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Sadly the photographs in the first 1/3 of this Thread ...

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... in the last 2/3 of the Thread from Page-57 onwards until the end ...

... ALL THE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHS ARE AS THEY SHOULD BE.



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Daves original Post :-




Here are some pics Woodie sent me to whet out appetites.

Very very cool stuff Woodie!! :pimp::moose::cool: :thumb:


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Dave-I hope to get the pix figured out soon ... but in the mean time,

here are some from the Mogollon Railway.

The line is 1:35n2 and set in Texas' Big Bend area around 1938.


Woodie



Awesome! 




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Some early Mogollon Railway photographs by Mopman




For those that have not seen the latest incarnation of the Mogollon Ry,

here are a few shots before Woodie started the last two sections.

This by no means covers all the railway, just the middle portion really.




Turntable.





The high line (to the ore bins) leaves the low line (for the wax camps).
And believe me, Mogollon engines climb this grade several times daily !





One of the ore bins on the high line.





A little 0-4-0 switches the ore bin.





The "city" of Mogollon.



Enjoy



Jim ( mopman )



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Now I like that, great just spending time looking for all the little things that add up to a good story
Looking forward to more.
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Very nice work Woodie! Thanks for posting those Dave. Maybe I missed it but what was the scale of this railroad?

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Couldnt have said it any better myself Don!!

Thanks for sharing Woodie!!!:thumb:

OOPS  1/35n2...........:Doh: I knew that too!!!:bang:

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Whoops!

Sorry Jim..I meant to post his note in the begining too..I went back and put it in...this is 1/35n2

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The buildings shown are modeled after the real thing in Mogollon, NM except that they sit on the other side of the road and don't have the creek directly in front.
I need to weather the autos some more, but you get the idea.


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Dave-thanks for posting the pix.
Please excuse the funky backdrops but that's what I had at the time.
The Mogollon Railway consists(at the moment) of 9 sections that can be set up outside on the side of my motor home and out into the back yard.
The layout can be up and running in about 30 minutes and if it begins to rain it can be taken down in 5 minutes.
There is no track wiring, I use radio control, so it makes things much simpler.



 W C Greene





Early Mogollon Railway photo.


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Nice work Sir, great details ! :thumb:

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That is just some outstanding Large scale stuff.  Thanks for posting that Dave!!!

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Thanks for the scale Men!!, With todays digital cameras and excellent pics it can be impossible to tell a scale anymore from a photo. Ok, you know me so here's my question.... 9 layout sections...how are they stored and transported...flat or on their sides? Do you have a rack that they are stored in? Do all structures and details remain in place?

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Very cool indeed , more pics as soon as humanly possible pleeeeeeeeeeease:)

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James-thanks for the interest. The Mogollon Railway's sections(I don't use the term "modules") hang like slabs of beef inside my motor home and some of them also reside in my friend Bill's garage where they can be brought out & set up. The sections are built on 2 inch styrofoam and are extremely lightweight. I have detachable shelf brackets on the outside of my motor home which will hold about 26 feet of line. The sections then go out from there and are supported on camera tripods. I am building a new section now which will bring the line back into a large "U" shaped layout. The Mogollon Railway is point to point with turntables at each end and the "hidden track" has a return loop for turning the "wax camp trains". I will try to send out a track plan for all this, I just build things without plans so the design could change.

The sections are held together with steel pins inside brass tubing which is fine for what I am doing. One thing I won't explain is the wiring-there is none! I run with radio control & on board batteries. If that interests you, check out the radio control topic in this site. I just love this stuff!!!

                         W C Greene (Woodie) 

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Hotshot wrote: Whoops!

Sorry Jim..I meant to post his note in the begining too..I went back and put it in...this is 1/32n20


:old dude: Its very nice Woodie. Looking forward in seeing more!

