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Hi there :wave:

Thought that I would start my thread about myon30 railroad project. I currently building to 4mm fine scale which I do not have time for and is becoming bit of a chore. My dad builds UK narrow gauge and have always gone to the Swanley narrow gauge shows with him and always got drawn to the on30stuff and thought to my self why not, I'm married, have a mortgage, daughter ( with now one on the way) so don't have much time. Basically I want a free lance railway, want to buy and run ready to run locos, lay pre-made track and just have fun with out being under the thumb of the proto type.

My layout is going to be L shaped and will be made up of 4 600x1000mm modules with a fiddle yard at one end. The rail road will be a small station terminus with a few sidings and a coal mine and want to base it on 2 foot gauge. All loco will be mainly the Bachmann porters and converted HO gauge locos, rolling stock will be made up of Chivers Kits, converted HO gauge and scratch built items.

Below is a basic plane of what I want at the moment. Please ignore the sizes this was a rough guide.

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It's no good if it becomes a chore.

Welcome to the wild world of free and easy freelancing !

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Basic track work is getting there, this is all Peco 0-16.5 point work and Peco setrack- yep setrack. This is all old or second hand track, I removed the old sleepers and then relaced them with Peco narrow gauge sleepers and then saved the stream line rail for the fiddle yard that will be laid on copper clad.
Reason for this I could keep changing this around until I get the design I wanted also it holds its curves which will make it easier when I come to lay the track permanently.
Also note thing may look good when in just setrack for planning but when the sleepers are changed it no longer looks right. ;)
All metal fish plates have been soldered to prevent resistance and hold the track together more strongly and all plastic insulated fish plates or rail joiners have been super glued in place.

I can here you asking why am I doing this, it will become clearer later on in the project.

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Looking good Daniel and looking forward to seeing more from you.

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Hi Daniel,the whole idea of a hobby is to take your mind of other things in life and relax your mind.(Mental escape)If it is becoming a real chore it is time to change direction.I can only repeat what Tom said,,,,,,Welcome to the wild world of free and easy freelancing !,,,,IT'S FUN...The hobby is there to enjoy and sometimes like I have done,you do what you can with what you have in time and money...Just remember ....It's your layout,you do what you like..if some one else does not like it ,it's there problem.My layout is totally freelance and I love it ,even though it has an Australian theme, it uses American style rolling stock.What you are doing looks good and interesting (I hang a RIVET at the door for the rivet counters) cheers Peter.. :):old dude:

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Total agreement with ya'll. I have known too many modelers who followed the rivet and prototype trail and almost all of them are now collecting bird eggs or rare Russian postal stamps. The guys I hang with go their own ways and do what they feel like doing. My interest in model railroading saved me from bad life choices and was a damn sight cheaper than a therapist! Have fun and run a train today.

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Looks good so far!

But I think I know where you hid the Christmas presents. ;)

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Cheers guys

Ha the presents are for my daughter and she isn't allowed in the model room.:2t:

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Below is a picture of a Bachmann Spectrum HO gauge 4-6-0 tender loco which I'm currently converting to on30. It came with on board sound in the tender but using them for my Bachmann HO 0-6-0 switcher conversion. All pipe work, cab and chimney was removed and a new cab was made out of styrene sheet and bass wood, cow catcher was a kit from EDM models in the UK but think it imported from the states and the chimney and head light is from a Bachmann Shay. Been mucking around with different tenders to go with it, can't make my mind.

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Below is a picture of a Chivers Fine Line 14ft caboose Kit, these are excellent models that go together perfectly and the cab doesn't have to be glued down it just simply clips on and off.
The tanker is a HO gauge plastic kit (Forgot the name of manufacturer) I just simply took off the tank via screws in the bogies, laid a strip of bass wood onto the chassis (scribed the wood first) made the ends out of bass wood strip, same with the under frame. Added Kadee couplings (straight swap) then refitted the tank.

Painted the wood work of the 2-6-0 loco and tanker wagon with Acrylic Burnt Amber and diluted with Tamiya thinners (Alcohol)Will up load pic soon.:)

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Hi Daniel

Nice work on the caboose & tank car.

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Hi Si

Cheers

I'm pleased how they came out. Simple, easy, quick build time and most of all fun. :)

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Wow.
Pick these up at my club last night and going to convert over the Christmas period. :bg:




Some paint added to the 4-6-0 conversion.

Full rake of tankers in line on the passing loop waiting for passenger train or a shay pulled log train to by pass.


Hmm can't wait for the station, water tower and hill side.

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Hi all

New up date, below are some pics of what i've been up to over the evenings of the christmas period.

Not much on the modeling but the baseboards are comming along nicely, this is were most of my time and effort has been put into, sorry no pics of these yet but I shall take some soon and post them and will explain the build of them at a later date. (The ones in the pics are for my EM gauge layout).

Below my first tanker coversion now stained and ready for some red oxid on the ends and side frame, plus detals.


Below is the start of my rake of three tankers to be converted, the tanker was taken apart the steps on the main chassis removed and small rivet deatail removed too, and thats it.

The Base wood was cut to the same length as the chassis and was cut to 1.5 inches wide (6ft width).

The Basswood was then scribbed using a blunt swan morton blade and the center for these type of tankers had to be cut out for the tank to set into to refit back on to the chassis. (this looked better that being placed directly on top of the Basswood.

Under side view, this is not prototipilcal but you cant see the under side when on the layout so was not worried about it..

Been called by the wife so I will have to finnish later.:bang:

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Back again.

Trial fit of the tanker, small amount of shaving requires at the ends.


Nice snug fit, no day light gaps.



Just simply cut stips of basswood to length and glued on. Oh please not all this has been glue with 15second rocket glue, this is great stuff as it give you a small amount of time to adjust and then its stuck no waiting around for the glue to dry.



Finnished just requires painting and some details to be added.

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Looking good, Michael!


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Hi Daniel

I hear Swanley was part hit by storm 'blackout'...
...power was off here right through Christmas; 50 HOURS !!...
...Oh well.

Tanks are lookin' good !
Are you considering scale nail-holes & bird-poop ?
(just kiddin' ... ( or am I ! ))

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One comment...
...the end-beams should be thicker; i.e. squareish timbers.

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Cheers herb, glad you like them.

Hi Si, yeah we got it bad, but not as bad as the west country.

Yes I think your right and going to replace the end beams with bigger timber, plus add nail holes. I want the black tanker to look like its sat for a will under trees so want lichens (spelling) to look like its growing on the top, plus bird s##t.

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Thought I would show a small photo shoot of my Bachmann H0 conversion.

With an old cast tanker type tender, sorry don't nowhat there called.

Front view, added a cow catcher from bandit models. This is for the large 4-6-0 so cut it down to size. Just found out that they do one for the 4-4-0 which would have fitted perfectly.

Started working on the tender but not convinced of it looks behind this loco. Brought another one of these from the Bachmann spectrum range which is longer, better looking, plus plugs directly into this loco and holds the sound card. but was still not to happy with it.




So built this tender instead from styrene sheet and a bogie that cost me 20p:bg: Much better.

P.S stripped the acrylic paint back. stuff didn't take, was being lazy and didn't prime first (prefer enamels).

Below is my Bachmann porter, This is fitted with a tsunami sound chip and has a 108:1 gear box fitted. The tender has a bogie brought for 30p and added pick ups, The Bed plate belt from styrene and the tender is a Bachmann Shay tender that was cut down in width, new white metal head light and was weathered by my self to. Sorry for the stripped down picture of the loco, super glue got drawn into the gear box and locked up :doh: . Now under going a gear box change.

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OOPS. here's the pic.

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Daniel-the 4-6-0's tender is a Vanderbilt tender...could be oil or coal...or whetever you want. Looks good.

Woodie

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Funky locy Daniel !

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Hi Woodie

Thanks for the info.

Hi Si glad you like.

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Hi all

Thought that I would up load some pic's of my baseboards that are constructed out of 6mm play skins sandwich together over small lengths of softwood to make a very strong but extremely light construction. They measure 1000mm x 580mm x 150mm (4 in total) and the inside skin is 50mm lower so the 5omm deep insulation board (baseboard top) to sit into.

The legs are constructed from length of pine and ply wood construction. They simply flat pack and open out into a solid A frame that's very ridged and doesn't flex.

The idea is if and when I exhibit the layout its very light and easy to handle and all folds up nicely for transport.







At the mo. I have just layer foam board sheet's on top as I didn't have the insulation board at the time and laid out the track plane. today I got the insulation boards, cut them to size and have fitted them to each board but I forgot to take some pic's.


:bg: Fine I've got a layout going.:glad:

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Daniel-that is some fine work! I really like the "legs" (support). I am waiting for more, more, MORE.

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Top notch carpentry!

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I have been told, flatery will get me NOWHERE !

But ... " Nice legs ! " normaly works alright !

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Hi

Cheers guys much appreciated, ha yeah I've got great legs shame about the ones connected to me bodie:bg:

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Hi all

Sorry been a bit slack lately on the forum as I have had a few personal issues.
During this time I have been converting the garage to house the layout. The floors have been painted with layers of latex rubber damp proof paint and the walls have had breathable roof felt attached to them as a cold barrier and to help prevent sweating. After the floor was left to dry for a week a sheet of damp proof membrane was laid on the floor followed by 25mm polystyrene and the 18mm 2by8ft tongue & groove chipboard loft flooring (moisture resistant)to create an insulated floating floor.
Next the walls were lined with 25mm polystyrene to act as insulation, this is great and noticed the difference instantly. The walls were then shuttered with stud walling. As can be seen in the pic's the 240v cables have been routed before the plaster board goes on and the wooden wall is to partition the garage into two half's. Most of the plaster board has now been added, but I done my back in so not much has been done the past two weeks, but hope fully will get it finished soon and will then take some more pics.



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Nice space !

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Nice room Daniel!

Are you accepting reservations for the 2015 travel season yet?

Seriously, looks like it's going to be a great place to create your rail empire.

Please keep us posted!!


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Hi Daniel

Top ticket on the garage dude !

Cheers.

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Thanks guy's
Got a bit more done the last two evenings have fitted a door frame and have hung the door on the partition section with all the gubbings.

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The gubbings is always tricky !

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Good work on your RR room Daniel it should make for a neat RR room away from everything else.
Just wish I could get back to mine.
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Hate the gubbings and finishing parts.

The plaster boarding and the doors are finished, just need to paper tape the joints and put filler over the plaster board screws, then it's painting and electric's.:bang:

Been busy the Chivers fine line kits are now built and painted they just need weathering and my 4-6-0 is nearly finished and weathered sorry no pic's of the loco.

Below is a picture of a Peco Setrack curved point which I re-timbered with copper clad sleeper strip's or tie's as you guys call them in the US.




Got a few more pictures to post when I get a five minutes. this week.

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More pics of the layout.
The foam board has been glued in and parts shaped in places, Some rubber/cork mix track bed has been laid down using Evo contact adhesive (if you don't want to end up high as a kite then use in a well ventilated area) and the track loosely laid down to make sure I'm happy. I think I'm going to put the station on the next board not yet built that will go beyond the bridge and an extra yard lane to go in on the left hand side by the passing loop.
I hope now you can see why I converted the Peco Setrack with narrow gauge sleepers.







Below are pictures of my nearly finished Chivers Fine line kits in the coalmine yard.




Hope you like, any comments are welcome.

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Hi Daniel

The Peco curved-setrack conversion is MEGA dude !

Sorry; brownie-points OFF for this...
...ties, YES; points, wha yer on a booot ?
Nice new curved SWITCH ! (wink).
These US of A boys l bust yer a$$ for that point jazz !!!

Love yer lil' Gilpin boose holmes.

TOO MUCH to say I like ! ...
...The layout is already lookin' VANDABIDOSEY !

All the best.

Later.

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Hi Si

Thanks for you kind comments, went to the narrow gauge south the other week and spent some money :bg: could have spent a s##t load. One of the traders had loads of US wooden kits for sale.
Brought some scribed wood, windows and door, loco cab, and a hill side water tower so this should keep me busy for a while.

All though I need to finish the station and a few of the models I have already started :y:

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Nice work Daniel
I have built almost 80 of the Chivers/Slimrails cars, needless to say I am a fan, some of my models are posted on this forum, also on the Slimrails website.
If you do a search you will find them.
Or send me a PM and I can email you some photos to give you some more ideas, these kits are great fun and excellent runners, I have just recently completed building 24 of the 4 wheeled open wagons, these look great.
Keep up the good work, I look forward to following your progress.

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Hi Tony

Thank you very much, that's a lot of chiver's kits. Bet its like Christmas when that lot was posted through the door. :bg:

Thanks for the info, was wondering how to felt the roofs in larger scales.

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Hi all

Just a quick up date, have been working hard on the garage conversion and in the mean time been working on the Bachmann Spectrum 2-6-0 H0 scale. Don't no if I have mentioned this before in the last update of this loco I have reposition the cab to make it look better. A few details have been added, then a re spray, weathering by dry brush and air brush/plus high lighting and then a few more details added along the way with the same painting method as above. The Driver is no painted and fitted but I need a fireman as the one I've got doesn't rely suit the cab arrangement.
I have added a light to the tender as I'm not having a turntable but this was bigger than the shay one fitted to the front so I well get a new one a narrow gauge south in two weeks.
Hopefully I will finish this soon, the garage will be ready and then get some track laid so a bit of running can be done.

Here a few pics taken from my tablet sorry there not as good as the slr.







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Daniel:
Nice work on the loco.
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I'll 2nd that !!

She looks great.

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Hi guys

Thanks for the kind comments.

Had a good day on Saturday with one of the sections or modules started work at 6am and here's how it went

1. Sanded all the cork base so it was level. 2. Cut each section of track to the correct lengths and filled smooth. 3. Soldered droppers to each section of track. 4. Converted the two Peco point so they worked by there being a permanent power to the switch blades and a permanent power to the crossing-vee via the micro switch operated by the point motor. 5. The track was laid out temporary and the dropper wires were then drilled through the cork and then pushed through the foam board.

Had lunch:)

6. Holes drilled for the steel rod that operates the point via servos on the under side of the baseboard. 7. The river bed was cut even more into shape and rocks made out of insulation foam was added along with fine dust and gravel mix, all was heavily coated with 50:50 PVA water mix. 8. All the ties on Peco track are connected together by plastic tabs, these were all cut off so the ties look like have been laid individually, (This makes a big difference to the appearance of Peco track especially when lightly laid ballast is used). 9. The track was cleaned with Jiff or Ciff to release any grease and mould release gels used by Peco. 10. The track work was then premiered and was given a base colour. 11. The 2x wooden bridges were glued in place. 12. All the cork was given a coat of pure PVA glue. 13. The track work was laid and pined. 14. Ballast was added to the correct depth and smoothed out, then it was spayed with water and via a dropper a 50:30:20 Mix of PVA:Water:Tamia Alcohol thinners was applied (The use of alcohol was an experiment and worked so much better than washing up liquid, much more quicker at dispersing and no bubbles are created when mixing and using the dropper).

Then I sat down and thought I feel a bit tiered, the little one was asleep the wife was asleep looked at the clock. F~~k me it was one in the morning :doh:

Never mind the best thing was I enjoyed every minute. Although I did feel like this the next morning :y::y::f::f:

Will post some pic's soon.

Cheers Dan

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HOLY COW !

