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 Posted: Sun Feb 2nd, 2014 09:44 pm
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What are you guys using for "flocking" to when creating "caspia pine" trees? I'm trying to learn this technique and I'm comfortable with creating the trunks and branches now, but I'm wondering how to finish it.

What I'm wondering is what type of material to go with for flocking it. I've thought of 3 things to use:

There's fine ground foam texture, something along the lines of http://www.sceneryexpress.com/FINE-OLIVE-GREEN-FLOCK-6-oz/productinfo/NH07200/.

There's this stuff which seems even finer than ground foam, http://www.sceneryexpress.com/BURNT-GREEN-FINE-32-oz/productinfo/EX812B/.

But then I thought, what if I tried using static grass in an effort to simulate pine needles, http://www.sceneryexpress.com/DARK-GREEN-STATIC-GRASS-FLOCK/productinfo/WD0636/.

Any recommendations?

Oh and here's what the tree looks like so far without flocking...

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 Posted: Mon Feb 3rd, 2014 05:06 am
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Titus (cannot see your name sorry)tree looks good.
I would suggest making the trunk a lot darker with stains then flock. I used Woodlands Scenic Coarse Turf Dark Green for my trees on the Lost Creek RR. Several applications were needed to get the coverage I was comfortable with using non perfumed hair spray as the fixative applied liberally during and after adding the flock.
On other posts here some folk us static grass to very good effect so you could do both to two different trees and see which you prefer.
Have fun.
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 Posted: Mon Feb 3rd, 2014 05:41 am
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@Rod:

Regarding the darker trunk, I had actually experimented with that tonight. I had used Builders-in-Scale's Silverwood stain on the first few trunks, but I gave it a go with their "Blackwood" stain then dry brushed some gray on it after and I think that might be the look I go with. The blackwood by itself was a tad dark, but I think the color variation and "pop" from the dry brushing was something I liked. I'll probably stick with that in the future, though I'm still considering experimenting with some brown rit dye before I settle on something.

I'm really surprised by the use of *course* turf. I hadn't figured that would work. Do you have any pictures of that?

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Would add a layer of 2mm fibers with a thea sieve, after that I use WS fine turf weeds, think the coarse turf is ehm to coarse...



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 Posted: Mon Feb 3rd, 2014 11:18 pm
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In the On30 section of this forum "The start of my Lost Creek RR" on page 2 and 3 you might see some of the trees I have done. There is a mixture of wire and rope trees along with a few pines like you are making these were my first attempt at such large trees.
Just try a few and see what size of flock you like. If they do not turn out like you want just add them to the rear of your scenery and behind the better ones you make . After all it is your RR.
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You can try this its very easy http://dansresincasting.com/Ground%20foam.htm

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 Posted: Sat Feb 15th, 2014 03:37 pm
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For anyone interested, I tried both 2mm static grass and very fine ground texture. I'm not 100% satisfied with either. Going to keep experimenting...


2mm STATIC GRASS:



FINE GROUND TEXTURE:

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 Posted: Sat Feb 15th, 2014 03:40 pm
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Dennis,

A few years back I decided to try making my own ground foam. It happened to be on the same day one of my wife's friends came over. The look on her face when she saw me putting foam and pouring acrylic paint into a blender was priceless. I had to assure her we owned two blenders, one for food and another I had picked up at a garage sale for other uses.

Creating your own foam is actually a bit more challenging than it seems. I couldn't quite get a good penetration of the paint all the way through the foam, and it was a bit harder to control the size of the end result. That said, everything gets better with practice so I'm sure a few more tries I could get better results.

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Titus,

The Fine texture ground foam I think looks pretty good, maybe add a few more branches next time. One thing I learned not to rely upon is what everyone thinks a tree should look like. By itself, that tree looks a little thin, but put it in with a small group of trees and I thin you'll be surprised at how full the foliage will look.

In a forest, every tree is competing with every other tree nearby for light. Every tree is trying to grow taller and get the most light, and what results is that most of the (green) branches will grow in the upper half of the tree where there is the most light. What also results from this is that the trees don't have thick, bushy branches. The only trees that look like that are on golf courses and suburban homes.

Your tree, assuming it's supposed to be in a forest among other trees, looks fine. I'd say make a couple more, group them together, and see what you think. I'll also add in that a couple of branches towards the top of the tree would make it look great too.

Ad By the way, the flocking, if you can use it a bit more sparingly, would make that pine look a lot like a ponderosa pine. Their needles are a good 6" long and grow in clumps of about 10-20.

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Seeing you're from colorado, I assume you know what different types of pine trees look like. But just for reference, here are a couple photos to prove my point from the post above:

Here is a good photo of naturally growing ponderosa pines:
http://www.science.oregonstate.edu/bpp/BOT415/Mistletoes/Mistletoe%20%20Ponderosa%20pine%20.jpg

Compared to a ponderosa grown at Northern Arizona University:
http://www4.nau.edu/arboretum/Womack/images/W11.jpg

But I'm guessing you weren't going for a ponderosa pine, so here is a "White Pine" from Minnesota:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSy52jvfbLPAWVCpWobEU6Fn2EEDu0j249_0vphE-rN946oxrgKpQ

As you can see, the wild trees don't grow nearly as thick, and so your model tree (the ground foam decorated tree) looks pretty good in my opinion.

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