 

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That's some awesome work Woodie!
I especially like the Enginehouse shot, with what looks like a Garrett inside.
Did you have an On20 layout in the past?
-Cody

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Cody-yes, I built an On20 layout with the same name back in the last century & had a story about it in a 2000 NG&SLG issue. The enginehouse I built for the new layout was copied from the old O scale model. The Garratt was built from 2 IHC HO Dockside mechanisms and a lot of "scratch" and some PSC parts. As with all the Mogollon Railway's locomotives, she's wireless with radio control and onboard batteries. I found that is is easier to do radio in slightly larger locos and besides, I love 1:32 scale now. Being able to use available On30 locos and running gear is a real plus also, I want to have a nice layout in my lifetime, not be scratchbuilding everything. I do have to build my own structures as it is anyway. Thanks for the interest.

                    Woodie C Greene

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Right! I'm gonna look it up, I remember something about a monorail... Good stuff!

-Cody

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the vignettes remind me of a movie - cross country around 1920's with gene hackman, jan michael vincent, james coburn, candice bergman, et cetera. one racer had a horse, one a motorcycle, of course there was a flivver, and a train. maybe "the great race"?

 

very cool modelling!

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Yep, the railroad does have that feel. I am trying for about 1938 so I can use anything from horses to Model T's to motorcycles. On the other hand, Candice Bergman would be outraged at the comparison to the "women of the Mogollon". Matter of fact, a couple of the "ladies" used to be nazi soldiers who underwent "the knife" long before it was a "popular" option!!?? I have some very nice Preiser ladies that will get the 30's makeover sometime, but as for now, it's mostly a "mans' world" out there. On the figures, I use 1:35 military figures, 1:32 slot car pit crew guys, expensive Preiser 1:32 figures, and certain toy "cowboys and indians" for parts. Anything is fair game in this hobby, at least for me.

             Woodie C Greene

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i'm not so sure, Woodie.

 

she's put on a few pounds in the last 30 years.

 

as have i ... !

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I'm "fixin'" to send some more photos of the layout and will hopefully include a "track plan" of the line. I am building a new piece which will begin to tie high line and wax camp line (lower) together. I will have a photo or so of this also. There are now 10 sections which are mostly 4 feet each so with my cypherin' abilities I guess I have maybe 40 feet of layout so far. Hopefully, I can build the 4 more sections that complete the line before St Peter calls me. If anybody is venturing to the Dallas area, let me know and the old Mogollon Railway will have a loco steamed up and waiting for you.

              Woodie C Greene

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Howdy, Mr. Paladin, suh...

I'm the guy that you and Woodie were trying to get on the freerails roles as a member...it didn't work but that's no reason not to say "Thank you"

Locally there's a whiz with computers who after some searching found a way to get the URL necessary to click on for a membership.  I"m now known as mudge85 and I'd love to get into the R/C action. Woodie is about as knowledgable with R/C as anyone I know and has been quite helpful to me since he lives in a motorcoach in my back yard. He's setting his layout up now after about a month of wet...dry...wet...dry days and his home now needs a boat dock for an entrance 

I'll knock off for now...you're probably asleep, anyway. Oh, the real name is Bill Caldwell, 85 years old and mad as hell because of a busted hip.

 

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Bill-you made it!! The old Mogollon Railway is up & running but at this hour, the crew is down at Nacho Mama's saloon for the evening. The MRy now has an operating winch (maybe wench) to pull loaded ore cars up the new 16% grade. A loco and one car barely made the grade, so the winch was needed to get the ore out from the Lost Scotchman Mine which is in the bottom of a deep canyon. Some fun, huh?

           Woodie 

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Mayor...

I'm still trying to figure out how to reply and such things. This is my second effort, but my first reply to Paladin must have caught him in the middle of the night down under.

I can see the new MRy from the kitchen window but the mud has kept me shut up.

Good to hear from you! I'm off to the doctor's office and maybe the other doctor's office,too.

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For those that have not seen the latest incarnation of the Mogollon Ry, here are a few shots before Woodie started the last two sections.  This by no means covers all the railway, just the middle portion really.


 Turntable


The high line (to the ore bins) leaves the low line (for the wax camps).  And believe me, Mogollon engines climb this grade several times daily


One of the ore bins on the high line


A little 0-4-0 switches the ore bin


The "city" of Mogollon

Enjoy

Jim


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WOW!!! :shocked:  That is a cool little layout there !!!! :thumb:    Well worth a:moose:.

