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Here is the latest thing I'm working on.




This is the first car I've scrathbuilt in quite a while. It's the first (well, actually the second) in a series of ore cars I'm building for the Chisos Mining Tram.

The car still needs numbers and some weathering applied so don't be too critical about how new it looks. It won't for long, especially once we start running a string of these babies on Woodie's Mogollon.

This is also my first effort to post a picture to the site (Heaven help me) I think the image is too large on the screen but when I try to resize it in Photobucket it doesn't seem to take.


 

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Nice model Sullivan!!Those trucks are from San Juan?? Cool figure too. Would see the couple of ore cars weathered. Keep up posting!

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Lucas,

Just to clarify, the ore car is built in 1/35th scale, the same as Woodie's Mogollon Rwy.

Those trucks are the regular arch bars that Bachmann sells for On30. When I tried them out they looked 'good enough'. And they roll great!

I also have some trucks from MacLeod Western that will make their appearance on other cars slated to be built for the tramway. They are just too cool looking and based on trucks the Westside Lumber Co. used.

I'll be using the frame and bolsters from Foothill Models fine line of On3 flat cars. Jerry does all the styrene casting himself and they are to die for. Those of you working in On30 need to check out his website sometime if your not already aware of it. Nope, don't work for him, just like the goods.

 http://www.foothillmodelworks.com/

And just to further explain the construction...the cars are built entirely from styrene sheet and strips except for the board by board end platforms. The brake wheels are white metal castings from Selley (Bowser). I've also used a little bit of brass wire. I also now have a possible source for larger brake wheels from a fellow in New York that sells to circus modelers.

More coming later. Woodie said I hafta.   

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Very nice ore car, Sullivan.
Think it will look great in union with several of this.

The flaps for unloading are meant to be on the underside I asume?

I think the picture size is ok. But you could make an image section. If you cut some of the background around the picture gets smaller automatically.

For image manipulations I can recommend "The Gimp". It's freeware.

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Thanks for the remarks.

Here are a few more shots of the cars I'm working on. Just this morning I shot clear coat on the sides and ends of all the cars so I can number them.

Here are both cars up to this point resting on Peco On30 track...just aren't On30 cars. The guy is a 1/35th Nazi that will be slightly reworked and painted.



Here's a shot of the end of one of the cars.



And some more...




And an end shot...




And yes Juergen, the unloading is through the bottom. I've actually scribed lines to show where the flaps are; just din't take a shot of that.

Hopefully I haven't bored everyone the death with pics that are so similar. But, HEY!, I'm just getting started on this section of my model railroad life. Of course I blame Woodie. If his layout wasn't so sweet I'd still be fighting Sn2.

OK, back to work on the layout.

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James-I thought those were MY cars! They should be...When you get ready, we'll couple them up to #5 and take them to the mines. Beautiful work. When you called the MRy "sweet", maybe you mis-wrote. The Mogollon is more like rough, wild, decadent, funky...not really sweet, but thanks for the comment.  That Peco On30 track looks pretty good in the larger scale, maybe the company should start promoting their track for 3/8. James-there is another poor soul who is taken with the larger bug, however, he is like you once were, a rigid Maine 2 footer fan, and wants to "be correct" by using 1:32 and On3 track standards. Who knows, someday Bachmann may come out with a 3/8 Silver City Shay and ore cars (a pipe "dream") and then we could rent a barn & put on a show!      Woodrow

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James-

That Nazi must be like Lot's wife- when he was retreating he turned around to look and was turned into salt!

The cars are great- but keep him off them because the salt promotes rust!


Herbie:old dude:

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How did you do the rivets at sides and ends?

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Lucas,

The side rivets are Grandt 1/32nd rivets. I drilled holes through the sides and simply glued them in place. I wasn't particularly happy about them not being positioned perfectly but I'll get over it. These are for operation, not for a contest.

For the ends I felt like I needed something other than bare metal (plastic) so took some small rectangles of .010" styrene sheet material and punced the pattern in place with a center punch I had laying around. Again, not really perfect. After I glued them in place I tought they helped the car's appearance a bit. Then I added the block above the coupler pocket along with four Grandt nbw castings.

BTW, I plan to take another shot later with all the pre-cut parts used beside a completed car, just to show what was required to build just one car. I was surprised at the number. But it keeps me off the street.

I'm cutting parts for five more cars. I may start working on a box car before I get to those. 

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Herb,

Well, I guess I better get the little fellow primed and painted! :) 

Really, I wanted somthing to show the size of the car next to a normal(?) sized person. It doesn't show the true scale but helps with proportions.

Since I haven't decided exactly where he'll be or what he'll be doing, I decided just to leave him as his own salty self for the moment.

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Grandt rivets looks good!! I´m doing a box car in 0n30 and had to cut one by one because I can´t found them in Walthers... but anyway if it works in your model, will work in mine too. I saw so little, but I was wrong.

Thanks for the tip!

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W C Greene wrote: I thought those were MY cars!...When you called the MRy "sweet", maybe you mis-wrote.

Woodie,

Yeah, at least twice you suggested I leave'em on your layout. They DID look good setting on your track. I just hope that when we run a string of 'em they don't derail too many times over that delapidated stuff you pass off as track.  :bg:

Now really, you know how I feel about your RR...it IS sweet, just like a mixture of cactus juice and rattlesnake venom is sweet.

Me thinks that calls for a trip to the Bloated Goat for a game of cards and a bit of refreshment! Drinks'er on me.

 

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James-the "slow crawl" order is in effect on the "high line" and the 10 foot pole makes things much easier to switch persnickity ore cars. When operating on my layout, a trip to the BG#2 is needed BEFORE operations can commence. This is the only known railroad that requires its' crews to hoist a few before work.   Woodie

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I'll drink to that

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BTW nice ore cars James.  You need to learn to build faster if we are going to have that op session on your layout at the end of the month :P

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Jim,

Build faster, eh? Yeah, you're right. You know, if I could just dump that day job I could get a heck-uv-a-lot more done.

Truth is - I'm on meds for this crappy back of mine and the combination keeps me pretty out of it. There I was sitting at the workbench and knodding the whole time. I was snug in bed and asleep by nine.

But don't fret. I've got two whole weeks to get the layout finished and all the cars built. No problemo!

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James-you had better get to work. Soon I will need to use your cars for the new smelter and they will get weathered for sure. I still haven't built any more cars, just been too lazy and tired of cutting styrene for a while.    Woodrow

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Sooooo...by April?   Sounds good to me. :glad:

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Yep, Mopman...by April...yep. Maybe by April, the smelter trackage will be done and then we can get Sullivan's new ore cars over and put them to work. And then, we can venture over to the Big Bend and run on the Chisos Tram while breaking "rule G"...Woodrow

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Is there a provision in the union contract where I can break rule G without being present?



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What? You haven't seen it?

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Here is a shot of some of the ore cars in a finished state.

 



 
...and no, the track isn't to scale. Whitey is there to show the size of the cars next to a 'person'.

Pictures also tend to show where one can do better...back to weathering.


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Had a new pic but having trouble getting it to upload....

Bear with me and I'll try again later...Photobucket *#@*%

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James-WONDERFUL!!! Those are some mui fantastico ore cars and hopefully we can run them up line soon. I have rebuilt the rotary dump cage but it is still a little tight for your fine cars. We can hire some locals to unload them at the smelter.

The weathering looks great and a string of these being pulled by a Shay will bring back "memories" of the trip to Pinos Altos and beyond.

         From the Gila Rim,    Woodie

BTW-I have a "way" to upload to Photo%&^*^&$# which is painless and works better than their "uploader" business!  

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Lookin GREAT, James!:glad::glad:



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Dang, those look cool.  With those plus the three that WCG is working on plus the completed cars on the layout, we could have one hell of a op session.  Lets see....4 or 5 mine runs with frequent breaks at the Bloated Goat...oh, and don't forget to e-mail Herb so he can participate in breaking rule G

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Jim,

I have five cars completed plus two more in the works plus I've got the parts cut for at least four more.

Also, I found a chain at Hobby Lobby that I think will work for links. They will certainly fit my couplers. I took a sampling over to Woodie's last night along with some eye pins I found there that have bigger eyes than the Shipways variety.

Woodie said he'd try them as soon as it dries out a bit. 

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Sounds good.  I saw the chain links and I think it will probably make switching easier.  You don't have to "hit the hole" so to speak to make the joint.

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All,

In this photo you can see the basic coupler pocket I'm using (from Foothill Models). Also in the shot are the links and pins supplied.

Concerned that these might be a bit hard to use in actual opreation I went looking and found the links in the form of a 60" chain and the pins from cut-down eye pins.



I found these at Hobby Lobby here in the Dallas area. The chain is made up of the links you see here plus small circles that join them. Open the circles and the links drop loose. They aren't protype size by any stretch but they'll work for me.

I might add that the oval can be flattened a bit very easily to make the connection. I just figure if they work as they are so much the better.



In actual use they look a bit like what you see below.









I've spent quite a bit of time running all five completed cars around the grandkid's HO layout (yeah...sure...it's for the grandkids) which has 18 inch radius curves and they seem to work just fine both pulling and pushing.

The real test will come when we try these on Woodie's Mogollon. Then I'll know they'll work anywhere.

