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Here are a couple of photos showing what could be the only American Garratt locomotive, at least in these parts.  The tiny 2 footer was built by the American Locomotive Co. (ALCO) in the 1920's for a Mexican silver hauling railroad and sports authentic European style buffers. The loco was bought by the Mogollon Railway after the silver line went belly up in the 1930's and the only change was to install pin & link coupler pockets to replace the chain & screw couplings.  The #4 is capable of hauling considerable tonnage up the heavy grades and is a crew favorite. Now, is this enough fantasy for you?





The 1:35n2 Garratt was built on 2 HO scale IHC Dockside chassis that required considerable mechanical modifications (new motors and mounts) to be able to properly hinge the engines under the superstructure.  The boiler is PVC pipe, the cab roof is from an On30 Bachmann 2-6-0 as is the stack and steam dome. PSC O scale detail parts were added along with a crew made from 1:35 military figures. The front & rear tenders are made of styrene with brass overlays & embossed rivets. The radio control board is inside the boiler and the 2 cell Li Poly battery is under the boiler superstructure. The model was built with the cylinders facing each other as on the first Garratt, also a 2 footer, the only locos to be built this way. Garratt changed the cylinder locations after the first ones due to problems with the steam delivery pipes.  Enough of this monkey business, #4 has work to do and sunlight is wastin'. I will try to answer any questions, if any.       Woodie

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She's a beauty Woodrow!!

You sure have the fun factor down to a science that's for sure!

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Woodrow, you've told me about your Garrett, but I got the impression that it was out of service 'cause I don't remember seeing a previous photo of #4.

What took you so long?

What else are you hiding?

Don't make me drive 2000 miles to find out


Herbie:old dude:

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As Bob Barker used to say "come on down!" The Garratt needed some "attention" a while back and I just got her back to shape. #4 has 2 instrument motors that came from an old word processor (lektric typewriter) I had and are identical so she runs great. The little Docksides ran well as stock, but jumped to start and ran like scalded apes, the slow motors did the trick. The engines are "hinged" to the superstructure just like the real thing, I don't believe it would operate as well if I hadn't done it the prototype way. I am glad #4 is back in service, she's a sweetie.      Woodie

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I luv it!

Yer givin me idears again! :Crazy::bg:

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Fabulous as always!! :thumb::thumb: I like the nice rusted touches you did.

Remembers me the tiny garrat from here in the Ferrocarril Austral Argentino(FAF), a nice loco built in the 90´s for a 20" touristic train.

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Absolutely Marvelous!  :thumb:

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Ustawuz that Rudy was my Mry favorite loco. While I still think that Rudy is uberneat, the more that I look at the pix of #4, the more chance there is of Rudy loosing the title


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Herbie-old Rudy is still the favorite, #4 is just intoxicating to watch run. Actually, I found my old Bachmann Porter still in the On30 "guise" with Banta cab but equipped with a plug to run with r/c. The little 0-4-0 will get a tiny tender for the stuff and a "proper" large cab & some "details".  I have said it before..."this is the last loco"..but that was before I found old #7 in a dusty box in Mudge's garage. #2 Rudy will now become the permanent smelter locomotive and have his own little shed above the machine shop. As for the #4, she will handle ore trains along with the Shays and make the weekly run to Brigadeen beyond the Caldwell Escarpment as tales from the Gila Rim continues....................       Boudreaux

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Woodie, How did that loco come about and what inspired you to build it? I think:Hmm: I may recognise some parts or maybe not? Would you share your construction with us by chance?  Please:)

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Bob-since I don't have "as building" photos and I ain't gonna take her apart, I will try to describe some of the stuff. My inspiration for this loco comes from being familiar with Garratts for a long time but was fired up when Mudge lent me the Garratt Locomotive book. I read about little K1, the first (and still running in Wales) Garratt and knew I had to build something similar but more to my SW US tastes.  K1 has the cylinders facing each other like #4 and is the only Garratt to have this. The IHC HO Dockside chassis I used could be pivoted properly if the cylinders faced in also. The 2 Docksides came from Mudge, he had wanted to make such a loco but took pity on my sudden obsession.