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Great layout. If only it was DCC you could do ---------------------------------------:Brilliant:

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Paladin-do what??

  the mayor of Mogollon

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could do --  Sound  ---  Lighting -- Special effects --- Coupling and uncoupling -- transponding --- loco detection ---  computer control  --  switch machine control from the tracks  --  hook up of locos --  animation with out running wires -- realist speeds and acceleration to suit different locos.
I do understand that most of us do not want all of these features, I don't
In the early 1900's moving picture shows came into being, then they added sound,  and colour, I for one would not even think of going to see a silent movie in preference to one with all the bells and whistles.

I must say I thought you would bite a bit stronger, for I do understand how passionate you are about R/C.

Only stirring the pot Woodie.

Don

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Don-I'm not going to get into all that, I am having fun just running my pokey little trains. As for animated stuff, I do have r/c CAT tractors, r/c rotary car dumper for the smelter, operating conveyor to take ore to the furnace, operating V tipper dump, operating hoist for a heavy grade-I don't think most are interested in this stuff so I don't mention it very much. What it "boils down to" is that I have enough imagination to not worry about the bells & whistles just as long as the trains run great...and they do run great. There's room for everybody to have fun in this hobby.

              Woodie  

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W C Greene wrote: As for animated stuff, I do have r/c CAT tractors, r/c rotary car dumper for the smelter, operating conveyor to take ore to the furnace, operating V tipper dump, operating hoist for a heavy grade-I don't think most are interested in this stuff so I don't mention it very much.
              Woodie  

I, for one sir would be interested in this type of stuff. I am hoping to do some of this stuff to my layout eventually, and any inspiration does help to fuel the imagination.

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As it happens, if you go to YOUTUBE.COM and put in model train rotary dumper to search, you will see about 1 minute of the rotary and conveyor in action. Have fun,

           Woodie

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My My My..................Woodie, Quit having so much fun would ya, those of us NOT up & running are going to get very jelous and some shin kickin may be called for.............

Ya know how we just have to hate those guys what drive corvettes and own them big ol 80 foot yachts and live in them lil mini mansions................

well..............

for us realists who actually work for a living and really want to get a model rr up and running your skirting the line there bud!!!:):)

BUT.....Now that you ve been warned bout making us Jelous and all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i got to give that lil layout of yours a

And I am NOT going to get into the R/C  DCC debate cause I aint into

I'm already Convinced!!!:bow: 

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Tileguy wrote:
for us realists who actually work for a living and really want to get a model rr up and running your skirting the line there bud!!!:):)


 

 Some of us had worked for a living for some years before you realists were born, young un.  Didn't your mother teach you to respect your elders. :old dude::old dude:(is there an emoticon with tongue in cheek?)

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Eric-go easy on those young whipper snappers, they will get old(hopefully) and someday understand. I am hitting 60 and have worked full time from age 12 or so until after my wife died a few years back so I feel that at my age and experience, I can goof off if I want to! I do spend a lot of time on my railroad, but I spend a lot of time building models for others and generally helping out where needed. Enough of this stuff. Also, my experience building for pay has taught me how to build quickly. If I didn't have this background, I may still be looking at track plans and wishing I could have that funky little kettle I wanted so much. I am glad I am old!!! Nothing anyone can say will upset me, I can go out and run my trains in the sun and have a blast. Recently, my old buddy Jim (MOPMAN) has visited and we actually have operating sessions on the old Mogollon Railway. Jim loves the r/c concept but is still griping about pin & link couplers-he'll get over that. Jim is a perfectionist of trackwork so he is gradually whipping the road crews in line and derailments have gone down. Using r/c, if you derail, the loco will happily run across the scenery until it's stopped-just like the real thing. I just love it...