And that means no offense to Woodie's railroad. It's just built like the real thing would be with all the whoopties and do's that a prototype line would have after the hot sun has beat down on it for years...'cause it has.

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The real test will be on the high line.  From what I've seen so far at Woodie's, they should work just fine (I hope).  Nice work on those ore cars BTW.

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Thank you Woodie, Herb, and Jim for the kudos on the cars.

Now all we have to do is wait for a some dry and slightly warmer days and we can hopefully make a few runs on the ol' Mogollon with these babies.

 

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James- got to run some cars for a few minutes this afternoon and the new pins & links work great! For my curves, the coupler pockets need to be slotted on the sides to allow plenty of swing and the locos still need a longer link, some need an offset link to accomodate various heights. You will see what I mean when you get here. The 10 foot pole still works best when pushing cars, the pole is located between the loco and train...there's some physics thing here, but I don't know whet it means...it just works better. Otherwise, you have found the "holy grail" for l&p addicts.   Woodrow 

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W C Greene wrote: ...got to run some cars...and the new pins & links work great! For my curves, the coupler pockets need to be slotted on the sides to allow plenty of swing...
That's great to hear, Woodie!

We'll have to see if my cars work a little differently since I'm using the Kadee coupler pockets and my couplers can swing from side to side a bit.

Hopefully we can plan something in the near future...

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Hey James-since you called me to see if I was still "alive"...it is now my turn. What are you doing? I was really amazed that there weren't any 35n2 ore car kits for sale at last weekend's show. The scale seems to be growing by leaps & bounds......yep..

The other night on PBS there was a 30 min. show about "24 hours in Terlingua" which showed some of the locals and a bit of the old "town". It looks like most of the residents either live in old broken down busses, tumble down mine structures, or even in some caves. It is my kind of place and a modeling inspiration for sure. The scenery is not too far off from the Mogollon/Clifton area that I love, I guess the boondocks is the boondocks wherever it is. You probably know about this already, but the USGS has a site with a 360 degree video of the Chisos area and other places in the Big Bend. While there, I also checked out a 360 of the Alpine Tunnel and that didn't look to different from Terlinga either!

Well, as Muj says "off your hocks, get on yer socks"...time to do some railroadin'...Woodie 

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Woodie,

Still here...suffering under the thumb of the MAN!

As to kits...I guess I could put together a drawing and the correct pieces of plastic and say, "Have at it!". OR...get off my duff and get the resin castings done. OR...just build what I need like you've done.

Seriously, and this is one heck-uv-a poor excuse, my mind has been so tired dealing with my real job that I just haven't cared once I was at home. And I keep telling myself to 'git off yur keester an' git ta work'. Hasn't helped so far.

As to Terlingua, it seems a road trip is in order. I have the motel picked and (I think) I can get the money freed up. I have a new camera and empty coffee cans. 

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James-I have pondered (weak & weary) about making castings for ore cars...and heck, I can build 3 of them in the time it takes to make a mold and mess with that and it may all be for naught (many a quaint and curious volume) when I pull the warped castings from the mold. I need 3 or so wooden flats or stake sides and they are pretty easy to hack together...just getting those dadgum trucks! Sure, there may be some others who would like a nice set of resin castings for 1:35n2 ore cars but then if you charged them for your time & materials, SOMETHING would not be right...the end sills are 2.5 scale inches too long, the bolsters need more NBW's, etc..

Remember Daniel Caso (quote the Raven)...he is happily making his own stuff now and is recovering from the kit business (nevermore). Yep.      Woodie

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Woodie,

Trust me I have no intention whatsoever of offering any kits for the ore cars. I also don't plan on resin castings. I'll stick to building them one by one like you. They are a love/hate relationship that needs to be maintained. Part of me loves building them for the challenge, part hates the boredom, part loves the finished model, part hates the fact I have many more to build.

I have a lot left to do and time is running downward not increasing. No way I'm starting a business. I have no intention finding out anything else the hard way.

I checked with Wayne at Discount Saturday about the trucks - they are still on order; no idea when they'll be available. I have trucks enough for five ore cars.

It was nice out today - guess you ran a train or two. 

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James-yes, trains ran today! Here's something: the Favorite Spot may have Bachmann #29901 trucks cheaper than anyone else. Might have to check this out, the business owner is an Outlaw! Bachmann shows the trucks being available "first of the year"...well...what year? Those Foothills WSLCO On30 trucks may be what I want since I plan to build some wooden flats/stake sides which look like Gilpin cars, how well do they roll?

I wasn't talking about you starting a model rr business...just pointing out the pitfalls of doing such a thing. Hang on to your Caso coaches, they are the last of the breed! I recall some of the finescalers talking about "maybe I will order one sometime in 2017 or so"...ya snooze, ya loose! (I will probably hear about that). Anyway, I have a small mold for the ratchet & pawl which you may use to make some parts. I was thinking about offering them for sale but realized that with the work involved, I would need about 30 bucks per. I just heard that lead balloon falling...    Woodie

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Hello all...

Just so you guys don't think I've been yanking your collective chains all this time I'm posting a picture I shot of the section my grandson and I are working on. This is actually the second section I've been designing but it's the first to actually have ties glued down.



And this shot was taken by my grandson of some old fat guy sanding ties...



I've already taken some shots with the ties revealed and will be posting those in the next couple days. Tonight I started laying the first switch into place. Gulp!!

We'll see...

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James-looks like some very excellent work... usual for you. The fellow on your back porch sanding ties...looks familiar.  That Woodland Scenics grade maker is the best thing yet, it makes a nice transition from flat to grade, hard to do otherwise.  I probably should have used that on my layout, that's one reason that I made the Shays' trucks equalized, so they would handle the abrupt changes. When you get up & running, I will bring them over so they can feel real trackwork under the wheels!

Git to work, Paw Paw...                              Boudreaux  

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Finally getting some rail down.  Let the op session begin.  Look forward to seeing the progress now that the track work has begun.

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Well, I'm a' waiting for the news on the handlaid switch (turnout to overseas folks). How's it coming?  Expiring minds want to know.

I remember when my mom would tell me to go "git a switch"...Is that the same thing?                               Boudreaux

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With my head held low - so I don't have to look you in the eyes - I'm using a pre-fab switch on this one (still a stub, though). I told you I was a wimp when it comes to hand laying. I've never hand laid a switch in my life and it scares me to no end. No - I don't know why.  :sad: I guess it's just the thought of making one or several mistakes. Funny, too, as I don't have that same fear at all in scratchbuilding those ore cars. (No...they ain't pre-fab!!)

I have looked at it over and over and wondered why I didn't just try to build one but - oh well.

Everything is in position though. I'm waiting for William to come over this weekend to help me distress the ties a bit and stain them. Then I'll spike the little sucker into place and start adding the connecting rails. I could have had all this finished but really want to include the little guy as much as possible.

I do promise to try my hand at laying a switch in the yard section 'cause I just know you'll call me a loser if'n I don't at least make the effort. Maybe you can bring that mulberry bush switch over and threaten me (that's the kind my Momma always made me go get out of the alley. And if it wasn't big enough I'd have to go back and get another.)

(He walks off dejected by all humanity...laughter and finger pointing following his every step.)

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It was a peach tree switch, much springyer and able to raise a nice whelp. These days that is considered child abuse, but back then it was considered "training". In your case, it might be a basswood tie switch. Shame, shame, shame...after all, it's only 65 cents of rail!  Remember that your MMR certification depends on this.

                                        Woodrow

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W C Greene wrote: Shame, shame, shame...after all, it's only 65 cents of rail!  Remember that your MMR certification depends on this. 
                                   


Yes, I want the MMR certification so I can put it next to my name on all my emails. The only problem is the NMRA will recognize it but the National Model Rairoad Association won't. (We'll see if that gets a, "Huuuuh?" from anyone.)

I promise I will build the ones in the yard but I might need help for the three-way.

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Come on James, man up :bg: and just lay the thing.  So if you make a mistake, you learn.  Come over and I'll show you the best way to get 'er done.  Or if youwant to go it alone, before you lay the first one on the layout, build one at the work bench just for practice, then go to it.  After the first two turnouts, it will start to come natural and you'll wonder why you didn't start sooner.  Besides, a stub switch is easier to lay than a point switch.  As you know I have laid a couple of turnouts in my life time and I know you can do it.  The work you did on your ore cars was super.  :apl:

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My grandson was over Easter weekend so we worked on the layout section a little. We had to alter the position of some of the ties to make the track flow better.



We set the switch into place to get it lined up properly. Yeah, something we wouldn't have to do if it was just laid in place rail by rail.



The ties were given some texture and stained and the switch spiked into place. We started laying track into place but since it was Easter we had to go hunt Easter eggs and stuff our faces.

During the past couple days I've laid some of the track in place and adjusted the flow to look good. It's not perfect like a Class I railroad but it suits me.





I hope to have more done in the next couple days so William and I can start on a little bit of the scenery this Saturday. We'll glue some more foam in the areas where the scenery needs to be higher for the mine area and I'll let him slop in some Sculptimold.

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Here's one more shot of the overall layout from the front as it presently looks.


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Sullivan wrote:


During the past couple days I've laid some of the track in place and adjusted the flow to look good. It's not perfect like a Class I railroad but it suits me.





