivets! They show up real good in the pictures. Must make me a rivet counter.

Good job on those rivets, by the way. Makes the car look great. Did you use the Archer decal product or use individual Grandt nubbins? You don't have to give the method away if you don't want to, of course.

Do you think they used the car for explosives maybe? Duane have any ideas?

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BTW, did you know that Archer even has decals for welding joints? Makes ya wanna go "hmmm".

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James...the rivets are done with the "Kephart-O-Matic" rivet punch. Of course it is a secret process not to be dis-cussed.
Those Archer products are reall neat, I can see that I need to buy some but that's for another SS check!
Duane or Keith might know but I think we whipped that old horse some time back, maybe explosives, maybe booze shipments???

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Ah, I had completely forgotten about that bad boy mech. Must be my oldtimers disease hitting me again.

I had considered the possibility of building a couple 35n2 cars again and doing a better job this time. For the ore cars I was thinking of building two types - one riveted and one welded - using the Archer decals on each.

If I did a decent enough job (call that neat and clean), I could maybe make two-part molds for them just in case I ever wanted to get back into that ginormous scale again.

Food for thought!

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James...GO FOR IT! Hey, I have some ore cars & parts...

Now...Due to contractual agreement with Mr. Kephart, there will be more photos added here. Some may be OK, others may be...well...



Here's something. One rainy day last month, I scraped together some stuff from scrap boxes, 20 Mule Team wagon kits, and my beloved old "Holt/Case" tractor which could have been from the 1920's. Just what every portable power unit needs-a boiler with water tank in tow. I suppose this collection of vechicles could go just about anywhere on the layout.



And this...A couple of years ago I built a model of Gilpin Tramway's snowplow. This model is as faithful to the prototype as I can build something. The little car had a sort of "outhouse" built behind the blade in later years but I liked this early version better. Yes, the blade is canted down and off center...that's what the real deal had. Heavy weights in the car were probably stacks of rail and other iron junk but I had these 2 nice motors which make some heavy ballast also.
This proves that I can indeed follow a prototype even if it is against my inner child.

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A pity that your move indoors means no real snow to clear.

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And here's a couple of the mysterious metal boxcar, no proto photos or other info available.


Looks like a pay car to me. Only thing missing is the firing ports for the poor guy(s) inside with Winchester rifles...
Many mooses for the modeling work!
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Man, the gun ports sound like a plan! I have quite a collection of 1:35 weaponry, my favorite is the BAR. A mean shootin' machine for sure. I ain't gonna drill ports in this car but maybe build another car, or maybe an old ore car, with the BARs mounted on tripods with ammo belts hanging off them...and a couple of "pistoleros" riding. Hmmm...

Here is a shot (poor one at best) of a large project on the layout:



This is the Aztec mine (another real name) which has room inside for 5 or 6 10 ton ore cars. Lots to do here also, smokestacks, etc. This mine is servied by another "baby gauge" line, enters the mine after crossing a small bridge (above left). And there's another small mine tipple located right in front of the Aztec. It will probably have some kind of mine car operation also. Nothing is even half-assed done but they provide 2 more places to move cars in & out.

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Some great looking stuff !

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BAR is magazine not belt fed. Put Browning .30 caliber light MGs on if you want belt fed.
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BTW great looking scene at the Aztec.

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Howdy Woodie...
...or " Wotcha Cock " as is the traditional Saaarf Lundun greeting.

Thanks for your UFO photo (Ultra Fantastic Object).

I'm not going to get over exited though.
My Doctor told me, if I see any Brownhoists...
...just think, c a l m ... c a l m ... c a l m
& my blood pressure should be OK !

" Until I get a Photoshop program, the pix will be "raw & unedited"...cropped and changed to B&W will then happen again."

With all that exellent colouring on the new layout...
...please don't make us watch the '80s Moscow Television version.
Those Soviet game-shows would have looked far better in Kodachrome.
The gleaming metal-fleck top prize Trabant, so much more appealing.

I think heavily armed & camoed 'jeehaawdists' might occupy your lounge...
...until it's writen into Texas state-law...
...that Dallas 1:35ers must post a high % of colour Pix. !

Nice work Big W.
Good to see the 'Herb 'O' Rivet'(TM) in action on full steam.
Great south-west scenes !!

Cheers.

Si.

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Actualy, I can't stay ... c a l m ...

BROWNHOIST ! BROWNHOIST ! BROWNHOIST !

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W C Greene wrote:
Man, the gun ports sound like a plan! I have quite a collection of 1:35 weaponry, my favorite is the BAR. A mean shootin' machine for sure. I ain't gonna drill ports in this car but maybe build another car, or maybe an old ore car, with the BARs mounted on tripods with ammo belts hanging off them...and a couple of "pistoleros" riding. Hmmm...It's your layout, but BARs weren't sold to the public like Tommy Guns were. Colt made a law enforcement of a BAR called the "Monitor" though, which wouldn't be too tough a conversion from a M1918 BAR:

Heck, maybe you could justify National Guard operations, with wool uniforms and the WW1 'tin hat' M1917 helmets, complete with M1917 water cooled .30 caliber machine guns...
At least in that scale, you have a lot of small arms options.

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Well, since I don't know s@$& about weaponry, I will stick to stuff I do know about! In this case, easy "armstrong" turntables.
A couple of fellows asked me about the turntables on the old Mogollon Railway and this new layout. One thought that I had some kind of magical radio controlled self-indexing powered by a slow motion servo turntable. As I stated earlier, here it is...warts & all.



Here's the "public" view of the Silver City enginehouse turntable. Thankfully, it handles the SCPA&M's little 4-4-0 (acquired from a Mexico City 2 footer-yep, there was one!) which is used for mine owner "tourist trains". I couldn't resist this! Ahhh, the turntable...it is barely 9" long, made of basswood, and has a center spindle of steel rod riding in a brass tube. BTW-this TT was used on the Mogollon Railway's Gila Tram operation (as was the loco) and the weathering is natural, finely done by The Almighty.

However, under the turntable is the "rest of the story":



What the hell is this? Well, it's a grainy & dim view of the technically advanced turntable power, indexing, and reversing equipment.
The center pivot rod (steel rod) comes out the bottom of the TT (bottom shown, a piece cut out of the foam and dropped down the right depth and glued in place). You might be able to see the indexer and so-fist-icated power unit touching a masonite disk attached to the pivot rod

The finger moves the disk which moves the turntable above and the eyes acomplish the indexing. Sometimes, during an ops session and dos mas cervesos (2 beers), the eyeball indexing may get a little off...but that's another story.

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looks like a 4 :moose::moose::moose::moose: job to me like the door fit on the aztec mine looks real photos are great want more

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So, Mr Greene, you admit to occasional imbibing. How many beers does it take to put a loco right into the pit?

Nice work pal, as always. I wish that I could join you in an ops session. Heck, I would bring the beer--except that it might be German Lager-----


Hic! Herb

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Thanks guys. I am building another little TT for the other end of the line...getting tired of running backward from mines to smelter. I will take some pix to show this being built. The real SCPA&M may have had a wye at one end or maybe a TT or maybe they just ran backward also. Who's to know? Maybe Duane can help clear up this vexing question.

Herb, any more than 2 beers and the crew breaks for home. We got out standards, you know!!

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Mr Kephart,

A German Lager or good Belgium Ale would be most welcome as far as I'm concerned. None of that wishy washy stuff that passes for beer.

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Or...a great Central Tejas dark beer...like Shiner Bock.

A little joke: A local farmer wanted to know what was in Coors Light "beer" so he sent a sample to Texas A&M (ag school) for testing. Two weeks later he got a letter from them stating-"We are sorry sir, but your horse has 2 weeks to live."
Huuunh?

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Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!

Yeah, right?

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TURNING THE TABLES
Now, instead of drinkin' beer, here's another turntable story. Remember that the stuff I build is really crude and rough but somehow seems to turn out OK (at least to me).
At the end of the line up at the mines (over the fireplace), the tracks ended with a drop to the hardwood canyon floor if I wasn't careful. There was/is room for a loco and 2 ore cars for "running around" during mine switching but I wanted to be able to turn the locos...really just turn the little 4-4-0...so the trains could run back to the smelter with the lokies headed "smokestack first". Or maybe I just wanted another crazy project, who knows...



Here's the end of the earth (at the moment). The new TT base is made of 3" blue foam-because I had some 3" stock around. Just a little realignment of tracks to be done when it's ready to be attached to the layout. As can be seen, the bright area behind the piece is a picture window to the driveway.



Another nice old turntable from the old Mogollon Railway was reused. This one had to be cut down since it was long enough to handle the road's 2-4-4-2 and Garratt but way too long for Shays, Porters, and that 4-4-0. Again, natural weathering done by being outside for several years.



This sits in the new location which looks like this:



A hunk of foam with a circle cut out, then glued back into place about 3/4" lowered and a piece of brass tubing for the center pivot glued in place. Spackle was slopped around to fill any holes in the pit and also some more spackle is to be put around the pit walls to represent concrete. Then maybe some pit rails (or not) will be added along with dirt & rocks and approach tracks. Then this thing will be epoxied in place as shown in the first photo. Quick & easy...but then I don't have to worry about wiring or exotic mechanical work. It's an "armstrong" turntable and will be turned...by hand.
More as this progresses (or regresses)

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And this:



The Aztec mine was repainted. I didn't like the ultra-funky name and it seemed that the building needed to be whitewashed with red oxide window frames.
Now I feel a little better. The Aztec logo will be re-applied but in a more "workman-like" manner (better quality).

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Great modeling Woody. And all that in such little time. [toast]

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Turntable works for me. You say crude, I say it looks perfect. Warts are great in the real world. Shows character.

Good going, my friend.

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really like your work so far i like funky or character as the case may be and the Aztec seems to be improving if that is possible
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Great stuff, Woodie! Nice to finally see some pics.

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Alright then...back to the turntable. I epoxied the TT section to the end of the layout and laid some ties. Now, these ties are kinda wonky at least on one track but they will be covered under dirt (ballast) so nobody will know nothin'. To make sure that the tracks line up properly, I made these little devices:





Just some square brass tubing cut to length and soldered up. The top photo shows the "alignment device" closed, holding the rails in proper alignment for running a loco across to the table. The below photo shows the device (what the hell do I call these things?) in the open status...so the TT can be turned. There is another fitting on the other end which will keep the rails in place after turning. The locos can run back & forth without having to "eyeball" the rails and finding that things ain't quite right and then...well, it's a far ways to the bottom of the canyon.



Here are parts for the other device on the straight track approach. Simple, and an easy little bit of cuttin' & solderin'...and it works great!

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Woodie, 

That is a very cleaver idea and could solve one of my many layout problems.

Even I should be able to solder together something like it.

As for a name, it looks like a bit like a "TAS" (Turntable Alinement System)  to me.

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Pure genius!

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like Sullivan said PURE GENIUS

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Not only that, but IT"S GREAT!

A little lumpy, wonky track (consistent with staying on the track most of the time) adds SO much to the overall concept with a mining or logging line!

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SOMETHING DIFFERENT
Here's another little project that I have been fiddling with. The real Silver City smelter was served by not only the narrow gauge SCPA&M but by the Santa Fe. The Silver City line ran up to mines in the mountains and the SF brought ore to the smelter from their customers and then carried the processed ore to the market. I wanted to show this connection on the layout and emphasize the difference between the tiny 2 foot equipment and the standard gauge cars. The SF had 3 tracks to the smelter which ran close by the SC enginehouse(on the right)...I only had room for 2 tracks. Remember that this is 1:35 scale and a standard gauge 36 foot box car is a shade over 12 inches long and around 3 inches wide so the cars would take some real estate to display.



These 2 cars depict the standard gauge presence at the smelter. The one on the right was a 3 foot narrow gauge car from my old layout (Mogollon Railway) which is lettered for the Torres y Prietas (a real Mexican road and Duane Ericson's muse)...this was converted to standard gauge-some roads converted cars -and is "owned" by the Comanche Smelting Co. (yep, it could have been). The car on the left is an old Santa Fe box car...I did as best as I could and more could be done to detail further. The standard gauge trucks under the cars are old New Brite toy car trucks which are pretty much 1:32 scale...close enough for me! This is just static scenery and not operating models but they seem to do the job that I intended them to do.
AT&SF purists will cringe at what I have built but most folks will think it is OK. The SF car was built from Evergreen styrene, given to me by my friend James Sullivan and he even supplied the brake wheel.
Now I need to find some other projects before I get even crazier...

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While doing some switching at the mines, I thought that I might stage a little "mini scene". In this tableau, the female fire-person (?) is telling the Ford driver that he has to back up so #1 can get through and take the train down the mountain. I trust that the driver doesn't have any immediate plans-the caboose has to be moved from blocking the road anyway. Of course the motorist could drive off the road and bump across the track behind the caboose...but I don't think he will. He's eying the lady coal shoveler and may drag this out a bit.

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One day I was surfing the net at work, looking at R/C stuff and found Freerails. I use to build layouts as a kid but never get passed the wiring stage. Thanks for posting again Woodie. The Mogollon with the rough track, R/C, 1/35 and all, was inspiration for me to model again. And thanks to all that keep the Freerails forum alive.

Stephen M. :cb:

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Good to see things happening!

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Top tableau Mr. Woodrow !

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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But wait...there's more:
Herb wanted me to send more photos so here's a couple more. Still much, MUCH more to be done, detailing, landscaping, this n' that. I have been working a bit on the smelter, it's a rather large project but what else do I have to do? The real Comanche smelter looked a bit different, it burned down once...and in my "alternative" time of 1920, it may have been burned again and was rebuilt with a different look. At least that's my lie...er, story.





The top photo is a "general" view of the smelter, much of which is hidden by the large slag pile. More buildings to be added, more smokestacks (you can never have too many smokestacks at a smelter), and a backdrop with an "artistic rendering" of the smelter's superintendent's house on the hill overlooking the scene. Yep, most all is building "flats" but that's all I have room for. My late buddy Steve Beck made me realize that to build the smelter in actual "scale" size, I would need to use half of my back yard-that was back when the old Mogollon Railway was in the yard.
The brick building (background) has a wooden "cupola" affair added to the skyline-that structure is removable and covers the AC thermostat.
The red wooden building in the center is the foundry and the other red wooden building at the right is the machine shop. I couldn't figure out what these 2 buildings were made of so I used "artistic license" and made them of wood. It didn't hurt that I have a rather large stock of ancient balsa wood, left to my by my friend Bill Caldwell (Mudge). In the top photo, you can see the Aztec mine in the distance. The wicked-looking locking tweezers seen in that photo are used to operate the L&P couplers, there are 8 of them scattered around the layout-wherever switching is performed.
Between the foundry and machine shop is the coal dump, along side the dual gauge siding. The AT&SF brought in coal there for the smelter & locos (I imagine). And behind the foundry is a water tank made from a Bachmann On30 tank car tank.
As you might guess, I don't throw nothin' away.
             More later...

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Hairpin Curve
I have been doing a little "dirty work" this weekend. Trying to get some scenery going on bare foam areas, I thought some landscaping needed to be added to the Hairpin Curve area. This is based on the scene that so long ago "infected" me with the Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon RR (shown on the first page of this thread). The landform in the real world really looked a bit too "tame" for me so I have added some more rocks, etc. that suit my fancy. It may not look exactly like the real landscape but this is what I want. Still to be done are more bushes, cactus, and DIRT. This photo is of the first train coming up grade from some mines through the newly "scenic-ed" area.



Little #1 still needs some more detailing and a firemen (there is an engineer in the cab)...perhaps that guy is the one shown looking at the train. Out of scale windows are in the background but imagination and some blue paint will suffice, after all this is a living room with a train layout...not a train layout hogging the living area.
The dirt & rocks come from my "secret stash" in the alley and driveway and are applied with a 1.5" paintbrush. I put finely sifted dirt in a bowl, add some "wet water", then some 50/50 Elmers and water until it becomes a slurry of mud and small stones. This is brushed all over the place and some dry dirt & more rocks added to suit. When it all dries, it stays in place and looks like it does in this photo. Yep, I just slop it on-just what Mother Nature does.

More pix will follow but I am back to running trains...

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Thanks for the dirty trick! :old dude:

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Here are a couple of "dirty views"...Hairpin Curve is getting mo' better dirt applications (mentioned before) and some scrub brush has "magically" grown. Maybe it's something in the dirt...





There are no structures anywhere on this loop area, just scenery and maybe the sheriff patrolling the barren waste. The top photo shows the approach trackage crossing Pinos Altos creek leading to the mining district-the Mina Grande and Phoenix mines. I did have to "adjust" the rocks along the inside of the curve due to the low overhang of the caboose's tool box. That rascal wanted to hit every little rock and dirt mound so it has been deemed the "clearance gauge" for all scenic work.
All the dirt seen has been "painted" on and then rocks, etc. dropped on while the mess was still wet. I don't know why I haven't used this method before, it sure beats sprinkling on little bits and using an eyedropper full of glue. This area is estimated to be around 20 sq. feet-a lot of real estate to be dirty-fied.

