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 Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 04:32 pm
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Oh I shall indeed! :moose:
Though, as previously stated, that probably won't happen until sometime in October. *sighs* :f:



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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 05:21 pm
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Woo Hoo!!! UPDATES!!!!! :glad:

Finally! I haz updates for you!
Well this past weekend was an absolute BLAST! I had the privileged to help a friend of mine vend at the 3rd annual Myrtle Beach Model Train Show. And as mentioned I FINALLY received my Grandt Line 18 Ton Saddle Tank Porter kit!

It's one of the older kits from the early 80's and has self quartering drivers. however upon inspecting the drive wheels I did come across an issue. For one of the rear drivers the crankpin has broken off and I don't think I can repair it without having issues with the drive train. Somewhat of a big set back. I've been reading the instructions and looking at the various parts to see exactly what I'll need to do to build an On20 porter from it. I've contacted Grandt Line in regards to getting replacement drivers a few weeks ago, but I was informed that only the lead drivers are in stock and no rear drivers. I emailed them earlier today to see if the stocking status has changed. And if it hasn't then I asked if I could have a special order made. I'm still waiting for their reply.

Also, as I've looked though the kit, its parts and drawings and comparing them to those of the 20" gauge outside frame porters; I may end up using less parts from the kit than originally anticipated. The end beams will have to be modified in both height and width, frame modifications. (Well maybe, I'm debating on whether to keep the scale 5' wheel base or shorten it to 4'6") A new cab is to be built, new, smaller boiler (36" diameter) saddle tank modifications, and a whole slue of other things. I'm also still trying to locate a suitable motor and gear set for the bash.

The axles and driver rims need so good cleaning as they are tarnished and possibly have some slight rust that needs removal. This is going to be a more in depth bash that originally anticipated, but I like a good challenge.

Also I'm wondering about other frame modifications. Whether I'll need to widen it or not to compensate for 20" gauge. I'm hoping I can assemble the frame as intended for 3' gauge and that the re-gauged drivers and axles with still fit with an unmodified frame.

Also upon closer inspection of the frame some of the main frame pieces have a slight warp to them. I hope that won't be an issue.



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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 07:04 pm
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From what I understand, this is a "used" kit and came without motor/gearbox-right? Grandt made the kits long ago and the parts are probably hard to find now. The driver may be out of the question since the dies may not be available and just for one set of driver centers...well, you know. Since you want to build an outside frame loco, how about contacting BACHMANN about possibly buying OF drivers that go to their On30 Forney or maybe the OF 4-4-0. Just a thought. Motor & gears? I might get a Grandt 2:1 crossbox coupled to a gearhead motor like MICRO LOCO MOTION has. That would be similar to the original parts. You want to shorten the frame? Man, you are a glutton for punishment and may regret messing with the frame for a mere 6" (1/8"). But it's your project. Good luck and keep us posted.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 07:10 pm
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AJ, fellers..

I talked to David Hoffman...he of Missouri..he has a million old MDC parts..He is trading as some company..{ anybody ..?..he does HOn3' and 30" stuff..}..



These  probably include some driver sets for their { MDC }...HO n 3'..outside frame lokey..a mikado...type..apparently these driver sets are very adequate for 0n20"....under a Porter they may be quite nice..and negate the need to use the grandt line drivers issued with the kit..



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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 08:39 pm
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Charley wrote:
AJ, fellers..

I talked to David Hoffman...he of Missouri..he has a million old MDC parts..He is trading as some company..{ anybody ..?..he does HOn3' and 30" stuff..}..



TheseĀ  probably include some driver sets for their { MDC }...HO n 3'..outside frame lokey..a mikado...type..apparently these driver sets are very adequate for 0n20"....under a Porter they may be quite nice..and negate the need to use the grandt line drivers issued with the kit..