The Docksides' motors were funky and as I explained, I had these 2 beautiful motors from the old word processor so the project began. I had to make 2 new motor mounts and do some serious cutting to be able to use the original worm gears on the new motors which now sit vertically over the geared drivers. Next I built the superstructure frame from heavy brass and square tubes-there are steel "pins" at each end which fit into holes in the chassis between the drivers on top of the frames. Now, the 2 chassis were "articulated" and the flat car like frame held them together as a unit. I built a square water tender and coal tender for each end and filled them with weights for tractive reasons. I embossed rivits in brass sheet which was wrapped around the tenders. The boiler is a piece of PVC tubing which hides the Kyosho r/c board and this was detailed with PSC large O scale whistle & bell and the steam dome & stack from a Bachmann On30 2-6-0. The plantation cab was built with the Bachmann cab roof supported by brass tubing. I used some bits of plastic for boiler backhead detail and a couple of military guys disguised as train crew. The onboard battery is a 7.4 volt Li-Poly and it is mounted under the cab & boiler, between the chassis. There was a bunch of piping and "stuff" under the real thing, so this looks OK to my eyes. When I came up with the buffers from some British freight car kit, the whole thing just "came together". Funny how just one thing can make such a difference. Paint is pretty much as you see, Tamiya black spray bomb did the work and the rods and valve gear were painted aluminum but now, the weathering has dulled that down. Bragdon chalks were used liberally to add nastiness and there she is.  #4 has just been rebuilt somewhat to get rid of gear noise in one chassis but is otherwise like when she rolled out of the shop.

Well, there you have it. The story about Mogollon Railway #4 proves that sometimes you can have your cake and eat it too!                  Woodrow

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:apl:Sweet!!!! Now I know what to do with some On30 Porters.

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Woodie that is one inspiring story :bow: Thank you !

 I  never take pictures when I build for a step by step tutorial either.  Heck, I don't even post pictures, something I need to get better at so you guys don't think I am just an arm chair modeler.  If I were closer for a day trip, I'd have too visit your work in person.;)

Kudos!

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Bob-I never think that anybody would be interested in what I am building so I fail to document the process. Another thing is that when I build something, I don't want to stop for photos, I keep on till it's done and then think-"I should have had a V-8".  I do intend to take "in progress" photos of the smelter complex I am building since it is rather large (about 10 feet of building/s) and I will get tired of working on it from time to time. Garratt #4 has yet to run on the smelter tracks...when the rain clears then we'll see.     Woodie

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Why not Woodie?? You´re doing a very nice work on the Mogollon. Even though we don´t model the same scale, is very inspirational seeing other works and experiences. And yours is excelent as example of it, like many people here (Paladin, Hotshot, Ebtm, and the list continues!!)

Keep up sharing the good work! :thumb:

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Sometime a couple of weeks ago, Mogollon Railway's #4 Garratt fell off the Tres Diablos Canyon bridge and 2 full ore cars landed on top of her. The crew jumped in time, but the loco was a real mess. After some serious deliberations, the move was made to rebuild #4 and here's what she looks like now. This is "roughly" the same loco as before but with some big differences. Check the photos at the first of this thread to see what I mean.





It's too hot for any more jibber jabber so if there are any questions, let me know.

                                  Woodie

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Man- you did a bunch of converting in the rebuild. Looks like you even changed which axle is driven on each mechanism.

Looks like one of those "jack up the steam gage and slip a new loco under" jobs.

And the valve gear- the neat valve gear-----it's-----it's-------GONE!

No fair- you put the buffers on a different loco.

Herbie  :old dude:

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Herbie-you is just about right! The mechanicals have changed, when the loco hit the floor, one of the frames broke so I used a pair of....gulp...Thomas "Percy" frames that had many miles on them from Hobby Town. The drivers are larger, the wheelbase is longer, and NO valve gear. I may try to put the old vg on these, but that's sometime later. I want to replace the motors also but will have to wait till I can find (& afford) the proper ones. The "new" loco has a longer "sport model" look and a real cab..made from a Bachmann OF 2-8-0 cab which was built up and the sides opened up. #4 runs quite well and is in service now. Weathering & reporting marks will happen as will a working headlight (old #4 didn't have one) So, this is the "old sailor's knife"...same loco but different.

                                              Woodrow
PS-pardon the lousy photos..it's 105 degrees here and I didn't feel like standing outside taking a bunch of pix...maybe later....

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Woody, if you drove it off again, would the proper valve gear come back????

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Let's don't forget the Other American Garratt - Cavorite Mining's little red locomotive. Spotted on several micro-layouts and now apparently sold to a South Seas Island Resort!