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Top quality dirt !!

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Down & Dirty in Dallas !!    
Very effective & doesn't break the Bank. Thanks for sharing the idea.

Regards,    Michael

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I like the way the train meanders through the scene-very tasty

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Agreed. Straight track is overrated!

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Love the "dry country" scenicing Woodie and your painted dirt ideas have been noted for future reference. I wonder if there'll ever be an opportunity to see a full panorama of SCNG, maybe an aerial shot!

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Doug...I'll see what I can do. Stay tuned.

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OK then...here begins some photos of what the layout looks like so far. Remember that nothing is finished, plenty more detail, landscape, flora & fauna, and whatever else I can think of. Begin at the smelter in Silver City.







Interior of the machine shop so far. There are lights also (not on here).




Lift out for bedroom access, smelter lead.



Yes, I still have a few tripods but will replace them later.


Switching problem being thought out. More trains than space on sidings.



Another lift out for kitchen access.



Liftout leads to corner unnamed mine.



From that mine is a grade to Hairpin Curve, limestone quarry siding below grade.



Begin Hairpin Curve...TV in background. After all, this IS a living room.





Trestle across Pinos Altos Creek from the curve.





Then to the mines at Pinos Altos-Mina Grande & Phoenix mines. New turntable is in the distance.

And that is all. No more track or sections, just lots of aforementioned "improvements". Operations have taken over other work at the moment.

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Amazing. Better than watching the Idiot's Lantern (TV) any day. More educational too !.

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my youngest so gave me a 42" flat panel tv for my birthday but i would rather look at Woodie's layout than the tv

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Hi Woodie.

Totaly AWESOME !

You have sure packed in a ton of action in the space.

'Switching the mines' looks like fun !

All the best.

Cheers.

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Thanks for the overall shots Woodie. I really like your layout.

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Superb Woodie and thanks for the pics. You've done a mountain of stuff in the time since the demise of Mogollon and the detail is great.

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Great to see it in it's totality.

Having a high ratio of cars to siding space can make switching moves challenging--to say the least.

Is/was the hairpin to gain elevation?

worth many moosies!

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Hi Woody,
It's looking very good - :bow::bow: :2t:
As Herb has said - There's a whole flock of Moosies on the loosie :bg:
I'm looking forward to seeing more details go in. Thanks for the overview of the Silver City Narrow Gauge run

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Herbie-the hairpin curve was a gain in elevation on the real thing, I didn't really need it but wanted to include the grade so the "force" would be maintained...I don't know, I just did it that way. On the overcrowded passing siding, I made that one to hold 4 cars & a loco each but forgot what I was doing when I added an extra car (plus a caboose) to the trains. I figgered out the move, just haven't actually fired up the lokies in a few days. Them damn little 1:35 scale crewmen are on strike I guess.
John-I have boxes full of neat details just waiting for some glue. It'll get there sometime.

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A funny thing happened on the way to the smelter
Or...what to do with old equipment that doesn't work any more.

I am working on a little scene located on the kitchen door lift-out using 2 old ore cars which had gotten kinda warped from years of being outside. On the real Silver City NG, roll-aways were almost an everyday occurance. This happened on a grade and one of the couplers broke while the cars were full of "high grade" ore. Of course, if the ore made it to the smelter, it was low grade...if it was lost in an accident, the insurance company was told that it was "highest grade".





So, here's what can be done with old worn-out cars. Some "ore", a couple of workmen, an old Model T, and later, some jacks, chain, and wood blocking.
Well, it's something interesting to do.

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Hi Woodie,
It's nice to see someone else with some scenery-grade rolling stock :bg:

You might need some more post-crash evidence for forensics - some busted ties, scattered dogspikes and a bent rail or two to convince the insurance assessors. And some wheel dragmarks from where the cars came off to where they fetched up, Just some more scenic opportunities ;)

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looking good and the "t" looks to be in better shape than a lot of them i have looked at

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Great ideas...I will add much more as time goes by. And I have an industrial Brownhoist crane which can be staged at the scene also. That track is mainline, trains come & go regularly.

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BROWNHOIST ! ... BROWNHOIST ! ... BROWNHOIST !

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HERE...HERE...HERE...for Si

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Wow, the layout is looking great, Woodie!

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I like the crane!

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I do too.

Don't remember seeing it on the old Mogolon tho---

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The Brownhoist was used to set the new enginehouse turntable in place on the old Mogollon Railway. Yep, it was around back then...dem good ol' days.

BTW-this TT was "reused" as the new end of the line in Pinos Altos.

I don't throw nothin' away...

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I love cranes!

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The real SCNG didn't have a Brownhoist but did have a steam crane. But until I build a "correct" model...the Brownhoist is IT.
The real SCNG didn't have a rod loco either but little Rosa from the Mogollon Railway was just too sweet to sit in a display case. She is now the mine switcher and needed a place to reside.
Reusing/recycling old models...
The Gila Tram on the old layout had a nice covered "station" built from old rail with a metal roof. Of course, it was too long since it covered a loco and 2 tourist cars so it got whacked on and is now Rosa's new home.



The cover is not attached to the Phoenix Mine's tipple. #3 stays under a roof until needed to move ore cars. The new turntable is to the right of this scene, the Shays can be turned for the trip back to the smelter.

Yes, I know that the Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon never had such equipment and didn't last until 1920 but at my house...it still lives and these things "could have been".  And the operators find that it is far easier to switch with Rosa than some cranky old Shay.

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Howdy Woodie.

Pleased to see 'Rosa' has a roof...
...don't want her to RUST !

Despite all Mogollons cool steamers...
...she is, I think, my favorite !

All the best

Cheers

Si.

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" HE'LL BE BACH ! "

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I like Rosa, I'm glad she has a shelter now.

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Rosa's "brother", #2 Rudy is the de-facto switcher at the smelter now. I just couldn't let these little lokies sit in a dusty case with the Garratt, articulated, and diesel. Anybody want to make an offer for them? Huh? Surely there must be hundreds of 35n2 modelers out there. I know at least 2.

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Woodie-About the same time you posted pics of your little narrow gauge crane, I came across this little guy on a road trip. Between your model and seeing a prototype crane, I think I need to build one myself. You could say I'm hooked...



I suspect some of Freerails readers will figure out the location-there are some clues in the photo. This same town has at least 4 (I counted 5 but only have pics of 4?) narrow gauge cranes still extant....I'm wondering if that some sort of record?

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Wonderful little dude! It has buffers but that don't mean it's furrin. Is that water in the background? Could it be Baja? I know that the Boleo (?) RR down there used 4 wheel cars, little Baldwins, and buffers.
But the crane is sooooo cool! Thanks for this one.

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I thought you would figure it out pretty quick. I really don't know much about them. I didnt realize there were so many of these little buggers left:


This little guy looks similar to the first one I posted:



This one is behind a fence and a little harder to get close too:




I didn't weigh them myself, but I think this is the beegist one:




Thats four-I thought there were five in the town of Santa Rosalia, which is the company town of the Boleo Co...my memory is getting fuzzier all the time.

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Those cranes are so cool. The first one of the last post is even propelled.

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Well, so much for buying a crane to truck home,
"To general public, Minera Boleo® informs that our company it is not doing any sell of equipment, we recommend be aware in order to not be deceived. The official site of Minera Boleo® is http://www.mmboleo.com" "Al público en general, Minera Boleo® informa que la empresa no está realizando ninguna venta de equipo, por lo que le pedimos esté atento para evitar caer en algún tipo de engaño. El único sitio oficial es http://www.mmboleo.com"

Someone other than me will understand all the significance of this,
"Reserves The mine contains an estimated 265Mt of measured and indicated copper, cobalt, zinc and manganese resources and 165Mt of inferred resources. The proven and probable reserves are estimated at 70Mt. "Mining activities at the Boleo project started in the first half of 2014." Geology The deposit lies within the late Miocene aged El Boleo Formation within fine to coarse clastic sedimentary rocks. The rocks lie unconformably over Comondú Volcanics, andesitic rocks belonging to the early or middle Miocene age. The andesitic rocks are underlain by Cretaceous aged granodiorite. The deposit hosts seven mineralised units or mantos designated as 0, 1, 2, 3AA, 3A, 3, and 4. Towards the east, the mantos dip gently. The position of the mantos represents a step-like pattern caused by faulting common throughout the deposit. The mantos are clay-rich with less than 1m thick laminated basal zones that lie beneath up to 20m thick intra-basin slump. Five coarsening upward sedimentation cycles that represent near-shore shallow marine basins with deltaic deposition characterise the El Boleo Formation. The lowermost unit is a limestone bearing unit measuring 1m to 5m in thickness. It occurs over very steep paleo-surfaces together with banding parallel to its base. The unit hosts cherty lenses and non-diagnostic fossil fragments. The limestone unit is overlain by an extensive, up to 80m thick, gypsum deposit. The unit is flat to shallow dipping with few dome or mound structures. It has laminated to massive and rarely brecaciated textures."
http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/boleoproject/


Interesting things Google coughs up.

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This might be good for the RAILROAD BOOKS thread but here is some great info: BAJA CALIFORNIA RAILWAYS by John A. Kirchner. Yep, it has Compagnie du Boleo and several other extremely obscure and cool little railroads that ran beyond the CA border. The Progreso Mining Co. was a tiny 22" gauge line...also detailed. Imagine the narrow gauges-36", 30", 24", & 22" (maybe a 20" and even 18" job).
I will write a review of this book in a bit, it makes me want to get down to Cabo and drink some Marge-Ritas en mass.

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The mine was up and running as of last week. It doesn't have any impact on the historic town.
One thing I haven't seen after looking around the internet is anyone having attempted to model it. Might be time to start a separate thread so Woodie can have his back...

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Now, some more Silver City stuff. In Duane's book (Silver City Narrow Gauge) he mentioned that there may have been some new ore cars built with larger capacity but there is no information available. Well, I took that to mean that I could build such a car or several. I actually built 5 of these "improved" design cars several years ago and they were the last new ore cars used on the old Mogollon Railway. I imagined that they would have a larger ore bin and be a bit longer with about a 30,000 pound capacity. So, shown once in the old thread, here is another view with one of the SC's original cars, built by friend James Sullivan.



On the right is the "old style" and on left is the "improved" model. These are similar to the Cananea Copper Co's wooden ore gons but are made of metal, welded up (no pesky rivets to confuse counters).
In the background is the large slag pile seen in almost all photos of the Silver City smelter.

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Howdy Woodie.

Great photo !
I love the 'forest' of chimneys in the background...
...very industrial !

Can't quite tell, but the mooodern car looks a tad longer ?
What length are the underframes ?
14ft old & 16ft mooodern ??
Or something ?

What's the story on the ore-car in the background-left ?
Is that another James car ?

:moose:

Cheers.

Si.

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Golly Si...I never really measured the cars, just built them to "look right". I'm sure that James built them to a specific scale length, my cars are the same. The new cars are just about a "scale foot" longer but the ore bins are larger. The cars ARE 5' wide...similar to Phase 3 Gilpin cars.They may be the same length...sorry about the lack of important info.
The car in the background is one of my old ones (19 in all) so with those, James's 10 (5 unfinished), and the 5 larger cars...that's 34 ore cars plus maybe 10 other cars of various description.
Hope some of this helps.

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FORCED PERSPECTIVE comes to Silver City. I'm working on some new stuff and thought that I would use some "modelers' license" for this one. On the upper bridge coming into the Aztec mine, I tried something different...there is a "baby gauge" line that brings ore to this mine and it has a small "critter" and some tiny 8 wheel ore cars, These are a combination of Grandt Line On2 Gilpin cars and a very old HOn30 mechanism from a little gas/mechanical. I put an old Bachmann diesel motor on the critter and a 1:48 figure in the seat...and it actually does the job.



Everything else is 1:35 scale but the smaller details seem to fit in OK.The bridge is an old Atlas HO job which worked out just right. Sorry about the horrid photo but until I get another Photoshop program installed, this is what it is.

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Photo is fine Woody. So is your modeler's license. I enjoy mine, glad I studied for it. :glad:

The little train looks good back there. I just read about forced perspective last night in an old magazine. The large factory in their example actually got smaller as it got farther away. It worked really well... except maybe for the guys working inside.:old dude:

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Well, I'm thinking that I might find a slightly larger guy for the loco or maybe carve up a 1:35 guy a bit. The trains look OK but the figure is rather small (now that I see it in a picture). There is only about 24" or so of depth so I have to be careful... still working on all this.

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Hi Woodie.

Nice scene !

Some 1:35 dudes are a bit smaller...
...I think Tamiya figs. tend to be a wee bit smaller than some.
The Eastern-Front ones look bulky with clothes.
The North-African ones seem smaller, less big coats.
Mmm ...

If you want an ACE photo-program, just as good as P.S. & FREE !
Check out 'The GIMP'
(General Image Manipulation Program)
Works EXACTLY the same as P.S.
Open Source type prog.
Been around for years, regularly updated.

Google it & follow the trail to FREE download.
Mooset recommended !!

:moose:

Si.

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Thanks Si...will check it out. OK then, I replaced the "Oscale" guy with a 1:35 guy who is stooping over somewhat and not painted but looks to be a bit better. Again, backdrop and scenery lovers won't appreciate this but it is work under way.



The little tipple in the foreground is yet another mine, somewhere over the rainbow or maybe in Kansas...The old truck started out as a "1:32 scale" Renault touring car from a long, long ago kit. Makes a nice old "Mack wannabe" or something, maybe an old Packard? Sooo...nerts to "forced perspective", I ain't got room to do it right (or wrong).

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Here's another "recycled" model from the old Mogollon Railway.



The supt's Model T is shown here on Hairpin Curve. No, the SCPA&M didn't own one of these but they probably would have if the RR existed in 1920. I just couldn't resist.

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Love it!

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Howdy Woodie.

That front-wing on the Supers T, must add a ton of downforce !

If I had an awesome speeder like that...
...I'd run it all the time !

Great when you've had a gallon of coffee & the Shays are just too slow.

Great scene Mr. Greene !

That 'Woodieland Scenics' rock-material...
...makes 'real' rocks look fake to me !

Woodieland Scenics ROCKS dude !

Not even $0.50c a bag either.

:moose:

Si.

Just can't find any quality dirt around here ...

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Woodie,

The inspection car looks great. I like the appearance of the track work and hillside, too.

Keith

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Si, the Shays run faster than this thing!

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fantastic :moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Here's something that I built a long time back, forgot about it, and may put it somewhere on the layout. Anyone know what it is? Nope, ain't any Moosies for a prize but Ed McMahon may show up at your door with a check for one million doo-dahs.

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Monorail featured in the Gazette a year or two or three ago.

My Gazette disc is put away or I would look it up.

Excellent model sir.

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I thought it was the predecessor to the DeLorean!

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Bill, look up Epsom Salts Monorail on the net. Mine is not a copy of their "locos" but has the feel. Maybe a "hot rod-sport model" monorail loco. The SCNG didn't connect with any monorails but who knows, maybe one of the mines had one. My justification for dusting off this old dude and making some "A" frame track.

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Be sure when laying the track to get the gage correct!  ;);)

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fine looking machine wish i could have seen it in person

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Your 'sport-model' monorail loco looks superb. Did it run on a previous layout ?.

Regards,             Michael

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Michael, on my previous layout I only had room for about 3 feet of track. I seem to have other things to operate than that one! On my On20 Mogollon Railway (July/August NG&SL 2000), I did make a monorail which ran. It was a pain in the ass and after I built it, I ran it a couple of times...just so I could actually say-"yes, it runs". Using r/c, I have figured out how to make something like this operate but maybe someday, sometime, someplace.

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Hi Woodie. :cb:

I know you've got an eye for a good figure !

I thought this 'Zombieland #35175 Road To Freedom' set would be great for the layout !



The guy crawling along the ground could be a miner on Friday nite...
...looking for his Model-T keys he dropped in the bars parking lot.

The dude wearing overalls about to stop some lead...
...would be perfect for pushing a large heavy ore car.

The Taxi-Driver with his left-arm up in the air is a natural...
...perfect engineer figure leaning on the side of the cab.

The very-angry female cop has got all kinds of possible uses !!

No motorcycle included with the figures Woodie...
...but I know you got a load of bikes already.

:moose:

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I like that monorail!

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This has been an awesome read, some of the best weathering I have ever seen.....

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Howdy gents...I have been working on a "little project" lately, not related to model railroading but to "vanishing Americana". More on this later. But just to show that I have been fiddling with the layout, I have these 2 photos with funky backgrounds. I was running some empty ore cars to the mines and a filled water car. Out on the Hairpin Curve, a local fellow flagged down the train to get a little water for his cattle. There's a drought in the Gila Rim right now but things will get better.