             Woodie

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There is another problem....it might go off the edge if the engineer falls asleep.   And that's several  hundred feet   :shocked:  (can you say dead crew) in 3/8th scale.  My main reason for good trackwork, as I have said before, operation is not fun if you can't keep the equipment off the ties.  And we are getting there with the exception of this particular Shay :bang:

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Yep-that stinkin' Shay. I have read about various railroads that had "hoodo" locomotives, many were Ephiram's invention. The West Side Lumber Co had a Shay that would "take to the woods" from straight & level track! I have 2 Shays (touche!) , the newest seems to stay on track fairly well, maybe I got it more right the second time. Old #1 has equalized trucks, the wheels are in gauge, and there seem to be no binds....but she dislikes certain sections of the line. Now, she really doesn't derail at the same places all the time, it just depends on the man at the throttle maybe. But those little rod locos, they love the bumps and grinds. I love my bumpy and wavy track, now you know why I love r/c, the loco will run over anything, including goofy track. Take thet, MOPMAN!

                the mayor of Mogollon

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Don't get your shorts in a wad.  You know I'm not dissin your road.  By the way, let me know when you want to take out the Ozark local on 4'-8 1/2" track.  You know you love the change of pace just like I enjoy the change of pace on your RR.  It ain't an SD40-2....but it's still fun.:glad:Besides, if it wasn't for your layout, I wouldn't be considering R/C on my layout.  Plus if things work out like I expect with the yard switcher project, I may consider a road consist next.

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Amazing atmosphere !!!

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ffayolle wrote: Amazing atmosphere !!!
Absolutely!

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Woodie:
             As you know I am a fan of Mogollon, but I discovered this page just now. WONDERFULL! WONDERFULL!!!!! Thank you. I am learning from you much more than just the use of RCC. I think there is in Mogollon layout an intrincate web of very clear and wise concepts creating an atmosphere really original. The use you make of the figures and small details is amazing.
             Are the different sections of the layout the same size? How big?
             I will wait for that track plan.
             I can't clasify Mogollon in any of the categories I know. It is just a special chapter in railway modelling. Delightfull!

                          Daniel

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Daniel-thanks for the kind words.  I still haven't drawn a track plan, the layout just "grows" in the direction I feel it should at the time. As for any "standard" section, there is none. A couple of pieces are 12" by 3', one is 12" by 30", a couple are 20" by 4', the corner pieces are "L" shaped and I haven't measured them. The piece with the SC,PA,&M lattice truss bridge is 20" by 6'6". I don't build to any particular "standard" and each piece connects to the next piece just one way. I have had many requests for a track plan drawing so I guess I will have to sit down and draw something. All sections are built upon 2" blue styrofoam which makes for easy assembly and the sections that aren't held up by brackets on the motor home are set on camera tripods which can be raised/lowered for leveling. So far, the layout has been through some terrible rains and high winds in the Dallas area and has survived it all very well. I cover the layout with plastic sheet held down with duct tape and will probably leave it assembled until the temperatures get too cold for me to go outside and enjoy running trains. This is the best layout I have ever built (it isn't complete) and I have been in this hobby for almost 50 years!

              Woodie

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Woodie:
             Thank you. I see you are a man full of creativity and spontaneity. There is something very happy around the whole line and I asume it is your character.Just a masterclass.

            About the trackplan: you don't need to make it to scale, just a diagram will do to make for us possible to place the pictures. It would be also nice a general view if it is possible.

            I will search now for the video of the rotary tipper, but would be nice to see also some pictures of it.

            Thank you once more.

                      Daniel

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Daniel-what I will do (weather permitting) is to set up each section of my layout and take an overhead shot (13) of each. I will probably send this to fs32ng site since it is far easier for me to send pictures there than it is to send them here! You might be able to "construct" a track plan from these and scenery, structures, etc. would all be included in the views.

               Woodie

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PS-the rotary dumper movie is on YOUTUBE and search for "rotary dumper" to see it.

        Woodie

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Woodie:
    
             YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!

                 
             And I will ask my son to get them in your album in our group (You know that the computer keeps laugthing at me!)
              Taht is really wonderfull knews. Takke please  some pictures where I can show the guys the modules hanging and resting on the tripods, but mosr than all take pictures of everything!

             Thank you Woodie.

             But why don't you just join and  make your own album?

                               Daniel

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So, anybody got a link for this FS32ng group page??

Not that I AM going to model a 1/32 NG RR Since I am doing n30, but I do MODEL in 1/32:thumb:

Ya never know, I may be able to learn something or pass something on from outa the ol Slot racing world of 1/32 ;)

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Tileguy wrote: So, anybody got a link for this FS32ng group page??