A 19 hour shift !

Sounds like you blasted it.

Great progress Dan.

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Lil' lockies gonna luv it !

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Cheers Si

How's thing your way, you got a layout going yet?

The English weathers back so been busy on the layout.

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Thought I would show a few pictures of the progress.

Below two pic's are of the station which will be placed on the curved section to the right, which needs to be built (layout got bigger with the garage conversion).




The below pictures are the dropper wires, red and black is for the track and the brown wires are for the vee's on the points.



Below pic is the small wooden bridge across the creek to the coal mine. Excuse the cocktail sticks these are just holding the bridge in place.



Below is the two streams join and where the longer bridge will be for the main line, this was built but I took it out to do a few adjustments. The main line on the left hand side is now glued down. I know this looks a bit messy at the moment but once a few more rocks are in place and gaps field it should look ok. Then the hole area will be painted with an air brush and then weathered and highlighted as need be.



The next few pics are of the same area with my Bachmann H0 conversion and a chivers truck.







Hope you like them.

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Coming along very nicely Dan.
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Starts to shape up nicely Dan. Bit of green on the modules and they look completely different...

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Looking primo! I love that little 4-6-0 with 4 wheel tender, nice work!

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Rod:
Cheers

Martin:
Cant wait to start some static grass martin will be asking some question when I get to that stage.
Don't know if you already know but there's a book by wild swan for grasses and one for tree making looks really good.

Woodie:
Hay there, thought you would like the H0 Bachmann bash. Have the 0-6-0 switcher as well to do, want to base it on the same style as Dave C. All though I did put a wider and long boiler with no water tank on it and it looked pretty cool with a set of front and rear pony wheels.:)

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Well I know at the beginning after doing EM gauge, that I just wanted to keep the modelling simple to build and all off the shelve ready to run, kits and peco track and I know I converted a peco set track curved point that was pretty simple to do in the end.

I wanted another siding but could the points in to were I wanted it or with out turning another siding into a head shunt so I ended up making a cross over with one route straight and the other on a 3rd radius (peco) to go from the main line across the passing loop to the front of the layout on the right hand side.

The track was already laid out in the original formation so I but a sheet of A3 over the top and the split a pencil in half and stencilled the track work onto the paper. carefully I removed to section of track (3rd radius) and main line. Then but the point in and and straight section that would cross the 3rd radius piece.

I then had my track work plane which I could doon my work bench of the crossover. Then I stuck down the pcb sleepers, cut and filed the track pieces, then soldered them into place.

Here are some pictures that may make what Im saying a bit easier to understand.








Sorry don't know how to explain this all simply with out boring people

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Hi all

Here's a few more pictures with better day light. Was sunny today for the first time in a long while.

This is the modular section that I had already started the scenic work on.


This next shot shows the next modular piece and is the left had side of the layout. The alignment dowels have now been fitted and is ready to go and the final track plane has been laid out using setrack. The river will continue up the baseboard and towards the end will be a watermill which the siding will serve. After the L/H bend is the fiddle yard.



This Picture shows the right hand side of the layout and pictured are the two main module to show the cross over, this will lead to the fruit and veg store, then across a road to the station yard which is going to be on the next module yet to be made.

The next two pictures are close up's of the cross over.





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Daniel, seen the books by Gordon Gravett. The ones on trees I knew, the grass one is new for me. Just send a mail and ordered all three..but anything you can pick up is okay.

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I like your work on the crossing--and it looks to have a constant radius all the way through.

Nice job!

I like it!


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Yes sir, that is nice work. Now, why would you use flex track and commercial turnouts if you can build track like that? Remember that I am an old cat and usually get in trouble with my comments. I'm just sayin'..........

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" Cheers Si

How's thing your way, you got a layout going yet?

The English weathers back so been busy on the layout.

Dan."

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Hi Dan.

You've been busy again ... Looks GREAT !


The weather has turned YET AGAIN !

My garden looks like Brazilian rain-forest...

...It's a real time-killer ( I hate gardening ).


Been finishing a 1:32 'Miami South-Beach' art-deco hotel !

A muddle of 1:35 kits.

& playing with Timpo wild-west stuff.

A few drawings for layout ideas...

...but none seem that right, yet.

All very inspiring at FREERAILS as usual though.

All the best.

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Hi all

Very sorry, I have not been ignoring you all. I dropped my tablet and it has been in for repair and only just got it but last night but it now needs to go back in as cursa keeps scrolling to the bottom corner.:bang:

Just finnaly brought my self together to get out my paving slab and use that instead until the tablet is fixed.

Thank you all for your kind comments.

The reason for using commercial point work and flex track is that I build in 4mm scale EM gauge and all my track work, locos, wagons and every thing are kit or scratch built to the prototype.

I got board with it. I like free lance which is why I took on on30. Built what i want and like :2t:

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Hi

The layout is now in the garage and have done quite a bit to it.

Will try and upload some pics with the SLR if I get time. Got a busy weekend. Tomorrow need Knocking down a wall and take down a ceiling. Go pup to watch England play :rah:and try not to get too pi**ed as Im demoing at the Chatham show on Sunday for the EM gauge Society.

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Really Nice..The only thing I would say is that is awfully nice ballast work for a little narrow gauge road..Looks like class 1 ballast...You got a really wealthy railroad there..Keep them accountants ...2 + 2 must equal whatever you want it to be ROFL...I do love that river bed..damn fine work!! :)

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Hi Todd

Yeah I over done the ballasting I think too, lots of laughs. After doing layouts based on the uk it's hard to get my head around how I'm going to capture the American narrow gauge look that you guys create so well.

Thanks to these forums it helps massively.

I was not to sure on the river bed at first, but glad to hear you like it. The long bridge at the back is now finished and the area around the river bed has been tieded up. Even weathered the ballasting, painted the ground around that area, and got some shrubs down. So when I up load the pics the comments would be extremely valuable good or bad, would rather know about the bad ones.

Please mind the spellings this is one of the many things I can't do.

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The only way we all improve is when we get honest critiquing...With thatin mind, our visions vary so justbecause another may have done something different does not mean You have too..Still, it is good to get a sense of what others perceptions are so they can be weighed and measured against your own....As long as your having fun, thats whats really important !!!!!!! :moose:

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Hi all

sorry for not posting as I have been very busy doing a lot of things lately, one of which is on my layout.
Thought I would up load a few pic of were I am at the moment, sorry for no gradual pics of the build as the camera that I use is on the tablet that I broke which is now fixed, also the station has moved back to the original position at the back of the main passing loop.


Hope you like them

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Lookin' good Dan!

Especially like the track arrangment---

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Quit an update Dan ! Love the ground cover, looks great. Would cut the long fibers / grasses a bit irregular with small pointed siccors, they look a bit like you glued some brushes on the layout...

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Hi Herb

Glad you like the track arrangement.

Just don't know what to do with the end boards as my ideas kind of change as the layout progressed.

Plus what I thought I could fit in doesn't. So I might up load a picture of the layout from a birds eye view with a few of my own ideas. In let other post track planes of what they think to help if they don't mind.

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Hi Martin

:P yeah I know what you mean, I just done them with medium size scissors as the missis caught me half-way out the door with me daughters nail scissors. :P have to buy a pair.:bg:

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Top ticket Daniel !

Track-plan does look pretty neat...

...the crossover is always an interesting feature.

Be watching out for how you do the following tracks...

...I am sure it'll work out real cool for ops.

Mixed train daily !

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Hi Si

I think that's what I'm going to am for, It was meant to be a small terminal. But I think the siding the was meant to be at the back looked to much, So was thinking of loosing them for a small town road, keeping the mine on the baseboard that sticks out forward and having fiddle yards at each end for through mixed train dropping and picking up cars on the way through, plush the mining trains and may be even a logging train.

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Hi every one

Here I few pics of the stations in its original and final home on the layout.









This building I'm working on is going in place of were the station was.





laying out the track plan for the Coal Mine.





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Sorry up load one picture twice should have been this below

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Hi all

Not posted for a while so thought I better upload some pictures of were I am

To start with I got feed up using the temporary lighting and spot light so I brought 2x T8 5ft tubes permanently fitted with a skirting to hide them. sorry forgot to take a picture of this.

Below is a picture of the full layout under the new lighting.




I have now worked out exactly what I want to do with the right hand side of the layout, This is going to be a steep hill side with a tunnel from the main line that curves to the right into a fiddle yard or staging area as you guys call it.

Also here is where the coal mine will now be and will go up into the hill side a bit like Joeys (hope you don't mind Joey I'm not trying to copy yours but use it as inspiration). To many layouts in the UK that have multiple levels with train feeding trains, I want my layout to be simple and on the level. so the idea of conveyors feeding the shoot like Joeys would look good for my layout.

Below are some pictures of the new section of base board with the hill side and coal mine.



This is were the town was going to be but is now the coal mine, if you could imaging the porter driving down the siding/branch up to the end of the track to the coal shoot. with the mine and building going up the hill side.



This base board was originally the mine section that stuck out in the middle, I have now ditched this idea as you know and cut the base board in half and used it at either ends of the layout. This section was extended for the fiddle yard. The hill side it was made out of layers of insulating foam bard, that was then simply carved to shape.






Just some extra pictures of the area.

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Hi Dan.

Lookin' great.

The new 'daylight' looks like a winner.

Could go for a dim-blue-bulb 'moonlight' as well...

...I luv. night-scenes...

...any excuse for a mini-bulb (or dozen !).

Nice pix.

Looks like a lotta fun...

...& ops. already !

All the best.

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Hi All

Quick up date.

I've made a few changes to the scenery I have already done due to some advice and I think what I was doing looked ok but as I done more it started to look to much so I've thinned it out and added finer and less dense shrubs or greenery.


Simple rocks made using plaster and tin foil (once dry then removed).







Comments and tips much appreciated.


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Here's a few more

This is now going the be the saw mill area!


Why

Because I've been up to this recently.

Rayley Creek Coal Mine.

The new extension Piece.











Hope you like. It might not be right but its just to represent a coal tippler and just made it up.

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It's really coming together nicely. You have packed a while lot of railroad in there. Following along and learning a lot, thanks for the updates.

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Hay Heath

Thanks. Yeah limited on space and I like logging, Mining, Industry and coaching stock so I've gotta cram it all in. Ha

Bin working on a pre building to the tippler which I've made out of bits and pieces and I'm not sure if the feeder could work like this in real life, the reason for it is I don't want the hill side getting to high. The structure is in the garage and its a bit to early to go up there and take a picture. When I can I will take one and post it, remember I'm only trying to capture an image not prototype but if the feeder looks completely un-prototypical I will change it.

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Hi Dan,

I realy like te new scenery.

The tippler / bin. How do you feed it? It is much higher than the hill where the mine is so there has to be a bigger structure next to it to feed the tippler with ore or coal.
Beside of that it looks good enough to me.

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Dan,
The tippler looks fine.   You could put a a backdrop behind it (left side of extension, above the fascia) and add a flat building on that to simulate a higher feed building.   It just looks wrong sitting out there all alone.   A higher flat would give the indication of something feeding it.
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HOLY COW !

The South East London Railroad Barron EXPANDS !!!

Nice work Dan !

All the best.

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I like the rocks, Dan!

I did a rock face with foil and plaster a couple layouts back, and I think that it captures the looks of the granite that we see around here better than any other method that I have seen tried. I know that the fellows out West probably think that the color is all wrong, etc, etc. But that's just 'cause they don't live where real rock grows!

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The layout def. ROCKS ! dude !

Cheers.

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Know what yer mean 'erb...

...proper like, 20 billion year old ones.

(spare foil comes in handy if sun-spots are up)

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Hi guys

Thank you very much for your kind comments and thank you for the advice I prefer people to tell me it looks wrong and what to do to make it look right than just go yeah looks good.

Herb I'm glad you get grey granite rocks in the U.S. as I just couldn't get the yellow sand stone rock colour right so it all went grey.

I also thought the hill side looked to low and od standing there so I raise to hill side as much as possible with out it looking like cliff face at the sea side.

Here's some pics

This is what I done last week



At the weekend I concentrated on this area below.

The building was stained and coloured using Joeys technics and I used this to create the road. I don't have a static grass machine just done what Joey does in his show you how video and I think it produces as good as affect for making tuffs of grass and a lot cheaper than buying them. Although I would like to get one for making tress etc.. like Martine does...









I'm hoping once I get a few pine trees in and clutter it will look like along the lines of the American back woods.

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very nice and scenic being in the backwoods often you've gotton a good feel for it sofar

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not sure what type of plaster you guys use but being a tile setter you can get tile grout sanded and unsanded at menards lowes etc.it comes in lots of colors and shades and can be blended dry to create your own shades.make molds you could make rock, block, piers,tie walls.cobbles bricks.and they are cement so you could chip off pieces sand etc and it is the same color thru and thru.12 dollars for 10 pounds

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it would save the trouble of painting a solid base coat.and being cement it will except stains and probably most paint

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Hi Jim

Thanks for the reply and I'm glad its looking right as I wasn't sure. Most pictures I see are Yellow rocks, autam grass (Spelling)and pines which every one over here seems to model with multiple levels but I didn't want this.

I like the grey look of the rocks, summer grass and plants, thick shrubs on the flat with pines on the hill sides.

Thanks for the info.

I just use filler with some PVA mixed in to give it some flexibility and grab adhesion plus a few drops of ink you use for fancy ink pen writing and air brushing to give the desired base colour I need. Then a few weathered washes are applied, then I use chalks or dry brush in some high lights.

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Hi Dan,

I like the look that you created so far. The road is looking nice too. What material do you use for the flowers?

Thanks, Alwin

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Hi Alwin

Thank you

The flowers are just coloured foam, the same as the green foam scatter material.

If I get time in the week I will take a few build snaps of making the flowers.

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i would also like to see how the flowers are made thanks

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Hi all

Just a quick up date of the project and sorry I forgot about the flowers.



























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Lookin' fantastic Dan !

Operations potential seems great.

Super rapido progress.

All the best.

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Hi Si

Thank you, I'm hoping for some good potential operations to with a simple track plane, but have to see its only got the droppers not even wired in yet! lol

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Hi Dan

I'm guessing that the 1st pic...

...was the engineer's view following a DERAILMENT !

( can't be true, with your 5-Moose trackwork ? )

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Obviously a 'real' engineer would leap from the cab...

...& land in the grass (or cactus ! if in Mogollon).

But if you're plastic & yer feet are GLUED to the footplate...

...what can you do ??

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You have captured some "real character" there Dan, my compliments !.
Also nice buildings & excellent scenery.


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Dan-

As I said before, I like the track arrangement, and you have done--as Michael said--an exemplary job with the finishing and the details.

There is one thing that I would like to suggest, however.

In picture 4, there are some alien growths right at the crotch of the benchwork. Get rid of them before they go to seed and cover the whole area.


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No doubt you would suggest Herb-icide ??.


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Funny...

...I was gonna ask what THEY were made of !

(or should I say THEM !)

Alien armatures ?

For green-leaves...

...NOT little green-men.

??

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Hi Si and thank you

There is an issue with the track work where I need to put an extra brace between the braces already there to stop the foam board from sagging.

I presume this is because I used insulation foam with the foil covers on either side rather that the blue styrene foam which now after seeing the stuff is a lot more stiffer and more ridged than what I have used.
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Hi there Micheal

Thank you for your nice comments. I make sure every Thursday I'm doing some modelling and I sometimes try and sneak in and do a bit on other days to which I have stopped due to a recent ba#####ing from the wife.