The old Gilpin Tram water car comes in very handy at times like this.

I was just running a train tonight and thought that I might "revive" this thread with this little tableaux. Now...back to work!

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I've never seen a working model monorail. Very impressive Mr Greene !.

But how do you fill the donkey cart tank from the railroad water car ?.

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Howdy Michael...you can't see it in the photos but there's a Fairbanks-Morse steam pump on one end of the tank car which can siphon water out and fill the little tank. I was more into the operation than the photo but thought it might work out OK.
The working monorail was on my old On20 layout about 15 years ago. The one shown here is 1:35 scale and just a static piece. It wouldn't be too hard to make one that large operate, I have thought about it but have too much other stuff to waste time on!

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Never really spent much time thinking about monorails, but did they have switches?

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Duane, they had "transfer tables", at least the Epsom Salts monorail did. I built it on the Mogollon Railway, it didn't work but just looked funky.

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I like the 'water' scene Woodie. We have a real water wagon like that sitting just up the street from me. I need to model it one day.

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Oh I like that monorail. :moose::moose::wave:

Reminds me of stuff over the pond and halfway round the world. :!:

I seem to remember a little no gauge railroad in India that ran on one rail next to the road, the other wheel was on the road. the one visible outrigger reminded me of that:cb::cool:

Found It:cb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patiala_State_Monorail_Trainways

Found this too:old dude:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Behr_Monorail.jpg

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From Wikipedia, notice the last paragraph:P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monorail_history#Early_developments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lartigue_Monorail

"The earliest patent for a vehicle designed to run on a single rail can be traced to UK patent No 4618 dated 22 November 1821. The inventor was Henry Robinson Palmer, who described it as 'a single line of rail, supported at such height from the ground as to allow the centre of gravity of the carriages to be below the upper surface of the rail'. The vehicles straddled the rail, rather like a pair of pannier baskets on a mule......

By the end of the 19th Century, the main protagonists for the monorail where Charles Lartigue and F. B. Behr. Lartigue constructed Palmer monorails in Algeria to transport esparto grass, to replace mules and camels, although the motive power is recorded as 'animal'. He also demonstrated his ideas in Paris (1884), Westminster (1886), Tours (1889), St Petersburg (1894), Long Island (1894) and Brussels (1897). Behr proposed a high speed monorail between Liverpool and Manchester, but construction never started through lack of financial support.

The most famous Lartigue monorail was the Listowel and Ballybunion Railway, in Ireland, which stayed in service from 1888 until 1924.[5] Part of this railway survives as a preserved railway and tourist attraction.[6][7]

The last Lartigue design was built in 1924 between a magnesium mine at Crystal Hills, about 100 miles north of Los Angeles, and a railhead in Trona, California. This used petrol driven locomotives, and mounted the rail on a set of wooden A frames."

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Howdy TC, The Gazette published an article about the Indian monorail with the wheel on the side. Very cool indeed. My favorite is the Epsom Salts monorail in Nevada, also in the Gazette.
Unfortunately, I don't have any plans for a monorail on this new layout...yet!

Duane-check out the "curved monorail turntable" in the Listowel & Ballybunion link that TC posted above. I had seen it before but like all things at my age...what was that all about???

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Hmm, I don't yet have that DVD :sad:

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W C Greene wrote: Howdy Michael...you can't see it in the photos but there's a Fairbanks-Morse steam pump on one end of the tank car which can siphon water out and fill the little tank.

Aha !  - hence the coil of small bore pipe lying atop the rail tank ?. Damn, I thought I had caught you out Mr Greene !

Thanks 'TC' - great link to fascinating forgotten stuff. I recall once seeing a photo of what seemed to be a moveable switch on the Ballybunion. To be sure.....or maybe not ?.

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I was searching for something in the "back room" and came across a bit of the old Mogollon Railway which needed someplace to be seen. Plus, the discovery caused me to look back at an old thread here and remember the late Verne Niner (Miner49er)'s discussion about mercury stills. Used in the smelting process, mercury was distilled from certain ores (cinnabar) and, of course, was and is highly toxic. The still structures were located away from the mills and smelters due to the fumes, etc.



Here's the little mercury still I built several years ago. Yes, it's too close to the smelter but with all the nasty smoke and pollution in the area, I figured "what the hell!". I had several packs of Grandt Line O scale mine car track and switches and the "makings" of a tiny mercury car so I built this little scene. Of course there's a lot more detailing to do here (and at the smelter also) but it is coming together.
The still was made from a block of blue styrofoam with Plastruct fieldstone covering and styrene fire doors. I intend to make the smokestack taller but just had to run with this project.
Again, thanks to Verne for his inspiration and his fine modeling.

***the roof and smokestack aren't tilted, it appears that the camera made the illusion***

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I did a little bit more to the mercury still scene:



I built a couple of "cars" for this operation. The larger car is an ancient ROCO HOn30 car, it has some "cinnabar" (red rocks) as a load. The workman is pushing a small flat car with a metal canister, which has the mercury, to the smelter. I'm glad that I bought & hoarded so much GL mine car track, it almost got used up by this scene. The workman is a 1:35 reworked military figure given to me by James Sullivan. The nice red cinnabar is some of the real Silver City ore supplied by Duane Ericson.
There's more to be added but I want to operate trains right now.

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Woody-next time I am up at some of our local mercury mines Ill pick you up some authentic cinnabar ore-it is a very distinct, and purdy rock. Before someone asks, no it isn't toxic or that nasty as long as Woody refrains from licking it...

Back in the good old days almost everyone involved with processing cinnabar got a condition referred to as "salivation."

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ROAD TRIP! I should take a ride over to the local mercury mine myself. I haven't been over there for years. Need pictures of what remains of the equipment and diggings and a few samples of rock to lick on the way home.

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Camera-lusions Woodie. Slanted roof or not, I like that little scene. Nice job!

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Slobbering from licking cinnabar?

Nah--for me, it's Woodies modeling!

Whatever wets yer chin

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I'm still lickin' on the rocks. Looked on de net and found what cinnabar looks like...several different examples. The one I liked is indeed red with bits of what looks like silver (mercury?) around the edges and running through it in veins. I don't know if I have the patience to paint silver streaks on tiny rocks...but maybe after I lick some of it. Or maybe I'll just find a cane toad to lick on. I'm sure the OZ guys would send me some.

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When you get done licking the toads, you can play golf with them, I've heard.

Well, I didn't say that right... use them as golf balls. They are too short to swing clubs well enough to play golf themselves. :bg:

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Don't they cause a lot of cleanup problems in the grenade launcher?

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Well, cane toad sucking aside...here's an "old photo" I discovered of the Phoenix mine near Pinos Altos. The actual mine itself is about a mile away and has this "baby gauge" line that brings the ore to the tipple. One wrong step and a worker can fall about 25 feet to the rocks below.



The loco came from an Arizona operation and is about as crude as they come!

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Interesting vintage photo. Do you have any more info on the mine?

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Great modeling Woodie!

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Howdy Ken, there was a Phoenix mine on the SCPA&M but as far as I know, there are no photos. A nice sized mine that could support it's own railway would probably use more real estate than I have available. I am "attempting" to paint/draw a mine on the hillside backdrop behind this scene but I'm not an artist so it's still in the "get around to it" stage. The nice metal tipple (partially shown) was used on the Mogollon Railway/Chupacabra mine...another case of "re-purposing" or just being too lazy to build a new tipple!

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I'll be watching for sure. I have limited space on my little layout and lots of ideas for what should be there. The backdrop may have lots of things.

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And this old B&W photo of little #1 taking water & coal at the coal dock. Those 2 guys are taking a break after filling #1's bunker with coal. This Shay has had a "fresh" coat of paint, the cab needs some work but will have to do for now. The mines are working and ore needs to be brought down the mountain to the smelter.

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Woodie,

That's a great photo of the Shay. There's a lot of interesting stuff happening in the background, in the smelter area, too.

Really looking forward to the next installment of the SC, PA & M chronicles!

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Here are a couple more B&W photos. Now that I am getting used to the photo editing, which is part of Windows 10, it has become easier than what I worked with in Photoshop! Imagine...something is easier!



Here are some workers "taking a break" while one guy works under the old Ford and two horses oversee the situation. Si's favorite Brownhoist sits in front of one of the enginehouse stalls. When its needed, there is a somewhat complicated routine for getting this machine out on the main line.



#4 is shown in front of the foundry, the caboose is getting a new L&P coupler pocket fabricated. Behind #4 is the old ex Gilpin Tram/Mogollon Ry metal water car.

Now, why are these photos in black & white? Well, I like the medium and just imagine that there was no color film available to the photographer in 1920. OK, I will post some more pix in color but (to me), this looks mo' better.

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OK, here's one in "living color"...




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Love it Woodie! Is the guy to the left of the front of the pickup (the one with the dog) sitting on a car seat? I remember way back when... my uncle worked for Greyhound Bus company and my grandpa had a couple of bus seats sitting under the shade tree in the yard. Miss those days...

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I like both photos 4 moosies

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Howdy Ken, in fact the seat is a 1915 Model T seat.
Charles, Color is fine but the B&W photos seem to set the era.

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I agree Woodie

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Woodie,

I like the mood in the black and white photos!  Looking forward to the next photos of your progress!

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I guess that to me it boils down to-- are you modeling a scene, or a  B&W photo?

Can't tell you the number of times that I stared at a B&W trolley photo, trying to figure out what color the car was.

Color for me, please---

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OK Herbert, a bit o' color.
There was a need for an old glass-top gas pump to fuel the Supt's Model T so I decided to make one. I looked and couldn't find anything like a gas pump for 1:35/1:32 scale...some old "Euro-style", but no US style jobs. I had made one for a little 1:48 diorama so I thought that some junk box crap might be useful. The pump's metal covering needed to have a gentle taper to the top so I used what I did before, cut a piece of an "artist's" paintbrush handle to represent this. I couldn't find any clear plastic/glass for the top but did find an old ballpoint pen body with frosted barrel which looked OK. The rest is bits of wire, tubing, some unknown plastic discs, and as luck would have it, a neat handle which was 1:48 but when I added a new spout, it looks fine.




I need to make a proper concrete base and some other stuff and paint to suit. I have some unreadable decals which might work for pump info, etc.  Yes, I did follow a prototype photo from "de net" so the dimensions appear right.

Another pic when all done, but I wanted to show what can be made from junk, trash, this n' that, and cast off parts. Oh yes, I need to build a small gas tank sitting on a metal structure for the supply. .....Then, some kind of gasoline truck to deliver the gas, what have I started???!!!

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... & an oilwell to drill for the gas ! ( + refinery of course )

Mobil :moose: Gas

Great model Woodie.
Plenty of gas for the Brownhoist !

Good to see the Herb 'O' Blast, high-explosive car, is at a safe distance !

The pump-operator looks greyer than Wolfgang...
...try some pink-blobs !

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Nice work.

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Good job on the pump Woodie. I've found that, like people, the visible gas pumps came in all sizes and varieties. I have this picture of my wife's grandpa at his station in Ohio, sometime in the 30's. Grandpa was about 6'-2". Look at the pumps at his station...

Original image, scanned...



Kinda, sorta cropped and black and white version. Note that there is a regular and ethyl pump. Hoses and base are different colors. I like visible pumps.



Also, note how tall the glass is on the pump on the right. I had never noticed that before.

I took the liberty of modeling his station, using card and foam core, all from scratch. Of course I made it larger and changed it some, now it is too large for the space I have for it. I may give it to my grandson and make a smaller version.

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Nice Job Woodie!

'Course you know that I would have given you #@#$%^ if I didn't like it, so I guess that self-preservation entered into the effort! ;)

Way to go,buddy.

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Good job Woodie and Nevadablue

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Ken, love the station. Especially that it is modeled on something in the family. Makes a big difference. I have some older Texaco decals somewhere, if I find them....

Herb, I just do what I can! I have changed things a bit already and will post a shot of the "finished" fuel supply soon.

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Go to Pinterest and look for gas pumps/vintage gas pumps. You'll find very detailed photos there, e. g. this one

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Thanks Helmut, as with most modeling there's a prototype for everything! I am trying (?) to make this stuff look fairly new since my era is about 1920. A complete change from when I wanted to make everything funky and rusty. Even something simple like a gas pump takes a good bit of research.

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I even found one yesterday that has a 'cloudy' tank, so again, a prototype for everything.

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The cloudy tank is from the sandstorm:bg:

Course since it is used by the Super the post got another coat of paint:cb:

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OK guys, the frosted "glass" is replaced by some clear rod, there are supports holding the top in place, and a base. The pump is attached to a small platform which will sit near the water & coal facilities. The little gas storage tank on supports is an old HO part. The gas tanks are copies of some 1920 types found on the net. They look a lot like small milk cans, so guess what I made them from...



There is a bit of rust on the base since this thing sits outside. Next it will be stuck down on the layout and some more crap added.
BTW-the F80 ash tray in the background holds small NBW's, no ashes.

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Looking good!

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Hmm, An Idea suggestion.:!:
How bout switch the ladder to the platform side. Just sayin.
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Thanks for pointing out to us Easterners that out there in the ''badlands'' gas is so viscous that it has to be pumped from a tank that is at a higher elevation---or is it the weak gravity in the region?
 

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Well, most of the old gas stations I have seen seem to have an elevated gasoline storage tank out behind or to the side of the structure. Maybe that's just a "Texas thing"? Anyway, this affair sits on smelter/RR property and is in a confined area where loco servicing is and a large coal dump for both locos and smelter boilers. The ladder on the tank needs to be accessible to the guy who shows up with a truck full of gasoline which is pumped into the tank with a hand pump.
But gasoline isn't the only thing in this area...the little mercury still I built long ago and installed nearby has been replaced with some tumble-down brick rubble and junk. The stills were located a good ways from anything due to really nasty smoke, etc. and with the new gasoline depot it was in the way. I left the tiny track in place and now have some "space" to fill with junque.
OK, there will be a full-length photo display of all these developments.


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hmmm... I thought that the elevated tank was for diesel. It doesn't evaporate like gas does in a tank out in the sun.
I still have diesel and gasoline in elevated tanks very much like that one. Both of them are on stands made from mine rail.

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Nice work, Woodie. I really like the revised gas pump.

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I mentioned the infamous mercury still and how they were located a ways from the smelter due to nasty, toxic fumes. The still had an "accident" and "blew it's top"...or just got overused and fell apart. Anyway, the story is that the still was used before the 2 foot gauge railroad was built at the smelter and fell into disuse afterward. Here are a couple of photos (color for Mr Kephart) of what's going on now.



I made some Durham's water putty walls with carved stonework and built what I imagined was inside the still. There was a fire below the cinnabar rocks and the mercury simply "melted" out and ran down the spout to the "flask" and was hauled into the smelter. This is represented with broken stonework, small bits of unburned coal, and ashes from Pam's ashtray (yes, she smokes...bad, bad girl). The track is a bit of Grandt O scale mine track...works out to about 15" gauge in this scale.




Now, the mercury is distilled a mile away and then brought to the smelter in flasks, transported by this old truck. The remains of the small tramway is still used to transport the mercury into the smelter, just like before. Since more mercury is needed, more is produced by the off-site still. The mercury "flasks" are jewelry stuff which look just like what was used to hold the toxic stuff. Yep, more "detailing" is to be done but this is the scheme...for now.

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Nothing makes a model come to life more than an active scene with a truly plausible back story. Great modeling and nice pictures.

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Mr Greene

First, let me offer my sincere <ha!> thanks for the color--easier on the olde eyes. Great scene, --that's what we have come to expect from you!

I would guess that you copied a picture of a still, or at least the remains of one--so allow me to ask a technical question. Where, in this equipment, did the mercury/air vapor condense the liquid metal out? If it was in that tilted pipe, running down to the flask, it's no wonder that everything died for miles around---the process must have only captured half the metal--

Has there been any effort to re-process the discarded cinnabar residue  in recent years? Mercury might not be worth that much anymore---probably better questions for Keith

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Herb-I haven't been able to find photos/drawings of the inside of an old mercury still. On de net, there are schematic drawings of how it's done nowadays but nothing about the "old fashioned" way. From what I "understand", these things were very simple...got a hot fire going below and "cooked" the cinnabar rock on an upper level "grill" until the mercury melted out and ran down the tube to the flask. With that in mind, I built the "imagineered" still innards as best I could. The still model I showed in earlier posts was simply a block of styrofoam with Plastruct rock sheet wrapped around. Simple is as simple does.
Howdy Bob, thanks...I try to think of everything even if it's crazy.



Here's the old still, too close to the smelter. The "new" one is several hundred feet away.

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" The still had an 'accident' "

Howdy Woodie.

Another masterpiece !

