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Here is a photo of a really funky screen door made in the usual way from basswood and "painted" with nastiness. The thing is the screen which is made from a "permanent coffee filter" found at the dollar store. This is fine nylon(?) screen which works great for a door or window screen. The door shown is 1:35 scale, but this stuff should work in O and maybe even HO. I just cut out some & glued it to the back of the door frame. The door will be installed at the local cantina so it needed to look pretty old. I will make another screen door and try to put a "Rainbo is Good Bread" logo on it. I just thought you all would like to see what it looks like.



If you are able to zoom in on the photo, you can get a really good look at the material. Cost of the screen was about $1.99 and it will make several doors or window screens.  Now, back to the Bloated Goat to fix their door.   Woodie

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Nice work Woodie!  The "Rainbo is good bread" will be a nice touch !

Thanks for sharing.

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That looks very realistic.

I assume it could be used anywhere that a mesh is required. eg Fencing - Fishing nets

Good find.

Don

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Cool Woodie,

Looks even better than I had imagined when you mentioned the material in chat. :thumb:

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Paladin wrote: That looks very realistic.

I assume it could be used anywhere that a mesh is required. eg Fencing - Fishing nets

Good find.

Don

Good point Don- especialy in the smaller scales



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I had wanted to use silkscreen screen for this project but after a bunch of calls to "printer supply" companies, I found that I could get silkscreen by the yard for what I consider a chunk of change. All I wanted was enough to do this door and some window screens-there is no place to fish near Mogollon. So, the coffee filter thing worked out nice and I bought it right up the street! For chain link fencing, I would probably go to the cloth world store & get some bridal veil tulle(?) which comes in various weaves and colors. My finding the coffee filter was just another case of dumb luck-for which I have plenty of. By the way-Jackie's house is FOR SALE...life couldn't be better!      Boudreaux

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Your screen door paint job appeals to me. Nice job, nice find.

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After all this, my buddy Sullivan brought me some scraps of real silkscreen to mess with. This stuff would REALLY work in HO, it is some fine stuff! Since the screen is yellow, I will have to figure out how to paint it with metallic gray or something and then rust it. As soon as I can figger this all out, I will send a photo. As for chain link fencing in HO up, I would still suggest bridal veil material since it has larger weave which looks more like fencing. The truth is out there...somewhere!    Woodie

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Nice door. All you need is a big rusty spring and a screw in hook.

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Taffeta from a material store is also good for chain wire mesh fencing or for emergency barricade if sprayed/dyed the appropriate colour.

                                           John the Aussie bloke.

 

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The truth is out there...somewhere!    Woodie

Ok, being that you decided to fess up- the coffee filter cost about $1.99 at the DOLLAR store? I know that everything is supposed to be bigger in Texas, but here the dollar store sells things for----a dollar-----even the stuff that ain't worth that much.

A nice old touch is to take a very small square of the screen material and stick it on the screen panel. My old man could make Franklin's eyes water, the way he held on to a buck, so one of my jobs as a kid was to apply patches to the screens. Cut an oversize patch, remove 3 or 4 rows of wire on all sides. Bend the protruding wires right angle to the patch, and insert through screen mesh and bend over.


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W C Greene wrote:
I will make another screen door and try to put a "Rainbo is Good Bread" logo on it.




Hey Woodie. I found this picture on the web, might be what you are looking for.




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Bobby-that's a cool door ad! I might see about shrinking it down and making it work on the door. I remember the old Rainbo bread logo painted right on the screen, that might be a nightmare to do so I may give this one a try. Thanks for the pix.

Herbie-yep, some stuff at the "dollar store" sells for more than a dollar, at least here in Tejas. The patch idea sounds neat also, I may do a patch and the Rainbo loco provided the door doesn't get kicked in by the cantina patrons.

                           Woodrow

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Dave-that's exactly as I remember! Now, I have too much to think about. Thanks to all for the ideas and memories. Now, back to work.

                                  Woodie

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It wouildn't be too hard to cut a paper mask and airbrush that on a screen.