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Hi Herb

Thank you

There just branches from some tree kits that I use to form the base of bushes etc..

But have to say now looking back at the picture it does look alien like..

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Just carry on Dan, you are doing really well.

Anyway, what do wives know about railway modelling - it keeps you out the pub & away from other wimin'.

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That's what I say.

Still doesn't work, what ever way round I do it- IM STILL WRONG! Ha Ha lots of laughs

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Hi all

Sorry for no up dates, been on holiday.

I've had bit of a shuffle around. 1st I got rid of the coal mine area the bit that stuck out, all though I was please with it looks and that track arrangement, it got in my way and on my nerves having to walk around it, plus it made the room look small. so I got rid of it and moved the tippler to the spare staging road at the front. The hill side was cut of and places at the back behind the passing loop and the base board module was not wasted as I simply fitted it to the end of the layout. So glad I made a jig for the end boards.

The only Question is, what to put there L:L:

Also I have scratched built a small factory or general merchant building for one of the sidings at the back.

Heres a few pics:





















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Hi Guys

Should have posted this earlier

Swanley Narrow Gauge this Saturday 25/10/2014.

This is the biggest narrow gauge exhibition in the UK well worth a visit. I know I'm going!

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Turning out to be a smashing little layout--I like the stones closing the lane1

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All that on Thursdays only - Amazing !.

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Hi Herb

Ha those stones must have rolled there when I moved the layout around. But as you like it I might keep them there.

Martin; thank you

Michael; Thank you. I just build things simply and quickly, then discus it by weathering. I found that this to be a better way, creating an image that blends together rather than spending hours on a single item getting it spot on and detailing.

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Hi all

Nearly finished the mode to the layout to keep it simple a practical.

The fiddle yard on the right has gone, this is now the end of the line that acts as a head shunt. The fiddle yard has now been modified and fitted to the left hand side, for me its big enough but at shows I will extend it.

Also I spent a couple of hours tonight painting and weathering the warehouse using joeys Technics (this really speeds up build time).

Here's a few pics











also my desk fits in nicely to know as above.




The legs have been put away and have used adjustable brackets to put the layout on, this really frees up space. as below.













below a wide screen shot


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Hay Guys

Went to The Swanley narrow gauge show yesterday, had a great day out. No American layouts there apart from a nice little S scale Roundy Roundy mining scene. Normal guys were there selling American kits and the Narrow gauge circle was there to.

Did I spend any money Yep!



Could not help mu self LOL

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I think that that building will fit right in, Dan.

Good choice.

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some gn15 people show up ?

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Herb Kephart wrote:
I think that that building will fit right in, Dan.

Good choice.

Herb


Hi Herb

Yeah I'm please with the buy, these really are great kits very precise. This is what I have built in the past hour, no cutting or filling, just a square and a bottle of Cyno-medium density glue i.e. super glue.

It was brought to go in the empty area at the back of the run around loop were the station once was, but it looks much better near were the station is now.

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Hi Charles

There was a few kit manufactures selling GN15 kits and some of the other similar scales or minimum gauge track.

Backwoods miniature was there selling range of 1/48th scale simplex type locos and rolling stock that uses 009 track.

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Sorry forgot to add a picture of the new café building

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Very nice,scenery is looking very good.Charles:moose:

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Thank you, I'm pleased you like it.

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Hay every one.

Sorry for the lack of updates and not getting round to looking at your layouts and leaving comments but I have been busy in general and extremely busy on the layout. As you already know I cut the base boards about to make the layout more convenient for my whilst working in the garage.

With that now pretty much done and much preferring the layout design now I brought my attention back to the scenery. I liked what I had done but I wanted better, and I just couldn't fit in any thing else around what I had already done that looked right.

So things got swopped about a bit I.e. structures (constantly), one siding got moved to another location and was extended, a lot of the greenery was taken up in favour of a more greener fresher looking static grass to which I'm sure Martine will be very pleased to here (this was done with a converted fly zap machine and strainer) and just tried to improved the appearance. There are a lot other changes and improvements made but I think I will just let you look at the picture taken rather than here me waffling on, its a lot easier.





















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I think the socket is a little out of scale, lol, serious very nice scenery love the broken fallen tree, nice effect
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Sockit to them Daniel - you've done a lovely job so far.   & Hello Dennis !

Regards,     Michael

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Hi there

Here bit of an update, I have been slowly working on the static grass heading toward the right hand side of the layout. The hill side at the back is slowly coming along and the long siding I think is going the be a saw mill, work on the saw mill has started using cappa board or foam board and the base and then covering it in strip wood.
Just need to get the point laid and then these two modules have got the basic scenery done. PS I brought a second hand Peco point that was like new and in its box for £7 and when I got home to look at it to my surprise there was two.

Any way starting from the left of my Railroad. The spare siding at the front has been turned into an oil depot. The fence was taken from the what ever yard at the back and the pump shed was built from bass strip wood with mitre joints and stain with ink washes diluted with Tamiya thinners.




This shot shows some improvements to the scenery were a ware house or mill will go. The road has been tones to a light brown beige colour to match the surrounding ground colour.


This shot shows the start of the hill side



The two bridges with the Creek bed painted.


Arial pictures



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PS merry Christmas

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Very nice, understated work. I love the panel fence and the honesty of sidings just ending at the baseboard edge.

I'm grabbing a quick look between present wrapping!

Merry Christmas.

Martin

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Looking good.:apl: Charles

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Don't talk about wrapping presents I'm all wrapped out.. Hope you had a good Christmas.
Tank you Charles.
Here are some new additions that I had to sneak in when the wife was out, they are both Bachmann flat cars but one has been fitted out with a new body. Also you can see the new ware house or sawmill but I might but this else in another position that looks a lot better.

Here are some pics anyway might have a day out in the train room today.











Please note I have put the Bachman 18ft cars in the middle of some Chivers kits for comparison in size and I think they look ok.

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Hay guys I'm sorry if I am driving you mad but things got swapped about again. As I am building the layout what I think would be good looks better else where when placed on the railroad.

So here are a couple of pictures of where I got to, the best part of the day was spent looking, staring and thinking.




The structure has now been placed here and will be used and a loading shed from the sawmill which you wont see.



Inside the loading shed, easy access for loading the wagons.



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Dan,

That is very impressive. How long did this take to get this far?

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Hi Tim and thank you.

About a year and three months. I model in EM gauge building my own locos, coaches and wagons from kits and all the track work is scratch built, but due to the time it takes me to do this I have nothing really to show for the past ten years of work. Due to marriage life now and kid + Bump I decided to have a go at on30 using ready to run stock, Chiver kits etc. and ready to lay Peco track.

This has built up speed time plus I have found that working with wood, super glue for structures instead of PVA, ink washes and chalks, Plus I don't cover the land scape in plaster only were need be and now with the new static grass build time is very quick. Would be even quicker if I did not keep on changing my mind.

On30 has really bit me and now have no real interest in my EM gauge.

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Shoulders wrote:
...the best part of the day was spent looking, staring and thinking.


That's just good modeling, and results in a layout that is well thought-out.

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Hi Ray

Yeah that's true and some times the best thing to do before taking the plunge and cutting thing apart. But sometimes like that night you drive your self mad going round in circles trying to work out what would work and look right.

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After much thinking I have come up with the following as I do like my track plane but there was bits I did and did not like, plus if I added one thing and could not ad the other. IE industry, station and a small town.

The way I have it at the moment I can get it all in and kept it looking right, plus I think it will make the track plan interesting in operations- especially the diamond crossing.

The diagram below shows the layout track plane of what I want to achieve. At shows the Maine line will act as a through road and go to a staging yard at either side of the layout and in the railroad room will act as an end terminus.

This will enable the head shunt to be kept clear and leads to all sidings.



The last module wich occupies the town and station or depot has now been started.



My Banta models depot has been converted with a longer platform with raised ramp for the luggage car.







Held temporarily in place.







I have taken the structure away from this area and going to replace it with greenery.



More updates to come.

Cheers Dan and happy new year.

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Hi there

Finally got a bus line connected to all routes except the new module and after a good scrub and clean up of the track work trains were running, the frogs on the points at the moment were hard wired to the correct route direction as they are not powered up yet with a polarity switch over. All went fairly well but I find that the DCC locos are a bugger for stalling when compared to the DC locos my 2-6-0 was ok but the porter was ridiculous,so a bit more cleaning up needs to be done plus I have a couple of Tsunami stay alive to be added.

IS THIS COMMON WITH ALL DCC LOCOS EXSPECIALY SOUND AS MY DC PORTER AND 00 GAUGE LOCOS HAVE NO PROBLEMS?

When testing the diamond crossing modular section the train over run onto the new town section and shorted out :sad: I forgot to slit the copper clad ties and strip wood has been super glued down on top on them as can be seen in the previous pictures. :doh:

Any way great to have locos running and the track tested before any more scenery is added.

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From my experience with my new 0-4-0T and running Sam's 0-4-2T I have found locos with sound tend to be much more sensitive to bad/dirty track than DC or normal DCC. I found that switches tend to have the most problems with sound.

Hope this helps,

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Hi Duncan

Yeah I'm guessing this is the case, I think its the restart sequence and that tiny little capacitor in the dome, dont see the point in that tiny thing.

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Shoulders wrote: Hi Duncan

Yeah I'm guessing this is the case, I think its the restart sequence and that tiny little capacitor in the dome, dont see the point in that tiny thing.

Cheers Dan

I did not even know there was one, have you tried it with out yet to see if there is a difference?

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Yeah, I'm not an expert on DCC sound but I think they all have a start up sequence even none sound locos. Instead of the capacitor being on the board and making in fit inside the bunker they have stuffed it up the boiler dome, clever buggers.
I might have a go at wiring up my Tsunami stay alive to the sound board, going by the instructions you just simply disconnect the old single capacitor and put in the new larger capacitor bank.

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well I'll be interested to see what happens.

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Hello Dan,

Looks like you have the right hand side of the layout organized in a better way now ?.

The "sound" effect chip has a fairly high power requirement simply to operate the sound logic and effects. I have not fitted one of the larger capacitors but the destructions look fairly clear, almost idiot proof which can be worrying to the RR modeling fraternity.

I have no doubt that you know that DCC points are wired slightly differently.

Great little layout !

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Hi Duncan

Nothing done in regards to fitting the larger capacitor.

Hi Michael

Cheers, its looking better and have made some more progress to the section on Sunday so hopefully tomorrow I will have a bit more done.

I have wired my point so the switch blades are permanently live so they are not relying on just touching the stock rail for continuity. The vee crossing is going to be wire to 3-way switch to change the polarity.

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A few pic of what I done on Sunday.







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Cool ! Should go less dense on the fibers looking at the tree

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Probably a stupid question, but I shall ask any way, how did you wire the switches (pictures please)

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Hi Martin and Duncan

The tree is just temporary to help me see how things are looking as I create the scenery. The only glue I had at the time on Sunday was carpet spray glue, way to heavy for this.

I have a point wired up will take a picture later for you.

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Sorry Duncan forgot to take a picture of the converted point so I made a quick diagram for ya, any questions please ask.
Promise I will up load a picture of the point over the weekend.

If you go on you tube there is plenty of videos on how to convert one for DCC which may be easier to follow.

Kind regards Dan

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thanks for the help and the drawing is fine.

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Hi Duncan

Here are some pictures of the point conversion, sorry I forgot to add a link wire that links each switch blade with there stock rail to keep them alive.










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Hay there

Made a tree that was a complete rush job and my first attempt at using static grass, the tree was built just to help me image the layout. I'm going to build a few more using Martins technics and I defiantly need a few practice runs.







Made some more progress to the town area.













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Beautiful scenery

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Looking great, better than mine right now. thanks for the switch help I'll see if I con do something similar to mine. one last question (for now at least) where did you get the switch or did you make it, and if so where did you get the frog?

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Hay guys

Thank you for the kind comments.

My track work is just Peco O-16.5 narrow gauge, except the diamond crossing that had to be scratch built.

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Hi there

Brought some hair spray at the weekend and my new hair style looks great [whack],LOL.

Nope it was not for my hair but to make weeds and bushes. Also made another tree and got ahead of my self before re-reading Martins thread and made a mess of it again. but any way here are some pictures.















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Looking great Dan! :glad:

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Agreed!

Only gets better!

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Thank you guys

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Daniel, I haven't commented up to now on your thread but as a fellow On30er (and a Brit) it's pretty impressive stuff. Your creation of atmosphere is excellent and I do like the way you have managed the scenics, very much in the Joey Ricard style it seems to me and most successfully. I post my efforts (Updah Creek) on NGRM-Online in the UK and I'm regularly looking at your thread for tips and ideas. Keep it going.


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Watching from here too Daniel. Nice work!

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It's the first time I read this topic and I only can say:
:glad::bow::glad::bow:

Maybe you could take a look at this 0n30 layout. It's a french forum, but the photos talk better than words I guess.

http://forum.e-train.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=72491&sid=8d891015e6d93358f5078910d2c894bd

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Pierre C wrote: It's the first time I read this topic and I only can say:
:glad::bow::glad::bow:

Maybe you could take a look at this 0n30 layout. It's a french forum, but the photos talk better than words I guess.

http://forum.e-train.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=72491&sid=8d891015e6d93358f5078910d2c894bd


I got the pg translated into English (with a few grammatical errors) for those who are interested in the words.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.e-train.fr%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D72491%26sid%3D8d891015e6d93358f5078910d2c894bd

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Pierre--

A great site, with a lot to look at!


Duncan- Even better when the text is translated.


Thanks to both of you!  Rest of you, take a peek---


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Just took a quick glance at the blog and it's the first time I notice somebody modelled the rail cuts (with rail joiners) and a wire for the lightning rod on top of the water tank. And just the first four pages.... Jose.

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Hi Doug

Thank you for you comments and your not to fare from me either(I'm from Sidcup). Did you go to the Erith show?

Your probably best watching on here as I'm always on it, I don't got on BRMweb much and find it hard to do the two.

I build EM gauge but went on30 due to married life and kids and the only way I could capture the us image was to use the technics that the other guys use on here. Completely different to how I model uk, both work really well but in different ways. Might be due to the difference in scale and building materials used.

Hi Ken thank you.

Hay Peirce Glad you could join us here on free rails, cant wait to see you work.

Thank you for the link very impressed, only thing was I went through the hole thing in French and write down a few comments for you to translate for me. Then found Duncan had translated the link some how (thank you Duncan).

Think this link deserves a thread of its own and try and keep this one free as there will differently be a few comments about it.

If you have not looked at it you should and click on the link Duncan has converted.

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Hi there

Just an up date, have done a bit more scenic work and have finished two trees. 1x with static grass the other is a fine wool that's been sprayed with hair spay and then ground foam sprinkled over the top.

Some pics









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Wonderful as usual !

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Hi Pierre

Thank you.