You are fer sure Freerails very own Leonardo Da Vinci ...
... of the 'hit by space-junk' look !!

Great scene !

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I think your model is fine Woodie.

This image is typical of how mercury is obtained from the cinnabar ore.



This would be how it was done usually. Cinnabar, the ore, is mercury sulfide. It must be roasted to burn off the sulfur and vaporize the mercury. The mercury vapor has to be condensed by cooling, usually with water. Very similar to an alcohol still, except that the ore is burned, not just heated.

I must go out and get pictures of the old mine and mill remains just south of me.

I think your model is a very simplified version of the one in the picture. Crushed ore would be roasted in a retort and the vapor directed into something to cool it, and the mercury would then drip out of the cooler.

Probably something like this. It is just a container where the ore is heated and the vapor goes to the top and condenses to the left.

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Thanks Ken...I'm pretty sure that the act of distilling mercury is fairly simple, at least in them olden days. However, even with my ignoramus approach to the process, I did get ONE thing close...the shape of the flask that held the mercury! I do have a rotating furnace for the smelter but have no info about it, I just like the way it looks...lots of "moving parts" and that all important feature-detail! Just imagine that the condensing parts, etc. got wasted when the still "blew up" or whatever happened.
Now, I must run a train, something that I DO know how to do.

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NOW, FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:  A 1:35 scale standard gauge coal car...
         For some time, I have wanted to include another standard gauge car near the smelter. There is a coal dock at the end of a dual gauge siding-beside the machine shop- and I wanted to include a standard gauge coal car next to it. I felt that this would "set the scale" and besides, I needed something else to work on. Enough (for now) of mercury stills and gasoline pumps. Here's something new & different...



A Texas & Pacific Coal Co. coal gondola. The T&PCCo was an effort of the T&P to actually reach the Pacific Ocean and it made it into New Mexico finally. I thought that would be a nice road to own this car. Of course it is 1:35 scale, built of basswood & balsa with a bunch of Grandt Line NBW's stuck in the right places. Not having any "proper" 1:35 knuckle couplers or air hoses, I used a pair of 1:48 couplers given to me by Mr. Kephart long ago. The trucks, now there's a story. They were/are old New Bright toy train truck side frames which scale out to damn close to 35 scale. They are archbar types, still need journal box lids, but I used a pair of O scale passenger car wheels which are about 60 to 70 years old and made the rest. You can't really see them here, I will try to take a much better, well lighted, and non fuzzy shot of this car and post it here instead of this one. I just had to show what I have slaved over for a couple of days. Wheeew!

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LIKE it! Where's those meese...

You gave me an idea for my languishing layout. I have 3 gauges of track; 15", 2 foot and standard. The standard is an interface to town by the UP. Now I need to build a coal loader/transfer point to move coal from the mine, via 15" line, to the transfer point and into a SG gondola. Cool! Thanks for the idea Woodie.

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Great car, Woodie!!

I had forgotten about those couplers, but that's to be expected from someone who can't remember what day it is.-----

Is it going to get a partial load of coal?

Keep on chuggin, my friend!

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Herb, yes it will have about a half load with a couple of dudes inside with shovels "working". This car, after all, is just a static scene and will be stuck down to the rails where it sits now. Coal loading/shoveling is a dirty business so there will be plenty of coal dust all around. I suppose that the 1:48 couplers, etc. would worry "punters" but then, I haven't seen any of their work (maybe too much time is spent picking rather than modeling!) so it remains as is.

I forgot to mention that instead of making a nice frame like Si is doing, I used the New Brite plastic horror under it all. Sure saved a bunch of building...which would never be seen.

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Hello Mr Greene, Sir.  Nicely atmospheric modelling.

Is there a story to the single point rail switch beside the "old" mercury still ?.

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Howdy Michael, the single point switch ("kick switch") was used on small gauge mine tracks. You just kicked the point one way or the other when needed. In some earlier posts by Charlie, there are photos of the real thing. I don't think a single point switch would be suitable for a locomotive to run across, just man or mule power. I believe such switches were used on trolley lines however, Herb can supply more info on that.
In this story, the small tracks ran into the smelter so the mercury could be brought in easily.

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Thanks Woodie. Here is a photo of "the real thing" built a few years back to see if it would work. Your are correct about about having to use it with respect - on this cable hauled section from the main adit into the mill the cable haulage has to be slowed right down and the tub gently 'eased' over the switch. Derailments not unknown !!.

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At least in Albania, they even ran mine locos across. There's a video on youtube showing this plus the most incredible overhead operation.

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Holy Moses!.
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Yes, I remember that video...several years back, on another website, this video was popular and several of the guys (including me) were interested in how we could make "old sparky" into a working model-complete with sparks flying while it rattled down the tracks. As far as I know, nobody (including me) could figure out how to make something like this work and have sparks like that.
Thanks for reminding me that some things just can't be modeled...unless someone here actually does make such a model. Well come on, I double-dog dare ya!

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Making a model is easy - just choose say 1:2 scale on 10.25" track, set the DC ( it must be that ) voltage to 48V and install a good-sized 1..2kW Motor in your loco. The voltage won't kill you when touched inadvertently, and you'll see how those sparks fly when pulling a rake of some tubs along ( you have to make them too ). Within 2 yrs. you might be ready for operation when starting from scratch:wave:

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Helmut...I'll be right there, working out the "bugs", taking care of........aww nuts! You might remember that this was the main topic of conversation on the FS32NG site years ago. What fun!!!

Now, last BS on the static standard gauge coal car. A before & after comparison of the New Brite toy train truck and what I did to change it a bit.



Sorry Herb, this one just has to be B&W...All I did was cut the side frames off the bolsters, find 4 pair of ancient O scale passenger car wheels, make new bolsters and axles, and attach journal box lids over the holes in the journals.
Not much work but the reworked trucks (really just the side frames) look more scale, the toy frames are around 5' 6" WB in 1:35 scale-just about right! And I still have another pair of trucks to use if I need them. Now where's some more O scale wheels??? Hmmm...

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Something I have been fiddling with...a Lidgerwood steam hoist.



The SCPA&M owned a hoist, not a Brownhoist, so I thought that I had better make one. The Brownhoist is still around but with me trying to "replicate" a real prototype as best as I can, here is another pretty much static detail.
In an old NG&SL Gazette(May/June 1992), Keith Pashina published plans for this hoist along with plans for other SCPA&M ore cars, etc. There is only one photo which shows this thing and it is partially hidden by locomotives at the SC enginehouse so Keith's plan would be as close as can be determined. I followed his plan but changed a couple of details to better suit the available "stuff" I used to build it. The boiler is from a Bachmann On30 Shay, the hoist mechanism is from an old toy car with some metal wheels and the cylinder assembly from some old HO loco in the junk box. The boom has been in my way for some time, used for some other unknown crane of long ago. The flat car used to be the Brownhoist's tender car. And the wooden coal box at the rear is directly from Keith's plan.
In building this I was able to use some stuff that had been laying around as "detailing" and I now have a "replica" of what the real railroad had. This also gave me something to do rather than sit in the hot sun and wait for 15 minutes of July 4th fireworks. Happy Independence Day ya'll...

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Hi Woodie, Your hoist looks great. I like the way you use left over stuff to create some of your models. Being on a retirement income I try to use up what I have on hand too.

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:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

LIDGERWOOD-HOIST !!! ... LIDGERWOOD-HOIST !!! ... LIDGERWOOD-HOIST !!!

Howdy Woodie :cb:

The new hoist looks as AWESOME as your last one !

If it ever gets too crowded, hoist wise, around there...
...you could always get rid of one.
Send it USPS to :- Si, London, UK.

;)

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

:rah::rah: Happy 4th of July ! :rah::rah:

( Down with the British ! )

LIDGERWOOD-HOIST !!! ... LIDGERWOOD-HOIST !!! ... LIDGERWOOD-HOIST !!!

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OK then...While in between "assignments" (read butt-whoopin'), I staged a little scene to compare with another scene. Sure they are a bit different but then again they are about 13 years apart (in theory).



Here is a cropped photo of the Silver City enginehouse, shown in Duane Ericson's SILVER CITY NARROW GAUGE book and also in a Gazette article by Keith Pashina. I trust they won't sue me! The Lidgerwood hoist is barely visible (the only known photo) next to what looks like little #1.
Here's my "take" on the same scene:



I know that Herb is seething now since I have posted another B&W photo but I just couldn't resist...the devil made me do it! The hoist's boom is visible just behind #1.
As can be seen, by 1920, infernal combustion autos have entered the scene.
Now, back to my real job of mowing yards and cleaning dog poop...for no money!

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I will give you a pass on that one Woodie, because you and I both know that if you posted the 1/35 scene in color, I would have demanded proof that the colors were correct (both hue, and intensity) by your providing a color shot of the 1/1 scene.

Carry on the great work compadre, I see that the area is starting to get ''fleshed out'' (not like the balcony of the old Mogollon hotel) with the little details, that you have an eye for. Your figures always seem to belong in the scene, in spite of not volunteering for that duty.

Herbie

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Alright Herb...Let the nits & picks fly! IN LIVING COLOR!




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Woodie,

I really like how you recreated the engine house scene - it looks very good in both B&W and color. That hoist car always intrigued me - I wonder how stable it was running down the track - it always seemed like it would be top -heavy.

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Nice work Woodie, I like it all! :glad:

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ONWARD, etc...

Here are a couple of shots showing that I do indeed work on things.



I put signs on the machine shop & foundry because viewers didn't know what was what and operators didn't know where to spot cars "at the machine shop" or "in the foundry". Now they have a clue. The new signs still need some dirtification. Also seen is a bit of the dual gauge siding, standard and 2 foot gauge, which leads to the coal dump.



Here's one of inside the machine shop. A little fuzzy but it will do for now. As can be seen, one side is left off so the visitors and I can see the stuff inside. The crew is working on an old Waterloo Boy tractor while the blacksmith (barely seen behind the forge & smoke hood) makes a new part. The shop is lighted so all can appreciate the spider webs and "details". Needless to say, there is lots more to be done which will keep me busy for the next 45 or 50 years.

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nice work how do you make scale spider webs

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Howdy Charles, those are real spider webs. You've heard of Cob Spiders? Cob webs? Years ago, I had an "infestation" of the little beasts in a 1:48 shop building. Viewers asked how I did the webs and all I could reply is the spiders did it! I never did see them until one day, I spotted one in the rafters. I got out a scale ruler (this is a true story!) and managed to get an approx. size of the tiny beast. It appeared to be about 3 or 4 1:48 scale inches, about the size of a tarantula. OK, that might mean that I had LIVING scale spiders among the details.
I figure that in 1:35 scale, they may be 1.5" to 2" or so...we got spiders that big here in Texas & New Mexico anyway! So, yes I have real living scale spiders in the machine shop. Let's hear from those who pick on nits!

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I remember that now getting old memory not so good any more

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Let's hear from those who pick on nits!

Me first!. Mitts may work as scale cockroaches. Small earthworms as large pythons...
Jose.

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What size mitts?  Catcher's?

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Nits are for nitwits... I think. :mex:

I usually end up with artificial spider webs all over the place when I use the hot glue gun. A butane fire lighter makes them disappear. :old dude:

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Lastly, another old grainy photo from the way back machine...

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W C Greene wrote:

Lastly, another old grainy photo ...

Which shows more recognizable details of the scene than a colour photo does. IMHO colours blend into each other and make small details invisible.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

AWESOME scene...
&
...AWESOME photo !

(I was pulling your leg a while back BTW...
...about B&W looking like Moscow TVs '80s gameshows !!!!!
Niet comrade, NIET !)

Or just NEAT ! as the say in Texas :cb:

Caught a great '70s Oscar-winning flick on the tube the other night.

Peter Bogdanovich's 'The Last Picture Show'...
...is not only superbly acted, scripted etc. etc.
It's shot in fantastic BLACK & WHITE Panavision...
...by I think Robert Surtees, who went on to do further amazing films.

A Texas small town in the 1950s is the theme.
A MUST SEE !

:moose:

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Love it Woodie! I had to go back and read about the machine shop. I missed the first photo.
I have a Waterloo Boy tractor in my scale... that's a great idea to put it in the shop for some repair. Must remember...

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As your cat Jake would say, Purrrrfection!

Gromit's daddy.

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A couple of photos showing a new addition-a hoist and platform built on the side of a hill behind the Phoenix mine tipple. The "baby gauge" 20" tram is now able to haul supplies to the mine instead of relying on a mule or wagon to bring things up. The hoist is of the "armstrong" variety, like most everything out here on the Gila Rim.

***Please note that this scene is still "under construction" and needs some TLC***

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I'm glad to see that you are treating the employees better Woodie. That little loco will save a lot of backs I'm sure.

Nice work!

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And one last one, a very "atmospheric" photo, of the inside of the machine shop.



I kinda like this one, it looks like you could get really greasy and oily just walking inside.

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Howdy Woodie.

Great hoist & interior !!

Now where's my oily rag .. ?

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love that hoist, may steal that idea for part of my layout if i may

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Sure you can! The wooden parts are made from basswood, the "gussets" are styrene with rivets embossed, the hoist mechanism is made from some old gears and small wheels, the large pulley is a toy car wheel turned down to make it look OK, the "cable" is flexible thread from the craft store, and some Grandt NBW's are stuck on here & there. Altogether an easy little project. I will build another one for a larger mine down the line.

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A couple more photos depicting "action" around the SC's machine shop.



Some fellows and pooches are "working" on "stuff". One guy is repairing an ore car coupler pocket while a couple more search through some stuff for anything that may be used.



Meanwhile, to the side of the shop is the coal dump which supplies fuel for the smelter's boilers and the SC's locos. In the distance, #4 is switching a couple of ore cars. I trust the loco's crew are watching the track and not "Kung Fu" on the TV! Also seen is the open "tour car" which is waiting for #1 to back down and couple-after some coal & water is picked up.

Today, I am attempting to use an actual "switch list" to see if it is any easier than just using imagination to figure out where cars go. Now, I will have to use a pencil to write down info. Guess I should have learned something in school rather than thinking about trains and looking at the ladies.

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Woodie it's great to see all of the improvements.

My son is coming from Boston this week to help me build the dividing wall in the garage to create the 9'6" x 21'7" RR room. I am already getting pressure from On30 friends to move up to 1/32 or 1/35 scale so who knows what will emerge when the dust settles!

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That workshop interior photo (Post No 464) is stunning !

Excellent stuff Mr Greene.

Regards, and, as I believe the kids say today, "Respect" !       Michael

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Thanks for the 'heads up' on the Hoist Woodie,
Getting very close myself Bill to having the room ready for placing my old exhibition Layouts and the join them all up to make an empire of my own.

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Just a couple of old B&W photos (Herb will get me for this) which show things that have been shown before. Well, sort of...



The old Lidgerwood hoist which has been "finished". I changed the boom supports to follow Keith Pashina's drawing a little better. It didn't appear that the real one could go inside the enginehouse due to stack height(in the prototype photo), and this one won't either.



And this one which shows some of the machine shop and foundry areas. In the middle is the "mysterious" metal boxcar(of which there are NO prototype photos or info). Shay #4 sits just beyond the machine shop switch on the dual gauge track to the coal dump. In the distance is the Aztec mine/mill, a big producer for the owners, it can handle 5-15 ton ore cars inside. The large slag pile is seen at the extreme left.

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Howdy Woodie.

That boxcar looks real 'mysterious'...
...better get back to the Mystery-Machine and tell Shag & Scoobs !

Moostastic monochrome Mr Greene.
It aint the '30s yet ... so no Kodachrome in the local store right.

:moose:

Keep on truckin'

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Si, here's the mystery car. The car was noted in the inventory when the line closed but nobody knows nothin'. Color for Herbert.

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I think you did a great job building the mystery car Woodie. Considering that nobody knows what it looked like, you did an EXCELLENT job. :2t:

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Looks like Shag & Scoobs arrived to check it out !

" I would a gota way with it too, if it weren't for you pesky kids ! "


I agree with Ken ... EXCELLENT job.

Brilliant prototype Woodie !
Considering that nobody knows what it looked like...
...there aint exactly gonna be many nay sayers !! ... Innit

:moose: " Very mysterious indeed "

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I'll bet it's full of Shiners Bock-----

Shiners Bock in color, that is!

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As a guess, I would go with a car for the haulage of explosive's from Blackhawk to the various mines served.

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Howdy Ken, you might be right about the explosives. However, Blackhawk was along the Gilpin Tramway, this car might be seen at Pinos Altos or Silver City. The SCPA&M already owns a dynamite car, built by Kephart Explosive Car Co. in PA. This car might not be considered "freelanced" since there were no photos or any other info about it. It is maybe "conjectured"...or something.

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I had a SMBF (Senior Moment Brain-Fart), writing Blackhawk, when I meant to write Silver City.

