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 Posted: Sat Apr 23rd, 2011 10:17 pm
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Tate-55n3 is 1:55 scale running on 16.5MM gauge(HO,On30) and there are NO products available (to my knowledge) for this scale. It was an attempt to model 3 foot gauge "correctly" using available On30 and HO items. If you really want to do On30 or Sn42 cheaply, you will have to either visit flea markets or look to ebay for HO locos, etc. that can be used. What you might find is that On30 is cheaper than building locos, etc. using HO stuff. A great running Bachmann On30 Shay can be found for 90 bucks and sources like Favorite Spot and Micro Mark sell On30 locos and cars CHEAP...cheaper than most HO stuff. And Bachmann's On30 locos are quality products. I have seen micro On30 layouts which are maybe 12" square and have 10" radius curves. Bachmann's little On30 Porters and 4 wheel cars just love them.

Sn42 is a great scale/gauge to model. There were quite a few real 42" gauge lines in the US. There are many things available for S scale also.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 23rd, 2011 10:23 pm
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Tate Pumfrey wrote:What exactly is 55n3? I am not familiar with this, but I have heard it mentioned on this forum.

Essentially, this is models to a scale of 1:55, (or about 7/32" to the foot) running on 16.5mm ("HO") track. This equates to a prototype track gauge of about 3 feet.


Other related ideas included using (28mm?) wargaming figures - also building locos and stock based on suitably modified examples of some of the smaller On30 railway models and some of the larger S and HO stuff.


I don't know how well any of these ideas work - I've never tried them (or the scale) - but it sounds like it could be a workable "scratchbuilder" scale (even if it probably isn't too well supported by the trade).

I believe some other people on this site might have tried similar scale / gauge combos over the years - but I wouldn't be able to confirm this.


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 Posted: Sat Apr 23rd, 2011 10:28 pm
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W C Greene wrote: Tate-55n3 is 1:55 scale running on 16.5MM gauge(HO,On30) and there are NO products available (to my knowledge) for this scale. It was an attempt to model 3 foot gauge "correctly" using available On30 and HO items. If you really want to do On30 or Sn42 cheaply, you will have to either visit flea markets or look to ebay for HO locos, etc. that can be used. What you might find is that On30 is cheaper than building locos, etc. using HO stuff. A great running Bachmann On30 Shay can be found for 90 bucks and sources like Favorite Spot and Micro Mark sell On30 locos and cars CHEAP...cheaper than most HO stuff. And Bachmann's On30 locos are quality products. I have seen micro On30 layouts which are maybe 12" square and have 10" radius curves. Bachmann's little On30 Porters and 4 wheel cars just love them.

Sn42 is a great scale/gauge to model. There were quite a few real 42" gauge lines in the US. There are many things available for S scale also.

            Woodie

One of the main reasons I am doing Sn42 is that there were TONS of 42" gauge railways in Ontario, and it was definitly the most popular in my area (Chatham-Kent Ontario). I like the size, (bigger than HO, smaller then O), I am a scratchbuild addict (lots of buildings!) and there are TONS of HO stuff for a kitbash. Also, HOn42 is really hard to get and for On42, there are almost no S scale models to be kitbashed, and O is a bit to big for my taste, and HO is just a bit to small, I need glasses soon, but S scale will pay off when I am older.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 23rd, 2011 10:32 pm
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Huw Griffiths wrote: Tate Pumfrey wrote:What exactly is 55n3? I am not familiar with this, but I have heard it mentioned on this forum.

Essentially, this is models to a scale of 1:55, (or about 7/32" to the foot) running on 16.5mm ("HO") track. This equates to a prototype track gauge of about 3 feet.


Other related ideas included using (28mm?) wargaming figures - also building locos and stock based on suitably modified examples of some of the smaller On30 railway models and some of the larger S and HO stuff.


I don't know how well any of these ideas work - I've never tried them (or the scale) - but it sounds like it could be a workable "scratchbuilder" scale (even if it probably isn't too well supported by the trade).

I believe some other people on this site might have tried similar scale / gauge combos over the years - but I wouldn't be able to confirm this.


Regards,

Huw.

Thanks all, but I think I shall stick with Sn42

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 Posted: Tue May 10th, 2011 10:56 pm
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Wouldn't Sn42 be cheaper than On30?

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 Posted: Wed May 11th, 2011 01:49 am
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Tate- I just have to tell you that S scale is MORE EXPENSIVE than O scale. Just becaise S is a smaller scale does not mean that it is less expensive. Figures cost more (when you can find them) and there are very few S scale vechicles available. Structures may cost a bit less than O scale ones, but again, there is less avaliable. On the other hand, if you elect to scratchbuild your structures and freight cars and modify inexpensive HO locomotives, then you might be able to save some money. On30 is about as inexpensive as you can get. Just remember that the $30 HO loco that can be made into Sn42 or On30 will run like...like..well, it will run like a cheap thing that it is. Be prepared to spend some money for decent equipment and you will still need to make it "S" scale! This is my opinion and you can take it or leave it. You are reading experience here, but I know how young guys believe all us old dudes are full of it. Good luck.

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 Posted: Wed May 11th, 2011 11:35 am
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I repeat everything that Woodie has said about Sn42 vs On30. What it boils down to is personal preferences - mine are based on my early experiences with American Flyer trains when I was growing up. That, of course, means a great disdain for anything O (aka Lionel)! What I find is that Sn42 has the luxury of using materials from BOTH the On30 and HO worlds. You just have to keep your 1:64 proportions in mind.



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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 12:55 am
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Do like the looks of the 2-6-0, 4-6-0, and porters from Bachmann, but I am absolutely disgusted by the overhang, and how wide stuff is compared to the track width. Partially why I plan to do Sn42. 

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 01:32 am
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Well, if you are disgusted by the "overhang"-a narrow gauge characteristic, you had better learn how to build stuff that you like. That one thing-overhang- is just what appeals to most everybody who models narrow gauge. This is your personal agenda so maybe it is time to get to work and actually build something that pleases you. Then send some photos so we can see your models. All the plans and drawings cannot come close to seeing a real "flesh & blood" product, have fun and start building.

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 Posted: Fri May 27th, 2011 05:08 am
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I never understood the 'high cost of On30' idea behind this thread. The low-cost reliable mechanisms (On30 and HO) have opened a whole world of modeling for anybody who can spare a few bucks for a hobby every paycheck. You can spend a lot of money in the hobby if you want, but that usually doesn't translate to a lot more fun. I have seen incredible models built for less than what a good Mexican dinner and margarita would cost. So for me, 'high cost' does not compute, it's what you make of it.



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