Isn't that all that really matters James? Of course since the president of the RR wasn't there the last couple of days he may require some re-work. :bg:

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He better not!! The track gang will go on strike. And like most presidents and desk-bound execs, he ain't very good at driving spikes. Heck, the track gang is bad enough. I don't know what the problem is but I've had a few of the little buggers bend when they hit a hard spot in the ties and glue on the cork...or it seems like a hard spot.

Now understand...like most execs these days, he's young and has soft hands. And his hand-eye coordination hasn't had time to develop properly. He will get better.

I am glad I started out working on this small section first to get back into the groove, so to speak. I just wish I had more time to work on it. It seems to really be going slow compared to the pace Woodie seems to maintain. But as long as I'm having fun... 

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James-looking great! I knew you could do this and it looks like the typical "Sullivan-esque" work. As for my fast work, remember that I don't have a job to do (except watch Bill) and plenty of time to fiddle. Also, years of custom work has caused me to work quickly so I could get paid (wish the customers would pay as quickly!). Keep on keeping on and before long, we will be at your place running trains.

                                             Woodie

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James, that hard spot is probably a "thick spot" of glue.  I have encountered this on my RR on occasion.  If you must have a spike in that particular tie, just pre-drill with a pin vise and tiny bit.  Looking good so far.  As far as speed, that will come as you lay more rail.

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Jim,

The "speed" part really has to do with getting more done on the section. Since I work every day (and it's been really stressful here of late) by the time I get home some days all I want to do is play couch potato.

Sure, I walk into the apartment with great plans to start on the scenery but that's as far as it goes some nights.

As to laying rail...yeah, I'm slow but sure and have some false starts and adjust things.

I'm taking a week off in May and hope to actually get some modeling done during that time. I'd really like to take a road trip to Terlingua but the finances have been checked and messaged and it doesn't look like it can happen this year.

Hope to have an update posted here soon... 

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I know the feeling.  My boss passed away back in March so the workload is much greater for the four remaining employees while we absorb his duties.  And that's a big pair of shoes to fill.   Also this year we have a huge new adoption for reading/language arts (about 1Mil textbooks) so he picked a bad time to check out.

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Gents,

I was working on the layout section the other night in preparation for William coming over this weekend. I had wondered whether to post any pictures or not because, although it's heading in the direction I want it to go (I think), it isn't the kind of "finished" pics that folks post.

Anyway, here they be...







Like I said, not finished by a long shot. However, I always wonder how people get from bare boards to the finished scene. Most never show these shots. I plan to do just that.

Right now it's just a mess of foam all glued up. How's that ever gonna look like desert country? Wait around and see (I hope)...

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James-

Any picture is a good picture, in process or finished!!



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Well it's good to see progress.  That's a good amount of work already.  Keep it up. :rah:

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Way to go James! Maybe with the RR president in house, you will get even more work done. That's a great way to do the mesa, I will use that idea when/if I make another something or ruther. Carry on, sir.

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Well, the prez came over today and after we went and secured yo-yos for the both of us, we preceeded to do a little altering of the landscape.



Looks pretty good...as far as starts go...if I do say so myself. You have to understand that little hands work slow and must be guided...gently.

Of course, there are times when big hands better work REALLY fast when little hands have just dumped three sheets of plaster impregnated guaze in the water all at once. Sigh...

Yes, a good day was had by all...



Hey, Prez, quit tapin' on the rockface!!



And no, he isn't crying there. In fact I didn't even yell at him until he took the black marker and scribbled on the patio fence. Sigh...

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OK, Boy Scouts...

Well, I got home this evening...and I do mean evening (long day), and felt like I needed a wind down something. Soooo...

I decided to go ahead and plaster in the rest of the foam that's showing. This way when the Prez comes over this weekend we can maybe work on getting a little rock-face and dirt down.

Here's what we've got so far...



 

This shot shows where the demolition crew blasted the foam back from the track area. This is where the tipple will be built.




Pictures are a sure-fire way to see all your mistakes. Right now this just looks like a bunch of foam covered with plaster toweling. Pretty static stuff. So I'll be praying to the gods of narrow gauge for the inspiration to turn this into something spectacular.

I mean, when I set this section out on the lawn at sunset I want to se the painted desert...Oooooh...pretty colors!!

Yeah...I need to go take my meds...

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Looking good so far.  I assume that your going to use molds for the rock work.  However, I can show you a faster way to cover the vertical sections with carved rock if you like.

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Here's a neat little shay that would be perfect for the Gila, Mogollon, or the Chisos. The picture is out of the element of these desert type operations but you can see what I mean, regardless.



The shay has a low, mean look to it and with that car following - it almost looks like a dedicated car to me - any extra electronic equipment could be loaded into it if a preson needed it for sound gear or what not.

I can't see what type of fuel the shay burns. There doesn't appear to be a coal bunker. I wonder if the following car has an oil tank hooked up to the loco? With a woods opreation that doesn't seem to make sense but stranger things happen. Hmmm...inquiring minds and all that...

Anyway, when the link was sent to one of the other lists I'm on I just couldn't help "borrowing" it. It is just too cool.  

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James-that is the original Shay-"Baby" with Ephiram Shay in the cab! This first one ran on his "Hemlock Central" logging line and also hauled some passengers around his property. I have looked at this one many times and it would be a cool one to build. The funny thing is that I believe it was 30" gauge so all those On30 guys wanting a truly prototypical Shay for their 30" lines need to get to work! What a charming photo of a historical locomotive. Thanks for posting it.

                        Woodie

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Woodie,

Well, that clears that up!

Thanks for the info...

I just thought it was so nifty I couldn't resist posting the pic.

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I found this information relating to the photo I posted:

The Harbor Springs Railway, chartered by Ephraim Shay on February 2. 1902, was a railway of 30 in guage built from Harbor Springs, Michigan on Little Traverse Bay on Lake Michigan. It was nicknamed the Hemlock Central because of the great numbers of hemlock trees growing in the area.

It was primarily a lumber-hauling operation, although summer vacationing tourists were carried for a fare of 25¢. It originally operated a route of seven miles to Stutsman and Race Mill; it was extended a further mile in 1904 to Carter's Mill. Small temporary branches were also constructed as well as the moving of the right of way when logging operations moved, as was typical for a logging railroad.

The line was laid with very light rail of 16 pounds per yard and worked by three locomotives built by the railroad to the design of its President and General Manager, Ephraim Shay. They were geared locomotives of the typical Shay pattern, but were unusual in that they had no frames, the boiler being the main structural component. The line was built and funded without debt (thanks to Shay's royalties and licenses from his locomotive designs) and by 1906, the investment in physical plant was estimated at $51,346.

The line ceased operations in 1911 and was dismantled in 1912.

The photo was taken in 1906 and is indeed Harbor Springs #1.

That Woodie - one sharp cookie!

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Any more progress on the layout?

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Like the Shay. I foresee a future engine (or cobbled up facsimile) on my 30" outdoor line. L:

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mopman wrote: Any more progress on the layout?

It's pretty much dead at this point. I left it set for a while and mulled over the potential that section had. It was just too static with too little opportunity for much action. I'm re-evaluating at this point.

I also have some other issues I'm dealing with and modeling has had to take a backseat for now. I'm hoping for the best and maybe I can get back to modeling soon.

 

 

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Best of luck with those issues Sully, whatever they may be. :thumb:

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Hope that things work out OK James


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Well, while James is taking some time off, his Chisos Tram ore car being used on the Mogollon Railway is bringing in loads to the smelter. Some time or other, the MRy management will have to "pay up" for use of the car with real 1:35 Pesos. I have known Mr. Sullivan for almost 40 years and he will be back....soon I hope.

                                     Woodrow

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Sulivan,

your section looks very interesting for me. Never thought about taking just a styrofoam board as section-base, without wooden frame.

Hoe did you connect the styrofoam boards of your section and how do you connect your single sections with each other?

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Juergen,

Actually, I took a lesson from ol' Woodie and the Mogollon Rwy . His entire railroad is on sheet styrofoam supported by camera tripods. I figured since the system has worked so well for him outside in all types of weather conditions, then surely it could work indoors in a climate controlled situation.

If you look at the pictures of the slab I've done so far you'll see a couple places where I've got extra pieces attached to the ends. These are simply glued onto the end of the longer piece using Loctite Power Grab foamboard adhesive on one and Dap Kwik Seal Plus for the other. One is totally unsupported and the other has a piece of plywood epoxied beneath it. Eventually, if I continue with this piece of the puzzle, the other end will also have a plywood board epoxied onto it. I'll use these as attachment points for the tripods.

As to joining the ends, there are no other sections built thus far. But I had thought about how I would do it. I plan to, again, epoxy plywood splice boards to the underside of one section. This would be done with 1/2 the width of the board under the foam and 1/2 sticking out. That part will act as a 'support' for the next section in line. Then that section will also have the splice boards on the other end. I still need to come up with a viable method of alignment so the tracks line up well but I have a few ideas in mind. I just won't go into those here and now. But I will say it could be as simple as using rail joiners.

Now, since the question has come up, I've stopped working on the section in all the photos at least for the time being. One of the reasons I've already mentioned. I've taken a long hard look at it and just don't feel it has any "oompf". It's very limited as to what it can give me operation-wise, a one trick pony. With the very limited space I have inside the apartment (two and a half walls of my bedroom at most), I have to be cruel, hard nosed, and realistic. So during my time away from modeling the Chisos I plan to do some design work and find a better plan.