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I am a NG Rubber Gauger S SG/HO SG/HOn3/ON3/ON30/O SG/20.3/7/8n2/ and now back to ON30,+ a 20 ton 1923 Vulcan 0-4-0 Saddle Tanker & 3 SG MOW Fairmont Rail Cars1 I am a disabld Veteran (30 years Navy & USMC Medical Corpsman) now down sizing due to physical limitations, I need a smaller footprint in the house (no basement) garage to inhospitable. Space available 2' X 12' with (2) wings 2' X 2' & 2' X 3' into a shallow "C" shape. A friend who is a Free Rails subscriber "Uncle Bob" sent me the submissions you have made over a few months of your on going saga of you ON30 endeavors-WOW!! About what size in feet is your emppire overall? Great modeling I want to copy itto some degree! If you don't mind I will probabl ybe asking you more than a few questios!

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Hay Tom

Thank you and most of all glad you could join us. Sorry I did see your message but have had no time to go out and measure it this past week, cant remember the size. I do know that the two main boards which hold the sidings and run round loop are 1 meter by 0.6 meters so roughly 3'3" by 2' I think.

Nick what you want, the reason for me joining and uploading my railroad was for inspiration and ideas. To be honest most of my builds are ideas taken from here there and every where.

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Hay guys

Sorry for not doing any up dates but have been rebuilding quite a bit of the layout, where the two main boards joint is the track raises to a point. The trains still ran across ok but I just couldn't have leave it there, there was a slit jerk, wagons could roll away and once you see it you keep looking at it.

So the modules where taken apart and work began taking up this small section, but whilst doing this and looking at the railroad from the reversed side it opened up a different perspective. The long siding was removed a point was fitted in the loop and this gave space for the appearance of the town, yard and station area.

MUCH BETTER!!

Here are a few pics

The repaired section of track now dead flat and smooth.





The Depot







The start of the town



The old shed



Sorry this is all I got a lot more has been done so I will take some more pictures and up load them at a later date.

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Hay had time to get some pictures whilst cooking me Roast.

With the layout now the right way around, the rest of the work could commence.

Here you can see the track height issues:
1. The back road track is the main line which is now dead flat.
2. The run road loop, here you can see how the track lifts. The main line was worst than this hence the major modifications.
3. The small siding also lifts up a bit so these two tracks will be dealt with soon. Also I want to make the small siding straight rather than kicking off at the end, it does look good but causes coupling up issues.





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SERIOUSLY. Is that allowed.

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Try this one out, type: Old Steam locomotive on uneven track. looks like its in China or them sort of ways.

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Hi all

Here are some pic of where I am now, there's now a logging dump pound to the right. The fiddle yard to the left has been removed but can be added for shows when doing through running, it was to short for me to run trains and with the layout the way it is now its suites it more to have it on the right and give me a max length of 1.4 meters. The log loading area will be on the L section yet to be made.

Also my wife brought me 4x 18ft flat cars for the cut wood train and 2x 18ft coal cars.

















Hope you like the new look.

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Since you joined FreeRails, I've liked everything you have shared with us---even the hump in the siding--shame you couldn't leave it-------but------

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Hi Dan.

Great new pix of the layout.

Nice work !

Cheers.

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P.S. if the the Misses gets you railroad stuff...

...she's worth hanging on to !

( don't spend TOO much time in the garage though )

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Cheers Herb, Si and Charles.


Si:

Ha Ha. Yeah maybe or she buys it on purpose.

LOL:P

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Mmmm...

...Yeah, that could be possible !

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Hay guys

Just a few shots of some chivers kit that my parent got me for B-day







The early afternoon train heading east towards Rayley Creek station.





Just need to get them painted. Drag...

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On Friday evening my wife went up for an early night.

Yes-straight to the modelling room I went and got the rock work painted.

:glad:

Last night I had a couple of hours on the railroad and started dreaded task of flattening the track work.

First: The front siding track work plus cork base was lifted to make this section straight.
Second: A hack saw blade was run along under the cork base to shave away the foam as required for lowering the rail bed.
Third: The ballasting was soaked with water to soften the glue.
fourth: Glue was pumped in under the cork base.
six: A measuring jug was place on top of the rail then filled until the track lowered to the correct level required as seen in photo. This was now left to cure.





I manage to squeeze in my small coal mine, using joey's rail road as inspiration, after watching his useful videos and threads (Trackside Scenery on you tube, this is what got me really going on on30).

I've come up with this. Its a very steep mud hill with large boulders or rocks, with I've tried doing carefully with out it looking like the hill was just stuck there. I hope it looks ok when finished. The grey building will stay were it is now but be place on top of a stone brick base with the bottom of the hill slowly levelling out around it.



I said all along I don't wont a turntable but I think it is the only way I can finish it off or make the end of the line look like its the end of the line.

Also I think it give an even appearance across the layout. Plus is give reason the cross the Creek.





A new attempt at making pine trees



Overall view.





Cheers Dan

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Hi Dan.

Good move with the turntable.

An essential, often avoided IMO.

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Looking great. Love the cars, they really fit in nicely. That a B-mann 0-6-0 under construction too? Might I suggest looking into the Grandt Line Porter backhead. I used one on my 0-6-2 conversion and am very happy with the result.

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Hi Heath

Thank you, yes it is and yeah I do have one, very nice kits parts.

Go to the link below and see the rest of the 0-6-0 build

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=6667&forum_id=6


Here's a pic of it




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Very nice work! I just love this view...

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Hay guys

Made some real progress over the Easter weekend, house choirs during the day and in the evening I've been modelling. The work done was on the right hand side, the saw mill loading bay, pond and greenery.

Here's a few pics













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Hi every one.

Not much has happened, my loving wife gave birth to our new railroad enthusiast, he was born on Thursday 09/04/2015 at 6:45am and now a prowd farther of 2.

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Hi every one.

Not much has happened, my loving wife gave birth to our new railroad enthusiast, he was born on Thursday 09/04/2015 at 6:45am and now a prowd farther of 2.

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Congrats ! :glad::glad::glad::glad:

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Hellow George

Thank you very much.

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During this period, very so often I got 5 mins I carried out a bit of work on the pine tree following martins guidelines: http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=4577&forum_id=9



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Congratulations on the new helper Dan! Now the hobby will be even MORE fun.

Thanks for the link to the tree making. I need some of those for my Black Forest workings. I chose the name since there is a Black Forest mine in the area and my logging company works from the same mountain.

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Thanks Guys

Ken: Joey has just made a video on trackside scenery about making trees.

Charles: wow 8 grandkids and 2 on the way. Bet they love coming around to granddads house to play trains, or is it granddads only. LOL :P:P

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Hi every one

every no and then I done a bit extra to the tress and hill side, here are the results so fare.

















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Hi Daniel,

I like that scene. Great looking trees and bushes. :2t:

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Thanks Guys

All out of material for the pine trees, all out of materials until the EM Gauge Expo show on the 16th & 17th May were I will be running our club layout Clatterford.

http://www.ehmrc.org.uk/clatterford.html

http://www.emgs.org/index.php?option=com_jticketing&view=event&id=1&Itemid=527

A lot of work has been done to the layout prior to the show as the layout was looking old and drab. If I can get permission from the club to up load the work we have done I will.

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Congratulations Daniel & Mrs D.
The sleepless nights to come could be a great modelling opportunity !

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Thank you Michael

Yeah its been quite nice to sit with the misses whilst she watches her soaps, the baby in the bouncer and just make the tree frame work.

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Hay guys

Not much has been happening with the rail road. Thought I would up load a couple of bits to keep it going.

I made a couple of trees in the same way to joeys methods Quick trees but with different materials for the finer branches but this did not re create as good as affect.

The track work that was laid temporarily the pond section has been re laid with new track and has been ballasted and painted.

The loading shed has been stained but not fitted down yet.

Yesterday I made some pretty large pine trees and had a bit of a move about with the existing ones to make things look better.















Here are the two taller pine trees I started making, sorry that there not very clear couldn't get the white balance right with out the colours looking drab (need better lighting for pictures as the rest of the room is pretty dim).



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Hi Dan.

It's all looking FANTASTIC !

Your funky Porter & flats are great 'in the woods'.

I realy like your 'found timber' ? pieces...
...I'm looking out for suitable model-wood, in the garden at the moment.

Had a crazy idea of baking garden-wood in the oven at a low-temp...
...haven't tried it before...
...but thought it might accelerate the drying & twist/crack it maybe.
(I'll let you know if I burn the place down !)

The composition of the whole scene is 'Michael Angelo' stuff...
...it realy 'suspends disbelief' to me, & takes you 'right there' !

Nice work Dan.

All the best.

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This is all looking really top notch Dan and I'm watching the development of your trees with interest.


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Hi Si

Cheers Mate

It might work, let us know how it goes with out the "oh I burnt the house down part" LOL.

The wood was Ivy. twisted and snapped in a vice with steelsons.

Might be safer to go out side and use a paint stripper hot gun.

or just find some :P:P:P

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Hay Doug, George, Ken and Charls.

thank you for your kind comments.

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Had a few hours in the model room yesterday and got a lot done.

The un even track work was levelled out.

The curve to the add on section was removed as this add on section was a pain in the neck constantly fitting and removing it, plus I've lost count of how many times I have smashed it to it. Plus this allowed me to increase the length of the front siding and turn it into a team track.

The timber mill was added to the end of the rear siding as this siding (a) two short and looked silly (b) made the layout look more interesting on the left hand side improving the overall appearance (c) it was a to bigger of structure, now you can see more of the pound and woodland.

Hear are some pictures, starting to look something now I think.













This picture has been edited on paint to give an image of what I would like to create.



overall view



Sorry for the continuous moving around and changing my ideas, this layout is a real learning curve for me and I hope this all helps you all when planning yours, so you don't do the same.

Kind regards Dan

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Starting to shape up Dan, like it !!

Maybe add a bit of wire to the top of your pines, gives the more pointed look..

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Starting to shape up Dan, like it !!

Maybe add a bit of wire to the top of your pines, gives the more pointed look..


Hi Martine

Thank you, make you right about the tops of the pine trees thought I would get away with it. The taller ones I'm not bothered about as you want see them once I built the proper lighting rig and facia.

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Layout design lessons duly noted ! - Thanks Dan.

It looks like quite a change going on along the left hand end & some at the right as well. Hopefully you've got the bit in the middle to your satisfaction !.
Excellent stuff Dan, well worth 5 mice or whatever.

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Hi Charles and Michael

Thank you. Michael: Yeah I'm happy with the middle now especially after getting the track levelled out. LOL :P

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Quick up date: just trying to get parts finished off.

















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like the progress and hope it meets your expectations i like it

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Going to be some sort of industry where the yellow cab truck is sitting?

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Hi guys

Thank you

Charles: Ha yeah hope so, it will have to be don't have the cash these days to change me mine again.

Herb: just a team track, any thing goes.

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" Going to be some sort of industry where the yellow cab truck is sitting? "

Go on Dan...
...give it bit of London atmosphere.

A parking-meter & traffic-warden !!

Tee Hee Hee ...

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Go on Dan...
...give it bit of London atmosphere.

A parking-meter & traffic-warden !!

Tee Hee Hee ...

:moose:

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Hi all

Just bit of an up date: I've compressed the layout for now using just the two main boards and using it as a through road as I don't have the time nor do I have the money to keep up. The two small sections (Turntable and pond section) have been safely stored away for now until the main scene is completed or to a satisfactory level of completion (as you know your selves a model railway my look finished but it is never completed). The trees and water tower were removed to help speed up the build work of the main modular section. A staging yard was made for changing trains on the right hand side and a 3 or 4 road sector plate/turntable type staging yard was made for the left hand side (trains enter here, wait for there turn get turned around to go back down the line.

Also I had a week off last week from work to carry out these changes and started to box the layout in, these will act as the back scene and hold all the lighting. plus they will protect the modular from damaged when moving about. There were built from thin ply and softwood strips sandwich together to keep the weight low but be extremely strong and warp free. I can still move the modular around safely by my self and each piece is removable.

Staging yard/fiddle yard



I decided to but my coal mine/yard here. I know the coal pile might not be prototypical, but I love to see it pilled up like this plus I would like to build the Tamiya Bulldozer kit and have it looking like its loading up a truck/lorry for local delivery's.





With the track work now levelled out the road crossing could be re done. I decided to make it wider as to serve the team track. Think for me this move worked out well, I was a bit worried if it looked weird or to much.







Whilst the road bed was laid I also laid down the road bed for the team track area, most of the previous scenic work was remove and was re done. Static grass was added last night.







And here is an overall view of the railroad. With all the crappy work done, a lot of tidying up done and only having to concentrate on these to modular boards I'm starting to see light at the end of the tunnel again.



I quite like to tidy railroad look rather than the ruff over grown look.

I hope modelling is now going to be plan sailing again.


Cheers Dan

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looks like a winner to me nicely done 4 moosies

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Thank you

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Hi Dan.

Great stuff as usual.

Nice pix.

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Great stuff as usual.

Nice pix.

Cheers.

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Hi all

Had a day off in the week a done a fare bit to the scenery. some more static grass was laid down and after having a few goes a it now and after completing the grass on the club layout I will go across the rest of the layout and keep it to the same standard. The trees were re positioned and spaced out, I prefer this look and has given the layout a lot of depth which is now causing me a nightmare to photograph (have to try image stacking). The stream/river has been reduced to just a ditch with a soak away stream running down it.

Here's some pictures, sorry there a bit blurry in places.



















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I would like to thank Joey Ricard for he's great show you how Videos. For years I have been trying to produce good depth of field photographs, I even spent a small fortune 8 years back on a Canon SLR, EOS 400D. Yes the images were of high quality but couldn't get the depth of field. I read lots of magazines and you tube vids only to get lost in it all and found it all to much hard work and complicated. So I thought what the hell, I watched Joeys Demo again, spent 3 mins downloading, went out into the model room, set the camera up on the TRIPOD, used the basic lighting in the garage, set a point I wanted to take a picture of, then using the manual focus I took multiple shoots as described by joey using the timer and no flash. This took about 5-10 mins, not long just a quickie to see how it would go. Up loaded the frames onto my computer selected the files, opened the software, done what joey showed and let the software do the work, saved the stacked image as new, then opened the it in paint cropped it to size to get rid of the blurry edges and just saved again.

After uploading the software this took about 15 minutes to do this one image, pretty impressive, will I'm impressed anyway.

Cheers Joey for your time creating the show you how Vids

Here's the shots in order staring at the front then towards the back and the final image;















The final shoot



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Hi Charles

Thank you, the last shot is all the images I took of the same view but change the camera lens to focus at different points, then stacked them all together using Joeys method to produce the last image.

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Hi there

A few more pic using the photo stacking software, I have not tried changing the contrast or white balance to improve the images.









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That photo-stacking software is realy screwing up your pictures dude !

One part of the truck-load is in focus; the other, right behind it, out of focus.

It also doesn't seem to like light-green trees...
...rendering them blurry; but the thing next to it, sharp.

You're gonna have to work on that Einstein...
...at the moment, it's a disaster !

Trying to unify general-relativity & quantum-mechanics, has not been straightforward !

I think you need Stephen Hawking on the job !!!...
...'From the big-bang to black-holes', and all that jazz.

Zero :moose:s

Sorry.

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Hi Si

Thank you for you comments

Yeah I know, these were just quick ones to try out the software, the camera has not been used in years and needs cleaning, I used low mega pixels and didn't change the shutter speed. I want to have another go at it properly, with good lighting and time to do it properly.

The reason for up loading these shots was just to show what I have done as I could get hardly anything in focus with the way I have position stuff on the layout.

Thank you for pointing this out and criticising. I would rather this than some one going yeah that looks good.

