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A very number of years ago I fell in love with the Coon Gap Sawmill as a kid. I always dreamed of having and would even draw it on paper to pass the time. Now that I am older I have looked at purchasing one of these museum quality pieces. I model in On30 scale so Since around 2005 I have been looking online for an O scale Coon Gap Sawmill. 6 years later and countless hours of searching eBay and other stores still nothing. It seems near impossible to find one and it has been a person quest of mine to build one. My question to ya'll is ANYONE had a set of plans, templates or insteuctions they would be willing so scan, sell.. anything! O scale or HO. Like the templates that came with the kit or instructions. I have all but given up on trying to buy a original kit and probably the only way to have one is build my own. Any sort of help would be a huge step for me to owning or building one. Thanks guys!!

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well cascademan i can assure you your not alone in your search for an O scale coon gap sawmill.  I can also tell you that your looking for a needle in a haystack as only 50 O scale versions were made and sold by B T S.

I can also tell you that the original HO version kit by master creations...later B T S, is supposed to be a nightmare and to quote one DOUG COFFEY he probably could have scratch built it easier.

I did manage to obtain a kit in O scale from a guy in california 2-3 years ago, problem is that half the kits parts were missing, so it got returned.  Not sure if all the plans were there and i never thought about copying the plans at that time.  I was trading the seller about $900 worth of yorke kits.

I made the contact with the seller thru the yahoo group....yorke kits with a wanted specific post in the group. I forget exactly WHO the seller was...bob walther ???? in southern california.

Somewhere stored on a cd are digital pictures of the only O scale one i have ever seen built up and it was called WEST or EAST CHOP . I believe it was either an english, auzzie or new zealand travelling exhibition layout complete with  sound. Builder did a great job.  Couldn't find those pics on any cd's.

Here is a thought for you.....buy the HO kit thats readily available on ebay and copy it by using it as a  pattern for an O scale scratch built blow up.  Make sure the kit is sealed. If you buy the #85 SE edition with the lights and sound computer boards.  After its scratch built sell the kit off less the computer sound boards.   There is currently one on ebay a S E edition for sale at $516 i think.  In O scale you might touch that kit for $1000 i would think, as less than 10 were made.

 



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Thats a great idea.. Thank you! I never thought about that. Yeah I gave up a LONG time ago trying to find the O scale Coon Gap. It is such an interesting kit and I must have one! Now I am in the process of possibly saving up to buy an HO kit (not loose change!). I'll let you know if I purchase one and keep you up to date!

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I remember the first time i saw the december isssue of ?? magazine and that full colour full page advert drove me nuts, had to have one, made the telephone call too Master Creations in arizona  right then and there. !!!!  I also phoned fine scale miniatures that day for their latest too.

As i typed in "coon gap sawmill" into my search engine earlier today, it was amazing how many different places in model railroad groups had talked about the kit. You may want to follow some of those links and maybe mention in a REPLY post , after you join them, that your looking for one and see where that takes you.

Its my understanding, i did own a HO scale one never opened it, that this is a bear to understand the instructions.  One of the reasons i sold ""all"" of my master creation laser kits was the difficulty i had doing the #40 rutherford b haynes carriage company. The instructions were nuts and i basically just looked at the kit pictures and assembled it from those.  Not an easy task but i did accomplish it.  Maybe thats why i am an accomplished scratch builder.

IF you were able to find the instructions for the O scale kit or a copy of them, its my understanding that the S & O scale instructions were done by BTS and are far superior to the ones written by master creations.

I did see that a builder in one of those links..was RAILROAD LINE FORUM ) in a post.....R T BARON said he had an O scale kit he was going to build.  I would make a concerned effort to find and contact him and ask him to copy the plans and pay him for them.

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here is a link to the railroad line forum discussion on the coon gap.

http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30876&whichpage=1

 

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A little understanding about basic mill type construction, and a picture of what you want to build, some strip wood (if you don't have a way to cut your own) and glue,
(Titebond II recommend) and some determination is all you need.

No reason to spend ridiculous amounts of money--UNLESS you want to pay someone else to build one for you- but then, where is the sense of pride and accomplishment?