Although this doesn't exactly pertain to my current project, I'm ALWAYS looking for old MDC Parts!! HO and HOn3! I wouldn't mind getting in contact with this fellow to see what he has available. :moose:



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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 09:27 pm
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AJ, fellers

He said.."over a million parts..." like 1 . 3 millions..bought from Athern...anybody know how to get aholt of 'em..?..



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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 09:35 pm
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AJ , fellers..

OKOKOKOKO..googledem...he is only snail mail enabled..

David M. Hoffman
8682 U.S. Hwy 61 North
Woodville, MS 39669-3502

Doin bidness as "Bald one locomotive works"





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 Posted: Fri Oct 19th, 2012 04:08 pm
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Charley, he needs larger wheels than the MDC ones and also, they need to not have counterweights but just spokes or maybe plain dished wheels would work also. Maybe you know Mr. Hoffman but a couple of HOn30 guys I know have written him several letters asking about his castings...and he hasn't answered any of them!
SAY-LA-VEE...or some such..

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 Posted: Fri Oct 19th, 2012 08:40 pm
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Woodrow , fellers..

I had slipped into my help everybody cape and mask..having promised self I would stop doing that..

I don't know David Hoffman from Adam..{ Hoffman..?}...but did meet and talk to him last week..

So I guess..everybody takes their chances..and throws the dices..{ di..}..

Sawr a neat Railway bridge today..this one in Cotter Arkansas...




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 Posted: Sat Nov 10th, 2012 04:57 pm
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Well it certainly has been a while, once again. Sorry about that. Due to some sudden, unexcpected circumstances I am preparing to move to Georgia on the 18th of Nov. It's all good though! :bg:

Anyher... I've finally had the time to brake out the ole' camera and snap a few photos of the Grandt kit I recently recieved. It should do well for being starting point for my On20 bash. As I recall stating in my last post I had come across a few issues that may complicat this project. One ov the main issues being a broken crank on one of the rear drive wheels. The other issue being slightly bent frames.







Sorry for the fuzzyness, but I think you can see the bend in this frame piece. The other frame piece also has a slight bend to it, but it's barely noticeable. Whereas this piece is much more evident. The next few photos show the basic frame assembly as per the insructions, loose fitted together.


This one shows the obvious skew the frame has from the bend frame pieces.


This photo is taken from the rear looking forward. The front pilot beam is resting at level and this also shows the skewing.

Once I add the boiler and new body shell the skewing may be rectified, however I'm worried that the bent frames may still cause binding with the drive train. :us: Anyone know how to possibly flatten/straiten the frames without damaging them? L:

Moving on, my On20 porter is to be a blend between Arizona Copper Co. locos 9 and 10 along with Detroit Copper Co.'s outside frame porters. (The numbers of the engines elludes me at present) As such I will be using a smaller boiler than the one supplied with the kit. Here's a photo of the supplied boiler with some alternative "boilers" I was able to acquire.


Again, sorry for the fuzzyness. The supplied boiler with the kit is at the fare left. The middle and right tubes are from coupon and recipt rolls from the printers at the store I presently work at.


Here are the "Alternative" boilers I have. Both would serve my purposes well, but each have their pros and cons. The black one is slightly smaller and measuring an almost exact scale 36" in diameter. It's also longer than the white tube. However its surface is not smooth and the internal support strcture would make it difficult to fit anything inside of it, not to mention a motor. It would require a styrene sheet wrapper to pretty it up a bit. As for the white tube it is closer to 37" to 38" scale inches in diameter and it has a smooth surface, which will make it easier to work with as a boiler. Also the inside is much more accomodating for a motor or whatever else I could fit in it. Whether it be wiring or other electronics. The trade off is that it's short. So I would most liekly have to splice two of them together to make a half decent boiler. In either case I will use PSC brass smoke box fronts and number plates.

Well that's about it for this update and it might be a while till I can post another one, due to the move. But at lease you guys get to actually see some "progress"! As little as it may be. :moose:



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