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 Posted: Tue Jun 26th, 2012 02:28 pm
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elminero67 wrote: Thanks-this thread has me wondering if I need to extend the Torres & prietas further into the Sierra Madre...
Do it Duane!


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 Posted: Tue Jun 26th, 2012 02:52 pm
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The beauty of a waterside connection is that a narrow gauge layout doesn't need a standard gauge connection. Like Titus, this thread has got me to thinking of a waterside link for the GLR.



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 Posted: Wed Jun 27th, 2012 01:43 am
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This just became Guaymas....


I think you have nailed the vegetation of Guaymas!



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 Posted: Wed Jun 27th, 2012 01:55 am
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Dwayne-put in a nice swimming pool near the main and you will have a waterside connection. Then we can all come by and go swimmin' and run some trains

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 Posted: Thu Jun 28th, 2012 05:08 am
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Guaymas got some more track installed this evening.

Duane -- What kind of bridges would have been in Guaymas around that time period?

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 Posted: Thu Jun 28th, 2012 01:32 pm
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Titus-I have a couple of period pics of Guaymas buried in my stuff, will try to dig them up. The long bridge accross the bay was typical trestle on pilings. I dont know much about the RR tracks in Guaymas itself or exactly where the SP's wharf was. may have to dig a little deeper...



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Cool track layout Titus.

I like the crossing to the pier/jetty.
( well I think pier/jetty, it's not there yet ! )

Looks fun.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2012 03:51 am
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Thanks, and yes that will be wharf/pier at some future point. I thought the crossing was neat but my Blackstone C-19 has trouble going over it without stalling (the K-27 does fine though).

The track plan itself is a modification of Iain Rice's "Roque Bluffs", originally designed for Proto:87. Rice's original was 12 ft long with a 3-4 ft staging area. He also included a smaller sketch of an "extended" version that was 15 ft. long. I took the extended 15 ft area and compressed it down to about 10-11 ft which has the spurs and such come out about right for narrow gauge.

Instead of the 4 ft staging area I have a single track removable cassette that will duck behind the backdrop (not built for the left most section yet). I also added n extra run-around track for some more operational interest. I've always admired Rice's track plans so it's fun to finally be building one, even if I made a few modifications of my own to it.

Model Railroader actually released the first article, which includes the original track plan, as a free "bonus" to entice people to subscribe. It can be viewed here: http://mrr.trains.com/~/media/Files/PDF/Layout%20planning/2011/MRP%20bonuses/Roque%20Bluffs_Oct03.ashx

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 Posted: Sat Jun 30th, 2012 06:09 pm
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I agree, the trackwork looks great, alot of good switching possibilities.

It appears that the good stuff I have on Guaymas and Sonora are buried in the attic...when I was putting the Sonora Narrow Gauge book together I had started doing research on all of the proposed railroads in Sonora and was going to include a chapter on them. I also considered expanding the book to cover all of the railroads in Sonora, similar to the late David Myricks "Railroads of Arizona" or Railroads of Nevada" series.In the end the project was just overwhelming; I was working full time and commuting 200 miles each way to grad school. The Sonora book was intended as the first in a series, but in the end, book sales have not covered the expenses of putting it all together, so there is not likely to be a "Narrow Gauge of Chihuahua" book in the near future, even though there is even better narrow gauge action in Chihuahua.

One of the questions people might ask is why the port of Guaymas is the site of so many schemes. As mentioned, the Gulf of California is the closest Ocean port for locations south and west of Kansas City, including Colorado, Az etc.. But while it appears to be a great destination on maps, it does have limitations: Namely the pesky Sierra Madre mountains and the fact that there are very few good ports in the Gulf of California. Most of the bays and inlets north of Guaymas are sandy and shallow, coupled with the large tides in the Gulf, made them impractical for large ships. While all of the proposed railroads mentioned Guaymas as their destination, there really isnt that much room for railroad yards and shops in Guaymas itself-the Sonora Railroad ended up putting all of the facilities/yards and shops a few miles south of Guaymas at Empalme. Over the course of time Empalme became legandary to railfans as the shops had such a wide variety of equipment and were known for keeping obsolete and rare equipment running long after other railroads had moved onto newer equipment, such as the former D & H PA-1 locos.

Heres a vintage view of Empalme looking accross the bay to Guaymas. As you can see, not much in the way of plants or greenery!



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 Posted: Sat Jun 30th, 2012 06:22 pm
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I have better maps somewhere, but this circa 1890 map gives and idea of the geography of the area:



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