Scratch building IS NOT difficult. The only thing you get is all the supplies in one box, a plan (not necessary unless you are building an exact copy of a specific item) and instructions-in this case that seem to be of questionable help. Is that worth insane amount of money?



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As a further afterthought, i ran across some pictures of the SLASH BURNER that BTS made afterwards for the coon gap sawmill. Was a great kit , i had one and i see on BTS site that he is planning to offer them again in s and o.......but i think that notice of ***its coming***, has been on his site for 2-3 years.

 

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I actually ran into all my CD stored pictures on the COON GAP SAWMILL from various sources. I also found the name of that O scale build i was looking all over for........its from england. Google :ONE CUT MILL & LUMBER OR

STEAMWINDERS AND SAWDUST in the THREE CHOP HIGHLANDS .

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WOW! That's some fantastic modeling! I got a hold of the guy whom had the O scale Coon Gap. He said the kit didn't come with templates at all and didn't send instructions so no luck there :td:. Someday I will order a HO scale kit when I get the money. I just got laid off so no time soon... :( Thanks for those photo those!! I added them to the collection :).

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I found i actually have a total collection of 38 pictures on the built up coon gap saw mill, by about 6 builders. No idea what scale they are, except the one set.

see the next 3 pages of posts for pictures

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I have never seen pictures of whats around on the other 3 sides of this TRAIN SHOW LAYOUT, but picture below shows other sides but i never got any ****close up *** detailed coverage of it.

If anybody looking at this has pictures of the rest of this travelling layout structures SCENES, it would be greart to post them here .  Or a way to contact the builder in ENGLAND.

mike

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There's one on ebay right now, comes with the instruction book.

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Thanks for spotting that SLEDHEAD, actually there are 2 of them currently listed for sale , both with the computerised lighting system board.......one is $349.00 and other is $799, both are unfortunately HO scale..

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Yeah, unfortunately they are, but I know he was willing to pick up an HO one just to get the plans and design. It really looks like a neat kit, If I were into logging, I'd definitely think about putting in a bid.

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The design is a killer one, at the top of a lot of peoples lists for style and grace.........its building the thing from the plans thats supposedly insanity time.

There is a lot of stuff done on this with laser cutters that would be hard to replicate by a good scratch builder, but once you have the parts sitting in front of you from the kit it would be easier to perfectly duplicate or close too it.

Personally i think these 2 ebay sellers on ebay are fishing, because i do not think they should sell for anywhere near the kind of $$$$ they are asking , for I have them both on my watching list and will see what happens to them , anything including no bids or sales.  I think 90% of this particular kit run , is sitting on people shelves never to be built.  Along with a few other of these early laser kit master creations designs.

 

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went to the ebay and checked the COMPLETED LISTINGS for coon gap sawmill

---aug 12 list $999.95 NO SALE ,  advanced loco seller

........aug 16 $699.99 NO SALE,  advanced loco seller,

 aug 22 $799.95 NO SALE ,  advanced loco seller.

AUGUST 16...***sale*** complete kit $355.00 with 7 bidders

august 16 ..sale BOX & INSTRUCTIONS ONLY...4 bids $32.00

 

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neither the $999 one or the $699 sold , as i expected......I think maybe around $300 or less would be a good price, if one really wanted one.

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That's one different looking shay, looks like a 4 truck, no wait, some is blocked, maybe a 6 truck, can you please tell me a little more about it, I am confused...:bang:

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Its not a shay......i copied and blew up ,then zoomed in on the locomotive....shays always have the driveline on the right side.....this has nothing.  Maybe its a dunkirk type loco.???

Woodie and Mudge are real good at identifying locos, maybe they will voice an opinion as too the locos heritage and wheel setup.

Wheel setup from what i could see is a 4--4--4....maybe a 2-2 setup on the tender area.

Not sure what part of the world this travelling show layout is from, New Zealand is what i think, but not sure of.  I have never been able to find out who specifuically built it. 

 

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The many wheeled models are a lot like what Ollie Smith of New Zealand made after they outlawed steam in the woods. The double ended model is like a prototype one he made also.

