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 Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2011 05:23 pm
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Hey all! Gunslinger here again! Adn since I really don't have anything new for my other thread, yet, I'd figure I'd share another project with ya'll! ;)

I am a modeler who has interest in many different scales and guages. Most recently I've discovered On20 and have found it rather enthralling. Persoanlly my prefered scale/gauge of modeling is On30. I was originally going to build a 6-10 On20 layout that has some Disney influence and would focus on Arizona Copper Mining and the primary industry. As much as I'd like to have a full sized On20 layout it's just not in the cards for the time being. So I figured I'd settle for a small 20" gauge tramway to carry the ore from some of the mine to the "Bigger" 30" gauge trains.

However, since my roommate and I have settled on HOn3 for the main layout I needed to shrink my O scaled ambition from 6x10' to 2x8' and make a shelf layout instead. Not that that's a bad thing mind you! The track plan is almost complete and when I can gain access to a scanner I'll be more than happy to post it, but for now all I have are some locomotive concepts I wish to build.

The first loco of interest I have to give credit to the Gila Tramway for its tiny and diminuative Shay locomotives. My rendition however will be a little bit different. I've been "Mentally" building this concept in my head for a while now and I think I know how to achive the end result, which I hope (and pray) will turn out lik this!




Like the Gila Tramway's Shays they will start off as MDC HOn3 shay kits. Then to get the Wagon Top boiler design which I have an affinity for I looked at the Wiseman Model Service's Sn3/Sn42 Shay conversion Kits. They have one with a Wagon Top boiler and I think it would be perfect, proportionally speaking. That's a little trick I learned a while back. Just becuase one model's a specific scale does not mean you can't use parts from another! :moose: As much as I like this Wagon Top Shay I do like "T" Boiler Shays as well and I might build one eventually, however that's still in the air right now.

The primary form of motive power will be of more traditional steam locomotives. Specifically Porters. Most will be of the rather diminuative "Kornut" Porters originally built for 18" gauge, but I think a 20" gauge will fair better. I still don't know exactly how I will build these little steamers, but the end result should look like this... minus Lee Van Cleef though. :P




Not to scale, but it's the look I'm aiming for. I'd like to have 3 or 4 of these little engines to have as the primary part of my On20 loco fleet, but there are two larger porters I'd like to build as well. One of them will be my version of the Coranado Porter.




I figure I can use and abuse a Bachmann On30 Porter and kitbash it into something like what is illustraited above. Now ther is one other Porter I wish to build. It is of freelance design and is an outside frame 0-4-0. It would look similar to ACC #8, but a tad larger and with horizonatal pistons rather than canted ones. The bash was inspired by one I saw on the On20 Yahoo Group that used a Grandt Line 18 Ton Saddle Tank Porter kit. The wheels will be pushed together to 20" gauge so they fit behind the "stock" frame of the model. The cranks will be added so that the main rod and side rods can be applied. I do have a finished drawing of the concept, but alas... the lack of a scanner prevents me from posting it. But I will post it soon. A friend of mine had a scanner and I hope I can use it sometime before next week.

As for the layout itself, it is a humble 2x8ft and also offers a bit of Duel Gauge! :) The layout is an On20/On30 one, with an On30 main line passing right through the middle. One end has a stone 2-Stall engine house, an ash pit, turntable, and other required engine facilities. There are 2 mines that are served by the 20" gauge line which pick up ore and transfer them to the main ore bin which is located next to the On30 R-O-W. The second mine has a small ore bin from which the On20 line serves. In order to get to this mine there are two switch backs I used to gain elevation. It should prove interesting to operate, for I haven't done anything with switch backs before.

Well I hope that I've peaked your interest! I'll post more soon.... hopefully. ^^

Oh! And remember this! "Silence is golden, but :dt: is silver!" :moose:



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 Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 01:47 am
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Heh...what's not to love with 20 inch gauge? And switchbacks? Nothing better! I look forward to watching your progress.

I actually took a Bachmann 0-4-0 Porter, regauged the wheels to 20", and ground the frame down to accept the narrowed wheelsets. I haven't figured out how to modify the drivetrain, but it rolls just fine. It can be done!

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 Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 04:07 pm
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MinerFortyNiner wrote: Heh...what's not to love with 20 inch gauge? And switchbacks? Nothing better! I look forward to watching your progress.