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If not an explosives car then possibly a car for transporting very high grade ore - except it has no door lock ?.

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When you open the door...

...It's just got a dude with a Winchester inside !!

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Yep, you had better watch out!!!

Re purpose, re new, re use, and all those other "new speak" terms that we just love!

Some years ago, I built a little sawmill to supply ties, mine props, and other cut lumber. I spent plenty of time on this model and built a "module" around it which I worked into the Mogollon Railway layout. After "disposing" of the outdoor MRy, structures like this seemed to be relegated to the display case to hide and not be seen again.




This operation was the last thing I built for the MRy before the demise of the layout.

Many years back, I was into logging, built HO & HOn3 loggers and still get into sawdust and big wheels. However, the mining bug hit and I reverted to become a hard rock digger type. Also, I don't need to build thousands of nice trees for a mining line...most of the available timber has been cut down or killed by the toxic fumes from smelting and milling.
I have been a bit dis-satisfied with the limestone spur I had on the Silver City layout but left it alone until...I decided to haul limestone in a mule-drawn wagon and "fill in" the open pit to become a place for the sawmill. As far as known, The Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon never had a sawmill on line. But  "as far as known" might be "maybe".





The little mill has a new home over where the limestone pit used to be. Small logs are brought in by horses & mules and this operation supplies the needed ties, etc. The siding was used by the lime pit and is now a place for 2 cars of outbound timber. The track is also used by the Deep Down mine to the left (out of the scene) and the SC main line is climbing on the grade beyond. Of course there is a whole lotta stuff to be done to settle this scene in but the main part is done...a sawmill which lost it's home. Re new, re purpose, yadda, yadda...

It pays to not throw nothin' away!

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I'm glad to see a 'muggy mill' spring up! Everyone needs lumber and ties and sawdust! The mill looks good there. Good for you Woodie. :moose:

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Howdy Woodie :wave:

Your mill is just outta the :moose: scale !

Forget those pesky 'stars' as well...
...I gotta give it a straight 5 :cb::cb::cb::cb::cb: Texas 10 gallon-hats !

Now that's a full 50 gallon drum...
...'nough gas to keep Manuel makin' matchsticks till Christmas ! :mex:

I'm curious Woodie (always !)
I can guess this stuff, but...
...what size is the base of the mill, in good ol' 1:1 U.S. inches ?
& how high is the apex of your roof ?

Your buildings look suitably impressive in size, in relation to figures & autos etc.
But I guess you aint going Empire-State on stuff cos of the largish 1:35 scale.

:moose:

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Howdy Si, I just measured the mill, didn't use plans or even a "scale rule" to build it. In 1:1 scale fractional inch size, it's 5" wide, 5" to peak of the roof, and 12" long. As happens, I can never find a scale ruler until after I get things laid out. I use Grandt Line O scale windows (large ones) and they seem to look OK in 1:35. I have made doors and modified Grandt O doors (a bit on the bottom to make em' taller). At all times, I like to have a scale figure nearby to get a sense of the scale.
On this little mill, I did get influenced by the sawmills of Jack Work back in the old RMC and MR (before it became too fru-fru). Mr. Work did amazing work and knew what all the machinery looked like and how they operated. Also, he made his own NBW's back before you could buy a pack of GL at the local train emporium. I ain't got them kind of skills!

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Here are a couple of old photos that I "goofed with" to make them look old & funky.



#4 is shown outside the machine shop. The pile of links on the left are in the "right" place for brakemen to use. The dual gauge track is laid with .125 rail, the two footer is .083.



And one last photo of the interior of the machine shop.  The "smithy" is working on a coupler pocket. This is probably the last shop photo, what more can I show?

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I use Grandt Line O scale windows (large ones) and they seem to look OK in 1:35. I have made doors and modified Grandt O doors (a bit on the bottom to make em' taller).

Doesn't some one make 1:32 windows & doors?? What about such things in 1:35 from the milt modeling people? ???

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" This is probably the last shop photo, what more can I show? "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Nar...
...we need to see more angles, morning, noon, sundown...
...B&W, colour, sepia...
...if the blacksmith stops for lunch & a cold one, we need to see that as well !!

" The "smithy" is working on a coupler pocket."

The Federal Inspectors must be coming tomorrow !!

:moose:

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Oh, there's plenty more to come.

TC, there are some suppliers of 35/32 scale structural parts...windows, doors, etc. My thing is that the LHS does have Grandt O scale parts and it is so easy to just go buy them here. When I am building something, I don't want to wait for the postman to deliver stuff. And then, now I have all the structures I need on this layout and still have a bunch of GL parts left! As for military models, most all are either too modern or too "European" for "old time" US based model railroad use. Thank goodness for the fine 1:35 military figures, they are easy to modify and large enough to work with. Enough of my drivel, there are loads to be brought in and empties to be set out.
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With all the hoopla going on now, threads deleted, problems with photos, this n' that...I thought I would try to send a little photo of switching at the "new" sawmill.



A load of ties are being moved out for use along the line. It's nice having the sawmill now since before when the SC line needed ties, etc., they had to be brought in on the AT&SF and cost a bit more since the Santa Fe didn't supply them for nothing!

Just another bit of operation, starting again soon in Operations, Switching the mines thread.

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I don't like trains that much
Too slow
Cadillac is the only way to travel


Stay outta trouble !

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I am the original Outlaw Troublemaker...I got creds to prove it! Cadillac? How about an old Jeep?

Eddie & the Cruisers

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NOW, THIS....

I thought the smelter area needed more "stuff", so I added some new power poles & wires. There's a power plant (small building with a steam powered generator-which really can't be seen behind the slag pile) which was very taxing to install since it falls far beyond my arm reach!
The photos I have seen of smelters have pipes, hoses, smokestacks, and power lines everywhere. This is circa 1920 so buildings would have electric lights and the machine shop has tools which need power.





The poles are hardwood dowels with insulators made from tiny glass beads (it pays to visit a craft store) held on with tiny pins. The large power lines are flexible heavy thread (also craft store) and the wires are attached to the insulators with small bits of wire to represent "hold downs". This type of attachment was suggested by buddy Dave Cox, a fellow who knows about such things. All this is WORK with a capital W.
Hard to see, the runs of wire between posts actually droops realistically-just like real wires! There are s few "kinks" in the wire which will disappear with time, however Dave says that he has seen (I have also) power lines which have a kink here & there.
Since trains are made up and brought in here, the wires HAD to be flexible since the errant hand motion could destroy the works. Another bit of "experience" that I have.
Now, I am so pleased with this, I will be adding to the "detail" with more and am planning some old phone poles along gravel roads but with skinnier poles and smaller "wire".

Now, back to work with the weedeater in my front yard. Easier work than what you see here!

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It keeps getting better and better, Woodie! I always look forward to new photos.

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Howdy Big W :cb:

I like the new 'air junkque'.
I think it is often something missed out on models.
An ad hoc industrial site seems to 'grow' the stuff !

The scene really captures the original atmosphere !

Have some moose ! :moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Thanks for the power plant pics Woodie. Be careful though. All the power plants in our little town burned down at least once. One fire nearly killed the town since there was no money to replace it and times were tough.
I'll see if I can find a pic of that one.

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Howdy Ken, you can't really see the power plant, it is hidden by the large slag pile...but since it doesn't use Samsung cell phone batteries, it probably won't catch fire! If it were up front, then I would have needed to model an actual plant. As it is, the "plant" used to be the office for the Boquillas monorail. Another recycled structure.
Now, all this wire stringing has caused me to now add old-timey telephone poles & lines. As if I don't have enough to do. The old lines were just a single wire held up by whatever (actual poles, rough tree trunks, just whatever) and most all seemed to have the wire insulated at or near the top of the pole with glass insulators. So, I used the same glass beads as on the power lines. The phone lines are smaller flexible thread (again so a hand or small cat won't hurt anything).





A color photo for Herb, a B&W for me. The runs of lines are just a couple of actual feet so there aren't many poles. I finally found a use for the WW1 Model T ambulance which Dave gave me. Here is the Grant County (Silver City, NM) Telephone Company line truck. Old, weathered olive drab paint with a decal for the company pretty much complete the truck, more tools, line on spools, and whatever else needed is yet to be added. Altogether a nice little "mini scene" which kept me busy for a couple of hours.
All this work has made me hungry...maybe tacos tonight?

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Where or where did you get those ladders?! Inquiring minds want to know. I need to build a ladder truck/wagon for my fire guys.

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Howdy Steven, this is where the fire truck ladders came from! This used to be a 1920 REO fire truck which is now a log hauler. I already had a FOX-AHRENS truck which had cooler "details". This is/was a 1:32 die cast model, available from Die Cast Direct (no, I don't have any financial ties) and in these days when a "so-so" 1:48 truck fetches over 50 bills, this was about $10. For some reason, larger scale autos with nicer details cost less than ones made "for model railroads". In fact, the O scale Model T's are costly, I once bought 2- 1:32 versions of them from DCD for "2 for 10 bucks"...no wonder I love this scale. Even though my layout is 1:35 scale, 1:32 stuff (autos, figures, etc) look fine with no real visual difference.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I like the Model-T telephone truck a lot.

Wot ? ... No Verizon logo ?

:moose:

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Woodie, you now have me combing die cast vehicles now looking for ladders. I want to build a hand drawn ladder wagon for my fire company. Thanks for the motivation!:!:

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Steven, another place is National Motor Mint...they have cool die cast autos & trucks.

FORCED PERSPECTIVE...REAL OR MAGNAVOX?
Something I have been "experimenting" with is forcing perspectives or maybe just cleaning out the junk boxes of things which are not useable in 1:35 scale. Here is one example.


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Great move, Mr Greene!

Do I see a Z scale Model T atop that far mountain?

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"Lucy...you got some 'splainin' to do!" OK then. That little T is probably 1:40 scale (Chinese scale?) and the guy driving it is a wargame metal Civil War dude who is ??? scale. The car in the foreground is a "correct" 32/35 scale with 35 scale driver. Therefore, I was able to get rid of some otherwise "non-scale" junque and make a scene that works. Just like Mr. Whit Towers suggested so very long ago. The scribbling on the hillside is my first attempt at a "far away" mine structure which is still waiting for "improvements"

OK, Herbert...is the color OK?

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Perfect, Woodrow!

Just don't get so into that painting that you decide to cut off your ear with an Exacto knife.

Would make a mess on the carpet.

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No worries about that! I personally want to emulate (??) Mr. Too-loose La Track and paint wild dancing Can Can women. Yes, paint on them, not just paint pictures of them. How's that?

BTW, ain't any carpet in the living room, just nice old time oak boards. Blood wipes away easily. How do I know this???

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

That lil' scene of yours is wonderful.
Really different to the industrial look of the smelter.

Looks like the perspective thing is working well.
Love that little walling & grade up to the mine.
The rocky dusty road crossing looks like a suspension shaker !

Are those cacti the Pegasus ones we talked about ?

:moose:

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Howdy Si, those cacti are the expensive (and not that great looking) Plastruct jobs. I found one place in the US which has the Pegasus cactus, just haven't gotten around (gotten expendable funds) to get some. A friend who posted here for a while made me some using craft store scrapbook paper punches. They have teardrop, heart, and several others which he punched out thin styrene and glued them up and painted them. He even put blobs of body putty on them, painted maroon, etc. to look like the flowering barrels, which make great jelly BTW (the real ones!).
Two problems-the punches make plants that are smaller (O scale?) and the punches cost $6 to $8 each. You gotta love cactus and the time it takes to make them. If all I did was make cactus for my layout, I would never get anything else done...and they seem to "blend in" to the scenery so I would need millions of them! Someday maybe all I will be able to do is make cactus...but then what else would I be capable to do?!

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wow a man i can admire you are fond of model t's and i was a telephone cable splicer for 30 years. The old telephone cable was in lead tubes and fine solder would work i think and would look fine not painted and left to tarnish. i gave my brother about 500 lbs of scrap to be made into slugs for muzzel loaders .35, .36, .45, .50 cal.

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An approved FreeRails use !!

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Charles, solder would work here but realize that when we operate the line, an errant hand movement would take out the work and a small kitten (yep) can do the same. I chose the flex threads because they flex and don't cause any damages. And the thread also droops like real line. Much of the line crosses tracks anyway. I have seen too many layouts with poles and no lines or even worse, long streches of lines with no droop!

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just a suggestion I happened to think of your work is fantastic as for kittens they can be fun or a pain or both
 

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Yep, if I was doing a "contest" diorama, I would use the solder-it would probably work nicely. I know (for a fact) that the flex thread is ok after a prowling kitten looks around. Cars are off the track, but (so far), that's all that happens. Now if she gets to digging in the foam, well...

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Yesterday, I got the "gumption" (Texas slang for willingness) to make some scrub brush and a little "greenery" for the Hairpin Curve area which began to look too "sterile" and just plain...plain.



As usual for scenic things, this was mind & nerve draining but I wanted to change things up a bit. My ops buddy Jim uses nandina bush clippings as the basis for some nice trees on his HO layout which depicts the area around Alma, AR and the Missouri Pacific. Jim just takes the tree-looking bushes and sprays them with some 3-M contact adhesive and then drops them into a big bowl of Woodland Scenics ground foam of various greens and textures. Then he plants the trees on his layout where they really do "work". These tree models are way too tiny for 1:35 scale trees, and I want funky mesquite and gnarly cedars anyway. So, I used his technique and clipped off bits of the structures to make bushes, etc. Old photos of the real thing show that there was dirt, rocks, cactus, and bushes and that's about all. So, here and in the next photo are the results of about one or two hours of "work".



I had found a place to run a really funky dirt road that crosses the tracks near the Pinos Altos creek trestle, and I wanted a place to display this old Chevy also. More shrubs and some WS chunky foam bits and here it is. After I set this scene up, I decided that the Chevy needed to have the front wheels set  in a turn. That was really a bit of fiddling since this car and other die cast cars have steering set straight ahead and just don't look right sometimes. Bending the front axle and hoping the wheels wouldn't break was all it took. You can see the dirt road crossing the tracks to the fellow's right. I want to make a RR crossing sign but that's another story...

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Exceptional, Woodrow!!

 



and even a mess of :moose:

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Woodie,

Great looking scenery - I like how the horseshoe curve scene is coming to together. Thanks for posting, and looking forward to updates on your progress!

Keith

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Hong chung Woo dee :cb:

Honourable miniature gardenin Grasshopper san !
New Mexico bonsai gro well in dis arid gwound.

I would rake the desert rubble into neat circles.
It looks like no man has used the rake there for millions of years.

I understand this is not the Texan custom though...
...I watch the Dallas re-runs on the tube every nite.

May your miniature bonsais have many desert blooms !

Ching ping !

:moose:

Zi.

Good idea with American Model-T axle...
...Henry make them like a brick outhouse.

Made to LAST !

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Something completely different (again).............
I had been "hoarding" a couple of Tamiya "brick walls" kits and an ancient "Highway Miniatures" antique auto kit (price of $.49 on the box!) and 2 nights without company. Here is what I decided to do, an abandoned and almost demolished brick building with an old car on blocks (more bricks) outside. Some weeds and brush to be added and maybe some more junque and bricks also. As Hannibal Smith (A-Team) would say-"I love it when a plan (SCENE) comes together. This is located near the smelter, the mercury delivery man is in the background with a wagon full of toxicity.

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I agree with Hannibal! I must find some of those $.49 kits though.

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Howdy Ken, the old kit was given to me by a buddy who is a true rubber gauger. The kit only had 6 or 7 pieces and 4 of them were the wheels! Molded in yellow plastic with no detail whatsoever. That 49 cent price was printed on the box, something that used to be done. Nope, this car doesn't pass muster next to a fine die-cast model but as junk fodder, it works out great!

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I find abandoned stuff more interesting than things, and buildings in use.

But then again, people get this strange look when I show up----


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" I find abandoned stuff more interesting than things, and buildings in use."

Hi Herb

I thought your large-scale 1:1 backyard model was excellent.
The very best realism in rust & weathering I've ever seen.

:moose:

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Good job Woodie Si I thought for a minute that was a picture of my brother's place

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Si

That's spare parts (and only a portion of the pile), all catalogued and location listed.

Now, about that bridge-----

Herb

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A TALE OF TWO LOKIES..........

The other day I looked at my oldest 1:35n2 loco, "Rudy", #2 and thought that he would look neat without the saddle tank. #2 is the first r/c loco I "fixed" and the first for the old Mogollon Railway. Starting out with a Bachmann On30 0-4-2t, I built a plantation style cab (one of many for this loco) and larger coal bunker and some other parts and details. Later, I "rediscovered" my little 0-4-0t from the same company in a dusty box and "upscaled" her into #3, Rosa. Here they are nose to nose (smokeboxes actually) to show how really different they appear now.