Not that I AM going to model a 1/32 NG RR Since I am doing n30, but I do MODEL in 1/32:thumb:

Ya never know, I may be able to learn something or pass something on from outa the ol Slot racing world of 1/32 ;)


Todd- it's a yahoo group- Google fs32ngmodelrail

Herb:old dude:

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Todd-the fs32ng site is pretty cool, I think myself and maybe a couple of other guys there build US prototype stuff. There are many international modelers who have posted some truly incredible stuff in the photos files. I think it is fs32ng@yahoogroups.com and you may have to register to look at their files. It is well worth it if you love wonderful models and can live with "punters"....they will love me for that one!

             Woodie

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hope this is a larger image...if anybody is interested, I will tell what's going on here...

Herb-I knew I would get it eventually!

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Woodie,

You're just teasing us. A picture here, a picture there. I can see a road trip in my future... to your house to document the layout.

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Yeah, you have been holding out on us.

Now that you have the picture side of things worked out, we will expect many many more pictures.


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here's one more for the evening. The buildings shown are modeled after the real thing in Mogollon, NM except that they sit on the other side of the road and don't have the creek directly in front. I need to weather the autos some more, but you get the idea.

        Woodie

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Way to go Woodie!!!

The one that I like best is #3 crossing the "road"


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Heh heh heh...Great shots Woodie!!!

( I knew you could do it! )   :apl:

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Woodie-

Your Rudy is a lot better looking than the other one (the ex mayor of NYC)!!

Where is the antenna hidden?

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Herb-there are a couple of wires inside the cab, but they ain't the antenna. That antenna is "disguised" as some hose on the bunker. You know, I don't really care about all that cab detail, just how well the thing runs, and Rudy is one of our favorites. The operators will choose this engine over the others-2 shays, 4-4-0, 2-4-0, and Bayer Garratt. I don't know why except little Rudy runs great and never skips a beat or derails! The li-poly battery is under the cab roof, I found that the little loco runs very nicely on 7.4 volts and he can really crawl with just a little juice.

              Woodie

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Cowboys and Indians!!;)

I like that Woodie!:bg: 

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Wadda know! A Chief, a Sport Scout and a four

'Cept the Chief has the muflercater on the wrong side!

Pick a nit, pick a nit, pick a nit nit nit---

Herb:old dude:    Ex owner '12 single, '16 Powerplus twin, '29 101, '34 four, '36 four, '38 Jr
                    Scout, '41 Chief w/side car, '41 841 shaftdrive, and a Chout

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Herb-great eyes! Yes, you have won the pitnicker's special with the observations! I built the bike that way just so I could get some comments. Whatcha think about that? In "reality", the bikes (there are 4 more models) are some very nice 1:32 scale jobs by NEW RAY. This company also has some 1:50 (close enuff for O scale) vechicles which are decently priced-the bikes are about 4 bucks retail. I will have a serious talk with those builders in Peking about the serious "faux paws" and transgression for the muffler on the wrong side. Yep, I will get right on that...BTW-this company also makes Vespa scooters in 1:32, but I can't bring myself to add these to the Mogollon scene. Please excuse the dark looking scenery behind the bar, in sunlight, this looks vastly brighter and I still need to add bushes, weeds, and some trees that have grown up over the years.Not shown is the MRy's "hi line" just above the downtown; the Gila Hotel still has damage from an early Model T railcar which came off the track while doing about 85 smph and hit the old hotel. That earlier railcar (like the previous Model TT truck) fell into the concrete canyon and became parts again. I digress...

  Have fun & write something funny sometime.

                                           Woodie

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Looking Good. Got to love narrow gauge.:Woohoo:

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Mr Greene-

company also makes Vespa scooters

If the great John Allen could have a Dinosaur pulling freight cars, I think that you could get away with Pancho Villa on a Vespa hiding behind a billboard waiting to catch those 85 mph model T's on their way to the floor!

Grumpy, from Glen Mills:old dude:

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Herb-you know that I am too much a nitpicker to allow Pancho on a Vespa. Maybe driving a Porsche, but never on a Vespa! Imagine what havoc old Pancho could have caused along the border if his gang drove Porsches, they just might have made it to Penna.!!! By the way, the girls of the Gila Hotel will soon have their photos in Play-Boy magazine, on the back page, covered with a Manilla envelope...