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Hi Dan.

Here's the parts list for a top-notch lighting-rig.

Mr. Magoo of the 'Golders-Green Photographic Society' turned me on to this.
Sadly he's no longer with us...
...having electrocuted himself, after suffering sun-blindness in a coal-cellar.
The memory of his ***** economy lighting-rig lives on though !

SHOPPING LIST
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CPC# - SR05922 - £7.95p 500 Watt Halogen Floodlight.

CPC# - LP0584905 - £0.25p 500 Watt Halogen Lamp 117mm.

CPC# - PY3199441 - £11.95p Universal Light Stand.

CPC# - PL0916707 - £2.11p 5 Metre 3amp Extension Cable (bare-end).

CPC# - SW03658 - £1.03p Inline Switch 10amp.

- - - - - - -

With 1 light, you're 'in the game'

With 2 lights, you just cleaned out the Casino baby !!

EIGHTEEN THOUSAND LUMENS !!

2 lights pretty much allows you to do almost any lighting setup in the book; a 'classic' rig.

OPTIONAL ACCESSORY PACK
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TESCO - Extra Wide Aluminium Foil (to cover the boxes the lights came in; exellent 'El.Cheapo' reflectors).

TESCO - 1 Kg Bag Of Rice.

HALFORDS - Welding Mask !!

:moose:

Cheers.

Si.

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If you just ignore him Dan he'll soon disappear back up Magic Moose Mountain.

But........ he does have a point.

Hello Si !!  How's the bricklaying ?

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I like the new pictures Dan.

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Si. wrote:
Hi Dan.

Here's the parts list for a top-notch lighting-rig.

Mr. Magoo of the 'Golders-Green Photographic Society' turned me on to this.
Sadly he's no longer with us...
...having electrocuted himself, after suffering sun-blindness in a coal-cellar.
The memory of his ***** economy lighting-rig lives on though !

SHOPPING LIST
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CPC# - SR05922 - £7.95p 500 Watt Halogen Floodlight.

CPC# - LP0584905 - £0.25p 500 Watt Halogen Lamp 117mm.

CPC# - PY3199441 - £11.95p Universal Light Stand.

CPC# - PL0916707 - £2.11p 5 Metre 3amp Extension Cable (bare-end).

CPC# - SW03658 - £1.03p Inline Switch 10amp.

- - - - - - -

With 1 light, you're 'in the game'

With 2 lights, you just cleaned out the Casino baby !!

EIGHTEEN THOUSAND LUMENS !!

2 lights pretty much allows you to do almost any lighting setup in the book; a 'classic' rig.

OPTIONAL ACCESSORY PACK
-----------------------

TESCO - Extra Wide Aluminium Foil (to cover the boxes the lights came in; exellent 'El.Cheapo' reflectors).

TESCO - 1 Kg Bag Of Rice.

HALFORDS - Welding Mask !!

:moose:

Cheers.

Si.


Ha Ha, I love reading your little stories.

I'm sorry but its high out put LEDS with a giant heat sink all the way. Halides are history-

Before the introduction of kids I had a marine tank, I was serious about Zero gravity aqua-scaping and corals, the fish were a bonus. People used to ask me why and how are my arms, hands and face look sun burnt in the middle of winter. oh no I replied to them, was just cleaning my fish tank out at the weekend. They just looked at me with there mouths wide open as though I was nuts. :cool::bg::bg::bg:

True story

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If you just ignore him Dan he'll soon disappear back up Magic Moose Mountain.

But........ he does have a point.

Hello Si !!  How's the bricklaying ?

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I doo Michael, but Si is a cool dude.. :cool::cool:

He does have a point and I didn't realise how bad the last shoot was and some of the distortion in the others.

Love to know what goes on in the world of Moose :P:P:P

cheers Dan

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I like the new pictures Dan.

Hi Ken

Thank you

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Hi Dan.

How many Lumens will you get with LEDs ?

I seriously doubt it will be much...
...unless you spend 100s & 100s of $$$.

18,000 Lumens is MINIMUM requirement, IMO.

Halogens ARE NOT HISTORY !

Do your research & don't believe the hype !

They'll sell you ANYTHING 'new' if they possibly can...
...but is it better ?...
...most often not !

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Halides give off a lot of lumens but they go every where and bounce, LEDS are direct focus, cant remember the lumens now, but a block with about 18 3w LEDS (Depending on what type) was the around the same as 150 Watt halide, but there is a lot more to it, because the light is direct it doesn't look so bright but it actually radiates more light.

Try looking at CREE LEDS that's what we used to use.

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I got a price for you Dan.

18,000 Lumens of LEDs (2x100 Watts)...

...will cost you £393.04p

My 'historic' halogen rig ... £19.08p !!

You'll need more than 1kg of rice...
...cos with LEDs, that's what you'll be eating for a couple of months !

Bon apetite !

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Ha, didn't say they were cheap.

How much does you air conditioning cost?

Any how I'm not saying halides are crap, I just think LEDs are the way forward. Yes they are expensive but there's a lot of factors to consider.

Dan

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What factors are currently under consideration ?

Si.

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FWIW: no matter what kind of bulbs you install remember to have fresh air circulating over the model(s). Just a small fan in the slowest setting will do. Plastic has the nasty habit of soaking up heat and then suddenly distort. Don't ask how I found out... Jose.

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it may not have been a great picture but it was a picture of your effort i still like it

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When running my tank the heat reduction was massive plus all the heat went up wards away from the tank (no heat below the bulbs. Trying to keep a marine tank during summer ant easy, if your using halides you'd need a chillier during the winter months let alone the summer, then there's the coast of the chillier and running expensive of the chillier plus extra pump for this device (more running cost and more heat in the tank), halide bulbs need to be changed every year (for corals to keep the correct spectrum and these ant cheap).

I know this is a tank not domestic, like out side house security lighting etc., for that I would just use a halide as it is only on for a short time.

But in shops, in houses as decoration and even flood lights or building sites the saving are massive in the long run, less heat, no bulb changing, more robust, and much much less running cost. No one is really using halides any more up town in the offices even Fluorescent and compact T5 tubes are being replaced because of the savings and better light.

Down side to LEDs the up front cost and the narrow spread of light, you can get lenses that spread the light further but then you loose the amount of light per square area. Also with LEDS you don't get a nice warm (depend on spectrum)even spread of light with no glear (spelling)

Sorry need to stop talking about halides and leds getting carried away.

Trains now please

Cheers Dan

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I was under the impression we were talking about 'photograpic' lighting for taking pictures...
...not room lighting...
...an entirely different concept.

Photographic lights provide the high-lumens needed for quality pix.

The amount of Lumens needed for effective room lighting is WAY less.

All the lights in my place are now LED...
...but I'm not trying to take large depth of field photographs in my kitchen !

For photography lights that are maybe switched on for an hour or so...
...halogen provides the needed high output, at a cost anyone can justify.
It isn't 'layout lighting, it's for doing pictures.

Si.

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Dan & Si,

Appropriate horses for different courses perhaps ?

For low heat gain illumination of close up subjects maybe LED has some advantages.

For overall illumination of a larger, further away subject maybe Halogen.

As a trial on saving 12 V battery power I recently swapped a Halogen for a claimed "equivalent" power multi LED in our truck campervan. The light is blinding close up but hopeless for trying to read a book at 2' away - the light peters out before it reaches the page.

In the new kitchen at home I am installing a 5' long 50 W fluorescent against Madame's desire for 'trendy modern spotlights'. 

Back to the trains & some MMMMM hooch plant stories !. 

Cheers,     Michael

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FWIW: no matter what kind of bulbs you install remember to have fresh air circulating over the model(s). Just a small fan in the slowest setting will do. Plastic has the nasty habit of soaking up heat and then suddenly distort. Don't ask how I found out... Jose.


Hi Jose

Yes you do need to disperse the heat, LEDs still produce a lot of heat but very low per Watt compared to Halide or T5.
The cooler you keep your LEDS the longer the life. LEDs must be kept cool.

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it may not have been a great picture but it was a picture of your effort i still like it

Hi Charles

No it was not a great picture but I was trying to give persons looking a better overall picture.

Thank you for your kind comments.

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I was under the impression we were talking about 'photograpic' lighting for taking pictures...
...not room lighting...
...an entirely different concept.

Photographic lights provide the high-lumens needed for quality pix.

The amount of Lumens needed for effective room lighting is WAY less.

All the lights in my place are now LED...
...but I'm not trying to take large depth of field photographs in my kitchen !

For photography lights that are maybe switched on for an hour or so...
...halogen provides the needed high output, at a cost anyone can justify.
It isn't 'layout lighting, it's for doing pictures.

Si.

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Oh yeah I would make you right, but in a studio were the lights are on all the time I would have said all that heat and fire hazzards would now be off putting using Halides, when you have other options.

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Dan & Si,

Appropriate horses for different courses perhaps ?

For low heat gain illumination of close up subjects maybe LED has some advantages.

For overall illumination of a larger, further away subject maybe Halogen.

As a trial on saving 12 V battery power I recently swapped a Halogen for a claimed "equivalent" power multi LED in our truck campervan. The light is blinding close up but hopeless for trying to read a book at 2' away - the light peters out before it reaches the page.

In the new kitchen at home I am installing a 5' long 50 W fluorescent against Madame's desire for 'trendy modern spotlights'. 

Back to the trains & some MMMMM hooch plant stories !. 

Cheers,     Michael


Don't be fooled by this is an equivalent, these are two completely different light sources that work in a totally different way. Lumens is a very basic way of measuring light too.

In a kitchen or model room I would also use a fluorescent tube or a T5 bulb. Reason is these do not contrast shadows, the light goes every where.

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Hi Dan,

Thanks for clarifying the "equivalent lumens" misunderstanding. The LED salesfolk never point that out to gullible purchasers such as myself.

The "contrasting shadow" problem is exactly why I have gone for a 5' fluor in the kitchen rebuild vs the 'in vogue' trendy spotlights of Madame's dreams.
Shadows + sharp knifes = ouch !.
I have no photographic expertise at all - "point & shoot on auto" is my limit !.

Cheers,    Michael

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A photon, is a photon, is a photon ...

A certain # of photons, gives you a Lumen.

Standard measure of light.

Now Watts to Watts, IS VERY CONFUSING...

...a measure of power-consumption, NOT light output !

Si.

P.S.

" LEDs still produce a lot of heat but very low per Watt compared to Halide "

I think you mean per LUMEN.

The amount of heat per Watt, is identical !

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" I would have said all that heat and fire hazzards would now be off putting using Halides "

- - - - - - -

What 'fire hazard' ??

The lamp is TOTALY ENCLOSED in a die-cast aluminium box !
With safety-glass, you'd need a HAMMER to break !

You could put a sheet of paper on top of a 500W halogen-light for as long as you like...
...it would NEVER ignite.
(not of course, that one would be THAT stupid, in the first place)

:moose:

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Yes fire hazard. This is one of the reasons they are now banned from most building sites, it does happen. Stupid-ness or accidental if the heat cant escape because its covered over it will smoke and go up.

Si sorry but I don't want to get into a debate about this. There's a lot of forums out there about LEDS which goes a lot further than just Lumens... to which I have forgotten a lot about and couldn't get me head around. Yes I meant watts per Lumen but then your reducing the amount of heat because you don't need so many watts worth of LEDs to produce the similar amount of light.

i.e.

The rig below has 2x 36 watt led bulbs each consisting of 12 x 3watt leds, the smaller one is just for mornings and evenings, these combined is around the same as a 100-150w Halide if I was to use one, in fact I had to raise the rig 2ft higher and even then it was to strong for my light craving sps corals. It produced no heat, the heat sinks got hot but not burning, they don't look any where near a powerful as a halide which would have let up my front room too, but believe me they are.



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(not of course, that one would be THAT stupid, in the first place)

History is full of "hey watch this" moments... Jose.

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Hi Dan.

I understand that if you want boiled cod; the fish & chip shop might be a better option.

As for a bunch of cowboy-builders 'going out in a blaze of glory'...
...I don't know what to say !?

As Steve McQueen said to Paul Newman in 'Towering Inferno'...
... " I keep tellin' them, but they just don't listen ".

I will make a mental note to myself though...
...not to put a tarpaulin soaked in gasoline over my photographic-lights, whilst I enjoy taking some pictures.

I imagine thousands (if not millions) of photographers, over decades; have all managed perfectly well, to use their lighting without setting fire to themselves, burning their fingers, or melting their Moguls.

The fact that a simple hi-power 2-light outfit has become what one could call a 'classic rig'...
...is that it allows great flexibility, for direct, indirect, diffused etc. setups...
...giving WIDE, EVEN and POWERFULL coverage, with minimum fuss & expense.
NOT room-lighting, NOT layout-lighting, NOT fish-tank illumination...
...Photographic lighting !

It is misleading & somewhat off the point to talk about lighting in the broadest sense...
...when the task of realistic, high depth of field layout photography, is in fact, quite specific.

There are complex & hi-cost alternatives, of course.
Studio-flash obviously comes to mind; if you've got $100s & $100s of bucks to blow on it.

But why bother' when you can get in the game for £20-quid.

:moose:

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Si---this slipped right by me (getting easier these days!)

You wrote--

A photon, is a photon, is a photon ...

A certain # of photons, gives you a Lumen.

Standard measure of light.


Now then, old chap,, is all this approved by  Brussels?

Or are they still working on the ten hour day?

And how many photons do I need to make my own photon torpedo? I have this neighbor--------

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I make you right on what you say Si and never would I.

I do have one of those, now this may sound weird low wattage high power Compact t5, this was very powerful and gave great white light for modelling with out contrasting shadows, its like a normal bulb but used for photography and are dirt cheap. But I just used it in my old modelling room and hung it from ceiling banet light fitting. worked a treat no annoying desk lamp. :moose:

Would use it now but the ceiling is to low and your either head but it or be blinded.

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Hi all

just an update of where I am with the Railroad, pictures taken on tablet no SLR or photo-stacking.















This is the area I am working on now..





an overall view of I suppose what you could call an on30 shelf layout.


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Cool!. That small stream reminds of the streams in the alps, coming down the mountainside with vegetation everywhere. :thumb:

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very well done like the pictures also a bunch of moosies

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Great stuff Dan.

Back to your usual great photos.

That 'photo-stacking' software realy SUCKED !

Looks like a nice camera in your tablet.

:moose:

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'Evening Dan,

Looks like Martin (mylocomarty) now has some real competition.

Top marks to you !.

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Looking very good!

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Hi all and thank you for your kind comments.

Alwin: Glad you liked the stream, will give it another coat soon.

Charles: Thank you for the Moose's.

Si: Yeah your right the photo stacking sucked. Though I think it may be more down to me and the lack of experience.

Michael: Think I'm at the stage were Martin first started he's 1st threads. Them new trees of his are amazing.

Ray: Thank you.


Sorry for the late reply's, as the weather in the UK has been ok other chores got in the way.

Some work has been done. The ware house to the left is coming along, the café has been painted but needs finishing off, electrical connectors have been added to the bus line for easy connections between modules, the coal yard mine has been started and all of my Chiver kits have been premiered and base colours added.

some quick shots











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Dan

Not just a shelf layout, but a top notch shelf layout!

Great work, Sir!

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Dan

Not just a shelf layout, but a top notch shelf layout!

Great work, Sir!

