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 Posted: Sun Mar 21st, 2010 01:29 pm
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New to Free Rails. Returning to the hobby (after about 25 years). I ran across a reference to using Sill Sealer for roadbed instead of cork. Has anyone here heard of this or actually used it. I is about $4 per 50 ft roll vs about $40 for a box of cork. Just curious...and looking for ways to save money.

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what does it look like......

what is it made of......

how realistic looking is it....????????

how easy is it too cut

how easy is it to glue down

can you apply scenic materials over it??

will they stick  ?

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Ok, I found the original quote I referenced:

Noise??? Go to your local building supply and ask for a roll of "Sill Sealer". Made by Owens Corning, comes in 50Ft rolls, 51/2" wide and 1/4" thick...about $4.50 a roll! (Home Depot Sku 409989) Use that as your road bed...then carve drainage ditches in the underlying foam base....quick, easy.......and cheap!!!

It is on this web page: http://www.ndrr.com/rmr_faq/Layout/Foam.htm


May have to go to the hardware store this afternoon and take a look.



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Howdy-sometimes you may need to ask the question about certain "tips"-"have you ACTUALLY done this?"...In reading the info about using foam, etc...most was useful stuff, but the gent who told about using contact cement to hold down roadbed and track to foam may be talking through his hat...I have not found any contact cement that will work on styrofoam without first eating it. Contact cements that I am familiar with are solvent based and therefore attack the foam. OK, if there are such things, then good...but using contact cement to stick down track is another matter. Contact cement is useful for holding rails down to wooden ties for handlaying but plastic ties could get warped or eaten by the glue and then if it really does work, you have ONE CHANCE to get the track down where you want it.  No matter what track you use, flex or handlaid, good old white glue works just about the best. If you plan on applying ballast with glue & water, then the track will be held in place till the end of time.  I did like the suggestion that the layout needs to be built from plywood and 2 by 4's so the modeler could climb up on the layout to work on the backside or retrieve a balky locomotive. That is pure 1940's advice!

I have had no experience with the "Sil Sealer" product. It may be just the ticket and at less than 6 bucks for 50 feet, if it don't work then it could be used to seal window sills and door threshholds-probably it's intended use.

Welcome to freerails, Steve. If you can, join us on the Sunday night live chat. 9PM Central US time. We could discuss this and other helpful topics. Hope to hear from you.                    Woodie 

PS-after looking at that website again, I noticed that nowhere was a mention of using radio control for model trains. There was talk about 300 dollar PC control programs and 250 buck dcc starters...but evidently, nobody is thinking about r/c. It's the future but nobody thinks about that. Did I get you thinking?

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 Posted: Sun Mar 21st, 2010 07:26 pm
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Thanks Woodie, I am hoping to get in on the chat tonight. Not sure I will make it to the hardware store today though to check out the sealer.

A lot has changed in the last 25 years. Lots of new stuff. It used to be a choice of wood or cork. The foam does not look very solid to me, but does look interesting.


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Steve-indeed, join us tonight (Sunday)...we may dispel any thoughts about foam being "not substantial". If my outdoor layout was made of plywood, it would be warped by now...2" blue foam is (for me) the only way to go. See ya..

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Actually I am good with the foam board. Looking forward to using it. My concern is using the foam roadbed as compared to cork. I hear it is better for sound reduction, but it does not look sturdy to me. But I am certainly willing to look into it.

See you all tonight.
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Woodie-

There has been a contact cement that is waterbased available for more than 15 years. Non-flammable, less odor, and unlike many, "new, improved" (how can it be new, if it's improved?) products it seems to work just about as well as the old, stinky stuff.

You're right about having to get things located properly the first time though- no second chances.


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Well, I joined up just to offer my 2 cents to this question.   As a builder, I use the sill sealer all the time.   It would NOT be suitable for roadbed.
It is too "spongy" and track would bounce and never hold spikes or nails, etc.
Homasote is my choice but I know others like cork.
The water-based contact cement is much better than the solvent based and won't dissolve foam.   For that matter, Scotty Mason is trying the stuff to make his own rock molds for castings.
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