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Bill Fornshell
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McKeen Passenger Car

I received the first resin cast of the new F & C McKeen Passenger Car or called by some a "Trailer". The resin model is about as close to the Brass Master as you could get. The detail is really nice. It didn't take long to get it cleaned up and most of the detail attached. Most of the under chassis detail had not been poured yet and since I had an order ready to ship they put this first casting in for me to look at / build. I have more ordered and should start getting them next week.

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I have only been able to find a few pictures of the prototype and this is one of the best. It is small but you should get the idea.

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This is a picture of one of my Brass Passenger Cars and one like this was used as the mold Master.

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This picture shows the F&C 55 foot McKeen Motor Car and their new McKeen Trailer / Passenger Car.

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The resin model and the painted Brass Model.

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This picture shows some of the details.

6. Using the Passenger Car as a Radio Control Battery Car.


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Bill- In this case, I would have no objection to putting the batteries in a separate car, as the car was normally attached to the power unit, as a tender is to a steamer.

The resin castings look great!

Any idea of the cost?


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very nice looking indeed........hope they sell well for you as with you is a labour of love. !!!!!!!!! 

Question, 3rd car from the left, the long one, what it is ,a combo car and are you also going to make that as part of the set ??????????  Are their more lengths and versions ?

 

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the comments.

Yes, the McKeen's are like my children.

The picture only looks like a 4 car train. It is 2 pair of 70 foot Motor Cars (the long ones) each with a Passenger / Trailer Car. That model Motor Car was the type that had the Gas / Electric Power truck. Those were a later modification to the old Gas Engine. The Gas / Electric power trucks ran really great. They just came along a bit to late to save the McKeen Motor Car.

That version of the 70 foot McKeen came in a lot of different designs. The 2 in the picture were Mail / Freight versions. I have a Brass Model like the 70 foot one in the picture and it could be turned into a Master Mold for a resin model. If I had 2 of them I might give up one to a Master Mold but I only have one. I am thinking about trying a kit-bash of 2 of the 55' Motor Cars into a 70 foot version.

I am about to start a scratch build of the McKeen Baggage Car (31 foot) and if it works out it will be the next car in the set. I have a Brass Baggage Car but haven't been able to get "permission" to use it for a Mold Master.

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when you look at vehicle #1 and vehicle #3 there are differences in the body  design , like the windows and doors , one has more than the other.

 

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Hey Bill, I didn´t knew that Union Pacific had those Motor coaches in their rooster, isnt it? Good news for my aussie UP fan friend!!

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Hey Bill, I didn´t knew that Union Pacific had those Motor coaches in their rooster, isnt it? Good news for my aussie UP fan friend!!

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madmike3434 wrote:
when you look at vehicle #1 and vehicle #3 there are differences in the body  design , like the windows and doors , one has more than the other.

 

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Hi Mike,

The McKeen Motor Cars came 55 foot and 70 foot long - mostly. When it came to the doors and windows it seems that they used what ever happened to be on hand or what ever the customer wanted.

I have pictures of the 70 foot version with 6 or so different Door / Window arrangements and at least 3 different motor / power trucks.

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I wonder, since the McKeens were notorious for being "slippery" due to their single axle drive, how successful they were at trailer pulling before being converted to gas-electric. The trailers must have been made before the conversions, and McKeen must have known the problems with the original drive early on. A case of a father turning a blind eye to the faults of his children?



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Hi Herb,

Most of the pictures I have of the Passenger/ Trailer Car show them being pulled by one of the 70 foot Gas / Electric McKeen Motor Cars. The Gas / Electric Power Trucks version had no problem pulling the Passenger / Trailer Car.

I don't have any problems pulling a Passenger / Trailer Car with my 55 foot McKeen Motor Cars on that belong to "MY" Railroad as they all have been converted to the Gas / Electric Power Truck.

I might let F&C use my McKeen 70 foot (Gas /Electric) Motor Car for a mold master. They are checking their work schedule to see when they might be able to do it.

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Bill-those resin kits look great! This makes you the McKeen king for sure. The UP had em', the V&T had one, several rr's in Nevada had them, they even ran here in the Dallas area from Mineral Wells. And guess what-there was a plan for a Mogollon Motor Car Railroad that would use a standard gauge McKeen 50 footer which would make a connection down at Lordsburg, NM. I would build something like this, but do you know how big a 3/8 scale 50 foot McKeen car would be? A big muthah I gawrantee!        Woodie

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Hi Woodie,

My On30 version of the 70 foot McKeen is just over 17 inches. If 3/8" is the same as .375" x (feet?) the 55 foot McKeen would be a little over 20 inches.

The straight sides of the McKeen makes them sort of easy to scratch build. I use wood for the roof on the ones I make.

I know a guy named Jerry Barnes that made at least 2 of the 55 foot McKeen Motor Cars in 1/29" scale. If you can find the August 1997 issue of "Garden Railways" his models are featured in it.

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Hi there,

What scale are the McKeen's.  Some Australian Modellers maybe intrested as they were used by the Victorian railways in Australia.

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Bill-while I would love to devote the time to build a 3/8, 1:32 scale McKeen car, I need to build more 1:32 ore cars, Ledgerwood hoist, smelter buildings, etc.., etc. so I probably won't get to the McKeen in this lifetime.  Besides, I would want a layout to run it on and that's something unplanned.  With that said, it might be nice to build that Mogollon Motor Car RR job as a static model but Muj would have a fit because I would need at least another section of layout to properly display it.

The beat goes on & on.....Woodie

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Queensland Government Railways in Australia had some McKeen cars on 3'6" gauge too. I was looking at a plan of them yesterday actually.
 Not my cup of tea personally but I can see why they have a loyal following, and you are doing a very good job modelling them (and love the RC)
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Rod Hutchinson wrote:
Hi there,

What scale are the McKeen's.  Some Australian Modellers maybe intrested as they were used by the Victorian railways in Australia.


Hi Rod,

The F&C McKeens are all HO scale.

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Hi there,

Just for info here is some stuff on the VR (Victorian Railways) McKeen Cars.

http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/temppics/mckeen.htm

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Hi Bill,  I really like your models of the McKeen Motor Cars.  I am a big fan of the Virginia and Truckee lines.  I am heading up to Carson City  on May 9th for the running of the restored McKeen car.  Are you selling 70 foot McKeen cars? If you are  do you made Mckeen cars that are replicas of the V&T line?  Thanks Ryan :2t:

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Thanks for the comment. I would really like to take a ride on the #22 McKeen in May. It is just to far for me to travel for such a short time. Maybe you can take a lot of pictures and post some when you get back.

This thread has one of my 70 foot McKeen Motor Cars. This model was sold by Precision Scale Co. about 12 years ago as the #22 V&T McKeen Motor Car. I have two of these PSC 70 foot McKeen Motor Cars. The other one is lettered for the Southern Pacific Lines. The one in this link was sold as the V&T #22 at a time when it was painted Red.

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=2632&forum_id=45

I asked Mark at PSC if I could get permission to use one of my 70 foot McKeen's as a mold master and cast some Resin models to sell. He wasn't interested in talking about that. One day I plan to kit bash two of the 55 foot resin McKeen's into the 70 foot version.

I think that their have only been 3 - HO -70 foot McKeen Motor Cars sell on eBay in the last 2 years or so and I all 3. So none for sale that I know of.


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