I actually took a Bachmann 0-4-0 Porter, regauged the wheels to 20", and ground the frame down to accept the narrowed wheelsets. I haven't figured out how to modify the drivetrain, but it rolls just fine. It can be done!


I've seen a few bashes that used the Bachmann Porter. Though recently I have considered using the Grandt Line Kit, mostly because it has far greater detail than the Bachmann model! And I'm ALL about details!!! :moose:

Oh! And I'm sorry, I accidentally deleted the Kornut Porter concept drawing by mistake. So here it is for those interested.




Also, colored versions of my concept drawings are under way. I'll post them when I'm able.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 10:28 pm
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Why have so many wheels???




Just think of the minimum radius!!


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You can't see much of her, but here's a view of the old Mogollon Railway's Porter.



She was built from a Bachmann On30 Porter for the On20 line. The little rascal ran quite well and fit right in with the Shays. This photo was taken about 12 years ago.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 16th, 2011 05:44 pm
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Wow! I actually have a sizable update for you all! :glad:

Not only do I have a track plan... ALMOST finished, but finished enough to post!:)




So this friends is my Ocalla Tramway, some fictional mine tram somewhere in southwestern Arizona. It features an On30 main line passing strait through, but served by the On20 tramway. Also, here are some colored versions of some of the loco concept mentioned in a previous post.




These small Porters will be the primary motive power for the Ocalla Tramway, but there are some larger locos, such as the concpet for the 0-4-0 outside frame Porter I had mentioned based on the Grandt Line kit.




I still have yet to actually draw my version of the "Coranado" Porter, but here is a drawing I stubled across a while back of it.




My version will be of the 0-4-0 configuration and with a headlight. ;)

Also, I'm fiddling around with what kind of buildings and strctures to have on the layout so I've been working on some simple concept sketches.




So that's about it for this post. I hope that I've peaked you interest thus far! :moose:



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So what gives bro? You gonna build these things or what man? Love the concepts, let's put some styrene to knife or brass to saw eh?



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Any more updates on you layout? Looks like it will be a fun build.



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 Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2012 03:03 pm
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Wow... it's been quite a while since I last logged on here, especially this thread. Talk about a build up of dust and cobwebs. :old dude:

Anyway, again, sorry it's been so long. Unfortunately since my last post life hasn't exactly treated me well. My living situation had become complicated and the bottom fell out financially. However, finally, things are on the rebound and I may actually be able to actually start working on the project! :glad:
Or at least a little at a time.

The Ocalla Tramway has evolved quite a bit since I first started this thread. The small module like design has changed to a 4x8' layout with an On30 interchange. Some of the track placements will be altered at some point, but for the most part this is the "New" Ocalla Tramway.





The idea is to have a layout the is realitively compact layout for home use, as well as to be realitively portable to take to model train shows to promote On20 model railroading. Unfortunately I do not have any clue as to when I'll be able to work on a layout. So sorry, it could be a while before we see any progress with that.

However I will be able to at least work on some of the locomotives and rolling stock. First on my list is a large, outside frame saddle tank Porter. My prototype inspiration came from ACC locos #9 and #10. They were both outside frame 0-4-4 Porters of which I was able to track down some drawings for. Using them I came up with this.





For the most part I have followed the drawings directly. The locomotive has 30" drivers with a 4' wheel base. However the issue I see here, and some of you may see as well, is she looks a little heavy on the back end. The rear driver is nearly in the center of the frame giving the locomotive an unbalanced look. I may alter the design and give the engine of a 4' 6" wheelbase to better ballance the locomotive. However I won't be able to start construction the model until sometime mid october.

I'll be using parts from a Grandt Line 18-ton saddle tank Porter kit. It will take some modifications, but it can be done. Although I am having somewhat of a hard time decerning what kind of motor to get and a gearbox to use for the altered frame. Suggestions are greatly encouraged.

So far that's about it for now. I will post more updates when I am able, and or when something is worth mentioning.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2012 04:02 pm
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I don't know how to do it, but your drawings need to be resized into a smaller format. My laptop can't show all you have drawn without moving the screen over, etc. One thing I will say is that you have way too much track for such a small layout. But then this is just my opinion. Take care.

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