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This is my HO Scale nail hole device. Made from a watch gear pinned thru a piece of rectangular plastic stock. Crude but somewhat effective!!!! You can see the results in my gallery pictures.

 

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Hey, great idea.:2t:

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Thank you sir. Crude but effective. ha!!!
Merry Christmas to you and yours Bernd.

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:moose::moose::old dude:

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thank you sir.

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one of the nicest sets of 3 nail hole makers was in Australia, found it accidently or somebody from there posted it on here a few years ago.......best part was that it had 3 different spacings which would be very useful when doing assorted widths of clapboard sheeting.

Its not just the nail hole, its also the spacing visually that's important. Yes that's a little nitpicky, but it does make a visual difference.

Vintage reproductions in Colorado used to supply a set of 2 which is what I have. One tight and one wider.

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To nail hole or not to nail hole....
that is the ultimate question.

I have built with and without. Both are fine to me.

I figured with this gear I got about as close as I could get.

I ordered several gears in a pack on ebay and tried them until I found this one.

Johnny

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Nail holes, IMHO, are not worth modelling. You can hardly see them in real life, but rusting nails leave visible rust streaks. If a wood building has a half-a**ed paint job nails will be buried. Add more paint coats and then you have to start LOOKING for them in real life. I consider more prototypical to have a few light ( a nail has only so much iron) rust streaks. Jose.

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Tend to agree with you Jose.

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nail head impressions are very visible in O scale, not so visible in HO. I would imagine S gauge would also be very visible, never built in that scale.

I would not dream of modeling a clapboard or board and batten wood wall without applying nail head impressions.

The art of it all is to weather the walls and the weathering should bring out the nail head impressions.

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Considering that an average size for a nail head is one quarter inch in diameter, and an inch is just over .020" in 1/48, we are talking .005" holes here.

Not exactly very visible in O scale.

Measure the distance that a scale structure is likely to be viewed at, in scale feet.

Now find an old building where the nails are plainly visible up close, and back away that many real feet, and tell me what you see.

Oh--you are talking about nail holes, not nail heads?

Fair enough--but if the building has row after row of nail holes (which in reality would be close to the head size anyway), what's holding the siding on?

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Uh...glue?

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I was just wondering (or wandering) WHAT IF instead of nail holes, nail heads could be represented with an Ultra Fine BEROL or PILOT brown marker...! That way, it would possibly look like a nail head and not a hole. Just a thought from the Gila Rim on a rainy Friday.

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How about nail head decals??!?!??
Like rivets......
There ya go.....someone run with that idea!!!

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OK, using your computer, run off a page of evenly spaced brown (the right color of nail heads) dots. Get ahold of some clear decal paper and BAM! There you are. How bout' that?

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Super!!!
Now......let me get back to making nail holes er..uhh...nail heads....!!!
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Actually the last time this conversation came up on freerails or some other yahoo group site, I went to the older parts of town and found examples of nail head impressions in wood clapboard sidings. Mostly on garages. I took pictures at that time and also measured distances from the wall.

Even at 20 feet you could clearly make out what they were and the nails staining the paint, usually white.

Now of coarse I do not see distance as well as when I did 12 years ago.

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Well on the few Lost Creek RR buildings that I have built I use a 0.5 black marker and just guess at the nail hole spacing as I go across the wall or whatever. I also have a rust coloured one just to make a difference. A bit like the guy who would have banged the nails in in the first place. Random and effective. I know they are there and some folks spot them when viewing the RR.
Nuff for me.
Rod.

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"Even at 20 feet you could clearly make out what they were"

Exactly, Mike.

And 20 feet in 1/48 is 5"--and in H0 it's 2 3/4"

Do you consider those to be normal viewing distances?

I would guess that most people viewing a layout wouldn't get closer than a foot. And at that distance, other things are going to catch their eye--too wide window mutins (or, as in a recent discussion, too thick shingles).

If your modeling interest is in building scale model buildings, Chuck Doan style. then fine--do cracks in the paint, keyholes, bird dropping--the lot.

If you want to build a model railroad, you have to compromise--life is too short to spend time on things that can't be seen or noticed.

My opinion.

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Guys (and Gals),
These discussions are great. I really like to hear other modelers opinions and what they do for details such as these.

The bird-droppings comment made me laugh.

I made some birds (believe it or not) per a recent article I saw in a Model Railroader magazine.
They came out fairly well. (I will let you guys be the judge.)

I think that will be a new topic soon.

Johnny

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More important than the nail holes is the whole effect. One extra-super-detailed item will automatically downgrade the rest IMHO. But I have been wrong before (just ask my wife). Jose.

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Jose, you are right. Building superdetailed stuff is great and I admire such work but rarely do these artists build operating railroads. One of the old Model Railroader authors held to the "good enough" principle and his layout was/is one of the best ever.

Woodie

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Slotted #10 brass countersunks...

...are not nails...

...but a very different kettle of fish.

Si.

(omit rust stains)

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If you go to the next section below this one..."scratch building and kit bashing".

I have brought forward 2 old builds of mine to show my technique for how I think nail head impressions should look on a model building.

builds are Q C TWEEDLE and WALKER EVANS CHURCH

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Hi all,
Given that this thread was originally about HO nails in walls, for comparison purposes, may I offer 2 photos I got of one of the O scale structures on Rod's Lost Creek layout, when I visited his layout as part of the Layout Tours at the Australian Narrow Gauge Convention at Easter this year

First the view was taken from the aisle of one of his mine structures that was probably about 3' away from where I was standing


(Checking the digital data panel for this photo told me that this photo was equivalent to using a 25mm lens on a 35mm film camera - It probably used very little if any of the zoom capability of my camera)

and a much tighter zoom looking at the office on the landing above the loading gates

(This photo was equivalent to using a 200mm lens on a 35mm camera. My camera was probably showing about 8X zoom in the view panel when I took the photo - any much higher zoom ratios than that and I get blurry hand-held photos)

I hope that this helps compare approaches on O scale structures.

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That is a magnificent structure and great photography John.

Thanks.

Johnny

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Hi Johnny.
Please don't thank me too much, Lost Creek Rod made the model and added the details, and opened up his layout for visitors. I had the camera set for "mug mode" (full automatic)- I only moved the zoom in and out.

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could you see with the naked eye as they say, the nail head impressions in the model from 3 feet in O scale ???

mike:old dude:

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Hi Johnny :wave:

HOws things going ?
Haven't heard from you for a while.
You been busy ?

:moose:

Si.

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Hello Si.
Yes I have been very busy lately.
I am moving and am also changing scales.
Going from HO to G scale with a garden railroad.
Started small but am already planning to expand.
Hope all is well with you and all other forum members.

Johnny


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