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 Posted: Sat Sep 22nd, 2012 06:30 pm
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I recently acquired the book "Narrow Gauge To Jerome: The United Verde & Pacific Railway" and it has inspired me to build a model of UV&P #8.
http://www.pacificng.com/forum/download/file.php?id=604&mode=view

Although the prototype was a 3' gauge locomotive I would like to model the engine in On30 gauge, seeing as that is my gauge of choice. Other than the gauge I would like to model as closely to the prototype as possible. I don't have a lot of information on the prototype, however, and I would like to get some more info on the engine. I know that she had 43" diameter drivers and the drive wheel based was 8'. But that's about it. I don't know her boiler diameter, overall length, ect...

Now I have acquired an issue of the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette featuring draws of UV&P #5 to aid in the build/design process. How similar are these locomotives to each other? I would appreciate any and all help. Thanks again!



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 Posted: Sat Sep 22nd, 2012 10:51 pm
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Can't help with the similarity, but that is a handsome loco.

Line must have had a bunch of steep grades to have two sand domes on it.



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You might do an internet search for plans, etc. There were many locos that only ever had one photo taken and outside of the "Baldwin erection drawings", there may not be any plans. Good luck with this.

Yes, Herb...there were steep grades around Jerome. I love the place and will get there again some day. There were 3 different narrow gauges plus standard gauge up there. The old town of Jerome is built on the side of a mountain and has Arizona's oldest saloon..I know that for a fact.
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There were other Narrow Gauge roads in Jerome? I thought the UV&P was the only one! Do you have info on them? They may answer a "mystery" I've been wrestling with.



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 Posted: Sun Sep 23rd, 2012 02:51 am
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Herb Kephart wrote:
Can't help with the similarity, but that is a handsome loco.

Line must have had a bunch of steep grades to have two sand domes on it.



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Yeah, about 13 miles (roughly half the line) had a 3% grade! And also had 186 curves packed into also! So I think that explains the two large sand domes.:)



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 Posted: Sun Sep 23rd, 2012 03:28 pm
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You might do some more research, here's a link to Myrick's RR's of AZ vol 6: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=myrick&sts=t&tn=railroads+of+arizona-vol+6

Some of the NG lines were outright private roads and are mentioned in this book. Last time I was there, on the road to the mining museum, there is an old road crossing with 3 different gauges showing! In the Myrick book, there are photos of UV&P #5 which looks much the same as #8 except that the bell on #5 is atop the front sand dome, #8 it is on the rear sand dome. And #5 has a 3 panel wooden cab whereas #8 has a steel cab. Otherwise they look quite similar.

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 Posted: Mon Sep 24th, 2012 02:43 pm
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The reason why I asked about the other roads is, if there was another 3ft gauge one interchanging with the UV&P, that might explain this loco.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6797308837_55c1b22a4c_b.jpg

All the UV&P locomotives were of the 2-6-0 type. the first two had a sngle steam dome and signle sand dome. They also had extended smokeboxes, capped stacks, ect... The later locomotives were patterned more so like #s 5 and 8. the locomotive shown in the link clearly seems to be one with a diamond stack and short smoke box. I've been rattling my brain trying to identify it because it doesn't match or coincide with the UV&P locomotive roster or its records of modifications. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem likely. Also the smoke obscuring most of the locomotive doesn't help with identifying it either.



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Just look at the book in the link I posted, the description of the book has the names of "the four railroads that served Jerome". Maybe you can get started from just looking at that book description.

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Well today I received a nice surprise, the May/June 1987 issue of the Gazette arrived! :glad:
This issue contains drawings for UV&P #5, which is quite similar to #8, the locomotive I wish to model.

The first thing at seeing the loco to scale, 1/4" scale, was how large this compact locomotive actually was! The drivers are spaced close together and only measure an even 8'. Though from lead wheel to rear driver the locomotive has a total wheel base of 16'4". The boiler seems to be just a hair under 5' in diameter. The locomotive also stands at a little over 12.5' tall from rail head to the smoke stack. However the locomotive itself, not including the tender, measures 32' in length! I even compared it to a drawing of ET&WNC #11, in the same scale, and proportionally the UV&P loco is just a little smaller, perhaps by a third or even a quarter.

I certainly picked one unique bugger of a locomotive to model! :moose:
Anyway, I've been mauling the building process in my head. Unfortunately I don't have a means to completely build a frame from scratch, so I've thought about using an HO mechanism as the base. Does anyone know of an HO gauge locomotive with six coupled drivers that is similar to the 8ft drive wheel base? And ideally with drivers that match 43" diameter in O scale?



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 Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2012 04:35 pm
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Have a look at
http://www.hollywoodfoundry.com/shopdisplaycategories.asp

I'm sure if you contacted them they could build a chassic and drive system for you. You may have to supply you own wheels.
They are primarily deisel loco chassics but this could say you some major issues, perhaps another source could be British out line 0-6-0s always a good starting point just getting a close wheel base and diameter is the think.
I will certainly follow your build process on this one.

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