Herb


Hi Herb

Thank you

cheers Dan

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looking very good and :moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Thank you Charles

I'll have to work harder next time and get that extra :moose: LOL :)

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Got my first Tam Valley point controller fitted and working, so I can now send a train the full length of the layout and then back down the section of run-round loop.

Just need to wait until pay day to get another and so on LOL :P

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Hi all

Not much has been happening, time of year, kids, wife, money.

But this has been a good time to get my rolling stock painted and finished as with painting I could do a bit then leave it over night to dry (enamel's cant get on with acrylic) and then get on with choirs.

All rolling stock was spray painted with Humbrol grey primer and then a base colour coat, then washes of the final colour were added. This gets ride all the all to even paint look. Next the models were lightly sprayed or washed with Grimy black. Rust added were need be and then dry high lights added to give a more 3d effect.

All logos and numbers etc.. were done with a bow pen. The simplest design associated with mining seems to be axe's and as I am using a bow pen this was very simple to do. Did try drawing a creek as my railroad is called Rayley creek but it just looked a mess and was very hard to re-replicate.

Glazing was then added using clear plastic card and glued in using glazing glue.

All that's needed now are the brake handles and a light dusting of very light brown.



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Found one more.

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Hi Dan
Nice work
Dennis:moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Thank you Denis

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What are those pink things, Daniel?

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Hi Herb

Just a type of stem like flower, I don't know if these are native to the US but it just adds a bit of colour and interest.

Its just 1mm florist wire dipped in Woodland scenic tacky glue that is then left to dry whilst I make a load more and then dipped in a bag of fine diced coloured foam. And that's it.

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Hi gang

I think a lot of you will be pleased to hear I have ended up re-introduced the half size module to the right. I wanted to keep the railroad to just the 2 modules plus staging yard but I found out after running trains for a little while (just the main line and the run round loop section as the rest of the point work is not up and running yet) was that the trains end up of scenee when running round and shunting which is pointless as you wont to see the engine and rolling stock at all times whilst carrying out there duties, until driving off down the line to another town. Also by inclosing my layout you could only view every thing from the front and lost a lot of good viewing points, plus the carefully flowing curves on my railroad that every one seems to like could no longer be viewed and was pointless doing so, might as well made it all straight.

I re-fitted the section and looked at it for ages for possibility's of what I could do and I come up with cutting the square corner off so this small modular reduced in size to the same size as the staging yard modular section. This got ride of the corner that I kept banging into and hurting my self, the modular piece doesn't look so bulky as looks much more cleaner and give a much better viewing angle from the side.

I made the original pound area into a small logging zone, logs are loaded or off loaded via a log loader on the main line. I know this may not have happened in real life but as this is a quite end terminus so operations happened. lol

Any way here are a few pics

Previous

http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/danielduggan5/media/Rayley%20Creek/picture432.jpg.html

Now: Corner cut off plaster added were need be and ballast laid to neaten to module.



Coaling tower moved and fencing added.



Logging scene started and greenery added.











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High all

Going to be building a few low relief structures to fill in a phew gaps, I used Milocmarty or Martine's techniques of using black foam board as the base then layered wood strips on top and found this an easy and fun way of making buildings and will adopt this method for future structures.

Next the wood was stained using a very small amount of Humbrol matt black enamel paint mixed with lots of thinners. then applied until I was happy with the shad.

Next I sprayed the model with white paint (the slower the drying time the better) which was applied in the normal manner not to dusty and not so thick that it runs. once it has turned from liquid to solid I applied masking tap which pulled some of the paint off, I kept doing this until the desire amount was pulled of. The weather was very hot so work had to be done fast and towards the end rubbing in the masking tap for more adhesion was required. Then a light dusting of chalk powders to tone down some of the white.

Below the results, some finishing off required, windows, doors signs and corrugated roof etc.











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Hi Daniel

Nice progress on the layout and a great building too. What did you use for the roof?

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Dan,

Thinners/dye solvents will wreck the foamboard if they soak in through the outer paper skin. I always stain the external cladding strips first, allow to dry out, throw into a random pile of various colours and then stick onto the foamboard.

That angled end module has really opened up the view (as seen in your 1st photo above). A successful experiment !.

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Hi Alwin and thank you

I haven't used anything yet. the small extension has Tamiya finishing abrasive on it, but I don't like it so I'm going to give it a rusty iron corrugated roof.

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Hi Michael

Yeah, didn't think of that luckily nothing happened. :bg:

Have to remember that next time :P

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Great work. :moose::moose::moose:
Too few people making flats from wood, I've noticed...Shoulders wrote:
I like the depot. Was that a kit of scratchbuilt?

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Hi Lee

Thank you.

The depot is a Banta kit, these are extremely good kits that go together perfectly.

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Hi all

Things coming along, sorry short on pics.

The large ware house on the left which was a temporary gap filler until later date is looking a bit crud compared to the Banta kits and my new scratch building. So happy with the way the rest of the railroad is looking and coming along I have taken it off the layout, kept the track running all the way to the corner and have built up a small hill side for another coal mine (an enclosed building tippler type). This has given my Terminus more reason for the railroad to have gone there and why it would have a small town. I have done this carefully with out destroying anything so if I'm not keen on it I can easily change it back to how it was or build a better looking mixed goods shed.

I will do some pics tomorrow.

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Here's some pictures

The logging area, all the trees have been moved to this area to prevent damaged whilst working on the left hand side. new ones will be made to fill in the left hand board.



The red structure has been moved to here, adds height to my layout and doesn't make all my building look like they have been built on the flat.







The new larger coal mine. This is a test not sure if it will work or look right but wont to give it a go.











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A few up dates

Built the retaining wall out of strip wood and stained using enamels. Just need to add bolts and angle/tee metal brackets.
Also I'm now using my original tippler with a covered tramway on top.





The tram way structure and office have a black foam board skeleton using the same technics as Martin.







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Hay every one

Things are coming along and just trying to finish and tidy up things, though seems to be never ending. I suppose changing things around all the time doesn't help, but its experience, experimenting and the most thing is I'm having fun.

Any way thought I would share a few pictures of what's been going on as its been very quite on the forum and would like to see the forum continue into the future.

enough talking some pictures. Oh also I have been using Acrylic paints and starting to like them.

The coal tippler tramway is coming along, I used Wills 00 gauge corrugated sheet.





A new roof was felt was laid on the Depot using Tamiya finishing paper glued down with PVA and the masking tap was to hold it down flat whilst drying.





This low relief building is now finished.



The line side hut is finished.





Turning the old coal yard area into a sawn wood loading area.









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Very nice!

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This really is developing very well Daniel. You certainly have an eye for detail and your colouring is first class. All very believable.


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Hi Ken

Thank you

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Hi Doug

Cheers, Glad the colours look ok. The colours are a little brighter or bolder than what I can see on my screen.

Like the loco in your signature, something you built?

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Hi Daniel. Yes, it's a 009/HOn30 cobbled together from the left-overs of a Langley Models Lyn body kit, a bit of brass tubing for the boiler, a Grafar N scale 08 chassis with the cylinders, valve gear and motion grafted on from a Roco Br99 HOe loco and various brass bits from CalScale. It's DC only but has head and backup lighting.
If you're interested. you can see a sort of build sequence in photos at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33431492@N04/albums/72157631851210479

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Off topic (as usual for me)

Doug, I hadn't realized what a neat little lokie that was, just looking at your avatar!

Very well done!

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Very nice
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Thanks for the comments (sorry for the thread drift Daniel)and it is one of the few things I retained when I dismantled and sold off my 009 scale Tremeifion layout after it was featured in the 2009 British Railway Modelling Annual.
That was also the time I discovered that Anno Domini was catching up with me and my eyesight and dexterity were, to say the least, gently declining, prompting my up-scaling to On30 and my Updah Creek layout recorded on NGRM-Online forum.

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Hi Doug

No worries, I asked my fault lol.

Thanks for the link, that's really great. I love it when people use something out of the parts boxes to represent something. i.e. the 4mm scale pin point bearing for the aluminium vacuum tank.

Those new Grafa chassis are great for 009, much better than the old type that melt the two nylon bearings and burn out. I was kid at the time :us:

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Parts/bits box - the greatest asset in railroad modelling! I almost never throw anything away and it never ceases to surprise me what comes in useful and can add to a build. Modellers don't accumulate rubbish, just "useful things"! :)

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Hi Dan.

Great work on the tippler & building !

The OO Wills 'placky iron' looks nice.
Pretty good relief effect on those 'moulded' sheets.

I just found the Wills wide-spaced corrugated is cool in 1:35 scale...
...& got 2 exellent types of 'stone' from the same range.

Your layout is looking GREAT !

Cheers.

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slateworks wrote: Parts/bits box - the greatest asset in railroad modelling! I almost never throw anything away and it never ceases to surprise me what comes in useful and can add to a build. Modellers don't accumulate rubbish, just "useful things"! :)
Doug, so true!
Being that I have bin the sort that hates to throw away ''good stuff'' I found this out early.

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Hi Si

Cheers. Some of the wills stuff works pretty well in the larger scales, cant see how people would use it for 4mm scale. Way to thick for me personally.

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My new little build.

converting an old H0 scales round house shay into a small 2foot type gauge free lance Shay.



Took away the large open can motor and cut all the tabs.



Added a Mishima motor. The knuckle joint was re-fitted to the motor shat with a styrene adaptor.



The Banta gas mechanical cab was built and cut were needed for the rear cylinder block.





The original coal bunker was shortened to suit and then glue to the rear of the cab.



And this is well as far as I got, to be continued.



Hope you like.

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Hi Dan,
Nice work on the conversion.
For some Down Under inspiration on small Shays have a look at http://www.starfieldobservatory.com/MapletonTramway/Index.htm

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Dan

Looks like a shop made replacement, after a serious tumble--well done!

John-

Thanks for some interesting reading, for some day when I should be working------

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Hi John

Great link thank you.

Cheers Dan :2t:

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Hi Herb

Thank you. Yeah the new cab has been fitted but they are still recovering the bogies from the hill side ditch. LOL

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Hi Dan.

AWESOME Shay conversion...
...how the heck do you get all this done so quick...
...AND so good !!! ???

Just had friends staying for 5 weeks...
...haven't got ANYTHING done at all.
AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

Had a bit of fun, one or two brews & wore a few records out though !

Cheers.

Si.

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I don't think I've been collecting junque for as long as Herb...
...but, I have a 'walk in' parts/scrap-bin...
...it's called A SHED !!!
(Ceeegar smoking permited !)

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Three outbuildings, and two 20' sea containers Si.

Get busy--you have some catching up to do!

Gotta admit--very little modeling stuff though.

But if Gromit doesn't stop dragging things home---

(and learns to pick up the cegar butts)




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Three outbuildings, and two 20' sea containers Si.

Get busy--you have some catching up to do!

Gotta admit--very little modeling stuff though.

But if Gromit doesn't stop dragging things home---

(and learns to pick up the cegar butts)




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Me too.

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Hay Si

Thank you for your kind comments.

My models if honest are rush built and not perfect, just thrown together and not bothered if it an't perfect. I just hide it by creating a scene like you do in N gauge, no real detail just an image, think the main thing is washes for shadows and then highlighting every thing due to the larger size. That's all.

It wasn't tensional every thing is just thrown together and was just to give me a break from my very time consuming EM gauge stuff, it just happened and worked.

Cheers Dan'

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Hay Si

Thank you for your kind comments.

My models if honest are rush built and not perfect, just thrown together and not bothered if it an't perfect. I just hide it by creating a scene like you do in N gauge, no real detail just an image, think the main thing is washes for shadows and then highlighting every thing due to the larger size. That's all.

It wasn't tensional every thing is just thrown together and was just to give me a break from my very time consuming EM gauge stuff, it just happened and worked.

Cheers Dan'



Mighty fine looking stuff for "just thrown together".

:)

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Si said: Just had friends staying for 5 weeks...
...haven't got ANYTHING done at all.
AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

I think this is a good thing a gives us all a break from it as when we come back and do a bit I find I enjoy it more.


Herb said: Three outbuildings, and two 20' sea containers Si.

I,m no were near there yet LOL....

Cheers Dan

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Thank you:bg:

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Going a bit off topic here..

Here are some pictures of the newly finished two approx. 9ft radius, 1in10 & 1in12 facing crossover for the roundy roundy extension of our club layout Clatter ford. These points are to serve the run round loop for the sugar beat sidings and was made in one sectional piece. This took my self and my friend Steve on and off for the past year to build, the hardest part was filling the vee as the metal ends up as thin as thin can get, it was a nightmare but Steve painstakingly managed to fill up a pair with EM gauge jigs and soldered them together. The sleepers are thin plywood made by Mike and the rail chairs are from C&L and glued on using Butanone (do not breath this stuff in). All rail joint/electrical breaks are done using ultra scale plastic fish plates.



















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Greetings Dan,

Nice flowing X-over. Reproducing full size prototype sleepering in small scale can be a nightmare.
I don't understand what the T shaped wire rods in the brass tubes on the black ?plastic bar are for ?

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Hi Michael

Telling me, most was enjoyable but the 1in12 vee was a pig, the vee crossings are supposed to be straight all the way through but I just couldn't do it with out curving them slightly. But have to say the satisfaction afterwards is well worth it.

The T-bars and other parts are for the switch blades witch I didn't mean to up load yet, I will describe this part after Thursday when I'm up the club to do some more work and take some more pictures/drawings to explain. This is a simple idea and has proven worthy, which will be very useful to members here who scratch build there points or improve commercial types.

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Those are pretty.

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Hi Reg

Thank you.

Forgot to say the T-bars etc. for the switch blades are not my design they are Steve's or who ever may have showed him, which is why I'm not doing a description until I have completed a set.

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Hi Dan,

I had noticed the curved common crossings (Vees, Frogs, whatever) but was too polite to mention it !.

In reality it isn't a problem - all crossings are supposed to be straight but it is a myth that they all are. I've seen a number of noticeably curved 1:1 scale prototype switches completely curved if the only available space required a 'compact' layout.

The "pins, tubes & black plastic stuff" mystery deepens !

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Just looked through my photo collection for you Dan - I can't find the really curved "Vee" I was looking for but study these :

Photo 1 :

Look at the Vee between the 1st & 2nd roads on left hand side :






Photo 2 : Look at the Left departing road curved Vee :





Photo 3 : The left hand (main) road through this Vee is only straight for a few inches, if that :






Photo 1 from t'internet.

Photos 2 & 3 by Salada.

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Hi Michael

Thanks for posting the pictures.

The first picture with my eyes looks like its curving from the vee tip back wards and the front part of the vee assembly looks like its curving slightly too and in both directions. little hard to tell with the front part though.

If you do come across one of your pictures with a better view of a curving vee please post.

Again thank you.

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Sorry Dan, I can't find the photo I wanted. Been all through my digital stuff, not there.
It must have been a 35 mm print but I have boxes galore of them, not in any particular order so task impossible at present. If I remember, the very curved switch was at Lydney, Glos but all changed there now.

Photo 1 above : Yes, the whole thing is bent - common crossing, knuckle & closure rails - that is why I posted it.

Mystery, mystery ....... T shaped pins & bits of brass tube  ... & a black thing .... ??..!!

Cheers,   Michael

ps: where DO you find the time for such excellence ??