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This loco is on Murray Reid's On3 logging layout, the "Steamwinders & Sawdust." Google it, go to the loco roster it is at the bottom of the photos.
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Try this:
http://www.nettrams.net/7mmNGA/20050312NGNF.htm
Nice layout to see.
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Thanks, apparently it is a variation on a 4 truck climax of some sort.

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just hunted it down and apparently the builder lives in LEEDS area of England.

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 its october 24...2011, just finished cruising ebay and going thru a sellers listings.........voila......one O scale coon gap sawmill has appeared and listed starting at $875.00 .  This one of 50 produced, featuring 2300 + parts  I cannot go after it......tapped $$$$$$  out .

 

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it finally sold for $831.00 last nite oct 31...2011

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Might be the one that the seller was offering to the members here at $2500 (only!) before he sent it to Ebay.

Also before I deleted his ad, and him also.


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$2500, $850, etc. for a STINKIN'KIT! It is no wonder this hobby is going to hell in a bucket of crap! I know this post is "deletion fodder", but I just had to respond!
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Ah Woodie :old dude::old dude::old dude:, your just trying to be obstinat.

People buy kits like that because they are incapable of duplicating a structure of that calibre and that they can construct a whole layout around.  There is a total of 2300 parts in it.

Banta model works produces something in that price area or even more at $975.00 . Its the Pro Patria mill  There must be a demand for it ?  Its 34 inches deep, 48 inches wide 30 inches tall.....IMPRESSIVE !!!!    see link below

http://www.bantamodelworks.com/BMW137.html

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Regardless of the price it is impressive and it would be fun to afford it and all the details it would eat up in a scene. At the rate I'm working at it would be the only kit I'd ever have to buy. It would take just a few decades just for me to build. I have the turtle method of construction down pat.
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Herb, That is really funny.  I used to be the sole moderator on the worlds largest Z Scale site. Sounds like we both went to the same 'moderator school?'  Jim:moose:

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Jim

Since you were a Mod, you know that the likely hood of getting rich on the salary is slightly remote. That being so, if you're not in it for the money, it better be fun.

Now, if you will excuse me---  





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Spam, spam, spam, eggs, and spam...git em' Herbert. Yes, I am a cheapskate so that's my story and I may stick to it...
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W C Greene wrote: Spam, spam, spam, eggs, and spam...git em' Herbert. Yes, I am a cheapskate so that's my story and I may stick to it...
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you may want to try spraying yourself with WD40, stops the cheapskate squeeking.

 

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WOW !!

Hadn't seen the Coon Gap Sawmill here before.

It is rather a nice kit.

Pretty cool layout from Leeds.

That weirdy beardy loco looks like a winner too.

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I know somebody named DOUG in canada who built one of these in HO scale and he said it would have been easier to scratch build it.

There is a lot of laser cut post and beams in this kit. Would drive ya crazy copying them or making each one scratch. Think i would have rich sheppard of R S LASER KITS laser cut new ones for me.

Tough one to get , this is the O scale kit as they MASTER CREATIONS only made 50. I managed to work a trade on one for 4 tom yorke kits. Problem was that the particular kit somebody had gone thru it and lost a lot of wood parts, so i unfortunately cancelled the trade.

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Hi Mike,
I think I saw some of these very limited "limited editions' are being re-run as a re-release on the BTS site in the last 12 months or so.

I am not sure if there are differences between the original 50 and the re-release "Encore" items. See http://www.btsrr.com/

Maybe you can score a Coon Gap Mill still?

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that news is fantastic, especially about the rewriting of the instructions which were a seperate issue . To say they were horrible is being nice.

BTS has made the right move by redoing the original designs, but modifying and rewriting what needed to be done.

A lot of great O scale kits will be brought back to life and your not going to have to go to war on ebay to get one and at a price that's far fairer.. The coon gap was being offered over $1000 US, now you can get a better engineered model for $699.

Not cheap but a kit of this substance makes it worth it. A whole layout can be constructed around either of their sawmill offerings.

let those log buggies roll and get a shay or heisler or climax to shift the loads. I really like that 2-4-4-2 on30 from bachman..............trick !

mike lynch :moose:


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