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Well Woodie in the spirit of unending torment. :)

Here is another picture, since you liked the one with the push bar and you remembered the painted screen one I figured that you might as well have one that has it all. :bg:




I also cropped the screen print and made it into two tone black and white. I was thinking about Dave's suggestion of a stencil.



Not sure if you can print it out as a decal and then dissolve the letters leaving the outlines to make a stencil. Just a thought and I was bored at work and killed some time.


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Yes, this has taken on a "life" of sorts. Now, what I have in mind is this-using Bobby's image of the Rainbo sign (black & white), I will "photoshop" that image so the lettering is maybe red and yellow or something like that (I don't have an ALPS printer so no white), get rid of the black field, and print the image (sized properly) on clear decal paper, and then cut closely around the lettering (not obsessing here) and apply the decal to the door. Does this work? Look:



I had this STAG beer sign decal (done by Jim-Mopman) and applied it to the screen material using liberal amounts of MICRO SOL. The clear part settled down into the screen and the "painted" lettering looks like it was painted on the screen. If you look at the real screen door, you couldn't see through the painted letters...therefore...

The decal is still wrinkled due to my wanting to show this and not letting the SOL dry. I think it works and seems pretty easy to do. Herb's patch idea is next...

                              Woodie

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Your door is excellent work Woodie !
And with all this protoype examples this has become a very interesting thread.:thumb:

I personally would try the lettering with a mask and my airbrush, but from your example I think your decal method will work very good. You can only see it in very close view, that there is a transparent foil over the grid in the unpainted areas.

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Woodie, that's a great idea for the sign on the screen. I don't remember signs like that on screen doors, might have been a regional thing (or more likely, I just never saw any) but the sign painted on the metal "push bar" was everywhere. I suppose that somewhere, there are people that collect them, although they must have been tossed out when the door was replaced periodically, unlike a sign fastened to a wall, which was just ignored when it became unsightly, or out of date.

I'm excitedly waiting to see the finished door---


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That "push bar" with the logo would be an easier thing to make-print it out on paper and glue it to the metal/styrene "bar" and install. I like both, but the logo on the screen is what I remember most. Herb-it may have been a regional thing, but when I was a kid, it seemed that "screen door ads" were everywhere.

As another "project", this will be a while. When I do get the decal done, I will have to steal the screen door from the Bloated Goat #2 to install it. I hope those drunk rednecks ain't watching.......             Woodie

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With the help of Bobby B and Mopman, I will very soon have my beloved RAINBO BREAD sign for the Bloated Goat's screen door. I am working on this nice "crib" for the Gila Ladies and decided to put a STAG BEER sign on it's door just to see that what I was thinking would actually work. Here it is:



As you can see, the sign looks like it was painted on the screen and the clear decal film has almost dissolved into the background. I am very pleased with the outcome and now will make screen doors for many of the buildings just so I can put signs on them. As for the "crib", it has tree trunks supporting the front porch and porch roof just like a similar building in the real Mogollon, NM. The ladies were at work when I took the photo.

                        Woodie

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Looks good Woodie!

You can still see the solid door through the screen and decal.

OSHA will probably want a railing installed outside that work place though.


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Herb-here's a "full view" of the girls' home. It's about as rustic as can be and as I mentioned earlier, it has the feel of one in the real old town. OSHA inspectors look the other way in  this town, they have a "deal" with the ladies.



As they say, "ya'll come back, ya hear?".......Woodie

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Alright-after all the jabbering I have been doing about a RAINBO BREAD screen door...here's the stinkin' thing...



It looks just like I imagined it to look, I am finally a happy camper. If you look at previous photos showing a door with the metal piece in the middle of the door with the logo, it will be done next. Just a color copy on paper will do and that will be glued to a piece of plastic or brass. Again, I would like to thank Mopman, Bobby B, and Dave for finding photos of the RAINBO BREAD screen door. As I stated, I will have to begin building screen doors for many of the buildings I have. If anybody has any other cool photos of this kind of thing, please post it. To sum it all up, just print the logo on clear decal paper, put it on the door...is that simple, or what?

