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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 02:27 am
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Had an idea for a little side experiment. I've been thinking about doing a micro layout which mainly features a railbus or two where having large commercial support isn't a huge deal (and HOn30 is becoming harder to get anyways).

Anyone ever do 2ft gauge using N track? The exact math works out to 1/68 scale, for which there is nothing. However, it is close to 1/64 (S scale) and 1/72 (commercial plastic figures and diorama pieces) either of which could be "fudged" as a match.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 03:01 am
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... don't forget the british OO9 (1:76 on 9mm), and 5.5 scale (1:55 on 12mm). Not really in scale, but maybe you find suitable parts.  

Michael

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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 07:09 am
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Most people aren't bothered by the visual disparities of gauge/scale. If you are just make an odd scale. Commercial products from other "scales" can be adapted:

http://www.55n3.org/

55n3 solved the scale/gauge problem of HO track for three foot gauge.

Two foot on 12mm track has been done:



Dennis Harrison's 6mm/ft running on 12mm track Two foot railway

More at:

http://www.blackhamtransfers.com/55/55mmAssn/5andahalfGallery2.html

Don't follow everyone, think outside the box.

The reason for 5.5mm/ft on 12mm gauge is the Talyllyn and Corris Railways in the UK which were 2'-3" gauge which works on 12mm TT gauge track.

Harold






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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 10:19 am
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When one is considering an "oddball" combination of scale/gauge, the amount of usable figures, autos, and animals should be given primary consideration. Small errors in the gauge go unnoticed, and the smaller the scale selected becomes, the more difficult the error is to detect. Unless you want to spend a lifetime scratchbuilding and sculpting, stick with one of the long established scale/gauge compromises.

Back in the '50's I built a few pieces in 7/32" scale, to use HO mechanisms and trucks to represent 3' gauge. 7/32" is within two thousandths of an inch of Harold's 5.5mm. It sounded like a good idea at the time, but HO trucks had the wrong size wheels, and wheelbases, which was very noticeable, and I couldn't find figures that weren't grossly over or under size, so I trashed the whole idea, and went to 1/48

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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 12:33 pm
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Holy Mackerel, I will jabber a bit also! You can have 2 footers in S (1:64) scale using available HOn3 loco mechanisms and trucks...there are locos (expensive brass) and cars (expensive resin & wood kits) or just make stuff yourself and use HOn3 track. If you had some HOn3 stuff and would consider a slightly narrower gauge, using O scale, that HOn3 gauge becomes 20" gauge. And then there is 2 foot gauge in 1:35 (military scale) using HO, On30, 16.5MM gauge. I know a couple of dudes doing that now.I also know more doing On20 also. And yes, I know some Sn2 modelers.I can get shot for suggesting this but you might consider using already established and available materials for your venture. Locking yourself into something like 1:74.285 or 1: something something will cause you to give up in disgust because no figures or vechicles are available.

Depending on what type of 2 footer you would like makes a difference also. Do you want British/European tramway stuff? Do you want Aussie/NZ stuff? How about US stuff-Maine types, industrial lines, or as I love-western US 2 footers. As for a small layout, look here in the micro layout section for ideas. Using tiny locos and cars, you can have a neat little line in a 1 foot square layout!

Stuff to think about.  I do know a little about 2 footers and what I don't know, others will...just ask.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 02:50 pm
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Your problem won't be vehicles,figures and buildings, there are enough 1/72, OO and HO that can be converted.

The key to an "oddball" combo is mechanisms, railway bogies and drivers. If you can find those it will always work.

Harold

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Im with everyone else, you could easily fudge a little with S scale  details. People get way too hung up on scale!



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Yep-in S scale, that N gauge becomes 20" gauge...just right for a real  mining operation. Check out the CORONADO RAILROAD in AZ, it just might be what you want. You could make a modern line using a great running N diesel all "fixed up" with some HO and S scale parts and an S scale engineer hanging out the cab. Is that enough "outside the envelope" for you?

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 Posted: Mon Jun 28th, 2010 10:26 pm
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Here's my first micro layout from around 1995 - S Scale, N gauge (HAND LAID!!!), about 20" x 30". Had a running loop, interchange track, mine branch and an airport. There was an enginehouse built from a standard gauge boxcar. The airport was on top of a mesa and was for flying out special Cavorite shipments directly from the mine. The first Cavorite conversion aircraft was a Harrier and the Marine pilots did just fine; when we converted an A6 Intruder we had to add the flight deck for the Navy jocks. For N track now I recommend Peco Setrack, the turnouts are 9" radius and 2 truck diesels run thru them just fine.

 


 
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The base was a frame of 2" x 2" pink styrofoam strips with 3 layers of foamcore glued on top with Campbell HO ties with code 70 rail hot glued to the ties - it really did run. This layout and Jim Foster's Little Fork and Pike inspired Jim Eakin of Short and Narrow Rails to create the Award now given out at the National Narrow Gauge Conventions (the 3 of us have known each other for 25-30 years). Go for it - S Scale on N gauge is fun :glad:, got 2 cabooses and a passenger car to get you started :) - Russ

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 Posted: Tue Jun 29th, 2010 10:18 am
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Thanks for the replies all.

@Herb -- Yes, wheel base was something I was considering. My thought was to use HOn30 trucks. The wheels on the loco mechanisms might still prove to be problematic.

@Woodie -- 1:35n2 would be cool, but space is a larger concern to me, and that's why I was looking at 9mm/N track. I was aware of the O running on HOn3 track. It is a nice combination, but my only concern was the availability of mechanisms. With 9mm/N at least I can always fall back on the Kato "pocket" line of mechanisms. Is there an easily accessible mechanism for HOn3 track, or are you re-gauging HO locomotives?

Otherwise, I think (with your second post) you captured the spirit of where I was going -- A small little arizona/colorado line.

@Russ -- Wow, awesome. That is really close to what I had in mind for my project. I actually saw that posted on the small layout website, but didn't catch it was S scale on N track. Even your construction methods -- Pink foam with extremely tight hand laid turns is what I was thinking too.

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