Rudy stays at the smelter now, switching loads into the furnaces and making up outbound trains of empties. Little #3 usually switches the mines at the end of the line outside Pinos Altos. No, the real SCPA&M never had any Porters, it was a "Shay only" operation. But since I am modeling the line in 1920 (the real RR was gone by 1907), it might be possible that in later years, the railroad replaced some aging Shays with these little ones.
Historical note: These locos MIGHT have been bought from a Mexican mining line. It could have happened!

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

That pair of darlings have to be some of the best rolling-oxide I've ever seen !

I wondered what had happened to No.2 ?

Saw her 'way back when' in Mogollon...
...thought you must have rebuilt her.

The plantation-cab & keeping the rear wheels is a great look !

n i c e !

:moose:

Si.

P.S.

What the hell happened, switching the Lidgerwood ?

Brakes fail ??

;)

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Ha ha...just noticed that, Si. The enginehouse and hoist was attacked by a monster black & white kitten sometime in the night. The large feline has been known to prowl the Gila Rim area late at night and seldom does any damage but loves to sleep on the turntable (go figure!).

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Well, here's something that the kitty had better not mess up!

Smelters need a supply of lime (lime stone) to use as a flux in the furnace. On the SCPA&M there used to be a limestone quarry where the small sawmill is now. I built a wagon to supply the stone from somewhere off the layout but decided to build an "on line" operation. I had an old (very old!) ore tipple in a box of dusty stuff and decided that it would make a good structure for this escapade. The tipple is actually O scale, built about 20 years ago for the old On20 Mogollon Railway but looks OK for 1:35 (at least to my old eyes!).



I also had a conveyor that was used on the outdoor MRy and the plan came together. Just some Plastruct angles and "C" channel and some other bits of styrene and...I had what I wanted. There is a small gasoline engine driving these conveyors via some nice gears & sprockets I found in the junk box.  A ladder was installed so someone can get up there to start the conveyors and clear any backups. The limestone is now coming from a quarry near the Farnsworth Ranch and the old "Gilpin phase 2" ore car is the designated limestone car.

Another piece of operation, maybe to be shown in Switching the Mines sometime soon.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I hope GODZILLA hasn't taken out the new tipple yet !!

What ever next ?

King Kong climbing the smoke-stacks at the smelter ??

:moose:

That a cutie ore-car.

Keep that limestone ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' . . .

:moose:

Si.

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Which kitty might that be 

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The monster cat June Bug, AKA Little Bit, Whiskers, and several names which cannot be written here due to censorship concerns. She was a very tiny (as here) Manx (tail-less) kitty which was doomed to die on the streets before Pam (holding her) rescued her. Now, JB is getting big and likes to sleep on my work bench, the couch, and on the turntable at Pinos Altos. Spoiled? Naaaw!

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> June Bug vs. Catzilla & Kitty Kong ! <

RETURN OF THE 1:1 CAT MONSTERS - II

coming to a theatre near YOU soon . . .



Matildas speciality is 're-patching' (tangling-up) audio cables.
&
Going to sleep on warm laptops, just as you want to open the lid !

L:

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OK then...here are some other "cats" working on an old Model T "depot hack" in the SCPA&M machine shop.



It may not be "railroady" but there's an ore car in the background. Yes, I have more to do with this scene but I'm taking my time...

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I'm not even going to attempt to fit the amount of Mooses in this Post, that I'm thinking of ! ;)

What a GREAT SCENE !

Jeez, that there SCPA&M machine shop looks BIG inside !

I know you don't own a rule...
...never measure anything...
...and do it all 'by eye'.

But...
...spill the beans, just this once, for an ol' English lag !

What's the footprint of the machine-shop, in good ol' 1:1 inches ??
I'm a curious fella.

:moose:

Si.

more ... More ! ... MORE !! :bg:

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Si, your command is my wish...or somethin' like that...
3 photos of machine shop with 1:1 inch dimensions. The building is a "rhomboid" or something like that, shape. Here's what it looks like.







The track side is sheathed with windows installed, the viewing side is open.   
8.5" high, 9.5" wide, 11" short (outside) side, 16.5" long (finished) side.
The real machine shop appears to be about 100' long, in 1:35 it would be over 36" long...more than I could devote to the building. But then imagine how many details would be needed to fill something that large. I probably have enough in boxes but I ain't got enough time left in this plane to do the job! Besides, I got trains to run. I thought about a "removable" side but decided to go the sleazy route and build what you see.

BTW-I own  1:32, 1:35, 1:48, and 1:87 rulers along with several steel inch and MM rulers, various squares and drafting angles, and several T squares from 12" long to 48" long. But...no, I rarely use them, preferring to use scale figures to get things "right".

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many MOOSIES woodie for shop and model "T"s owned a 1924 aluminum bodied 4 door for a couple of years didn't get it running but got some of it restored bodie in good shape wood not so good

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" BTW-I own 1:32, 1:35, 1:48, and 1:87 rulers "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Just pullin' yer leg about the rules. ;)

The National Monkey Railroad Association would be proud of you !
I just got a 1:35 scale-rule, since it's a bugger to calc. anything in that scale.
Never bothered for 1/4" & 1/2" for obvious reasons.
Before that, I messed with 2mm, so pretty easy to add up 2s, even on one hand after a few pints !!

Thanks for your answer to my curious question.
It gives a 1:35 novice (me) a pointer, to what might be needed, in terms of space for structures.

Obviously the W.C.G building-contractors have been kept busy over the years !
Darn ! you had a TON of cool buildings on the Moggy.
Def. had the chance to get your 'eye in' on that lil' lot !
They all looked really 'proportionally' NICE to me in your pix.

My last buildings were in 2mm scale !!
I didn't have to worry in the least how BIG they were, or if they would fit.
7ft x 15" is one hell of a lot of real-estate in N-scale !!
I never used plans OR a rule; just built them 'how I felt' directly in the materials.

Them were da days . . .

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

Si.

Damn N I C E building, that machine shop.
The smelter-complex in the background seems perfect...
...even though it doesn't take up 1/2 the garden as well !

:shocked:

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Si, the buildings are as big as "I can get away with"...More smelter structures will be painted on the backdrop I will make, the Silver City smelter was a big un'. The section with the smelter, enginehouse, etc. is about 4.5' by 8' or 9'. But I wanted to have structures at beginning & end (mines) and scenery in between so I have a bunch of "left over" structures that came from the old layout-they reside on shelves and in a display case. The cool buildings are "faithful" copies of the real ones, I would have loved to have seen it all way back when.
It might help to make "mock-ups" of structures to see how they fit (and if they WILL fit) and then you may want to later cover those foamboard mockups with wood, etc. and make them last. The little foundry building (left of the machine shop) is one of those. I made a foamcore structure...liked it...and covered it with boards and a corrugated roof.

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Woodie,

Great looking scenes - thank you for sharing the photos of the shops and yard area.

I particularly liked the machine shop scene - the interior shot was very realistic looking. I particularly liked the effect of the dirt floor.

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Woodie, Keith is correct. I have heard of those machine shops, and a dirt floor made a lot  of sense. Absorbed oil drippings, and tabbackie juice, but sometimes not quickly enough, when the next guy came along any knelt it the puddle. The indiscretion was pointed out quickly with some ''choice'' words.

VERY nice work.

Now, Gromit wants a chaw.

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Thanks guys, from what I have learned about the smelter buildings, the floor of the machine shop might have been poured molten slag. Yep, the Comanche smelter was built on poured slag. That is what I tried for, the floor was poured with Durhams water putty and stained with grimy black. Duane Ericson suggested this, he has been to the site and knows how it looks now & probably then. However, there is a liberal (political?) amount of "oil & grease" on the floor, mostly obscured by chains, parts, and other mean and nasty things.

BTW-the color of real slag (from the site) is very close to both grimy black and Rust-O-Leum "camo dark brown"...so I use both. It seems that smelters were/are NASTY places and the EPA is scared to venture near one.

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MORE RECYCLING.....or what to do with old buildings.

Years ago I built this little adobe structure to represent the station of the Gila Tram which ran over parts of the Mogollon Railway. After the MRy was dismantled, the "useable" buildings were set on shelves or in a display case, there to gather dust and be pretty much forgotten. I really had no desire to reuse any of these buildings on the new layout, BUT...here I am using a couple here & there.



The GT's tourist train pulled up to this station for some years but now it has been "moved south" to house the Grant County Telephone Co. There was a small plot of vacant land in front of the Aztec and Old Mogollon mines which needed (1) lots of cactus & bushes...or (2) something to look at. Looking at won out and the building was set in place between the smelter road (foreground) and the SCPA&M main line and mines (behind the building). I now need to install some power lines and phone lines on appropriate poles. Surely this poles & wire business has gotten out of hand but, well, you know. I was careful to place this scene in an area which didn't interfere with operating switches, etc...operators' hands in the way.
I will make signs, some old wooden wire reels, some ready to install poles, insulators, and other stuff as needed. Stand by at the junk box!

I just couldn't leave this little model on a dusty shelf.

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Nice one Woodie :glad::glad:

Now watching for all that "junque telefonique" to appear :bg:

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" Tell that Engineer Greene to get up orf 'is butt PRONTO !
Those darn miners have been digging like crazy again
We need a new train of empty ore-cars to The Aztec
Like ... YESTERDAY ... got it ? "

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Looking forward to more, Woodie!

Thanks

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You sure that that thing isn't meant to remove earwax Si?

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Amazing work, Woodie. I am going to have to plan a drive over to your side of the 'Plex soon and go to school on your layout!

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elminero67 wrote:

Now if Woodie could figure out a way to recreate the dumping of molten slag, he would certainly be a shoe-in for the coveted Master Model Railroader certification.


I have a NIB Tyco log dumper accessory I would be willing to donatr to the slag-dumping cause.

Rick

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Yep, if I could just figger out how to..... These days, my "operating" devices are in the dim past. The rotary dumper, cable operated incline, Model T turntable, aerial bucket tramway, etc...all cool to build and watch but I got to where I was spending too much time messing with these things instead of actually running trains. Maybe my tastes have changed or I have just gotten too old to worry about such any more.
Rick, that log dumper is enticing, I'm glad that I am into mining or I'd jump on that one!

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Woodie, I thought maybe you could use the log dumper mechanism to tip your slag cars, although I am admittedy late to this particular party. I think it could be battery-powered and it has a remote (although wired) pushbutton.

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Rick, thanx for the idea, why don't you use it? It probably could be battery powered and operated with a $7.00 cheap r/c car board & transmitter. All it takes is a bit of imagination.

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After I offered you the idea, I thought "Yanno, I could probably use that on the logging layout somehow."

I am spending so much time seeing what things could be used for that I don't think to use them for their intended purpose. :)

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Hey Woodie
Have you seen these http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Vintage-Life-Like-HO-Scale-Gravel-Unloader-SEALED-/222161938417 These are actually pretty close to the DIFFCO wagons we used to use on the slag run from the BOS slag pit to another dumping area further away from the steelplant.

You even get the dumping mechanism with this one - extend the shank or upsize the building and you are done. In the USA you should also be able to pick up some spare cars pretty cheap too. ;)

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Hi,

If you want a dumping mechanism to play with check out Marx Train stuff for something that looks like this one.  It is O scale, more or less.

When you active the dump mechanism the arm pushes out and hits the rim of the ore car and dumps it.

I have a couple of these and they work OK but make a small noise.

You could build a small building around the metal one or just replace it.
   



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Thanks John & Bill...food for thought. Bill, that old Marx stuff might be more "valuable" in original form than whacked-upon, but then I don't know and don't actually collect stuff (except dust & rust).
Oh well, my "operating days"...except for running trains...are in the past. I await seeing what others come up with now.
But, never say never.

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Old photo of little #3, Rosa, loading a car into the rotary dumper. That thing was mucho fun. I still miss it.

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Rosa now has a metal "plantation" style cab...and #2 Rudy has lost his saddle tank! Holy cow!!

And yes, I know the hoist is a kilter in the background. Another cat-astrophy.

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We all enjoy the cat-ass trophys, Woodie.

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I never cease to marvel at the natural look of the layout. I've taken great inspiration from it and its predecessor over the years and will continue to do so.

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I am hoping for an opportunity to see it up close and in person sometime. ;)

Rick

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Thanks guys. Rick, just give me a holler & if the "planets align" then drop by.

I am about to change something at the smelter. I feel the need for a "inclined" trestle to allow ore cars to get dumped into a tipple and this trestle would also have a wooden "roadway" so horse/mule drawn ore wagons could use it also. Right now I am kinda dis-satisfied with a building which would be replaced with the trestle affair. Besides, it would look pretty cool for such a thing anyway.
Update at 10...

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the planets didn't align 2 weeks ago but someday. but sill like looking at pictures. can't post any pictures as i do not have gallery under menue or a "G" using firefox


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Hi Chas.

You CAN Post pictures, anytime you want to.

Simply use the 'Attachment Button' at the bottom of the MAIN reply window.

Just click the 'Reply' Button, on the last Post.
The MAIN reply window comes up.
The 'Attachment Button' when clicked, lets you choose the picture you want to Post.

EASY !

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Also.
Provided you are NOT a Macintosh user.
The 'G' Button SHOULD appear...
...if you set your chosen 'Theme' using the 'My Account' Menu Tab at the top of the Page...
...to either 'Ultra' or 'AI Blue'

When set to either of these 'Themes', Your P.C. should now show the 'G' Button.

Either way, you can Post pictures, NO PROBLEM.

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thanks Si i have gotten old and cannot figure out this stuff any more it keeps changing

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" i have gotten old "

Hi Chas :wave:

Yes, I know the feeling !

The answers to Posting photos are there ^^^
Try them out !

The ONLY thing that has ACTUALLY changed, as such...
...is that in the 'Default' Theme called 'Sea' & the 'Simple' Theme, the 'G' Button is currently unavailable.

Simply change 'Theme' to either 'Ultra' or 'AI Blue' & Bob's yer uncle photo Posting, same as it always has been.

Other than that, the 'Attachment Button' is there, as always, & very easy to use.

Good luck !

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OK THEN, MO' PHOTOS...

I've been working on some new things, the following photos show a "big change" at the Comanche Smelter. Originally, I had 2 tracks leading into a large, non-interesting structure which housed the "ore dump and transfer facility" but I got tired of looking at it. Operationally, it was a headache since it was inside a building and hard to switch.
Sooooo.....





I got rid of the old trackage and built this new ore bin (tipple) with an incline "trestle" climbing up to the top. This is probably about a 10% grade or so and the tipple can handle 2-10 or 15 ton ore cars at a time. This makes the operating characteristics more interesting, more moves are required and the ore cars aren't hidden inside some dark building.
I plan on building a suitable conveyor on the right side of the tipple to carry the ore into the smelter (non operating, although one could be made to work!). You can see the back side of the large slag pile. This area is being "finished up" (detailed) but the viewer won't see very much because a drop in segment sits right where I am standing to take these photos.
I think that I will use one of the Porters to push the cars up but a Shay looks OK also.
Some old 15" gauge track leading to the slag heap is shown. Nothing here is glued down & sceniced since this is still "in flux" or something like that. But as of now, I am having fun switching at the smelter...things will get nailed down sometime.
***The horse drawn ore wagon access to this tipple isn't going to happen, the wagons & trucks dump ore at another (out of sight) location*****

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It's always a challenge to set things so the essentials can be seen otherwise what's the point. Off-site scenes left to the imagination are fine in moderation as are view blocks but a viewer really wants to view - that's part of the reward for the effort put in! Interesting scene Woodie.

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Really nice modeling.  The smelter brickwork, the coloration, as well as the overall scenes busy look and clutter set a mood for the viewer.  Then of course the operational effectiveness. These are the things that make your modeling so interesting to all your followers.
Congrats on a great scene.  I look forward to seeing the finished product.
Bob

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Inspiring work, Woodie.  I can't wait to see it myself. I'm sure the photos don't really do it justice.
Rick

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I think Evel Knievel could easily clear the 2 car ore-bins, no problem.
I mean, he's done a dozen or so double-decker buses, right ? ;)

Great move, demolishing the ol' dark & dusty unloading building.
The new incline looks pretty cool !
Good thing too...
...the 15" gauge line looks like it could be a slightly bumpy ride !! :shocked:

Something 'mysterious' though ?

Behind the new incline...
...there seems to be some sort of mysterious boxcar !

It isn't THE mysterious boxcar.
Is it ?
No !
That dude didn't have a window, I'm pretty sure of that.

So what's the story on that down South rolling rust ?
We need to know !!

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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I like that Woodie didn't weather the tipple - it's new, after all.
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Thanks guys, I wanted this to appear to be a new structure. Of course it will get a "dusting" of soot...new stuff gets nasty & filthy when it's around a smelter. I am "thinking" and working on some kind of conveyor to get the ore into the smelter. I won't be doing "nuts & bolts" detailing since this stuff will be pretty much hidden behind other stuff but at least now the operational aspect is what I want.
Si, that "mysterious" boxcar is an old wooden short car that saw several years outside. I turned it into an "office" with a window, etc. and it sits on some ties. The metal boxcar is still in use for supplies & such.
This trestle & tipple is over 36" long but it seems almost lost among the other structures.

