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 Posted: Tue Sep 4th, 2012 02:30 pm
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I also like the fact that you've resisted the urge to over-weather the loco:
A powerful, modern beauty like this would be the pride of both the company, and the engineer.

If you look at the people watching the Uintah mallet in the video, they were in awe of the 2-6-6-2s, and rightfully so.
They were modern engineering marvels, hauling loads that previously required double, or triple heading.
Nothing else like them was ever built for other narrow gauges in the US.
Now the Mogollon Railway has something similar to help haul its loads.

On a completely random and irrelevant tangent-
you could use the front porch of the loco to parade the bodies of those who have committed crimes against the Mogollon,
i.e. sabotage, attempting to get a free ride etc...kind of like Lord Humungus in Mad Max:

Here

I'll drink more coffee and if I come up with something better, or more random, will be sure to post...




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 Posted: Tue Sep 4th, 2012 03:01 pm
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Duane, tis a great idea you have there.

After the brouhaha I weathered when I posted the "decomposing nazi" photo on another website
("too gruesome, not good for a model train layout" and some other sweetness & light comments),
I may not add dead dudes to the front porch!

However, after looking at that fine old Uintah video, I decided to bust off the big headlight and glue it to the porch.
As the alien in "Men in Black" said- "Is that better?"





Also seen is the Mogollon Railway's female fireman, er..firewoman, firelady, chick with a shovel...And the cab roof is now red.
I happen to love red cab roofs.

Still to come-the funky air pump will be replaced with a nice PSC job, some lettering & numbers,
bell & whizzle ropes, some stuff on the running boards, and very little dirt, no rust. 
As you said, we are proud of this new loco, it will look nice.

One note for you heavy grade owners, the loco as it comes stock, does NOT like heavy grades!
I fixed that problem but #7 is still out pulled by Garratt #4, matter of fact, #4 can pull this loco dead up a 10% grade!
Go figure.




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 Posted: Tue Sep 4th, 2012 03:57 pm
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Wow-never thought I would see the day that the Mogollon railway would be politically correct:
First, a female fire-person, then giving in to pressure avoiding insensitive treatment of criminals.

With the traction issue for #7, is it a weight distribution issue?
Is there a way to get more weight over the drivers?

iirc the folks who bought the former Uintah Mallets in Central America were not happy with them as they were too slippery.
Not surprising as the Sumpter Valley removed the saddle tanks and replaced them with a tender.




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 Posted: Tue Sep 4th, 2012 08:13 pm
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Duane-the loco as it comes has no room for more weight.
She has a diecast boiler which has just enough room for the motor, flywheel, and gear towers.
If this was a tank loco (are ya listening Backwoods Models ???) then the side tanks could add traction.

The SV didn't want the tanks because the locos were too heavy for their rail so the tanks were removed,
later the SV put iron plates under the running boards to help traction.
Besides, the SV was "long haul" and needed a large fuel supply from a tender.
And then the Guatamala line that finally got them found that they couldn't handle the grades on that railroad.
If the SV had been left out of the loop, the big girls might still be hauling fruit in Central America!

Now, what could I have done to make the new loco "walk" up a 10% grade with loaded ore cars?
Install traction tires?
Nope..but I "painted" Pliobond contact cement on EACH driver tire and allowed it to dry 2 days...
now she don't miss a beat!
Of course, if I needed the drivers for pickup from the rails, I'd be lost but wireless allows one to do most anything.

That female firechick has been on the line a long time, once she was the Garratt's engineer.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2012 01:30 pm
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Sooo, are you asserting, Senor Greene, that the Garrett was a superior design to the mallet?






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 Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2012 02:46 pm
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Duane- NO, I will not jump into this fray...except that (in model form), the twin motor Garratt will outpull the articulated.

The Garratt design would have worked in the US, but the US manufacturers (Baldwin, Alco, etc),
seemed to pressure any railroad which expressed an interest in the "furrin" locos.
From what I understand, the Garratts were more economical (green?) in fuel useage,
and were able to curve easier but mechanically they were more of a headache.

The US railroads seemed to dislike anything foreign, look at how the D&RGW berated the double Fairlie "Mountaineer",
it was a failure on that road- but it did do the job.

Imagine that the Glover Machine Works in Marietta, GA built a copy of a Garratt (no license agreement),
it might have been acceptable and did find a place on the Mogollon Railway.

So, which one is "superior"? It lies in the opinions of those who sit and discuss such things (nitpickers).
All I know is that YES, my Garratt can and will outpull my Baldwin 2-4-4-2 and that is a fact...Jack!

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You should run for some sort of office, the way you dodged that question...






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 Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2012 04:25 pm
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Duane- I am already the "mayor" of Mogollon and "president" of times past!
Politically correct-ism? What??

Now, this may be the last piece in this thread, I am "done" (don't you just love " " ?)





Here's #7 out on the line, at work.
There is no rust on her but she needed some dirt somewhere.

The headlight has changed again.
I found this nice PSC light at the LHS where they probably ordered it for someone and after 6 months forgot who ordered it!
My gain.





A view from the tender end shows the really radical changes and the wooden frame shows up very well.
#7 is hauling a couple of ore cars to the Caldwell Escarpment and the Lost Scotchman mine.
The end of a "10 foot pole" is shown attached to the tender.

Just a very few modifications were needed along the line,
some rocks and cliff sides needed to be "blasted" away to clear the loco when she curves around.

In all, I am very pleased with this new loco and she has that Mogollon look that I wanted.

Hasta la Vista...




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Hey Woodie,

That's one heck of a grade in the second photo.
Got another shot of it at another angle?
And is that stick between the tracks a break?
Just wondering.

BTW, I do like the look of the engine very much.
I may have to do one in HOn3 someday (very far future).
The light on front looks super.
Nice job over all.

Bernd


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 Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2012 05:53 pm
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The grade in the foreground is an incline to some mines down in the canyon.
The stick is indeed a "brake" to hold cars until they are lowered.
I wanted to make working brake systems on all the ore cars but just don't have the time...or inclination!
In the Mogollon Railway thread and Switching the Mines (operations forum) there are many photos of this.

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