So...OK...'nuff said! The section I've been working on has been a good test bed and I can move on from there.

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For those who've wished me well...

The issues I referred to have to do with health. I'm only 61 but some body parts are starting to cause me problems.

I've been to the doctors and received all sorts of testing, punching, and prodding. My 'numbers' (as they say) all seem to be fine but the issues remain and seem to come with buddy issues. :shocked:  So like any good doctors (plural here) "PRACTICING" medicine, I've been put on a regimen of medications to "see if this makes it all better". :rah:

Some of these meds come with some very, very interesting side-effects. I won't elucidate. You've seen the commercials. Oh Yeah...they're right!!

Now to be honest, I make it through some days fairly well. I still have to keep my job...no retirement in sight...no golden ring on the ride...no money tree growing around the corner. But by the evening after dealing with "the bosses" all day I am zapped and that's also when the the meds seem to play their little games with me.:sad:Go figure... Maybe I need to get a job at Walmart all night dealing with the PUBLIC. That would keep me active...and grumpier than I already am...

You might say, "You're from TEXAS!! Cowboy up!! :cb:  and get on with it...wah, wah, wah." and you'd be right to say it. But I ain't got no horse, I don't wear no 10 gallon fedora, and I ain't got no cowboy boots, so there! Today I'm feeling pretty spiffy and have for the last day 'er so. I'm either getting used to the good ol' side effects or the meds are actually working. WHEEE!!

Why, I'm even thinking of working on a couple ore cars this weekend. We'll see what the Prez sez...

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Well hang in there.  We'll be on the other side waiting to see the new plan.

Meanwhile, James (my son) is coming over this evening so I will get a chance to see how things go with cycle one of the CC&WB system.  I hope it's worth the work to fill out all that "paperwork".  Thankfully there weren't THAT many cars...around 60 I think.  If everything works out, we'll try to schedule a Op Session so you can check it out.

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Hi all,

Well, I'm trying to get my focus back in order so this past Monday I worked on some more ore cars for the tram way. I've also included a box car I'm working on in the shot.







I've got five more ore cars in various states of completion. The big thing going on is the box car. I've been working on it on and off for a while. There have been a couple false starts with it but so far I'm fairly OK with it.

One thing I did note is the height of the coupler pocket on the ore cars compared to the box car and I need to decide whether to add some spacers to the ore cars or just leave well enough alone and use an off set link to make the couple.

The shay I'm working on will have a three-space coupler pocket on it so that may be the way I'll go.

Any thoughts on the issue will be appreciated.

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Woooow!!! :2t: I love that kind of rolling stock and yours is very nice!!! Could you post more pics of those ore cars? I want to model a couple of these.

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James-this is Woodrow using Muj's computer. I could tell about how AT&T are liars, but won't get into that here...they are probably watching! Next week, the computer will be back on line. I am glad to see you are working on stuff again, those cars are looking great. For running to the rotary on the MRy, the brake wheels need to be level with the tops of the car bodies...but that's just on my crazy line. This being without "service" for a few days has caused me to get back to "work" also. Far less time spent sitting in front of a screen and reading stuff...more time running trains and covering up when it starts raining. I can't wait for a nice hot drought! Lucas seems to be interested in the "Silver City" ore car project...let's see how interesting it is after maybe 6, 10, or 19 such cars! Hoo Ha!

Keep on keeping on...things will get better...or not!

                               Woodie

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James

Sorry to hear that you are having problems.

Ore cars sound like good therapy.

As to the difference in coupler pocket height- weren't cranked, or offset links, fairly common?


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Those are great looking-cant wait to see them in service!

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James-Herbie is right about those "cranked links", loggers coulden't run without them! Knowing you, your trackwork will be laid nicely and to NMRA accepted standards so your links may work just right. On the "other hand"...with bumpy roller coaster track, I have found that I need longer links, some "cranked", all with rather large holes for the pins to wiggle in. And those 10 foot poles are a wonderful tool for keeping things on track pushing or pulling.

Mopman believes that I should use car cards for operations, I keep telling him that the cards would melt outside. As I remember, you were the guy who sold him on that scheme. Of course, I have seen flying pigs, so anything is possible.

            Keep working, it will make you feel lots better.

                              Woodie (using BC's computer)

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Woodie/Muj:  James didn't sell me on CC&WBs but he did confirm that was the way to go.  It was the operation of Tony Koester and Joe Fugate's layouts that started me on the track with CC&WBs.  Believe me they have made a big difference in the way the layout operates.  It's an whole new kind of fun.

 On your layout I would only use car cards for the oddball cars (box, tank, etc).  The ore cars to me are somewhat self explanatory i.e. loads to the smelter...empties (or mty's) to the mines.

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I'm at work so not much time to post right now.

For Lucas: I'm working on some parts for the car so I can lay them out for you to see what I start with. Of course, a close-up of the assembled car is on Page 1, my first post for the Chisos. I will also try to have some dimensions for you.

For the rest of you guys. Yeah, I needed to get my focus back and get away from all the irritating facts of life. I decided I would need more ore cars and had the parts all cut so went for it.

As to operation, I have a loooong way to go to have anything to run these babies on. I am working on a plan for the yard area and will concentrate on that before tackling any more mining areas. As you will remember I had started one but became disenchanted with the way it looked and especially the amount of action it would give for the space. I don't have a backyard to use...yet.

Car Cards: This is the way to go for a good sized layout if you don't want to invest in a computer program for printing out switch lists. That involves in-putting all the info for cars and towns/industries before anything can work. Mistakes can be made with this type of system and can take a little bit to straighten out at times. Been there...

The Chisos will use hand written switch lists...eventually...for all equipment including extra runs. Hitchcock uses that method for his RR (with car cards as backup).

More later... 

 

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James-I have decided to go the train order route...I will print the forms on homemade paper with a Gutenburg press that Muj has somewhere. The ink will be made from cactus juice and scorpion venom. The pencils to be used will be made by a Mr. Thoreau at his company in the woods. I will try to  be authentic in every respect and above reproach from punters and pitnickers.

Just when you thought I had faded into the shadows...I'm baaaaack!

                                           Boudreaux

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Homemade paper-my butt.  It comes in rolls and is perforated every 5 inches. Just remember NOT to use the brown side.


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Herbie-the pitnickers use the brown side to write on. Just thought you'd like to know.

     James-I refuse to hijack your thread.. Chisos is a mysterious place and I believe the dreaded chupacabra lives there also. Nicht whar?

                                    Woodrow

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When good friends get together for a chuckle or a pint there is no hi-jacking. I enjoy good-hearted banter as much as the next guy...unless the next guy is a rivet counter or a picker of nits.

And...ay...here thar be dragons and other mysterious beasties of the Jules Verne variety and perhaps more. Who knows?

 

On another note:

The Prez and I were getting parts together and photographed today. However, he wanted to use the 'puter to "work" so I was unable to download the pictures. He will be heading home later tomorrow so perhaps I can get them posted Sunday evening. I'll still need to post a few dimensions for those that want them.

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It looks like the problem with FreeRails disappearance also deleted posts from this thread.

The entire package of ore car pictures and construction notes is gone.

Since I didn't have that saved anywhere else it would be very time-consuming to re-construct and post again. Once I get over the loss perhaps I'll try to get something back up.

However, this time I'll make it a separate document and save to my computer.

The dreaded Blue Swirlies have won another round...

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James-

It would seen that the swirlies really have it in for you.

When you are done grieving, I hope that you give it a third---or is it fourth---shot.

A shot from a fifth is in order!!



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Very nice rolling stock :thumb:

Your "Gilpin" ore car are excellent

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Welcome to freerails! Actually, Sully's ore cars are built to Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon "specs" Ever so slightly modified for the Chisos Tram. I own one of these fine cars and had to "nasty" it up so it wouldn't make all my poor old ore cars look so bad. James is a consumate modeler and great buddy.

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Cail,

Welcome.

What Woodie said. I took the  drawings from a Gazette article, blew them up to 1/35th (my modeling scale) and then used what I wanted from that for my Chisos prototype ore cars.

They bear a strong resemblance to the Silver City cars but are shorter. After all, I have very little space for such a large size modeling scale. Woodie builds in the backyard. I live in an apartment with no yard.

Hopefully, in a couple days I'll repost the construction article that was wiped when FreeRails went offline a few days back.

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thank you !

I am impatient to read this article.

I draw actually my future layout and I must decide which ore cars I am going to use for my copper mine. I like scratchbuilding and these ore cars are a possible option for my little Porter


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Nice little locomotive Cail!




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Cail,

Yes, that is one smart little loco. Downright beautiful, actually. I think the Chisos cars would look fine pushed or pulled by that little loco.

I may be wrong but it looks like one owned by the Arizona Copper Co.???

Is it On30 or On3?

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Yes it's correct :)

I've buy a conversion kit to Backwoods miniatures for the 0n30 Bachmann Porter
http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/0n3kits.htm

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Cool.

I'll try to find some time tonight to measure my ore cars for 1/48th scale and post the basic dimensions. Mine are built using the the same Bachmann trucks that come on the On30 cars. They work, look good, and roll well. They also provide some much needed weight. One day I'll add a weight box under all my cars to place lead sheeting.