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If this were Facebook, I would hit the "I like this" button.

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Thanks Duane, nice to hear from you. And here are a couple of shots from the lower part of "Hairpin Curve". Little #1 and train crosses Pino Alto road while a local fellow watches.



From another angle.



Still more work to be done, just having fun running a train on a gloomy Dallas day.

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Always liked your choice of a somewhat barren landscape Woodie, it seems to add authenticity to what you produce. I'm guessing that the layout must be close to completely taking over the room too! :w:

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Howdy Doug, yes the scenery depicts what the "Gila Rim" (Silver City area) looked like in the 1920's or so. Any available trees were cut for mine props, ties, etc. Today, the area is covered with trees and ski trails. The layout itself is as large as it can be without losing the "living room" which will remain as-is for ...living. Now, if it were REALLY up to me, there would be no living room, bedrooms (maybe a cot under the layout), and the kitchen would be full of mines instead of groceries.
I still love logging railroads but truly hate making trees, preferring barren landscapes found around SW USA mining enterprises. But then, I always seem to be needing more cactus and scrub brush. Oh well..........

I will try to post some photos of how the layout looks now that the "real estate" is set in stone.

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One thing I am not looking forward to in the construction of the Red Creek and Ramsey Springs is making all the damned pine trees.  Thankfully they clear-cut a lot of the state before my Prohibition-era model!
Rick

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Yep, them damn trees! Ya gots to love 'em!

Here then are some shots of the "lay of the land" in the living room. Starting at the smelter...



A view of the smelter area and trackage. Beyond the red foundry building (center) is a lift out which goes across my bedroom "door" and then to:



The Aztec and Old Mogollon mines. The Grant County Telephone Co. is new, I just had to have this. After all, this is 1920 and phones were appearing everywhere.



This is the Farnsworth Ranch area (a real landmark). Here is a limestone tipple on the same siding as the Aztec...fun to switch.



Now the line crosses "Kitchen Canyon" (a made-up landmark) via another lift-out. The "Deep Down " mine (real) is in the corner. #1 and train are heading to the smelter.



The train has just passed the little sawmill located at the tail of the Deep Down siding. The grade here climbs a bit to "Hairpin Curve" (yep, it's real).



There's an "S" curve into the curve and then down again to cross Pinos Altos Creek (OK, real also).



PA creek trestle is in the middle of this photo. Track heads to the "Mina Grande Mine" and "Phoenix Mine" (I didn't make them up).



And here is the "end of the line", the Mina Grande & Phoenix mines. There's a small turntable just out of view (right). The Phoenix has it's own 18" gauge tram, the mine is about 2 miles away in the mountains.

Well, that's it, for now. Plenty has been done and plenty is still to do. The saga continues...


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Woodie, I am impressed. You have done so much really nice work in what seems like a short time. I save all your pictures too, good inspiration for my model building efforts.

Larry G

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Superb. Plenty of open country for the trains to stretch their legs. Must be fun to watch.

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Woodie, just as I would expect---a great job!

Adapting the railroad into less than convenient (from a construction standpoint) location seems to come easy to you.

That aint plaster dust on the Rug Pam, that's carpet patina--

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Yep, I love the open country. Herb, there's no carpet in the living room, just nice old oak flooring. The boards creak along with me and the trains. I do miss being outside but last night I ran a short train in comfort, it was 15 degrees outside. There's something about artificial lights and warmth that makes it all worthwhile!

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

THANKS for the 'Grand Tour' ... it's a MOOSER fer sure !

Dunno what to say really ...

... just ... hey ...

" Run a train today "

But of course, you all ready are !!

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You are not only an excellent modeler but a hero to many.  Who doesn't want to convert their living room to a layout?  I look at all the "wasted" space where I live (when was the last time we ate in the dining room) and imagine scenery.  

Kudos......Bob

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Hi Woodie,

It's Christmas Day and this is my gift to myself - taking time out to enjoy these posts! Your layout tour here is excellent! Because of my hectic schedule, I have had to be content with coming to FreeRails and basking in the modeling efforts of others. Everyone is so inspiring to me and I greatly appreciate the charity expressed here. It's my hope that I, along with all others in the same boat, will be able to carve some time off to release our creative talents in the future and then share them with others here, also.

Merry Christmas!

Mark

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Merry Christmas all. You are right Mark, everybody here makes this place "feel like home". All a big family. And like families, there are sometimes little differences of opinions but that's what makes it all worthwhile.
I trust everyone has a great day and the coming new year brings new vistas to enjoy. Thank you to everybody, peace be with you and may all your trains stay on the rails.

Woodie

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Now then, thanks to Si's sage advice, I put my computer into Mr. Peabody's Way Back Machine and took it back to an earlier time. Apparently it worked! My photos can once again be sent here to bore & depress everybody! And Herb will not like these, they are B&W.



Here is the coal dump behind the machine shop. Sitting on the dual gauge track is one of the smelter's old slag cars, an oil tank car from the Mogollon Railway, and a flat with some stuff on it. In the background, the rotary crusher can be seen.



The MRy's Brownhoist is being worked on at the machine shop.  That's a 1905 INDIAN motor bike resting on some stuff near the door.



Here is the tiny GILPIN TRAM snow plow which was saved from scrapping but it has not been used (yet) on the SCPA&M. The old motors in the plow are to provide weight. On the GT, scrap rail was used for that purpose.



One of the mine owners is checking on his property outside Pinos Altos. He will soon need to move off the road or crash into the approaching Model T.

These are photos from a while back, things have changed somewhat recently.
I hope Herb isn't too PO'ed by the lack of color.

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Love the pictures.  The detail shows the rough and unsophisticated nature of the Silver City area.  You could make them sepia toned and then Herb could not complain that there was not color.
Bob

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Howdy Woodie :cb:


I'm not sure how the Silver City pix could get any better...
...but they DO !

I gotta say, I just LOVE those ol' B&W glass-plates you shot with the vintage wooden Samsung. ;)
I have a soft spot for B&W cos I've spent WAY too many hours in the past, splashing around with trays of print-developer !
So...
... TOUGH LUCK Herb !

My 2nd favorite thing to hot new B&Ws from Silver City...
...is winding Herb up anyhow. ;)

He LOVES 'EM really !


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I'm a fan of black and white photos as they seem to add a touch of realism to the scene. I'm far from being a photographer or artist but I suspect that the monotone lets the eye overlook the obvious model aspects and just take in the whole vista. Very effective Woodie.

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Howdy Doug, the next expense that I need to incur for the layout is several "track lights" which will replace old fashioned work lights and bare bulbs hanging around. These lights will soon be on sale again at the big Home Depot store and I can eat Ramen & beans for a week or so then. Freerails' resident author & historian-Duane Ericson-thinks that the track lights already installed provide the "diffused sunlight" which replicates the look of the high country in the Silver City area. Duane once lived there and he should know what the lighting is(or was) like. Well anyway, that's my story...

More B&W photos will be posted, Herb may want to delete them but I will just post them again! LOL Hoibert!
WCG

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Howdy Woodie :cb:


Only 3 things I'd say about model lighting really.


AVOID C.F.L.s

AVOID C.F.L.s

AVOID C.F.L.s


Just a little mantra I discovered, whilst racing FAST CARS !


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Hi Si, I'm interested to know why you say to avoid CFL's,is there a safety  or light  intensity issue.  I  use these lights and I don't think  there is a problem..I hope ..i'm not sure now...Oh dear,maybe  I should run the trains in the dark,seriously though,I'm interested to hear what you say about the lamps ,because  I could be missing some thing that I have not noticed. .......PeterL:

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Si...one question from an illiterate...What is CFL?

Flood lights? ???

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I use track lighting and mostly CFLs, though changing over to LEDs as they burn out. Either one allows much more light per strip than incandescent. Choose the color range you prefer. LEDs are dimmable, but I find that a minor issue.

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Well, here's something that has "come to light"...again!
Some years back, before the dinosaurs roamed the earth, Herb Kephart built this wonderful piece of track and sent it to the old Mogollon Railway. It was to be used somewhere but at about that time, the MRy's operations center was moved from a motor home to a real home and this piece of superb engineering was packed away...until today!
I will try to find a place for such an exotic construction on the SCPA&M. Hmmmmm.
Oh yes, here it is:



A 4 way switch (or a turnout..turn around...turnback?). It is built for stub operation, I can't imagine how one could make points for this one, hell, it will be hard enough to make a bridle for the moving rails also.

Thank you old friend, it's a wonderful piece of work.

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It deserves to have a layout built around it.
Jose.

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IT'S BACK !!

WATCH OUT !!

Herb's Funky 4-Way !!

I've heard of the 'one switch layout'...

...but THAT'S just cheatin'. ;)


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" Si...one question from an illiterate...What is CFL? "

Sorry Woodie...

...C.F.L is 'Compact Flourescent Light'.

Typicaly they are the type that have a chunky plastic base & several glass-tubes sticking out, or a single spiral glass-tube.

In the U.K. they are sometimes known as 'energy saving bulbs' as well.

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OK Si, I don't have them anywhoo. Just regular old small spotlight bulbs and some Halogen spots. If I see LEDs that fit the spotlights then I'll try them out. I do have a FB on the front porch. It stays on 24/7 and has for several years now.

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OK, another question about all the new lights.

I use the 40T15 (I think that's their official name)--anyway, the long tubular fluorescent lights that have been around almost as long as I have. I have put a plastic sleeve over each that is supposed to prevent UV ray escape from the tube. In the past, I had found that I had fading from things like printed brick and stone paper near windows, and also from fluorescents--- even some model paints seem to be subject to this.

SO- What is the situation with all these whizbang new lamps? All that's new isn't necessarily an improvement. One of the ballasts in the layout lighting went bad. off to the big box store, and they had electronic ballasts that lit all four tubes instantly--even when it was cold. Great! Bought 2, installed one, and now the FM radio has a terrible buzz--even with an outside aerial. Crap must be coming thru the 110V line, as the aerial line is shielded co-ax right up to the set. Now I am reduced to listening to cassettes and 8 track (really) as the disk player went South recently also.

Bah! Humbug! Used to make my own candles from the fat groundhogs that I shot on the property--but now I have fat neighbors that the township frowns on me killing. Just as well, it would take too big an iron pot to boil them down----so I had to install 'lectric and go with the BFL's  (big florescent lights in this case).

BTW Woodie--I thought that possibly Mudge had chucked that switch out in the garbage. Glad to see that it's still around.

Hoib

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Here's what I have:



They are just simple 110 volt lights with "flood light" bulbs. I assume they are just non-EPA approved bulbs but then I don't much cotton to the EPA myself. I can adjust the lights directionally for the "most realistic effect"...Uh huh!

If they make LEDs to fit these things then I will get some. I also have some Halogen spotlights here & there.

I bought these because they were on sale for less than $20 USD for a 3 light kit. They will be on sale again soon...work continues.

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They do make LEDs that fit and because of the lower amp draw, you can put extra fixtures on that track. The LEDs come in both spot and flood and you'll want flood unless you have an unusually long throw.

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they make 4' led tubes that fit the 4' fixtures and new fixtures with 4' led tubes i got some tubes for the garage as the florescent tubes won't come on when it is cold they come on instantly and are brighter

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I'd describe the light in Silver City as BRIGHT.  
6000+ feet of elevation, about as far south as you can get in the USA, clear skies and no pollution. Silver City isn't too hot, but the sun was wicked. This guero is still fighting skin cancer from spending my days poking around old ghost towns and mines near Silver City. 
Speaking of which I'll be there Saturday, hope to have a little time to hike the SC PA & M. 

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Cool...let us (me) know what's happenin' out there. I'll get there again someday but until then, there will always be Paris...er, my layout.

I will be on the lookout for the LED spotlights.

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For some time, I have been wanting to rebuild, convert, corrupt, etc. Shay #4 (shown as #5, Lizzy here). She was a Bachmann On30 "T" boiler loco which I "upscaled" to 35n2 with new cab, boiler, bunker, details...but I left the original vertical firebox which has sorta bothered me for some time.
I got some new gearbox parts from Bachmann and installed them on little #1 which made her run like brand new, she had run many miles up & down heavy grades on the Mogollon Ry and the little plastic gears had just worn out. I got 2 sets of gears and decided the other day to fix #4 also. While I had her down, I went ahead and got rid of the "offending" vertical firebox.



Here's an old photo of #4. She looked OK but that firebox...well, it just HAD to go.



Now it's gone! Please excuse the mess and dust and craaap...and the fact that she ain't finished. But the firebox has been changed. With some more work and clean-up, #4 will be "right as rain". The boiler is unchanged, it came from an old MDC 2-8-0 kit which was in turn changed to an On30 loco for a buddy. All I did was to get rid of the firebox casting and raise the boiler up about 1/16" so the new firebox would clear the top of the vertically-mounted motor. I cut a piece out of the engineer's side of the cab so the new "details" could be seen (a bunch of NBWs, wire, and other doo-dads). None of the superstructure has been attached yet but I JUST HAD to see what she will look like. The steam dome is from a Bachmann On30 2-6-0 and is just the right size. The bunker houses the board and most of the battery (to be hidden with crew and "stuff" in the cab).
The real SCPA&M #4 was a 3 cylinder Shay but I ain't that crafty (or crazy) that I will attempt to change the drive train. So, now #4 looks acceptable as a "stand-in" for one of the SC's lokies.
When I get her done, I will post a photo or two.

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Woodie,
Shay #4 is looking really good. I like the small compact look.
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Hey Wooddie....

I take it you know about #4's Ozzie look-alike that ran on 2'6"?
http://munrotramway.wixsite.com/mthg/locomotives

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Pretty brave bit of hacking there Woodie. Looking good now but no doubt even better when finished.

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John, I didn't know about the "non-T boiler" Shays on the line. What I was aiming for is at least a "creditable" version of a Silver City loco. There were no "T' boiler jobs there, #3, #4, & #5 had "modern" looks, no fluted domes like #1 & #2. I would love to have models of each of the Shays but,alas, economics and time to do the work limit me to just two. Both these locos are pretty old, the first ones (Shays) Bachmann brought out...maybe 16 or 17 years old and have been run "like dogs"! Back when the pinion gear debacle(cracked gears) arose, a certain Mr. K from some northern state made me some sets of brass gears which fixed THAT problem for all time. As I wrote, both lokies now have brand new motor to crankshaft gears, hopefully good for another 17 years!
Doug, Keith- she will look OK in a while, this thread is "warts and all" so what you see is what..........

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" Please excuse the mess and dust "


No problemo Woodrow :cb:


It just appears 'authentic' ! :shocked:


Could be just the inspiration Jose is looking for, to save a few $$$ bucks on vacuum-cleaner bags...

...& just model the S.P. narrow-gauge, as you suggested ! ;)


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Jose is looking for, to save a few $$$ bucks on vacuum-cleaner bags...

Not quite, I am looking for the easiest way to do it. I am getting older and lazier...
Jose.

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Morning Woodie et al:
Returned from Silver City-not too much has changed in the last 10 years or so. A few more houses have encroached on the SC PA & M RR right of way, and more of the ubiquitous "no trespassing" signs have recently appeared in places that I use to hike and drive the jeep.
This time I hiked back to the site of the Hair Pin Loop:

The Hair Pin loop was the most famous landmark on the SC, PA & M, and was located at the base  of Pinos Altos mountain (Now known as W Mountain) where the grade increased for the last 3-4 miles up the mountains.
Based on the circa 1907 photograph above, it seems strange that the place was called "Pinos Altos" (tall pines in spanish).  But, this pic was taken after 30 years of mining. Prior to that time, the hills were covered in Ponderosa Pine and Alligator Juniper. It should be noted that the average stamp mill that processed the copper/gold/silver ore could use dozens of cords per day, as well as what the residents of Silver City and Pinos Altos cut to heat their adobe homes. Today, you can still see hand cut (with an ax) stumps cut in 19th century-the trees were pretty big by desert standards (some of the stumps are 3-4' across). Here is the same angle of the hairpin loop taken last weekend:

Not much to see! Actually the grade is in pretty good shape, it just doesn't lend itself to photographs as it is thick and brushy...someday a forest fire will wipe it out along with the McMansions that are encroaching it. 



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Duane, much like the area around Blackhawk & Central City, "progress" has changed things...for the worse! Kind of like the idiots who want to build condos up near Phantom Curve on the CATS, they griped about the "awful smoke & noise" from the passing trains, which had been traveling the same tracks for over 100 years before the numbnuts arrived!
Yep, things change but mostly not for the better.