A new project using my old Pelican 1500 case - Russ

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Very cool, Russ. Maybe if I painted mine red or blue, or a combination of colors then it would divert the eyes from no valve gear! The 2 photos I sent are not good ones, #4 has gottin some weathering and lettering with more stuff to come.

"You can't please everyone so you got to please yourself"-Rick Nelson

                    The tropics and Garratt look pretty good to me.       Woodie

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You might find that their are more then just a couple of "American Garratt's" running on US "model layouts".

This one has been around the San Antonio and Northern Railway layout of the San Antonio Model Railroad Association a few times. Radio Control with Battery Power and Sound in HO. It also is waiting for a few more detail parts.

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OK then, this is (hopefully) the last rebuild of the American Garratt. I fiddled around and messed around and listened to and read all the pro's and con's about my poor efforts. Some loved the first version, some hated the second version, I wanted what I have come up with finally. Thanks to Herb's fine riveter machine, I have been able to make a nicer model of what could have been-a Glover Garratt. Built in the 1920's by the Glover Machine Works of Marietta, Georgia, this is a "one of" loco. Glover did not honor any of Mr. Garratt's patents with this machine, built for a South American mining road. These photos show #4 in basic high gloss black without any weathering or junk on the running boards.







As can be seen from earlier photos, this loco appears more like a "sports model" with a modified plantation cab (the crew demanded the rear extention) and slightly larger riveted tanks and metal cab. Gone are the Euro style buffers and a Fairbanks-Morse water pump has been installed on the fireman's side. She is also named Pat, after a lost love. Again, "purists" may note something under the cab roof (a 2 cell Li Po battery) and lack of valve gear or outside frames and cranks but then she is what she is. After some tools, crew, and light weathering; #4 will be shown in her finished glory. 

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like both maybe you need a safety net under the canyon

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WC , Chas ..fellers....

I think the Garrett.is a fine thing..that is whot I think...good job..more fotos of your line..I very much enjoy the out of the box clever you are..

Charley

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Best of the bunch, Woodrow!

Fitting that you named her Pat.

Perhaps, like some ultralight aircraft, she needs a quick opening 'chute


Herbie 

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The New #4 looks great cant wait to see some action shots Paul:Salute:

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Simply beautiful Woody!! Makes me want to build one myself, but it would not negotiate the tight radii on The Last Resort. I am doing a tiny vertical boiler steamer for the Gn15 line up the mountain.
Tom

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Thanks guys. The gloss black and lousy lighting obscure the nice rivets which are all over her body! I just shot her with Dullcote and installed a couple of guys in the cab so little #4 is looking more like a working lokie. A bit of weathering and some tools onboard and she will be ready for work on the high line. When I rebuilt her this time, I changed the weight distribution so she is not as apt to fall off the bridge any more (I hope!) As for tight radii, she will handle a 15" curve on the low line into Mogollon-not bad for an "On30 loco on steroids".

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I love it! Nice job!

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FWIW, there actually is a Garret in America - Texas of all places. Some rich dude acquired one of the little South African 2-foot jobs and shipped it to his private estate. There were one or two pics of her in steam in Railpictures.net about a year or so ago. I'll see if I can track them down and post the link.

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OK, found the photo link: http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=1489

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Yep, I've known about this one for some time. However, the MRy's Garratt is the only one built in the US. At least that's my story. I'd sure like to see the little dude near Houston however.

Woodie

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Now, here are a couple of shots with some weathering, crew, and "stuff" on the running boards. A "dirt" overspray will blend it all together but the Dullcote makes the rivets visible.







The weather is still kind of "iffy" so she hasn't touched the rails on the layout...yet. But I am getting itchy to run trains so hopefully soon the sun will come out and the rain will stay away. #4 is the "big power" and a joy to operate.

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Nice Garrett's guys !

Cheers

Si.

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Si-it's been so long that I thought everybody had forgotten about this thread! #4 has a "friend", a 2-4-4-2, and they handle the big jobs.

Woodie

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Hi Woodie

Been looking at some 'loco build/conversion' threads...
...trying to get 'in the mood'.

Just added a Athern SW1500 (I think ?; just rummidging in old boxes) to my 'conversion pile'.

Now got a Shay...
...Porter 0-4-2...
...& 4-axle Critter...
...to 'convert' !

Ideas...well...some...

That 2-4-4-2 you did Woodie...
( WAY too big for me ) but...
...What Forum is it posted in ?

Cheers

Si.

Havn't seen too many pix. of her on The M Ry yet.

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http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=4346&forum_id=17

Si-here tis'....

Woodie


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