Of course, I am also either a glutton for punishment or an outright masochist since I use link & pin couplers. However, the box is a standard Kadee box for #5 couplers.

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OK...it's late but I'll make a quick post of the measurements of the ore car in "O" scale.

Length of the frame: 19' 3"

Width of the frame: 6' 9"

Bin Length: 13'

Bin Width: 6' 9"

Frame Thickness: 1"

Railhead to Top of Bin: 6' 9"

Hopefully this will give you some idea of the size. Since I have an On30 shay that I'm using to change over to 1/35th I can see that it works very well for "O" narrow guage "as is".

For those that miss the "naked" ore car photos and construction info, I promise I will be posting that again. This time I will write the info in a word file and use copy/paste for my posting. Spending over two hours on two separate occasions taught me a hard-won lesson.

Hmmm...kinda like spilling glue into your crotch...without the intense cold.

Y'all be good now...ya'hear?

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OK campers, I'm going to try one more time to give you all some basic (very basic) construction notes for my Chisos ore cars.

Here is a shot of one of the finished cars:



Here is a "naked" simi-built car:



Since a picture is worth a thousand words we'll see if that's true as I plan to only give the basis measurements and let the pictures say the rest.

Here are all the frame parts laid out, plus a finished frame (just happens to have the bin attached):



Frame:

(2) 1/4" channel (Evergreen #267), 4.73" (Frame Sides

(4) .080" x .250" strip (#169), 1.55" (Frame Ends & Bolsters)

(2) .080" x .250" strip, .675" (Coupler pad)

Here are all the parts for the bin laid out:



Bin:

All pieces cut from .030" sheet styrene

(2) .88" x 3.29", sides w/ 60° angle cut .54" from the top

(2) .54" x 1.64", end pieces

(2) .85" x 1.64", piece to attach below the end piece at the angle cut of the sides. These have a notch cut to fit as the bin fits inside the frame

Cut from .040" sheet styrene

(1) 1.81" (approx.) x 1.55" bottom piece - scribed for simulated drop doors. Since all cars may vary one from the other this piece may have to be adjusted to fit the space.

Angle to wrap around the top of the bin, 1/16" (#90502 Plastruct)

Angle to attach to side, 3/32" x 2.4" (#90503 Plastruct)

And this is a shot of all the pieces illustrated built into a basic car.



Obviously, I have added alot of detail parts but these should all be decided by the builder, should you plan on constructing one, not me. I've used a lot of different parts on mine to give it a more "this is a copy of a real prototype" feel. There are Grandt Line rivets and NBW castings, some .032 brass wire for support rods, some rivet pads on the ends I made up (not perfect by a long shot, but OK), Grandt rachet & pawl, and a 1/32 brake wheel that I got from a dealer in circus goodies.

Understand, I'm not trying to build a contest car. I want something that will operate once I get some track down to use them on. Anything more is overkill. I like the models to look good, sure, and these fill the bill for me.

Note:

I know the pictures are large but I thought they needed to be in order to properly illustrate the cars.

Thanks for looking. 

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Thank you !

I surely  try to construct one soon :)

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Wow! I didn't realize my last post was way back on August 14th last year.

I had actually stopped working on anything while I was packing and getting everything situated for a move to a different apartment complex. Lots of packing!

The move took place last November about a week before Thanksgiving here in the US. All the time since has been filled getting settled, unpacking and trying to find places for all my stuff.

This apartment is bigger but with less real stoarage space than the last. Because of that I've spent a lot of time going through all the boxes and eliminating what I can live without. I just didn't realize that was going to be such a big deal!

I finally have my work room laid out fairly well - not the final configuration by any means - but at least OK for now. Hopefully I can get back to work on the Chisos now.

I invite everyone to pester the heck out of me so I get off my good intentions and get something done to post. Woodie already pesters me so others can now take their turn.

I really think the yard area will be next. Then I will rebuild the track/mine area I had started back when. The area I have for sections is a bit less in this apartment.

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PESTER.....PESTER.....PESTER...

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PESTER---PESTER---PESTER

James, we all need a massive dose of this now and then!!


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Hopefully you will have a little more room since you were nice enough to lend/lease some of your HO equipment to the Van Buren Sub.  Thank you so much.  The equipment will be put to good use (as soon as I get the car cards printed).

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mopman wrote: Hopefully you will have a little more room since you were nice enough to lend/lease some of your HO equipment to the Van Buren Sub...
...and more to come. I spent a little time this weekend going through the boxes and pulled more out.

It's really a sorta funny/sad situation that I have offered a lot of stuff (gaming figures, books, 18th century reenactment gear) to people at absolutely no cost, just to know that it is going to be used and not in some landfill, and never hear anything from them or have them flatly turn me down...like I have some evil motive.

Fortunately, this is not the case with Jim and the HO equipment. The grain train looked really nice on his MoPac and is finally getting some use.

Thank YOU, Jim!

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You are more than welcome.  I got more car cards printed up today so I can get these cars in service.  Between you and David, I won't need to buy another piece of rolling stock.  LOL.

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Here are a couple shots of the snow around the apartment I live at. We had some really nice powder fall this past Friday. I hated brushing off the car and going into work...









We're supposed to get more this next Tuesday evening...we'll see. I could do without myself.

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OK...back to the Chisos.

Here is a shot of the wall in the master bedroom of my apartment where the Chisos will be built.



The yard will be supported on the bookcase in the right hand corner and I'll use camera tripods for support. I know that works having seen Woodie's in action.

The rest of the sections will be supported the same and extend over the desk on the right where my computer is now. I hope to make room in the work room for the computer as I relocate some of my overstock of railroading and gaming stuff.

This shot shows the really nice bay window in the bedroom. I plan to let the sections extend around this nifty curve. But that's in the future...one thing at a time.




Hopefully showing the site of the crime will spur me to action...

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James-you don't need that bed or anything else...just RAILROAD. When you get sleepy, the floor looks really nice. Nice digs, glad you got away from de hood and de thugs. When you get ready, Jim & I will drop by and "christen" the new layout with the required brews. Then your neighbors will believe you are a thug!

As the old lady said-"Whar's the beef?!"              Woodie 

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I don't know, Woodie-

With RC James could lie in the sack and operate watching the action through the telescope-------

Nice digs James!


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Thanks guys...

Actually, from the time I moved in I had considered putting the bed in the middle bedroom and using the master for the railroad and work room. The more I look at it I may still do just that.

I have a pln of the apartment and have drawn in all the furniture that has to fit in the middle BR. It's not a perfect plan but would allow a better layout space for the RR...and what's more important?

I just have to give some consideration to the grandkids coming over and spending the night or whatever. The one reason I'm keeping the living room off limits is so I have a nice place when the family visits (not often, granted).

At this time I'm still processing stuff and looking for homes for the gaming stuff I still have laying around and boxed up. That goes for all the HO stuff, though Jim (Mopman) has been kind enough to take a lot of the excess there.

I think Goodwill is going to soon be getting a major contribution...

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That's a neat place for having just moved in.  Yeah Woodie and I can come by and christen the carpet...err layout space.  Hope to see bench work soon.

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OK, just to keep everyone updated here...

Sunday I began the adventure of moving everything in the work room (bedroom 2) into the new trainroom/work room (bedroom 1) and vice-versa.

Did that make sense?

I had expected to get it all done in one day. Silly me. I managed to get the closets swapped and lots of boxes stacked in the way.

This goes back to when I moved in and thought about using this very configuration...woulda, shoulda, coulda...didn't.

I'll continue the great adventure tonight and see how far I get.

Not at all like Lord of the Rings and not near as much fun.

I'll post pics once the adventure is complete. Then the building (in ernest) of the new Chisos mining Tram begins. I plan to do regular updates of the progress, much like Woodie has for his Mogollon.

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Starting anew can be a good thing-although if it were my apt Id start by knocking those pesky walls between the two rooms down so the new Chisos can grow, then again, its not my security deposit...btw, book is on the way, should be there by thursday, Duane

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Yeah, Duane, I'm with you. But I've had enough trouble asking for other VERY minor changes. I was told I haven't lived there long enough for them to consider any changes (I'll post a pic & explain).

I figured using the master bedroom for all things railroad would be a good enough concession. I think I'll even have room for a turnback section.

As to the book...looking forward to it after all the positive reviews so far.

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James-after careful consideration and cypherin'..I have come to the conclusion that you should get a bed roll and sleep on the floor while building the railroad in the entire apartment. The grandkids will love it, they will be "campin' with Paw Paw", and you can build a big layout. Or you could just buy a motor home and park it over here and we can build a line down to the lake. Hmmmmm....

                                     Woodie-wait till' Muj hears about this!

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How about a mountain/Murphy bed (Mt Murphy)? Im still envious as my trains are strictly forbidden from entering the the warm, dry house.

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W C Greene wrote: ...you should get a bed roll and sleep on the floor...Or you could just buy a motor home and park it over here
Yeah, sure...uh...no...ain't gonna happen. These old bones prefer a real bed. I'm done with camping. However, once I finish the downsizing the motor home is a possibility. I just don't think Muj would care for two beasts parked in his yard.

Duane - all ya gotta do is get divorced and become a single parent for 15 years with everything revolving around them (not a bad thing sometimes), and when they get married the house is all yours. Oh, and ya can't have a girlfriend 'cause they like to run things, too.