                            the mayor of Mogollon

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A Dinosaur switcher? Do any pictures of this thing exist? I know John Allen had a sense of humor but a Dinosaur??

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I saw pictures of this in MR. Quite some time ago. Before DCC

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Mr Allen's "work-bronto #13" was indeed real. However, the animal was not a brontosaurus(?) but rather a stegasaurus(?) as I "remember". There was an engineer riding atop the creature which was used to switch cars around. Needless to say, the critter wasn't powered, such things were not possible 50 years ago. I have seen small robotic dinosaurs being messed with by crafty Japanese modelers, one of these could probably be used to "update" Mr Allen's creation in the 21st century. If such a thing appears on the US market, I will have one on my layout. The Mogollon Railway already has a tracked vechicle in service to move ore cars in the yard, modeled to represent a "Cletrac" tractor. I will send a pix of this later.

Don-not only was Mr Allen's layout before dcc, it was before many of the things we take for granted. I do feel that if he were still around, Mr Allen would be using dc, he had so many locomotives that it would cost MUCHO DINERO (big big bucks) to equip them all.

                             later, ya'll... Woodie

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Don-not only was Mr Allen's layout before dcc, it was before many of the things we take for granted. I do feel that if he were still around, Mr Allen would be using dc, he had so many locomotives that it would cost MUCHO DINERO (big big bucks) to equip them all.



Gee Woodie do you think so?

He was Mr. Cutting edge, when it came to realisim...I can't see him NOT wanting sound in his locos.  Just My Humble opinion.

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Reply Mr Allen's "work-bronto #13" was indeed real. However, the animal was not a brontosaurus(?) but rather a stegasaurus(?)


Bronto? Sterasaru?---At least it wasn't a Herbasaurus!


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Dave-yes, probably Mr Allen would have dcc NOW if he was in this realm, however, if he was still around now and was still running his old Varney locos, a dcc decoder would be hard pressed to handle the current draw. As for the sound effects, he was a stickler for "prototype" operations and would probably kick an engineer for blowing the whistle just for the &^$$ of it.  Today's locos have low current draw motors and are well suited to the wimpy electronics in today's dcc boards. I know one man who installed the most heavy-duty dcc decoder he could fit into his old Penn-Line pacific and it smoked itself after just a couple of minutes run. He's back into dc now. I suppose that one could install new instrument motors in the old stuff but that is a JOB and sometimes will only smoke the new motor due to ancient gearing and extreme weight of the old lead boilers. Of course, r/c is probably out also because of all this. However, if there was dcc way back then, today there just might be full-function r/c available for the model railroader. Remember that this is only my personal view and I am sure that electrical engineers will respond with the "truth"...well, OK. I have run with sound and am still a "silent runner" who would rather listen to the birds (outside) and imagine that the loco is making all that noise. Just my opinion...

With all that said, thank God that we are all free to do as we want, I am waving the flag, will have some apple pie later, and will see my mom again someday in the great beyond. She may have caused my silence with her "be quiet" comments..

                                  Woodie

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With all that said, thank God that we are all free to do as we want.

Agreed Woodie



I am waving the flag, will have some apple pie later, and will see my mom again someday in the great beyond. She may have caused my silence with her "be quiet" comments.. Woodie

Well I for one am glad your not quiet! ( Not yet anyway! )   ;) :P

Untill later Mr. Mayor! :bg:

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Here are some more pix from the Mogollon Railway.



This photo shows the road's 2 Shay locos. No 5 (right) has a canvas cab roof amd is a bit heavier than No1.

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Your line looks so good it hurts!

 

Hurt so good, that is :D

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The "sander" on #5 must be a slow drinker, his bottle was that full last week. I think that he could use a little help.


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Woodie

I have been a little remiss in not commenting on your outdoor/ knock down railroad,

You have been keeping secrets from us, we would all like to see a little more please.

Does the layout stay out overnight during the good weather. ?

Please post a how to for unassembly.?

Maximum module size?

AND what times to you retire at night and when do you rise ?

Can you run fast ?