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'Evening Dan,

In a search for something else I was looking through my copy of :

"British Railway Track - Design, Construction & Maintenance"

Published by The Permanent Way Institution (price 40 shillings, published 1964)

Chapter IX, Calculation of Leads & Radii :

Case 3: Short length of straight at both crossings:

-In certain cases it is desirable to have a short length of straight through the crossings.


This confirms my comment that "frogs"/crossings don't HAVE to be straight; that is a myth. Though they often are it is not a fixed rule. Many calculated examples in the book have no straight.

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ps: mystery object's explanation ??

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Hi Michael

Cheers, much appreciated and sorry for the late reply.

As for mystery object I still cant yet explain as I haven't been up the club and I'm not shore if Steve has made any further progress with the switch blade mechanical devices.

I think I will start a thread in the 00/ho section.

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Being out of action for some time due to a back injury I got time to sit back a play with me trains and in doing so I started to realise that the chivers stock looked to small and lightweight for the type of railroad my layout had become.

I got hold of an already built and painted Boulder valley steel box car on Ebay, this looked so much better. The length height width or just simply the chunkier look when positioned by the buildings looked right. So the chivers stock were finished and then sold off to pay for more highly detailed resin kits.

Here are the models finished or to a point before they were sold






















Also I found that the short road just behind the team track was useless for any thing (this once served my original coal mine that stuck out the front of the layout) so I have removed all track be right up the switch blade and locked in place. The team track hut could then be moved back slightly giving me more yard area. when shunting I found there was to many points on the run round loop, so magnet de-couplers could not be positioned where I wanted them. So the new coal branch road was removed and instead of ripping up the scenery which I normally do, I made it look like an abandoned mine. The wood yard has been re-fitted to the front and the coal mine is now on the right hand side making it possible to shunt this around efficiently.

Man when I build my next railroad I will defiantly think things through and test the track plane out before building it. I do not want to be changing things around like I have done on this layout.

Here are a couple of pics more to come tomorrow.

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opps here









http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/danielduggan5/media/Rayley%20Creek/picture863.jpg.html

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'Evening Dan,

Hope your back mends OK, I've missed the updates on your excellent work.

I've spent well over a year researching & planning my layout (OK, there's been a lot of festivals,dancing, travelling & beer quality control inspections as well) - time wasted but I've learnt a lot about the U.S. NG prototype meantime. Also my loco fleet has gone 'heavyweight' & would never have suited my first doodled curves & switches.

I think modelled 'abandoned' things look really good, but not often seen on layouts. That fencing around the new mine finishes the end off well.

Regards,                Michael   

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Hi Dan.

You might be going a bit nuts over some of the track mods. on the layout.
But I have to say, I've really enjoyed seeing you design 'on the fly' in the thread...
...'tweeks' to a pretty solid trackplan I guess.
The confidence to do this, AND pull it off, is very inspiring ! :brill:

The Chivers stock looks real nice; kinda sad to see it go...
...but I totaly get what you mean...
...& a slightly 'bigger' & 'moooooderner' look, is for sure going to look great as well.

:thumb:

One of my favorite parts of the layout, is the British Railways post-grouping scene.



The Jodrell-Bank radio-telescope is a tricky prototype to model.
The contrast between the deep-space tracking-station & rural landscape is going to make a unique combination though.

(_!_)

All the best.

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Hi Michael

Thank you.

I don't think this was time wasted, if I had of done the same I don't think I would have changed things around so much and saving a lot of wasted time, effort and money. :doh:

When you say heavier do you mean K-class. When I went to the Slime gauge circular meet Paul from EDM had two for sale... there flipping massive and for the weight of them I don't think my lightweight designed baseboard would coupe with something like that. Thought my Bachmann 2-8-0 was big in heavy. :shocked:

Glad you've been parting and enjoying your self [toast]:shades::dope: Think it is always good or a must to have other hobbies out side the modelling room.

Cheers Dan

Cheers Dan

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Hi Si

Thank you. I was also sade to see them go, but I think it was a choice that had to be made.:sad:

Ha Ha, forgot that was in the back ground. As for the telescope I'm trying to motorise it so you get the effect of it following the satellite dish's orbit around the Earth. lol L::bg:

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Hay Guy's

Christian Collect is a great on30 modeller who brought some of my stock, he sent me a picture with them on he's amazing on30 railroad but for some reason I cant up load the image so I'll have to contact him to send it un-locked.

Below short cut I a video of some excellent narrow gauge modelling that Christian sent me and aloud me to put on here. He's layout is about 5 mins in, you can also see Martins layout at 18mins in.

http://www.railtv.fr/4304

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Hello Dan,

I also was wondering about the "Ferret & Dartboard" parked in the background. Looks like a Fowler tender ?.

My MMI K27's (2) weigh in at 1 lb 2 oz PER AXLE if you exclude the leading & trailing ponies which don't really carry any weight so the Chavez PW (permanent way) engineers are having a major rethink. Good news is they are a lot more 'sure-footed' than Mr B's 2-8-0's on the switch & track panels I am currently building. You'll see them when I get around to posting progress down at the Junction. 

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We are awaiting photographic evidence, Sir.

In the meantime, did you look at the excellent modeling in the video? Especially the first display with a TURNTABLE?

Of course, you will have a different name for it, and say that it isn't the same thing------


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Also whilst I was recovering with my back injury I thought to my self why am I standing all the time when working on or looking at my railroad which is set at chest height for exhibition purposes in my own garage. Plus the awkward ness of erecting/lowering and balancing it all single handily whilst working on each section. So I have re-fitted it on shelve brackets but this time with an open framed shelf so I can work on it from below, slide the sections along with out making sure it is on at least 2 of the brackets properly with out tipping over.

Also it is now lowered so I can sit down on my office chair and watch trains. Plenty of open storage underneath with no legs in the way.







The fiddle yard under development.



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Hi Guys

Here is some more work done to my railroad.

the coal mine structure with in house loading dock.



The sign was done by laying down making tape in the shape of a square and then white acrylic paint was dapped on with a brush in the same way as you would when stencilling.



The masking tape was laid down 3mm in of the masking tape and then black paint was stencilled on, this was done one stripe or edge at a time.



Then using black Indian ink and a bow pen I free handed wrote the coal mines logo.



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Nice!

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Hi Dan.

Lookin' great mate !

I see the mine cars are 'gravity fed' (_!_)

I think I asked you this before Dan...
...but can't recall...
...what is the corrugated material you're using ?
( is it Wills 4mm asbestoes ?? )
It looks real nice !

All the best.

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Hi Ray

Thank you

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Hi Si

Cheers :bg:

Correct it is the Wills 4mm scale stuff, I brought some more last week and found there wooden rough cut feather edge stuff which don't look bad in this scale either.

Cant see how this stuff is right for 4mm scale.L:

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Hi Dan.

4mm scale ??

Dunno mate.

I have bought 4 types of those Wills products ( inc. your corrugated ).

I think they work in 1:35 !!

In 4mm scale, some of the Wills paving-slabs...
...look the size of POOL TABLES !

Nice products, if you figure out the 'wackey Wills' scaleing !

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WHOOP WHOOP!!!!!:glad::glad::glad::glad::glad::glad:

The postman pat popped by today and gest what he delivered, two Boulder valley truck kits.

They are both the new hunkered down types: 1x new military box van and 1x gondola.

I know what I'll be doing over Christmas and it definitely what be watching Christmas repeats or Eastenders.. lol :P

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Hi every one...:wave:

Done some tidying up one the railroad yesterday.

I got ride of the station as I don't fill that my railroad is heavy enough to hold or have such a station, so I have added small line side hut Depot with a wooden walkway. I think this has given my railroad that more up to date 50's/60's look, especially with the new open grass look which has opened the road out a bit.

I've also added the optional end board to the right hand side which I also think looks more right with the way this railroad is heading.

Feedback wanted please: especially from you guys in the states, any corrections to what I have done or ideas to create the correct style of theme wanted.

















Please excuse the fault line running down the middle, this isn't from the film San andreas with the Rock. I had just slapped some glue down and applied the static grass, didn't want the boards to stick together.

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Hi Daniel,

Just switched on to reduce boredom of doing my Tax Return !.

As your work far excels what I could hope to achieve I shouldn't offer any "feedback" - but here goes !!

Trackplan, track appearance, general ambience - Excellent. Scenic work - Excellent.
The 'old' mine & the 'new' mine - great idea.

Which leaves the new station/depot......Ummmm. The 'hut' is OK-ish but the timber platform looks way too neat in comparison to the rest of your scene. Also, the diagonal end sloped fence across the rails from the hut (beside the San Andreas) looks to me rather more English than U.S. - which would more likely just be an open, dusty bit of dirt, maybe with a few bits of old junk lying around.

Shall I apologise now or later ? In my defence I have seen & ridden on railways in a number of countries, including the U.S. In some countries a similar minor stop platform would just be a rough mound of grassy earth.

Cheers,        Michael  

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Hi Micheal

No, please this info is what I want people to comment on.
So the large fence is a no no.. just leave it open or rather than leaving it open to add feature, would a small wooden barrier like small round stubby posts and a single timber length between posts?

The new Depot is second hand and was built pretty rough, it was to be place on the layout to see how things looked and to see if you guys would think it was more appropriate than the larger depot.I presume this is a yes but built and painted better.
The platform was only built, stained and positioned last night. I wasn't sure if I should just leave it as a gravel platform or wooden but I went for wood and Yep... I will improve the weathered and aged look to this then.
Junk: is this at the depot, team track or every where.

Thank you for the quick response.

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'Evening Dan,

A lot of countries don't, or didn't, have the British "obsession" ** about fencing off, or post & railing the railtrack area FROM the general surroundings.

In an Italian suburb we know well, even these days people regularly descend from the train (at a low, crumbling, dirty "platform") (power operated doors & automatically lowering passenger steps, as in many places outside the U.K.) & walk along the twin tracks to their street. Happens everywhere in southern Italy. We do it as well !. No one cares, no-one bothers.

In ever-so-precious Switzerland there is NO fencing alongside minor lines or in urban areas. Same in France, Belgium, Bosnia, Serbia, Greece etc. etc. Also rather similar in the U.S. at least where we have been. Their major lines are fenced off in urban areas & in some rural areas but miles of single track has no fencing.

So in your scenario IMO no low posts or any barrier required at all. Not too much junk, just a few small bits near the depot & by the team track area.

To be honest, I thought your old depot/station building was more in keeping with your general atmosphere & style of buildings. It was a reminder of slightly grander "passenger timetable" times before the line became a bit run-down & more dependent just on local industries.

** actually a Parliamentary legal requirement from almost the earliest U.K. railways that "that infernal steam monster" should be safely separated from wives, widows & children (& the Gentry's horses !). The upkeep of all the U.K.'s railway fencing is a major ongoing Railtrack expense.

Cheers,        Michael

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Evening Michael

Interesting and thank you, something I've overlooked... they don't do they..lol

The thing I thought was its now more towards an end of line terminus from the main and mainly built for the coal mine with the expectation's for large amounts of coal deposits that never was rather than the previous design of a through road railroad pulling 3x chivers 24-28ft passenger cars. Now in more recent times a small mine is still open on the east side providing work with a small but growing town with a dirt road running down the middle. this is why I thought it would be or look more appropriate to have a small halt looking depot.

Got the idea of this from this layout called Stout Oak-Iowa that I see at the Tinkers park narrow gauge show this year.

Picture taken my self with layout owners permission.


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Hi Again Dan !,

Exactly the atmosphere/scene I thought you were after. Sort of faded gentility & memories of better times. It's your line, your call .... but I still like your old, previous depot building !!.  

I like that freight-caboose car.

Back to a Rum & hot soldering iron.....

Cheers,    Michael

ps: looks like Si & I will soon be picking your brains about turnout operation methods !.

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Hi Dan.

The smaller depot seems like a valid idea, for the new 'terminus' approach.

Seems like you're going for a more freight oriented setup.

The couple of passengers a week ( just kiddin' )...
...can ride the combine, with the small packages.
( no red post-vans round this neck o' the woods ! )

I like that outside braced boxcar !

Just one critisism...



...those Hornby R.T.R cable-drum wagon-loads are a bit bright out of the box.

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Well, to break this tie---I vote for the old,larger depot. Also a lot of trash around it to show that no one in the area cares. It's the American way!!!

So there!

Also too much ''manicured'' grass. Yanks are not, for the most part, gardeners. WE GROW WEEDS-Some grow the singular crop, some the plural (US joke-points awarded for offshore understanding)

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OK, we have a verdict. A real, genuine $1 American gent has spoken !! Even owns a cigar chomping dog so he must be the Real Thing (oh no, that's Coke* - isn't it)

-- so all the other comments simply go up in smoke  ....... smoke ?........grass ? ....weed(s) ?

Do I get to claim the "offshorer's" bonus joke points ?

* Extra bonus points 'cos I believe you can smoke that as well.


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Hi Daniel,

I dug out this pic for you. The BNSF main line westbound to San Francisco & Los Angeles.

The fencing to the left is simply the rear of someone's property. See how to the right there are cars parked, then housing in the distance. Not a fence in sight & yet this is right in the centre of town  :



 

The rear banker (helper) probably came on at Barstow Yard for the push up around the 'famous' Tehachapi spiral; it will come off at Bakersfield. You can stand/photo right by the track, no-one gives a damn !. They don't even give you a warning toot.

But don't try bumming a cab ride, no matter how proficient you may be. Absolute obsession about security - one place I thought they were going to arrest me, just for asking !.

Regards,           Michael

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Hi Herb

Thanks for the info, would you mind up loading if you have any-some pictures of what I should be looking for.

I'm after a greener non-heavily wooded look rather than a dry yellow look.

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Cheers

Ha, na that a real of solder...:bg:

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Hi Michael

Wow, really they was tempted to get the police or cops should I say.

Thanks for the Pic, thou I don't know if the picture has been chopped but I can see any fencing to the left. Though if you doing modern image the blue porter loo would be a good line side feature... lol :P

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Hi Dan,

My request (to bunk a cab) was considered eneough of a "threat" to warrant  calling the cops, but they didn't.

Fence is missing 'cos I posted the next but one photo by mistake; same point though - no barrier 'tween railway & the public.

Photo below is of busy, fast main-line -- no separation from the highway :




No fence at all, another fast line, just a single arm level (grade) crossing :





Oh sorry - did you say Greenery ? ('pending on time of year, there isn't ANY English green west of about New Mexico &/or Colorado, other than golf clubs & front lawns).

Best greenery I can do is below, but still on dusty soil :



& :




To me this gives the real flavour of U.S. railroading - dusty "ballast", dusty "road" :





For greenery I think you need more towards the East Coast; Vermont, Maine, New Hamps. etc.

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Hi Michael

These pictures are great, good shooting-especially the second pic.

The last pic would make a very good modelling scene.

