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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 02:37 pm
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I agree. On30 might be the cheapest thing to build these days. If you are handy and know what to look for, at a train "flea market", you could buy a nice little old Mantua 0-4-0 or 0-6-0 or the old Pettycoat Junction 4-6-0 for 10 to 15 bucks! Old HO archbar trucks are a buck maybe...see where I'm going? If you scratchbuild stuff, you save a big bundle. The "high cost" of On30 is really a myth, all it takes to build a nice layout cheaply is to be able and willing to do it. The only thing I can counter with is "do you know how much a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk is?" You do what you can and if you can't, do something else.

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 03:48 pm
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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 05:15 pm
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W C Greene wrote: Tate-why did Harold quit? I really don't know. He had some neat ideas and concepts. When he did 55n3 (1:55 scale running on On30 gauge), he was very prolific but it appeared that he was the only one doing that scale/gauge in the US so without any support, he just quit, left the building. Maybe he is out there lurking, waiting...Harold, come back...

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I am back, put the websites back up:

Visit 55n3.org

Ride the On30 Pacific Coast Air Line Railway

Didn't quit just took some time off, would never stop because no one else is interested.

This is a really old thread, just used that title to get people to read the thread. Everyone takes titles so seriously, S scale is rather comatose since I started this thread. A bunch of old guys buying PBL and modeling the same scenes for Colorado.

The rose is off the bloom in On30 too. Narrow gauge is cyclical.

There are more possibilities in 55n3 than most other scales. The premise is: There is no "scale" only what an object measures. There is plenty of things for 55n3. It just requires being out of the "Scale box".



That is a PBL Sn3 Box car on HO trucks with an HO Mantua ten-wheeler converted to a 4-4-0 on Atlas code 83 flextrack. The figures are an undersized MTH "O", a converted Preiser 1/50 and a 28mm war gamer.  It becomes a "Narrow gauge fever" train of the 1880's in 55n3. There is more commercially available tranformable items than one can imagine.

This discussion with Tate was taken of Trains.com after I mentioned 55n3. I guess if Walthers doesn't sell that scale MR doesn't want it mentioned.

Harold

Edit: The PBL Sn3 car matches the Ohio River and Western 605 in 55n3. That car is the prototype for the On30 Bachmann car. With the price of On30 now, the PBL cars are almost as cheap.

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 05:36 pm
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Welcome back Harold.  You could try your hand at 1:37n2 next.  :P



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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 07:01 pm
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hminky wrote:
I am back, put the websites back up:

Visit 55n3.org

Ride the On30 Pacific Coast Air Line Railway

Didn't quit just took some time off, would never stop because no one else is interested.


...This discussion with Tate was taken of Trains.com after I mentioned 55n3. I guess if Walthers doesn't sell that scale MR doesn't want it mentioned.


It's great to hear from you again.

For anyone here who hasn't seen these websites, there's a lot of good stuff on them.

It really doesn't matter too much which scale you model in - a lot of the ideas would translate well regardless.

(I hope you don't mind me sidetracking, but the idea of using "mirrored" card to represent water is a good example of what I'm talking about. It would probably work over a wide range of scales - even if, round here, the stuff is normally sold in craft shops as A4 sheets.)


The comments about Model Railroader (and its forum) might well be very close to the mark - like a lot of magazines, MR relies on the ready availability of RTR to provide fodder for some of their articles (reviews and the like).

I wouldn't suggest for one second that they'd ever be in companies' pockets - but they'd be likely to want to base articles on mass market stuff that most people have heard of.

In a similar vein, I haven't noticed many scratchbuilding (or heavy kitbashing) articles recently in the mainstream railway modelling magazines I see in the UK.

It doesn't seem to matter if it's Model Railroader, Railway Modeller, British Railway Modeller or Model Rail - modelling articles don't seem to go much further than adding new grilles / handrails / repainting RTR. If we're really lucky, we might sometimes get a load of waffle about someone building a kit straight out of the box and only really telling us that they followed the instructions. (Thanks guys - I really wanted to know that!)

The days of a set of usable loco elevation drawings in every issue seem to be long gone - which might explain why I only buy magazines if they've got interesting articles in them.

Anyway, that's my rant over for now.


Saying all this, even though I don't post on the MR forum, I still check the Model Railroader and Garden Railways magazine websites every so often. Being registered there means I can download PDFs of plans and articles - which might give me ideas for future projects. I don't worry about the scale - that's easily sorted.


I think I've said enough for now - I'm sure we'd all prefer to return to the trains.


Huw.

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 08:40 pm
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Tate Pumfrey wrote: Do like the looks of the 2-6-0, 4-6-0, and porters from Bachmann, but I am absolutely disgusted by the overhang, and how wide stuff is compared to the track width. Partially why I plan to do Sn42. 

So let me get this straight, you would want to model narrow gauge yet are disgusted by the aesthetics of wide cars on narrow rails? So why exactly do you want to model narrow gauge then? L: Just get some regular HO trains and be done with it. Way cheaper and better suited to someone on a very limited budget and with little to no experience. Until you actually build some stuff there is no way to know what you really like and what you are capable of. When I was a kid that's how I learned, you can't have everything right away.  Don't get me wrong, paper railroads can be fun, but unless you do something in the meantime you will never learn anything. Grab a few of your buddies and just go run some trains, that way you will have someone to bounce ideas off of who knows what you are capable of.

Just my opinion.



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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 09:26 pm
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The Bachmann On30 cars do have too much overhang in relation to gauge. It is more noticeable in the flats and gons. When placed with a O scale figure the On30 Bachmann Mogul looks ungainly the same with the BLI 2-8-0.

That is one of the reasons I tried Scale 55. The flats when narrowed look right:



If you have any sense of proportions they hang over too much.

Geez, sledhead, you have Trains.com outlook on life.

Harold

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 10:23 pm
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How so Harold? For a kid starting out you can't find a more inexpensive scale than HO. Way more bang for your buck, and if you screw something up while hacking up an old blue box or roundhouse car, it's no big loss. Call it whatever "scale" you want, but using ho gauge stuff is the way to go if you want a decent roster on a limited budget, and don't yet have the skills to scratch everything. You can get decent running used HO stuff for next-to-nothing.

As for the narrow gauge "overhang", I happen to think it looks neat! To each their own I guess.




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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 10:35 pm
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Narrow gauge diesels are a blight against nature and that combo is truly an abomination.

Bashing HO into larger scale narrow gauge sure beats cookie cutter HO. Blue box, gimme a break!!! Sounds like Trains.com. Am I in the right place.

Narrow gauge doesn't need a large roster.

Harold

Edit: It is easier to make small narrow gauge prototypes in 55n3:



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Roundhouse locos as 55n3

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 10:38 pm
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hminky wrote: Narrow gauge diesels are a blight against nature and that combo is truly an abomination.

Bashing HO into larger scale narrow gauge sure beats cookie cutter HO. Blue box, gimme a break!!! Sounds like Trains.com. Am I in the right place.

Narrow gauge doesn't need a large roster.

Harold

Indeed! :glad:They're like the 80's hair bands of the narrow gauge world!



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