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I think Id lose the trains long before the wife, Im blessed with an amazing wife. I think I could shoehorn the T y P into one of the kids rooms (in their 20's), but they dont show much desire to leave the comfy (and free) house. Hence the T y P is stuck in the garage

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I got the best of all of those things. I have a layout that is in my own shop off of my patio. The kids are grown and off on there own adventures in parenting and I have a wife who really likes what I am playing with. It keeps me out of the bars and the only thing missing in the shop is running water, got heat,cooling,carpet and if need be I got a camping cot and a chemical toilet. Life is good!
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I just received my copy of Duane Ericson's new book Sonora Narrow Gauge. I haven't had time to really get into it yet (since I'm supposed to be working for the man) but it's sure loaded with what looks to be really good stuff. Great illustrations, great pics (and plenty of 'em), and lots of research done.

I even saw a few color shots with...wait for it...DISMALS! Yeah! Dismal engines!

Thanks Duane!

 

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Ah but James, that one 50 tonner was SPNG X-1 at the "end" of it's career. The loco was reguaged to 56.5" later on. Dismals or not, a fascinating book, well worth reading while supposedly "working"..

                                 Boudreaux

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I only had time to leaf through the book...

It was in the in-box here at work and I just couldn't wait to rip open the package. As a matter of fact, I got caught looking through the book and had to make a sly move to keep from getting into trouble.

Oh well...and shame on me!

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Holy cow that was fast-I didn't get to the post office until Monday @10.

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OK, boyz...

I've been working every moment I could since last Sunday evening getting everything shifted around. As I stated previously, I wish I would'a done this when I moved in. As it was I had to move a little sump'n, and then sump'n else, and straighten that out...and then move sump'n else, and sump'n else, and then shift that someplace else...well...MAYBE you get the idea.

At any rate, here is a shot of the new location for the work table...left side of the room...



Here is the right side of the room where the first new sections of the railroad will go...



As I had said before, I planned to use photo tripods but had to have storage space too so I'm gonna figure out the best way to use these as support.

Here's the end of the room with that beautiful bay window...



Some of this is still a work in progress as I find places to relocate some things.

Here is the right hand side again with the original first section of the Chisos setting on top for the time being. Some might remember the construction photos I posted way back when.



And finally, here is a closer shot of the work table...



This is the master bedroom in the apartment but you'll notice the absense of a bed. This is all railroad now (plus supporting equipment) and I can only do that because I don't have a SWMBO to say otherwise.

Let the wise cracks begin...

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Ah, I love it.  Nice move to switch bedrooms.

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James-good move! One thing I will note is IT'S TOO CLEAN! You need junk, crap, parts, spilled paint and glue, and some stuff being built. Otherwise, all is great.

                                      Woodrow

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Let the fun begin!

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James, as we discussed the other day, I think that you should make some 1/2" or 3/4" plywood squares that would attach to the tripods and then give better support to the sections. I decided to do that on my layout and finally have now made the move to actually do it. I think the squares could be attached to the tripod camera mounts with some screws or maybe nuts & bolts and then if tou want to hold the foam sections more securely, get some drywall screws to go through the plywood into the foam undersides. If you do this, please post some pics so others so inclined or reclined can follow along. Now, git back to work!

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Woodie,

I'm working that out this week...can't decide whether to attach the plywood pieces to the foam and have a nut on it to screw the tripod to or not. It might be wiser to do as you say; mount the plywood to the tripod and have screws go up into the foam. More adjustable that way.

I did figure out what to use to align the pieces with one another...door hinges.

I'm mounting masonite to the side ends and screwing door hinges to that. The hinge pins are removeable and when inserted line the sections up. I will probably put some kind of pin system into the ends of the sections also.

 

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It looks like it's time for another update on the fate of the Chisos Mining Tram.

As most of you are aware I moved a while back and everything pretty much got sidelined. Well, I'm back to cooking now and I'm starting (kinda) over. I'll be working from the yard area around.

The first hurdle was how to support the foam sections. One of my good friends is Woodie Greene of the Mogollon. He uses camera tripods for support (as well as various cut-offs of 1x2's and the like). I figured if it works for him then I can use the same method.

So here we go...



...the standard tripod in all it's glory.

Here is the method I'm using for the end closest to the wall. This end stands on top of a convenient bookcase.



I had wondered how I could keep the ends lined up and several methods came to mind. I also got some input from the boys at the Gila and Goat. That's another story...

I decided to first put in some splice plates - little end rests...



These are made up of some squares (sorta) of 1/4" masonite epoxied AND screwed into the foam base. Yes, Virginia, foam will hold sheetrock screws! Just don't expect forever. Kinda like the ol' death do us part thing.

I cut some 1/2" ply to attach to those and screwed them in place.

Then the two sections were joined.



You'll note in this picture that there's a piece of ply all lonesome in the void there. When I went to set the spacing not all the tripod ends wound up under splice plates. And no, I did not figure they would. This was actually planned.

I'm using 1/4 -20 3-prong T-nuts to hold the camera adaptors...



...and yes, that piece of ply is really just screwed into the foam - no glue!

With all this in place I just mount the foam sections onto the tripods and true it up - a little more to that than just sayin' it - but it works.



I realized after my little photo session that planning was not my strong suit tonight because I didn't take a picture of the whole set-up for you all to ponder.

That will come tomorrow...

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So...I've been thinking over how this little mining road needs to progress. I've assembled the first major section...as you've seen above...and decided these need to just stay together for good.

Next I started laying out switches and tape to establish the track plan for the yard area. I knew it would have to be pretty compact since I don't have that much space to work with.

Here is the layout plan as it stands now...



Pretty simple...

Small yard...couple holding tracks, runaround, through track to the furnace (for those not in the know, mercury is extracted fron cinnabar by cooking it in some way), an engine service area, and two tracks to the mines, the high road and the low road.





The main book I've used for a lot of my initial research is Quicksilver, Terlingua & the Chisos Mining Company by Kenneth Ragsdale.

 

The Chisos Ming Company never had a railroad...but now it does...

I'd appreciate any feedback from you folks about the plan so far.

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EXCELLENT! FAR OUT! COOL! and all those other 60's things. The CMT is coming along nicely, you have made some great progress. Is that a 3 way switch I spy? Mopman and I are waiting for the golden spike or colden brew or whatever you plan to have when the line is operational. Of course, your method of attaching the pieces to the tripods is far superior to mine...I just stick em' on and keep going.

                                  Woodie

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I'd like to see closeups of the 3-way stub and the other stubs.

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Dwayne,

You got 'em!

Woodie has already berated me for not building my own. Eventually I'll have to bite the bullet and just do it.

The top switches are built by Cream City Turnouts. Fast service and really nice people to do business with.

I took a bunch of shots. Here are the best of the three-way...

This one gives a highlighted viewof the end where all the tracks converge...



Another...



Here is one of the regular switches...



...and the bent iron...what is that called? This is from the underside to show how the rails are pinned to the tie.



Here is the other type of switch. I really like these because the work is really excellent. The only problem I have is I ordered these in March 2009 and I can't get the balance of my order. At least I got three of them. These are built by Light Iron Turnout Co.




I hope these photos are good enough. If not just ask...

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Heart of mine be still...stub switches! Track envy!!!

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Really nice trackwork!

I would have put the rails closer at the end where all the routes diverge, so that the rails leading up to the switch don't have to bend so far---on the prototype they touch- but other than that, I can't find any fault (and that's one thing that I'm good at!)

Woodie is giving you good advice (and that's one thing that HE'S good at!) about switches being easy to build. You have examples right in front of you now to copy--give it a try!



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Herb Kephart wrote: ...I would have put the rails closer at the end where all the routes diverge...Woodie is giving you good advice...about switches being easy to build.



Herb,

Yes, I would have built those a bit different, too. The three-way looks pretty good though. I like the way Gary at Light Iron does his...I just can't get the balance from him (and he's a 'friend').

Woodie is right. I'm just chicken to try. Guess that needs to change. I have all the materials close to hand. Granted, he builds his in place. I think I'll try 'at the workbench' first.

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James-I have been building most of the switches off layout these days. I am adding those 2 extra sidings we talked about on the workbench. Using r/c, we can solder the rails to brass ties and just glue it all in place with some wood ties here & there. I know you can make switches...I dare you...double dog dare you!

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Wow James.  That is looking good.  I can't wait to see what else you have planned for your mining empire.

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Thanks James. Appreciate the photos as I'm always looking for shots of stubs since my plan is to always scratchbuild my own. The more references I have the better. :)

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Dwayne,

I just sent you a PM with the contact information for Jerry Wilson. He offered some manuals for constructing stub turnouts - probably still has them.

If anyone else would like these books let me know. I have no financial interest involved - just think everyone ought to have info to hand.


PS...

I just called Jerry and the books are still available for $12.95 each. He said in about another month he'll have a video available on building stubs.

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Thanks for the info James. :thumb:

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I took a tip from a certain friend and did a little track layout I could follow locating switches and track on the yard section of the Chisos Mining Tram.



Again, if anyone has any advice, fire away. However, this is pretty set in foam right now.

I may have changed my mind as to what will follow...but that's all for a different day. Right now, let the track laying begin...