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Dan

Just as Brits (I would think) don't bother taking photos of the common, mundane, not particularly attractive things around the area, I don't know that I have ever taken a shot of trash and weeds. Fact of the matter is that I haven't taken any real train photos for a very long time--and the ones that I did take were slides that have been lost. I think that I should have used litter to better define ''trash'' and it would also depend on the era that you are modeling--in the twenties, for instance there was little disposable packaging, aside from tin cans--so they, both round and crushed flat would be in evidence, along with blown out auto tires and splintered pieces of wood. Perhaps useless bicycle inner tubes. Think of things of no value that people would just drop, or toss out a car window. Since WW2 throw away packaging has become a real problem. Aluminum soda and beer cans have replaced the tin ones. Beer bottles, paper soda cups, Snuff tins, and general paper trash are common. In the summer, I have to make a bi-weekly cleanup along the front of our property picking up these, and other less inviting items--un capped bottles that have been used for bladder relief, and even more yucky bits--used condoms. I leave the latter lay in the grass. This is in a reasonably nice residential area- so let your mind wander as to what would be discarded along railroad tracks in the time frame that you are modeling

In this area, weeds tend to be straight, vertical and dense plants, that more or less choke out other lower bushy plants by growing faster. Two to three feet seems to be the common height, although there can be some higher exceptions. Notice that we hardly ever see the metric varieties.

Wrong time of the year to take weed photos now, though. They have all turned tan, and are knocked down by wind and rain.

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Hoi There !!,

Who's calling my photos common, mundane & not particularly attractive ?

Now we know The Boss lives in more of a "CONDO" than a Country Casa !  Ha Ha !

Cheers,      Michael


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If Admin wants to make any further dispersions (??) about my photos you may get a LOT more of this :





 
(Communist "Liberation" HQ)

& This :




(Washing day)

& a lot less of this :






& this :







& this :







Ummm..... RAG - U.S.A. !!!   Ha Ha !!

The smokebox door was the original of the 'Madonna Bra' design.


The choice is yours !


Regards,   Salada            (we get to some pretty weird places on our travels, incl USA)

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But notice the lack of litter on the sidewalks and gutter. Not the USA----

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You're right Herb.

Even the commies have cleaned up any trash on the sidewalk.

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Hi Herb

cheers, thanks for the info though the latter you could have left out.. :P

Michael

Very resourceful pictures.

cheers Dan

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Michael- Were extended piston rods common on Polish steamers? I assume that's what the loco in yous photos was.


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Hi Herb,
They were also common on some Austrian/German designs (Golsdorf, and Krauss-Maffei are 2 that used them extensively) and I know also of some British locomotive manufacturers used them as well (Beyer-Peacock on a lot NSWGR locomotives as manufactured for Australia).

I think the idea was to carry part of the weight of the piston and to thus even out wear in the bottom of the cylinder.

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Hi all

Are you all ready for Christmas yet?:glad::dope:

Been a bit busy in the office (MAN CAVE!!!) working on my fiddle yard (UK) staging yard (US). Thought id get in there to mate (UK) Sir (US). Only joking and that's all your hear from me, don't want to a fend any one.

So here's a few pic's of what I have been up to....

First off, the track was laid on the traverser, was going to make it spin all the way round but thought if I do it so it pivots on one side then the curves to match up with the main line would be straighter allowing a fourth lane.

All done with copper clad strips from the 7mm Narrow gauge society (height + width matches peco narrow gauge track) and a pack of Peco code 100 rail only.

The stripes were glue with trusty old thick grade super glue. then the rails were soldered in place.



Then I glued in place smaller copper clad stripes for my EM gauge stuff which is less in width and height. These are the buzz bars. One (now painted red) stripe is soldered to one side of all the rails and the other (now painted black) strip is solder to opposite rails. As this is DCC all roads are live all the time with out any horrible link wires. Due to the strips being lower than the rail height no shorts can Accor, plus to aid this I also slipped in a small shim of plastic micro strip between the rail and the cooper clad (then super glued in place) to help bridge the gap if the rail was ever to be push down.

Also a small hole was drilled near as possible to the pivot point as this is were there is the least movement in the traverser. The traverser was then fixed back down on the base board and then holes were made into the base board through this pilot hole were the traverser will be at its maximum point and middle point. The traverser was then removed and the holes joined up the make a slot, this allows the wire to move in the slot as you move the traverser.





Two wires were run through the slot in the base board.



The traverser was then refitted and fixed down vie the screw and the wires was pushed up through the pilot hole and soldered to the buzz bars with the correct polarity.

It would have been neater to not have painted the buzz bars but I did for demonstration purposes.


The large piece of copper clad from the main line over laps the traverser slightly by 1mm, this keeps the traverser down and in place if it was ever to warp plus puts some friction on it to keep it in place. No locks required.



Hope this gives some ideas for you guys to save space and expense using points for staging. I know this is not a new thing but its simple and works, as long as every thing is true and in line its bullet proof.

Cheers Dan :2t:

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Hello Dan,

"..ready for Christmas yet...?". Just about, after what seems weeks of shopping trips, Internet searches etc. -- & that's just the wife !.

Traverser questions:

1)  It looks like you are registering the alignment by eye only - does that work OK ?

2) Is the pivot fixing just a simple nut+bolt, no fancy friction fixing ?

Season's Greetings etc.    Michael

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Hi Dan.

AWESOME work on the traverser !

Nice wiring-lesson...
...bus-bars make wiring SIMPLE.
(colour-coding sure helps as well)

Have you converted BN-145 to E.M !!??
or
Is it for some kinda forthcoming evil railcar experiment !!??

Cheers.

Si.

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Seasons Greetings !
Good luck with the Crimbo-kits !

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Hi Michael

Ha, my misses has been driving me made, more than the kids.

Q 1:

If the question is when laying the track is yes. I marked out 4 rows/boxes were the straight section needed to be to give me 4x rows to keep it all even. The straight length of track were lined up with the main track by simply joining the track together with a fish plate but fitted to the top of the track. Once both length were soldered in place the fish plate was then slid back on the main line track, the traverser moved round to the next section, the fish plates were moved back and another 2x length attached and so on until all four rows are finished and then the fish plates were removed.

If you mean lining up when running trains.... yes its very easy to do and haven't managed to derail yet.

Q 2:

The fixing is just a No.8 2inch shanked screw, the hole is a dead fit to prevent any slop. When in place a pen was fixed in one place with scrap wood the traverser was moved to mark out the curve which was then planned and sanded back carefully to give a precise curve, there are other ways which are properly better but that's how I did it. A nut and bolt is also just as good, just make sure the hole is a dead fit to the bolt and dead square.

Have a good Christmas

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Hi Si

Thank you

The EMD-145 is a Broadway limit with paragon 2 sound decoder which I picked up at a show a couple of months back for £75 seconds but un-used.. Bargain and it will be an evil critter type diesel.
Sound quality on these is brilliant.

Merry Christmas

Cheers dan

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Dan : Clever stuff !  Thanks for the explanation.

Just keep that diesel critter conversion safe from those thiefin' railroad cowboys who hang out up around the old MMMMM mine, especially that mean ole' Boss of theirs.

Regards,       Michael     

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Hi all

The first video of Rayley Creek, not brilliant, in fact pretty crap with no sound and the hand of God at one point. But it is just a simple vid to show you guys the engine pulling into the loop running round its track and back out again.

https://youtu.be/zIdu4HOt3n4

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" Just keep that diesel critter conversion safe from those thiefin' railroad cowboys who hang out up around the old MMMMM mine, especially that mean ole' Boss of theirs."

The M.M.M lawyers are gonna be diggin' gold outta THAT critters teeth by the time we're through with him !!

- - - - - - -

Hi Dan.

I'll give the uToob a blast, but M.M.M bandwidth aint that great...
...1930s dude !

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I thought Maradonna's final  kick-off  (RIP) was last year ?

Thanks for the video Dan.

Regards & all the best for 2016,        Michael

 

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Hi every one

Hope you all had a good Christmas and new year.

Things have come along nicely, due to being out voted with the station/passenger depot I re-introduced this but had to take out the hill side to make it fit better. In the end I took this hill side out and used it to build up the hill side on the right hand side of the railroad to hide the access to the fiddle yard.

In the end to hold mine was taken away and I reintroduced my old ware house which I'm in the middle of making it larger for some kind of factory. so have got more of a small run down town look.

The railroad is now near completion as fare as scenery just need to tidy the station area and log dump and finish a few things. then its improving and detailing.

I have had a bit of time after the Christmas period to do a bit of running with some new rolling stock from my parents (Bachmann passenger car and a kit built box car). Moving the mine after a few opps paid off as the run round loop had to many points in it and just maid it hard to position un couplers and stock when shunting. which the new coach I am pleased I re added the depot as I really like to look of it.

The greenery has also been built up a bit to give it that weedy un touched look but still needs a bit more work to the areas I have already started.













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AWESOME !

The depot, back in the mix, is def. the way to go.
Worked out nice, with the move.

Happy New Year !

Cheers.

Si.

P.S. Just 1 thing I'd like to see on the layout ...

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Wow, that looks great! Really like the scenery/grass/weeds/trees. The pine trees are especially nice, with plenty of branches and needles.

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Hi Dan : 

To my mind you have now improved even more on an already excellent model. The 'atmosphere' is really there now.
The 'New Mine' area greenery & altered fiddle yard approach is 100%.
Don't you agree the 'Old Depot' area looks more authentic ? .. & with the fencing area moved away ?.

Si: Mysterious as ever ... so what is your 'missing bit' ?

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Hi there

Thank you Charles, Si, Ray and Michael.

Michael: yep you was right, thanks for the good advice.

Si: what's this mysterious missing thing?

Cheers Dan

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Trying to get things finished on Saturday evening I made a start to finish off the Chillies café. I didn't want another corrugated or tar paper roof and had a pack of self adhesive roof tiles, so went with these.

Fist I laid the sheets out and gave them a quick uneven dusting of various different acrylic rattle can spray paint and left to dry.

Then I finished of the windows, canopy and then the out side stair case.

Next day I applied the roof by just simply peeling and sticking one row at a time, then trimmed back the overlap with a sharp knife.

Then with a bluish black pastel stick, I scraped the pastel stick with a stanely knife and let the powders fail on the building (this produces uneven sized pastel power) and then with an narrow 1inch wide brush drew the chalk powder downwards this formed streaks and wet between the battens forming shadows. Any darkened areas was done by stubbing in the brush and wiggling on the spot.

This is a very simple and quick method to produce good results.

Just needs to out side hut to be finished and signage then it complete. interior detail will be added at a later date.









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Looks great!

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That is some mighty fine modeling.

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Thank you Ray and Reg.

Cheers Dan

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A nice looking job Dan; I like your powdered pastel chalk idea - I can see some interesting possibilities in that technique.

Regards,         Michael

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TOP GUN !

The windows look great...
...love the way you've done some of them 1/2 open !
BREEZEY !

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Daniel:

Have you described somewhere how you build your window frames?

They really look great.

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in 1/4 scale for the fun of it i used coffee stur sticks for framing app 1/4 inch wide and kitchen matches for windows my wife liked it

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Had to make a U-turn back home last night as the traffic to the club was to heavy, so I went into the man-cave to do some finishing off on the Chillies café.

Just needs People and Items out side to create the much needed atmosphere which will be done at a later date.

Thank you all for your kind comments..

Reg:

Its a Banta Modelworks kit, the windows and every thing else are laser cut.

What I do is whilst the frames whilst still on the sheet I spray paint them with a rattle can.. For what ever reason as long as you don't flood what your spaying the spay doesn't fill the grains in the wood, then once built and glazed the building is dusted with dark chalk powders which goes into the cracks/wood grains to make them stand out even more.







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Nice. I like the color.

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Dan:

Oh. OK. I like those stick-together windows. I have only built one laser kit, and it had those kind of windows.

I have two more laser kits in my "will be built later" cabinet and I believe they have the stick on window frames. I will put your approach to good use. They sure look great.

The last time I built up windows I did it with strip styrene. They look pretty good (I will photograph and post), but it sure is tedious. The real rub is that I changed the track plan after getting that structure 90% complete and now I don't have a place for it.

In fact, it is the depot in the background of my avatar.

:)

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Your flowering growth has my attention.

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ICE CREAM THE HEALTH FOOD OF A NATION *

Hi Dan.

AWESOME cafe !

I'll have to drop by for a Chillery Dawg...
...& a pot shot or two at the Coca Cola sign !

Cheers.

Si.

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* If it was ever in any doubt that Cameron & Osbourne are total VAMPIRES...
...dunno if you've heard, they're thinking of taxing sugar !!
They just can't think of anything better to do ...

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did you use an 11mm double barrel fowling piece on the sign?

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Hay guys

Thank you.

Si: yeah I've heard there just a bunch of thieving B******ds, another way to pinch money out of us.
I don't quite get how this is going to help obesity with the amount of fast food shops in the UK.

Charles: Sorry I don't quite know what you mean?

cheers Dan

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my brother bought a set of english double barrels for a shot gun or bird gun they are 11 mm at the end so really small you can almost stick them in a 12 ga barrel

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Charles: Oh sorry, see what your saying ha. Yes they are gun shots just looked closely at it. Sorry guns a not a big thing or part of life in the UK like the US is, I didn't catch on.

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I figure the chef has got 1/4" steel-plate behind the wooden walls !

Perhaps the customers didn't like their breakfast !

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The Chief asked he's pals when they pop into town would they mind picking him up a sieve, that's what they came back with and thought it was funny.

:P

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Couple of up dates, making a start to a new building for the diamond crossing siding. Adds some height to the front and is not to big that it hides every thing behind it like the other building did from pretty much every angle.



Can you guess what the nail tool is.











The building has ply sheet for the roof base and is awaiting for wooden tile (forgot what you guys call them).

Cheers Dan

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that's ok i have been hanging with my brother too much i started to make a stock for the barrels but life got in the way it was more of a project than a use on birdies gun also is black power muzzle loader

your railroad is lookin good i have started a few but never got far lately been driving many miles picking up dogs and taking them across the US and back

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What do you make your own gun parts? totally different to the UK. You'll get bang up for holding a kids plastic gun. Have to be honest, I like the shouting rang and paint ball but its not my thing.

Picking up dogs? apart from the obvious what's that really about...

No modelling!!!, what you need to make some time and do a bit of posting ;) lol

Cheers Dan

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Hello Dan,

"Wooden tiles" = Shingles !

The black timber finish on that new building looks very good - how have you done it ?

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That's it shingles...

the black timber is actually dark olive. Done with a rattle can then as soon as it is touch dry, apply masking tape then rip it of like the girls do when doing their bikini line or hairy a!seho^e. LOL

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Thanks Dan,

I would never have guessed that was a rattle can.
AND you've got the nail heads this time !. Top job !.

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barrels and left and right hammer set ups for cap and ball or bird shot make the rest just need files and hack saw and vice plus your choice of wood for stock.
pick up dog in one place deliver to another airlines won't ship pit bulls or dogs over 50 pounds or people move and can't take the dog with them so we pick up and deliver sorry about being off topic.
really like your layout
building a 1/10 scale ? guards van in card board for practice

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I spoke to Dan a little while back.



Due to various building conversions with his house.

His garage had to be used for storage sadly.



The good news was though ...

... he actually sold the layout, whole, to a Guy living just down the road from him.



I think Dan has been pretty busy.

But he did tell me he had been tinkering with a new project.



:)



Si.

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What a bummer!

I just read through all 44 pages for the first time.
This is a beautiful layout.
Very creative and artistic.
I really like the use of HO locos for On30.
Really, really nice work.
I was severely bummed when I got to Si's update at the end.

- Tom


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Hi guys

Wow, on the sticky..

Thanks to all for still looking and your nice comments and thank you Si for keeping people updated.

I have now started a new project in the N scale section. nothing started yet just Ideas and a few structure kits built.

All the best Shoulders


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