         Woodie

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Cool stuff Woodie. Thanks for sharing.

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One last thing. After getting my RAINBO BREAD screen door  done, I decided that it would look better on the girls' house so I swapped doors. The STAG BEER screen door is on the BG#2 and the RAINBO is on the "crib". Now, I am truly happy.

                                        Woodie

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That looks terrific Woodie.

I'm sure the girls will be pleased as well to not have flies bothering them while they....um....are ah....working. :pimp:

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THE LAST PHOTO....I PROMISE!



I added the push bar with the Rainbo logo and the Thanks kick plate...just like the door Bobby B sent the photo about. I was happy before, now I am REALLY happy...the door is done. As you can see, the Gila ladies now have a "Thanks-Call Again" sign on their door. I consider this matter closed...unless there are other ideas!

                      Woodie

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Now that looks cool.

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Woodie, that looks great. Heck I think it even looks better than the photo I sent. Yours is probably more prototypical with the weathering and of course with all the men coming in and out at the Gila hotel you just expect it to look a little used huh?


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I remember them (doors) in Arkansas in the 50's.

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Don-OK, that makes some sense...some may wonder, however, what the devil does a screen door have to do with trains! You can stand inside a place and watch trains through one...is that better?

                      Woodie

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Hi all,   Neat looking screen door !   Maybe the mesh is a little large for H.O.   A while back my wife was drinking a cup of tea and I noticed the tea bag was a very fine mesh.  I saved it when she was finished and cleaned it out.  It's some kind of cloth.  I haven't tried to make a screen door or window with it yet: it may be too fine.   It's kind of a gold color so would have to be painted weathered aluminum.  It could be that the color came from being soaked in tea.   I may have to steal one that has not been brewed yet. 

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Jim--

If you are modeling a door  in the '50's era, or earlier, screen was copper, and weathered to a black, with a very slight tinge of green.

Aluminum screen became popular around then (and later still, plastic) because the price of copper was rising.


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I found some "white" silkscreen material mounted on wooden frames after I did the doors. While the silkscreen would be too small for my scale, it looks to be about right for HO and would work in O also. Being mounted in a frame would make it easy to build the door frame on the screen and then cut it all out in a unit. Yes, I did try pantyhose material but (1) it has a very uneven weave for scale modeling (2) I felt very uncomfortable buying the stuff, the cashier looked kinda funny! I'm glad that I found the coffee filter material.
Now, I will someday make a TRIPLE X ROOT BEER door, this was my favorite drink when I was a kid in Waco, TX. I have the artwork but the inclination is not there yet.

Woodie

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 Here is some material I found in a thrift store --no idea what it is called or intended for, but I bought a raft of it for a song and dance!  Still have some ( probably lots)  when I get to my new home in Colorado I will be able to dig it out, drop me a note and I will try to send you a bit.

   In the picture look closely and you will see the box of minature screwdrivers it  is sitting on so you can see how transaparent it is.

 

 Dave

                 

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Since there is new life in this old thread, I have decided to do the beloved XXX ROOT BEER (a local central Texas brand) screen door. As I do this one, I will post some pictures and some words...maybe not at the same time however.
That silkscreen looks great, would make plenty of doors!

Woodie

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Woodie, I like the screen door....a lot! I saw this thread several days ago but had not forgotten it. Today a colleague of mine brought in a burned out bulb unit from his Mitsubishi DLP TV. As I was looking at it, I noticed another source for the "Screen" material you used. Take a look at this. There were two of these, one on each side of the unit AND they are metal. I asked him what he was going to do with it and he said File 13. I then proceeded to extract these from it before he did so. One man's junk is {or can be} an O scale screen door. :bg:

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Tim-great find! I am always on the lookout for stuff that can be used and abused. I could go crazee making screen doors and window screens, most times running those stinkin' trains gets in the way. Post a photo or so if you use this stuff, I am interested in how it looks.

Woodie


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