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 Posted: Sun Aug 8th, 2010 01:30 am
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Welcome to freerails! Actually, Sully's ore cars are built to Silver City, Pinos Altos, & Mogollon "specs" Ever so slightly modified for the Chisos Tram. I own one of these fine cars and had to "nasty" it up so it wouldn't make all my poor old ore cars look so bad. James is a consumate modeler and great buddy.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 9th, 2010 12:37 pm
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Cail,

Welcome.

What Woodie said. I took the  drawings from a Gazette article, blew them up to 1/35th (my modeling scale) and then used what I wanted from that for my Chisos prototype ore cars.

They bear a strong resemblance to the Silver City cars but are shorter. After all, I have very little space for such a large size modeling scale. Woodie builds in the backyard. I live in an apartment with no yard.

Hopefully, in a couple days I'll repost the construction article that was wiped when FreeRails went offline a few days back.



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 Posted: Mon Aug 9th, 2010 03:08 pm
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thank you !

I am impatient to read this article.

I draw actually my future layout and I must decide which ore cars I am going to use for my copper mine. I like scratchbuilding and these ore cars are a possible option for my little Porter




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 Posted: Mon Aug 9th, 2010 04:46 pm
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Nice little locomotive Cail!




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 Posted: Mon Aug 9th, 2010 05:13 pm
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Cail,

Yes, that is one smart little loco. Downright beautiful, actually. I think the Chisos cars would look fine pushed or pulled by that little loco.

I may be wrong but it looks like one owned by the Arizona Copper Co.???

Is it On30 or On3?



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 Posted: Mon Aug 9th, 2010 05:32 pm
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Yes it's correct :)

I've buy a conversion kit to Backwoods miniatures for the 0n30 Bachmann Porter
http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/0n3kits.htm



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 Posted: Mon Aug 9th, 2010 07:00 pm
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Cool.

I'll try to find some time tonight to measure my ore cars for 1/48th scale and post the basic dimensions. Mine are built using the the same Bachmann trucks that come on the On30 cars. They work, look good, and roll well. They also provide some much needed weight. One day I'll add a weight box under all my cars to place lead sheeting.

Of course, I am also either a glutton for punishment or an outright masochist since I use link & pin couplers. However, the box is a standard Kadee box for #5 couplers.



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 Posted: Thu Aug 12th, 2010 03:55 am
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OK...it's late but I'll make a quick post of the measurements of the ore car in "O" scale.

Length of the frame: 19' 3"

Width of the frame: 6' 9"

Bin Length: 13'

Bin Width: 6' 9"

Frame Thickness: 1"

Railhead to Top of Bin: 6' 9"

Hopefully this will give you some idea of the size. Since I have an On30 shay that I'm using to change over to 1/35th I can see that it works very well for "O" narrow guage "as is".

For those that miss the "naked" ore car photos and construction info, I promise I will be posting that again. This time I will write the info in a word file and use copy/paste for my posting. Spending over two hours on two separate occasions taught me a hard-won lesson.

Hmmm...kinda like spilling glue into your crotch...without the intense cold.

Y'all be good now...ya'hear?



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 Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2010 01:54 am
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OK campers, I'm going to try one more time to give you all some basic (very basic) construction notes for my Chisos ore cars.

Here is a shot of one of the finished cars:



Here is a "naked" simi-built car:



Since a picture is worth a thousand words we'll see if that's true as I plan to only give the basis measurements and let the pictures say the rest.

Here are all the frame parts laid out, plus a finished frame (just happens to have the bin attached):



Frame:

(2) 1/4" channel (Evergreen #267), 4.73" (Frame Sides

(4) .080" x .250" strip (#169), 1.55" (Frame Ends & Bolsters)

(2) .080" x .250" strip, .675" (Coupler pad)

Here are all the parts for the bin laid out:



Bin:

All pieces cut from .030" sheet styrene

(2) .88" x 3.29", sides w/ 60° angle cut .54" from the top

(2) .54" x 1.64", end pieces

(2) .85" x 1.64", piece to attach below the end piece at the angle cut of the sides. These have a notch cut to fit as the bin fits inside the frame

Cut from .040" sheet styrene

(1) 1.81" (approx.) x 1.55" bottom piece - scribed for simulated drop doors. Since all cars may vary one from the other this piece may have to be adjusted to fit the space.

Angle to wrap around the top of the bin, 1/16" (#90502 Plastruct)

Angle to attach to side, 3/32" x 2.4" (#90503 Plastruct)

And this is a shot of all the pieces illustrated built into a basic car.



Obviously, I have added alot of detail parts but these should all be decided by the builder, should you plan on constructing one, not me. I've used a lot of different parts on mine to give it a more "this is a copy of a real prototype" feel. There are Grandt Line rivets and NBW castings, some .032 brass wire for support rods, some rivet pads on the ends I made up (not perfect by a long shot, but OK), Grandt rachet & pawl, and a 1/32 brake wheel that I got from a dealer in circus goodies.

Understand, I'm not trying to build a contest car. I want something that will operate once I get some track down to use them on. Anything more is overkill. I like the models to look good, sure, and these fill the bill for me.

Note:

I know the pictures are large but I thought they needed to be in order to properly illustrate the cars.

Thanks for looking. 

Last edited on Sun Aug 15th, 2010 01:57 am by Sullivan



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 Posted: Sun Aug 15th, 2010 11:44 am
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Thank you !

I surely  try to construct one soon :)



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