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Hey James--

I know where there's a four way stub that the owner can't figure out what to do with----



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Well, there's that extra yard trackage up at the smelter. I'm sure Jim (mopman) would appreciate the extra working space.

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In the long run, we will all benefit from the extra trackage at the smelter.

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James-that spray painted track is great! Since you wre using r/c, you will have no problems. Of course, you might consider hooking up the steering from the car board to let you "steer" the locos through the yards. Thinking(?) about this, what if you just used one truck and squished it down into the foam where you want track, this would cause a kind of "flangeway" in the foam and the train could follow that. Will wonders never cease?

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OK...while this has no particular bearing on the Chisos per se, I finally received my first subscription issue of NGDU today. It seems there was a bit of a snafu down under but that was all worked out.




Hopefully this weekend sometime I'll make my next update to the actual RR. I have been working on it a little this week and I have the grandkids over right now. Track IS BEING LAID...allbeit slowly. Handlaying takes time.

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As I stated in my last post, I planned to finally get more done on the first section of the new Chiso, the yard area. As you remember I taped everything off and sprayed the areas where the track would eventually be located (more or less).

I began with the three-way turnout and began placing ties there. I had considered just getting those ready for spiking, but since I actually hope to move a tiny bit more quickly, decided to go ahead and place ties in a few other places adjacent to the 3-way also.

This is how that area now looks...



I figured it couldn't hurt to add ties to the main track leading off the section and so they have also been laid...



Here are pictures from either end as it now sets...





CROOKED TIES!!?? I DON"T SEE NO CROOKED TIES!

There is still plenty to be done before I can spike it all in place and add rail. I still have to distress the ties and stain them. Some might tend to do this first - at least the staining part - but because this is 35n2 I simply feel the ties look better to have  abit of roughness added first.

Call me a glutten for punishment but this is how the ties of the first ever section were done and I really like the look.

And yes, at least twice I started to work on spiking that 3-way into place before catching myself that there was still work to do cosmetically.

So right now I'm watching glue dry...

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They look great, and although it is tempting to throw track and scenery on it, patience will pay dividends later...

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I don't see no crooked ties neither! Work is progressing quite well, before long trains will be running. That tape & spray paint track plan really does the trick, makes for easy tie location and flex track could be laid the same way. BTW-how are you going to throw the switches, and the 3 way? You can use a nice PSC O scale harp stand but if you want to throw the switch with it, you need to stiffen it up by soldering a piece of steel wire to the lever. The cast brass is too soft to hold up very long in actual operation. Of course, the stand could be working and the switch thrown with knob & rod or a servo, etc. Whatever you come up with should do the trick.

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Thanks, Duane. Yes, but hard to resist surging forward when one is 'in the mood'.

Woodie...when you consider how long ago I actually started this venture... Well...stellar time has moved faster. Maybe in another two years trains will roll. I hope for sooner rather than later.

As to throwing the switches I'll use the PCS  harps for eye candy but more than likely use knob and rod to actually move them.

On to the next phase. I roughened up all the ties I have laid thus far.

I like to use a razor saw with fairly wide teeth for this...



I just rack down the ties, some harder than others to get more grooves, until I like the way they look, more or less.





Then I use a steel brush...



...to do a little cleaning and finishing.



Easy-peasey.

It doesn't look like much, but the results, once weathered in, are pretty decent.

Next. Weathering or 'staining' the ties. Then, on to laying track, starting at the 3-way switch.

 

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Nice work, and I'm impressed with what you've done with your limited space. I've been shamed into doing SOMETHING for a layout. If you can do all that with the space you have, I have no excuse. Let the planning commence.

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James, once you get rail spiked you can run trains.  All that ballast and scenery and crap can wait until everything has been tested and derailment free.  That means running trains.  I like the way you distress the ties.  I have used the same method on my layout.  Keep up the good work and you'll be running trains in no time.

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Sledhead,

Actually, I feel like I've got quite a bit of space next to some people, not near enough compared to others. No basements here in Texas, no garage attached to my apartment.

I took a hard look at the area I have. It's 14' down one wall, 12' across the room (curving around the bay window space), then about 8' available up the other wall. That's a pretty good run for apartment living. For now I'm content to just work on the first section.

This first section is about 8' long. It's 18" wide most of that length, narrowing to 14" for about 30" where it contacts the wall by the closet door.

I keep getting shamed for not having something already running since I've been talking about this and working on and off for at least two years. Some of that time was spent building ore cars and starting but never finishing other projects.

I actually took time to build the grandkids a tabletop HO railroad. That was taken apart when I moved last year.

I keep wishing I could just retire and work on the Chisos but that ain't gonna happen anytime too soon (like never!).

But I will encourage you to build something. It does not matter if it ever gets finished. You'll learn valuable lessons. And you'll still be way ahead of all the arm chair guys who have been planning their railroads for the last 20-odd years and never built anything.

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James-all should know that EVERYTHING you want in 1:35 scale HAS to be scratchbuilt! No green boxes and fancy structure kits. So what if it takes years, you will have immense joy in that time building cool stuff. As I have said, if Bachmann ever comes out with a 35n2 loco, I will get into airplanes or rebuild old MG's. I don't see that happening, along with r/c....they just don't know what's good!

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Another huge benefit of starting a layout is it helps prevent interest drift. Without a tangible railroad of some kind, I have a hard time staying interested in any particular railroad. It really sucks to spend all that time detailing and building rolling stock, tweaking it to get it to sound and run great, and then setting it on the shelf to look at. It's a real buzz-kill.

I don't have QUITE the space you have, but I do have a garage with room for a 10x10 L shaped shelf. If I make it out of foam, I figure I can set it up in the living room as a temp layout and running warmer climes.  Yep, I'm gonna do it.

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I agree. My problem lately is that I spend more time on gun forums and shooting competitions than playing with trains.

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W C Greene wrote:
James, as we discussed the other day, I think that you should make some 1/2" or 3/4" plywood squares that would attach to the tripods and then give better support to the sections. I decided to do that on my layout and finally have now made the move to actually do it. I think the squares could be attached to the tripod camera mounts with some screws or maybe nuts & bolts and then if tou want to hold the foam sections more securely, get some drywall screws to go through the plywood into the foam undersides. If you do this, please post some pics so others so inclined or reclined can follow along. Now, git back to work!

                               Woodie


Just to add up what Woodie said, you may get high quality from Micro fasteners, they have lots of fastening accessories that you will be needing-whether its bolt, screw or nuts... Google them to see their products! hope this helps! :glad:

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… WATCH THIS SPACE …

 

It’s been quite a while since my last post concerning the Chisos Mining Tram.

 

The earlier exercises were, I suppose, just that; exercises. I wasn’t all that pleased with the track plan I had for the yard area. Not that I will ever be completely pleased since my space for any kind of railroad is so small. I should be working in “N” scale.

 

As for the earlier work that is featured in the last several posts, all those ties have been pulled up. I did not want to waste the foam, and the ties, though special ordered, were cheaper and I have lots (and lots) of those.

 

I am working on a new track plan. Again, there is no way I will be completely happy with it since I only have about fourteen (14) feet to use. It’s times like this I wish I had a back yard, like Woodie, to fill with sections of railroad. Alas, I have to be creative with my space utilization.

 

The only spoiler I’ll throw out for the new plan is to say that I certainly was a fan of a plan by a fellow named Chuck Yungkurth. I’ll leave it at that and see what I can manage in the space I have.

 

Regardless what I do it’ll still be slow going since I spend an inordinate amount of time on the weekends with my grandkids and work for the man all week.

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Yungkurth...that's a name from the way back RMC machine! You had better get with it, the miners are getting itchy waiting for a railroad.
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That is some nice track work and scratch building you have there.

You talk about your space issues, but mine trams and on30 can be done in very small spaces. My LHS used to have an on30 display layout built on two 2x4 foot panels. They ran Bachmann porters on it without problems. I think they were running on maybe 10 inch radius curves.

But if you really wanted to go smaller you could do HOn2.5 by using N scale mechs and trucks. Although, I must say your ore cars and other models look great and you should figure out how to stay with the on30.

Thanks for all the pics, especially your ore car building ones. I look forward to more updates.

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I agree with Herb about the turnouts But if it works dont fix it

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Not to be a sour puss or anything but this stuff is not On30. That's why I rant over space issues. I'm actually building in the same scale as Woodie with the Mogollon, 35n2. It takes a lot of space. So I have to condense things a bunch to build indoors, and in an apartment to boot. I can't attach things to the walls and have to be careful not to ruin the carpet, etc.

If I wanted, I could get out all my stored Sn2 or HO standard stuff and build a very feasible switching layout in 14 feet (plus a little). I still want to try to defeat this monster that is 35n2. I have a lot invested and want to make use of it.

Of course, part of the problem is time, too. Not enough of it when one spends a greater portion of the day working for Mr. Man. I also spend a disproportionate amount of time with the grandkids (I have three) because they love to come over and keep me from getting anything done besides helping them build blocks, legos, or draw. Gotta love 'em!

I'll get the fire built back shortly and get something brewing. (Heh, he said brewing!)

