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 Posted: Sat Apr 24th, 2010 04:55 pm
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Hi,
I need a small rail bus for the shuttle service between Toeffelholm harbour-station and the harbour with the pier itself.
I have a kit of this Tram in 1:24


( http://www.occre.com/index.php?option=com_productos&task=showProduct&idproducto=50 )

I want to take the motor hood of a Ford T, a Czech Praga truck or something else from the 20's (My layout is situated in late summer of 1926) and put it in the front of the tram body, whereby I intend to leave one of the open ends aside and to place the motor hood directly before the plane end of the closed coach box (the body part with the five windows).

I thought you guys might have some prototype examples in your fundus for me, fitting to the type of rail bus I want to model  L: .

Further suggestions will also be welcome :thumb::)

Juergen



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 Posted: Sat Apr 24th, 2010 09:07 pm
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Juergen-

The only picture of a tram car, made into a railbus that I remember seeing, was one that the 3 ft gauge East Broad Top Railroad bought from the Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina. It was made from a double truck car and I believe that only one poor photo survived of it. The EBT numbered it M2, and tried running it on the relativity level Shade Gap branch  but it was stunningly unsuccessful and was soon disposed of (junked?) It did have a car or truck hood and radiator sticking out one end. Since there was no wye or turntable at Shade Gap it must have suffered severe overheating backing on the return trip to Orbisonia.


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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 02:41 am
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Hi Juergen,

I don't have any photos of prototypical rail buses like this, but I have seen many modeled as you are suggesting.

Many have used the Bachmann rail ruck in On30 to power it.

I think what you have in mind, is very much like the one Robn30 did in this thread.

http://freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=1913&forum_id=46

I looked at the model through the link you provided.

It looks like you can make it work, by removing one of the vestibules on one end, leaving the floor intact and mounting the truck cab on that.

However, you will need to cut the power bogey in half if possible, leaving the geared set of wheels in place, and moving the un-geared set forward.

That way, it will look better with the wheels in the wheel wells of the truck cab , as well as preventing the cab from swinging out away from the rail centers while moving though curves, which is what that 4 wheeled power bogey will cause.

You could also use a set of wheels from a small boxcar or something like that for the wheel set in front.

Either way, I think you will need to split that power bogey, and I like the single pair of wheels idea best along with trimming away some of that bracing between the wheels on the cars carriage......Just my opinion.:us:

I know this photo edit is way more than crude but you should be able so see what I am talking about with it.







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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 08:50 am
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Herb,

it don't need to be a railbus built from a tramcar in special. I want to use the tram kit just because it's there and I don't need a tram on my layout. I found a similar example on the website of EBT you mentioned and I remember now that you had it in your old avatar.


May there be some further pictures?

@Dave,

thank you very much for your constructive support. You are really good in sketching.
You are thinking of taking the whole truck or car cab instead of only the motor hood? That's an alternative, that I didn't thought about before.

The kit I have is without drive, so I have to built an own motion concept anyway.
As it is a kit, I hope I can easily place the imitated axle boxes in the desired position, as you showed in your picture.

 Yes, Robn30's railbus is a further example of my intended vehicle, thank's.

Juergen
 




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Juergen

Besides the ex avatar photo here is the only other photo that I can find of the M3- I have 133 photos that were taken of various parts while three of us totally rebuilt the car, but none would much good in building a model. I should have more photos, but can't find them at the moment




The car is not an ex tram car, but was built in the company shops using a Maxwell auto for the power train. Later, in the 30's it was repowered with a 4 cylinder Nash auto engine and transmission, and a Ford rear axle. It was used until the railroad shut down in the mid 50's, and even occasionally even after.


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Some more I found--







This is the earliest pix that we have found. It is the car with the Maxwell engine and radiator


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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 05:26 pm
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Dadgum, Herbie-that is some incredibly detailed modeling! You might need to put more detail inside the model, you know how those nitpickers feel about "details". Very realistic work, you'll make a finescaler yet!

Juergen-I think the tramcar would make an excellent bus. That's just the kind of thing a narrow gauge railroad would do. I am sure that somewhere there were/are prototypes...or maybe your model will become the prototype. I have an old 1:32 Airfix London double deck bus that might end up with flanged wheels, the "second story" might have to go due to close clearances. Best of luck with your project, I am wanting to see more.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 08:39 pm
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Thank you Herb, these are awesome pics!
Those details are always very useful.

Woodie, yes my models are anyway exact replicas of my fictional prototypes :moose:
But I loke to collect detail inspiration from several prototypes.

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I found a Ford T Railbus on the net, called a Col. Stephens Railbus

Found on http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=209546&nseq=54

And a model of it here
http://railuk.forumup.co.uk/about2016-0-asc-0-railuk.html



I like the railing on the roof for the baggage.

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Juergen-that Col. Stephens Model T bus is extremely neat. As I look at it, I see that a somewhat reasonable model of this could be built in 1:32/1:35 scale using the old Airfix London bus and a Lindberg Model T. I have both of these kits and when I take a break from running trains (maybe next Winter) I just may bash them together. Thanks for the inspiration.         Woodie

Here's a photo of an old Airfix kit without the 2nd deck. It does have the "general" looks.

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