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After looking at "today's" hairpin curve, I have decided that I will "festoon" the area with shrubs, more cactus, and some small trees! I would imagine that in 10 years or so (from 1907 to 1920) there would be foliage popping up everywhere. Awww geez...more work!

NOW FOR THE SHAY:



#4 is further along. Yep, still more to do but here she is now. I raised the boiler a bit to clear the motor and that has caused a balance problem...she's top heavy! I have heard that about some ladies but this is an iron lady. So now I need to either cram some lead under the running boards or hog out the steam dome (plenty of room there) to allow the boiler to be set back down. And I thought I was through! That's what I get for thinkin'.
BUT...she's no longer a "T" boiler lokie, and that's what I wanted her to be for a good while.

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She looks very pert Woodie and a little as if she's got her high heels on. Will the whole body unit come down on the trucks more or was that a prototypical stance anyway?


Doug

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Howdy Doug, the stock bolsters and frame are used. I took off the brake beams some time ago and don't know where I stashed them. I am thinking of attaching some lead strips under the running boards anyway, that may cure the too high appearance...and also increase the tractive effort. As she stands, everything above the running boards is different also.

If I can find another On30 Shay cheap (no DCC, sound) then I may see if I can make #3 or #5. That 2 cylinder bugaboo will be unchanged but then, I ain't a machinist, just a blacksmith.

***Update*** I did lower the boiler after some whacking and made a firebox from lead...with more fiddling she may be OK. Sure runs better with all the new weight!***

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

Nice photo !
The engine house is a cool backdrop for the 4 spot.

I quite like the 'jacked-up' & 'hoppin-hydros' suspension look on No.4 ;)

PIMP MY PORTER :pimp:

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Howdy guys, I added a new "square" firebox made from .060 lead sheet which will be covered with rivet-embossed plastic and pieces of the same lead under the frame, barely noticeable. That and the lowering of the boiler a little bit made everything "jake". When I find those old brake beams/shoes, that should make #4 look a little more civilized. I didn't realize the superstructure weight would cause that many problems-top heaviness. Now she weighs a good bit more than old #1...just like it should be.
That seems to be today's lesson in rocket surgery.

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Thursday evening and nothing much to do...Except send some colorized photos of things along the line. Much of this has been shown before, probably from different views. But what else is there to do tonight?



The Grant County Telephone Co. has been "wired for sound" and power, along with the Aztec mine. Phone and power lines are sprouting up everywhere, times are great in Silver City.
The GCT work truck is a WW1 surplus Ford ambulance. Reels of phone line are about to be loaded on another old flatbed along with some phone poles. The work truck is full of insulators, tools, and other hardware, and plenty of ladders. Modernity comes to the Gila Rim



Close by the phone co. is the limestone tipple. The old Gilpin Tram ore car is used for the stone which is used in the smelting process as a flux. A conveyor brings the limestone from the diggings which are just over the small rise in the background. The old Model T has seen better days but is still used by the crew.



#4 and train heads to the smelter passing the Aztec Mine and limestone tipple. The "caboose" was brought down from the old Mogollon Railway where it spent many winters outside (it Really did!). Note the pile of spikes and ties beyond the old hack. Those spikes are at least 60 years old, back when HO spikes actually looked like spikes but were more scaled to 1:48 or 1:35. If I had lots of them, I would have spiked the track with em'. When a bit of glue & water was put on them to stick them down, they rusted in a most realistic manner.


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Yes Woodie the old square spikes with the sharp point. Some I have have used on 3 or 4 former layouts, I only throw them out when they get really terribly bent. I always bought the half inch long variety, so that they went through the home sawed ties, into the Homasote sub-base.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:


NICE PIX. !


I dunno if you've been playing with your light-bulbs...

...or could be my imagination...

...but those pix. somehow look 'brighter' than previously.

??


AH ! ... The PECO IL-13 ( I think ) rail-spikes !

Quite useful for splitting diamonds. ;)


1/2" long & yep ! square-shank.

Nice, cos they don't rotate in the 'oles !


I spiked some Code-100 ages ago using these, for 1:24n3, worked out pretty good.

Could be a bit of a bumpy ride with Code-83 though ?


I have some Shinohara HOn3 spikes, but these are hard to get here in Blightey.

The dude that sells Micro Engineering track here, dosen't seem to have their spikes, last time I looked.

So when I finally get round to spiking some rail, it looks like PECO IL-13s are the company standard. ;)


Herb, have you tried straightening the bent ones on the fly-press ? ;) ;)


:moose:


Si.


Q. Do Micro Engineering spikes have round shanks ?


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Si, the ME spikes do have round (wire) shanks. The old spikes I mentioned were made by Model Hobbies (remember them, Herb?) back in the early 50's. The stinkin' things look just like real little spikes, which they are. In my case, just enough for "detail" by the track side. HOWEVER, the LHS was out of the ME spikes I was using so I got "conned" into using WALTHERS spikes. Gotta say that these are BETTER than the ME spikes. The steel they use seems to be stouter than the ME steel so they resist bending when you look at em'. You should be able to get Walthers stuff across the big ditch, look in their online catalog. They have different lengths, I think mine are 3/8" long???
Lights? I used the "adjustment" feature in my 'puter. Is it too much? I can re-do them.

If you order spikes, be sure to get MORE THAN ENOUGH...sometimes they fly away (Oh yes, use eye protection!)

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" Is it too much? "


Howdy Woodie :cb:


Nar ... the pix. look GREAT !


Duane said it is 'very bright' there at Silver City. :shocked:


Probably my imagination, but...

...just looking again, there is more shadow-detail than 'yer average' pic.


I've 'bumped up' the brightness a bit in a few of my cellphone pix. sometimes...

...works pretty well !


:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:


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...just looking again, there is more shadow-detail than 'yer average' pic.
Yes, but keep in mind that it's entirely prototypical. Desert sun, ya know...
Jose.

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Hi Jose :wave:


Yeah, that's what I mean.



In Sam Peckinpahs movies shot in New Mexico, the shadows are often JUST like Woodies pix.


I don't think he used much, if ANY, additional lighting or reflectors on his location shots.


The light coloured surrounding ground cover, is just ONE BIG fill in reflector.


So you get a distinct shadow line from the sun + loads of detail in the dark areas.


The sky still comes out OK and saturated as well.



Next stop HOLLYWOOD for W.C.G !



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OK, a left-handed Shay. Just what I need, then I can run one one way & this one the other way and always get to see the "action".

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oh wow

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If I am not mistaken, I think left-hand Shays were known as Williamettes (not sure about the spelling).

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Larry,

That's not true. The Williamette had some improvements on Shay's. See here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willamette_locomotive

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Larry, Lima built 4 of these little left-handed models for a "Mexican mining road". They were 36" gauge.I don't think Williamette built any narrow gauge jobs, they were all big old standard gauge locos. I do know(?) that NWSL (Northwest Short Line) was the only company to import a model of a Williamette, that was HO scale.

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Alwin,
I stand corrected. This shows how much I know.
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It's OK, I don't know nothin' anyway. Just ask me...

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I'm asking, what do you know for sure.

I just keep guessing, hoping for a correct answer once in a while.

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OK, this I do know. After many, many years of freelancing narrow gauge railroads, this time I am following a real prototype (with a couple of concessions) as best that I can. That's what I know.
Now, what was the question?

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For those who love dozers...
Over in Si's story about Mysterious Moose Mountain, the railroad-related ramblings have been suspended due to interest in small bulldozers and vehicles with tracks so I thought that I'd do the same. Both Si and Doug have built and shown what they have done with a Tamiya 1:48 Komatsu bulldozer kit. I finally got one and have proceeded to goof it up. Doug's model is a derelict piece of rusting machinery in the weeds, Si's has been "reassigned" into a 1:35 crawler. Like Si, I wanted a 1:35 model...so without any further adieu, here 'tis:





Still in "pristine" dark green paint, I offer my per"version" of the beautiful kit. Some cutting & whacking was done (blade enlarged with styrene, tracks widened with tubing, and a large operator's seat). For those who would like a small, even in O scale, dozer...this is a great kit and easy to assemble and not too hard on the pocketbook. Still to do is make some HOLT decals for the radiator sides and weathering.
When I started this, I thought that the blade would need to have a cable & winch to raise & lower it...a backdate to 1920. But in looking at the net, I found an ancient video of a "1920 bulldozer in use at a trash dump" (Google it) and low & behold...it had a hydraulic blade control just like the model! Instead of making too much work for myself, I installed the hydraulic parts.
She's still a little one, similar to the 5 ton Holt shown in Si's thread but fits my scheme better than a big machine, I only have so much room on the layout. Now I need to figure out what to do with this...after the weathering (not too much) is done.
Thanks guys for helping me spend my money. I guess it's RAMEN for next week's dinners.

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Larry,

Williamette's technically aren't shays.  As Alwin linked to, they were an improvement on the design. All were built in Portland and were used exclusively in the Northwest of the US.

The #7 in the wiki page was used at Bonner/Milltown, Montana (just east of Missoula) at a large lumber mill at the mouth of the Blackfoot River.  The Lumber mill is still in use and the grade this engine worked on is still present as a spur from the mill to the BNSF mainline.  Past the mill, the grade is visible along the Blackfoot River opposite the road for several miles, including the remains of a few trestles.



What's great is that this engine is still on display and you can walk right up to it any time.

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What about a Best 30?:

http://fairfieldfarmer.tumblr.com/image/157122201026

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Yes, very cool. My only problem is that I can't afford the kits , the amount of time it takes to build, the space they require on the layout, and when would I find time to run trains? Otherwise, I would love to make models of all those beautiful tracked machines. Surely a lifetime project.

Thanks Jose, for another neat find.
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I've always wondered why a railroad/mine would order left hand Shays.

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Duane, the mining concern that ordered the Shays was owned by Englishmen. Now, does that make sense? Or maybe they just wanted to have something nobody else had. Such a model could be built without too much hassle, I have thought about it.

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Here is a photo of one of the Mexican Lefties.
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-757.htm
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W C Greene wrote: For those who love dozers...
Over in Si's story about Mysterious Moose Mountain, the railroad-related ramblings have been suspended due to interest in small bulldozers and vehicles with tracks so I thought that I'd do the same.






That's come out very well as a 1/35 job Woodie, just right for a small "get in anywhere" 'dozer. I'm playing with the idea of a full blown Holt job - they're too good to resist the challenge - but it depends on being able to get suitable parts together from the bits box. The search is on and the Tamiya donor is on my work desk but the future is to say the least uncertain!

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Howdy Woodie :cb:


I do like the modded dozer ! :bg:

I had thought about widening the tracks as well.

I hadn't thought about widening the blade though...

...cos I weren't gonna have one !!

But.

You've made me think maybe I SHOULD have a blade ?

Mmm...

DARN it, I'm s l o w . . .


Woodie, nice job !!

I was gonna say, I can't believe you've got it done already.

But...

...I CAN BELIEVE you've got it done already !! ;)


:moose:


Si.


Just got that damn Airfix bus kit you reminded me of from my youfff. ;)

Looks FUN !! :bg:


L a t e r . . .

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Si, it wasn't too hard to increase the width, the blade supports are mounted to the track supports so when you widen those, the blade parts widen "automatically". The blade was easy with some sheet styrene, I'm gonna weather and make it look well used so I didn't take too much time making flush joints. The rest of the dozer will be pretty well maintained but there will be dirt on the tracks. I cut the hood sides open and put in an old motor but the blade parts pretty much hide the extra work. Knowing that now, I wouldn't make the effort. Oh well. Generally I am happy with the way she looks, photos of the finished job will follow. And no this has caused me to adapt an old Mogollon structure into a...a...tractor repair shop!
Look at what you've done...made me work on something!

The old Airfix bus is cool. Have fun!

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OK NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE...
Now that I have just about completed the dozer, I found that I needed somewhere to display it and some other crap that I have stashed in junk box #???.





A little rust and dirt and she's just about done. The HOLT name will be put on the radiator. And now...I was able to use an old Mogollon building as the new tractor & dozer workshop. And a whole bunch of machine tools and stuff will come out of the junk box and finally get used!
More to come.

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oh wow a bunch of moosies for all the hard work

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W C Greene wrote: Duane, the mining concern that ordered the Shays was owned by Englishmen. Now, does that make sense? Or maybe they just wanted to have something nobody else had. Such a model could be built without too much hassle, I have thought about it.

That makes sense. The Brits seem to do things different than everyone else.

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Woodie,
Your bulldozer forray reminds me of geometry - you've gone off a tangent, again, haven't you?! You've just gotta love this hobby!

Mark

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OK, here's the last (maybe) that you'll hear or see about this subject. May I present to you:



The infamous dozer as she appears today! It's always harder to "unbuild" something, especially something with somewhat delicate parts. But I thought about it and obsessed about it all last night...I really wanted something "older" than what I built...and after looking at Si's comment about "yeller dozers", I decided to get out the Exacto #1 and some yellow Floquil (reefer yellow) and get after it. So after a gloomy, rainy day, cold day in Big D...I am DONE...again.
Backdated to an older bulldozer with a winch to raise the blade and the overhead structure to handle it, and a coat of yellow paint, I hope I am done with this thing!

Now all I need to do is paint and mess with about 200 pieces of "shop equipment" to inhabit the new building. AND build the last Lindberg Model T kit I have with it being worked on inside. Geez, I build one stinkin' thing and it "morphs" and then I have to build a whole bunch of other things...and on and on.
Yes, Mark, I am on a tangent but not the type of track (hmmm) that I am usually on.
Come to think of it, there ain't much tangent trackage on the layout, so never mind.


***Jim and Comet the dog are getting tired of all this upheaval!***

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Woodie,

Nicely done!! I've always had a soft spot for construction equipment. Saw alot of highway construction around my hometown while growing up and it was fun to watch.

Mark E

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Watch out for the Blue Meanies ! :cool:


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See you couldn't resist the beam and cable lift version. Nicely done and very much in keeping with the era.

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A SHOP TOO FAR.....so far.
Things just keep growing or maybe just getting more complicated. Here are 3 new photos of what's happening at the mechanic's shop. None of this stuff is glued down...yet. This structure is located on the lift-out that crosses the kitchen door so everything here will have to be glued down with massive amounts of glue because sometimes this piece is hung up sideways while not in use (when trains aren't running).



some of the "stuff" is set in place, probably not where it will be glued, but so I can check it out. The Model T is having it's motor pulled out for an overhaul. The stash of 1:35 field tool kits and other junk is barely affected, so far.



This "old timey" photo shows more tools, etc. that are to be fixed in place.






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Love your scenes....they bring the layout to life.
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THE LAST PICTURE SHOW...well, not the last pictures but the LAST (maybe) one of the repair shop. This one was taken around dark just before "beer 30" begins.



I got around to installing lights, all I need is to build the roof now. My friend Daniel Caso is sending me a mould for Spanish tile roofing that is not only made from individual tiles but is 1:35 scale! So however long it takes to ship from the other side of the world to Texas, that's how long it will be till the roof is built. In the mean time, I believe that I will run a train tonight.
BTW, everything is glued down in the shop, the section can be stood on it's side. Ahhh, progress.

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That's very effective Woodie. The amount of light looks just right with the shadow areas balancing the lit.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:


Great stuff with the repair shop ! :bg:


That wouldn't happen to be a Life-Like 'Old Timers' Model-T would it ?

I just bought one of those anyway, looks pretty cool !


The building looks neat, or should I say, Messy ;) as well !

That junk in those mining repair shops just builds up & up !!

The big-block engine is cool, I guess that might be out of a tank, or maybe a Spitfire ?

Who knows, those crazy miners & loggers will butcher anything that burns gas ! :shocked:


Be great to see a helicopter shot, to see the overall size & how it fits on the lift out.

Demanding, aint I.


I think I recognize the shop as maybe not all, but part of, your repair shop that got moved a couple of times on the Mogollon.

Yep, I am trying to follow the story. :cool:


:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:


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Hello Woodie,
I don't mean to nitpick, but is the workshop OSHA and EPA compliant? I think I can see some potential spills and unprotected  machinery, so you may need to revise the model some.
I enjoyed seeing your modeling, and thank you for sending the progress updates!
Keith

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Did OSHA exist in the 30's? ;)

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Rick, 
You're correct - OSHA wasn't created until 1974. However, I think the IRS was around during Woodie's modeled era, so maybe he needs to model that!:P
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Si, that is a Lindberg Model T, still manufactured (along with a 32 Model A and some others) and bears a "Lindberg 1957" stamp under the running boards. And you got it right, that big block comes from a Tiger I believe, it just looks neat and what else am I gonna do with it?
Keith, the OSHA inspector was found hanging under the Pinos Altos bridge...a fatal mistake he made after "inspecting" the bridge at night! EPA? Say what? And the IRS, my old Triumph had that-Independent Rear Suspension. The IRS has something to do with rear ends?

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