 

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Yes James, I DO understand about space issues, etc. I would love to have "proper" sized mines and smelter on my layout but these things take too much space in 1:35 scale..even when you have all outdoors to use. Go backwards into a smaller scale? No way I would do it now, I love the "just right" feeling of 1:35/1:32...O is too little, 1:20.3 is too big, this is it. (Goldylocks jabber). As James found out, this larger scale is a scratchbuilders' paradise and he is like I am...a scratch builder. We both would probably get into something else if Bachmann announced a "line of 35n2 ready to run equipment"...I trust Mr. Lee Riley (Bachmann) isn't reading this or he might see an economic "bird on the ground". James and I could use our r/c stuff on boats or cars if needed! LOL
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W C Greene wrote: I trust Mr. Lee Riley (Bachmann) isn't reading this or he might see an economic "bird on the ground". James and I could use our r/c stuff on boats or cars if needed!
Planes, Woodie. I'd get into planes. Mmmm...maybe boats. Join the group that does battleships and blows each other out of the water. Yeah...that's the ticket!

Hmmm...planes bombing battleships!!??

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That sounds like a lot of fun on a Saturday afternoon.

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North Texas Battle Group-that's the ticket.
OK-airplanes...in the Big Bend, Pancho Villa's men were bombed by early DeHaviland biplanes...the first time bombs were dropped from aircraft. So, see, your Chisos area is historic indeed. Now we're back to airplanes...
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Sullivan wrote:
Not to be a sour puss or anything but this stuff is not On30. That's why I rant over space issues. I'm actually building in the same scale as Woodie with the Mogollon, 35n2. It takes a lot of space. So I have to condense things a bunch to build indoors, and in an apartment to boot. I can't attach things to the walls and have to be careful not to ruin the carpet, etc.

If I wanted, I could get out all my stored Sn2 or HO standard stuff and build a very feasible switching layout in 14 feet (plus a little). I still want to try to defeat this monster that is 35n2. I have a lot invested and want to make use of it.

Of course, part of the problem is time, too. Not enough of it when one spends a greater portion of the day working for Mr. Man. I also spend a disproportionate amount of time with the grandkids (I have three) because they love to come over and keep me from getting anything done besides helping them build blocks, legos, or draw. Gotta love 'em!

I'll get the fire built back shortly and get something brewing. (Heh, he said brewing!)

 


Oops musta missed where you said what scale it was. Yikes that's pretty big. I see the issue now.

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Dehavilands? You Texans always seem to get better stuff than us New Mexicans: We were given Curtis Jenny JN3s to chase Pancho Villa in the boondogle remembered as the 1916 Punitive Expedition! iirc they were listed for a maximum ceiling of something like 5500 feet-when the runway in the valley at Columbus, NM was 4000 feet. They couldnt even fly over the low passes unless they were nearly out of gas. within a few months nearly all of the planes had crashed or been abandoned.

HIJACK OVER

Sullivan-You mentioned that you enjoy spending time with the grandkids-is your layout low enough that you could leave an area unscenicked so that they could play with legos, cars and whatnot?

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Duane-from a distance, the DH4 looks pretty much like a JN4 (Jenny) so I guess it don't matter much. The DeHaviland was set up to "fight" but the old Jenny wasn't. Yep, we gets the good stuff in Texas. I believe old Gen. Pershing was in charge of all this. James might like to know that there is a 1:32 kit for the DH4...if he's interested in aerial shenanigans. Now, back to mining and banditos...
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elminero67 wrote: WARNING: TEMPORARY OFF TOPIC THREAD HIJACK:

Dehavilands? You Texans always seem to get better stuff ...
HIJACK OVER

...is your layout low enough that you could leave an area unscenicked so that they could play with legos, cars and whatnot?


There is no such thing as off-topic - unless you're bring up pole dancing or the like. We here at the Chisos find all variety of nonsense equally interesting. If you ain't having fun, why do it?

As to the layout height - not a chance! I have too little space as it is. And the kids have the whole apartment to play in...and usually have stuff spread all over.

Once I get back to working on the scenery I'm sure I'll have offers of help from all the little angels . Fortunately, I can take the foam bits out to the patio to sling plaster and dirt.

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Hi all,

It's been a long while since I posted anything actually related to the Chisos Mining Tram but here it is.

As you may remember I became disatisfied with the direction I was going and pulled up all the track and ties done thus far. Part of this was because of restrictions I had come to find would apply. So I now had only the main 14 foot wall and maybe a tad bit more to play with.  Here are the results as they now stand.

This is a sort of overall shot of one end of the newly proposed layout - the yard area. This is all I'm going to work on for a while.



Next is a shot I made from above the part you see above. This shows the placement of the turnouts. There is also one to the far left of the shot at the other end of the passing siding.



I know some of you will immediately say that this is all a bit compressed for really doing anything, especially the passing siding. Yes, it's short. It will accomodate a loco and two cars, maybe three, of the sort I'm building.

The yard has two tracks that will hold about five ore cars or anything else I want to put there. I may use the front track, the switch lead, to also service the loco, a small tank and coal dock. I know it again sounds really crowded but, gee, that's life, ain't it?

The next shot is a new thing I came up with for this time around. The entire thing is on casters...

 

This way I can roll it out from the wall if I want to add any kind of light weight backdrop or whatever else might be necessary.

The foam sheets will be removeable but I plan to make sure they will be attached to the thin frame (2" x 2") very well once all the track is laid and scenery started. That's another reason for the mobile framework. Since I live in an apartment I can't take any chances when it comes to doing scenery. It'll either move outside or roll over plastic sheeting.

The rolling qualities should also come in handy when it comes to taking photos. I won't have to worry about proper lighting, I can use the good ol' natural lighting that the sun offers.

Wow! What a concept. The best of indoors for building and operating during the hottest days of summer to the wettest, coldest days of winter. Yet I can move it outside when I want. That's the plan, anyway.

I'm sure some of you will have comments and I'll accept any and all - good or bad. I still have more planning to do and a lot of building, obviously. It'll go slow since I have my grandkids over so often but William is anxious to help. In fact we already built tie strip jigs today. I built mine and he built his. His may actually be better for the Tram; it's not as straight.

Anyway, that's it for now. More to follow...

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ALRIGHT! BACK TO WORK!
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Using masking tape to mock up where the track will be.. that's such a great idea. I'll have to remember that one.

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James-how's it coming along? Hopefully after the first of the year you can have track laid and train running. At least it could be a plan...keep the faith.
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Woodie,

How's what coming along?   :cool:

Actually, work is killing me with long days. I had vacation scheduled and that got cancelled on me. Now I'm trying to get them to agree to let me take it in January 2012 (the policy here is use it or loose it...no exceptions). I still had four days left.

Fate did step in for part of it. I got sick...a huge migraine that ran for three days. Finally had to take off long enough to go to the doc. He gave me meds and sent me home (102 degree fever to boot). That was for Christmas...yay...uh-huh.

The same day he looked at that finger I cut way back in October. It has failed to heal. They scrubbed it real good (ouch...ouch...owwww!) and put a splint on it that makes typing and everything else soooo easy.

It will get done........either that or I'll switch back to HO and lay flex. Yeah.

And to those who don't know me and feel it appears I'm whining about bad luck...I do keep an ample stock of cheese to go with it.

Taco bueno to all...

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WARNING: This update is only being made to keep the thread from a fate worse than death.

Nothing much is doing at the moment on the Chisos. I was over at Woodie's the other day for a bit. I learned there are some changes due for the Mogollon - in a good way. I hate he has so much space to work with but that's life, ain't it?

The finger I aluded to earlier is finally (after 4 months!) healing. It just won't bend.

I do plan to get some work done on the Chisos. It is not going away. I may even be able to have a little longer run than I initially thought. That's LITTLE bit!

I had honestly thought that once I moved into this apartment that I was gonna be gangbusters with the layout. It never happened, unfortunately. I would like to blame it on my grandkids but that would be pretty petty of me. After all, they're only over on Wednesday evening, Friday night, Saturday - mostly all day, and Sunday - again, mostly all day. That leaves me with Monday evening, Tuesday evening, and Thursday after Big Bang Theory. Gee, you'd think I'd have more done with 2-1/2 evenings a week!

Sheeeeeesh!!!???

More to come...

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James wm ...fellers..

I have come back to...as an inspirational message...that sitting at the workbench ..leads to nefarious things getting done..even if it is organizing the tools..

I  view model railroading in future.as doing little things as I want to , when I want to ..and enjoying all of it,..No major campaigns of model  or railroad building extravaganzas...just piddling at  or about the workbench or model railroad..this makes it fun..passes some time..and probably will bear fruit..in the form of a little extra narrow gauge railway..how fun is that...

Go forth and plant.../ harvest ..what ever...etc..

Charley

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James-the Chisos Tram will not die! Remember how long it took the DSP&P to dig the Alpine tunnel, the D&RG patiently waited and waited and when they couldn't stand it no more they built over Monarch or some such...Of course, the Alpine tunnel was deadly. What has this to do with Chisos, not a stinkin' thing...just a short note to let you know that we are still here. Try to make it over some time to run trains, you will learn new words from Jimbo. Later Gater...

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With the improvements you've made to the layout lately, we might not have to invent any new words. 

Jim

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Yeah, I really need to find some time and come over and run trains. You know, I've never really done that?! I just spend too much time with the little darlings. I do enjoy our adventures playing in the creek behind the park we go to.

As for the Chisos, I did get the loco rewired for R/C. I just need to check it out with a battery hooked to it.

Onward and upward!

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James-I have a place you can test out the r/c loco.

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