The Night Crawler

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Don-in good weather (and not so good weather), the layout stays outside set up. I cover it with heavy plastic sheets that are held down with bamboo bbq sqewers stuck in the underside of the sections. I will send some pix of how this is done. So far, there has been very little damage to anything, except flimsy plastic stuff. I am learning a lot about what will take the weather and what won't. We don't have really bad weather here in Dallas, but the layout survived the last 2 storms that had 70 plus MPH winds. Maybe I am living right or the Lord likes the trains, but so far, so good. I will take the line down when the temps reach below 40 (winter) since I won't be outside messing with anything. Set up takes maybe an hour and I am running...no wiring or track cleaning craaaaap to deal with. As for how fast can I run, well, not as fast as 00 buckshot from my double barrell 12 gauge shotgun. If you get what I mean. I will send some pix of all the above mentioned verbage. As for standard section size, etc...there ain't any standards!

                 Woodrow 

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Woah, from the other pics i've seen i thought you just brought it outside like on wheels or something from a garage or w/e, that's really awesome to have it outside near-full time like that.


More pics please!!

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When the layout is dismantled, it all fits inside my motor home. Not much room to relax, but the shop is clear to do some work. None of the sections weighs over 7 or 8 pounds and although bulky, the sizes range from 3.5 feet to 6.5 feet and various widths. About 20 or so feet rest on detachable shelf brackets mounted on the motor home and the "outrigger" sections all sit upon camera tripods. The tripods can be leveled, set at various heights, and hold the sections upright well enough to withstand 70 plus MPH winds!!! As I said, the Lord is watching over me here! As for any electrical problems...well, do I need to explain?

I will send some pix of all this arcane crap so you can get the visual idea. Matter of fact, we're probably going to operate Saturday, this layout is built for operation with plenty of switching. For many years (maybe 40), I built round & round layouts but I really love this point to point thing I have now and will probably not build "in the round" again. These are just my opinions and do not represent those of the staff and management at Freerails...well, maybe not.

                Woodie

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Well, well-since some of the layout photos were deleted by my igno-ramus I thought I'd send some pix of the new section with the same old enginehouse and turntable but in a new scene. I now have more yards for the ore car fleet and general mahem.







There is more to be done but these pix may give an idea of what I have been up to.

     Woodie

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PS-the contraption shown in the middle photo is a "cricket blower" made from an old airplane propeller run by a inline 4 cylinder Ford motor. The thing really works and is able to blow ants(the baby ones) off the track. So, there...

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How did I miss this thread? Woodie... do you ever sleep? Nice. :thumb:

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Think you made a big mess out of that, time to get the workers to clean up

Like the junk, I could feel at home in a place like that.

Don

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Paladin wrote: Think you made a big mess out of that, time to get the workers to clean up

Like the junk, I could feel at home in a place like that.

Don


QFT!

I've gotten the junk addiction and i cant wait till i can actually get somewhere with it :D

WC Your Mogolllon is a big inspiration to me man, keep er goin!

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In response to Herbie's request for pix of the incline, here 'tis. The incline raises loaded cars from a mine down in a canyon up a 15% or so grade. This all actually works and is a hoot to operate when needed. Sometimes, the Gila Tramway's tourist coach gets pulled up for a trip on the "high line".



Here, 2 loaded ore cars are being pulled up. Note the high line's bridge above the Gila Tram trackage.



Shay #5 waits at the switch for the 2 cars. The tow rope is seen in the foreground.



The Shay has a 10 foot pole which is used to get cars when it is otherwise impossible or just too stinkin' hard to do. The hoist is powered by an old Model T Ford 4 cylinder motor and transmission hooked up to a hoist mechanism. (a model plane servo turns a capstan and that is the real power). I hope this clears up the mystery.  Woodrow

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^That's so awesome, and clever!

You truly have a knack for pulling something like that off sir! :apl:

Wish you could put up some videos of things like that in action :)

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Wow Woodie absolutely awsome

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Woodski, that is realy neat. What does the huge nail beside the track in photo #1 do?



Curious Herbie:old dude:

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Herbie-what looks like a nail is really a roller to help guide the tow rope when it is lower down on the incline.   It's not really needed but I haven't gotten around to taking it out. There's always tomorrow...          Woodrow

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Woodie,

I was looking at the first photo on page 3 and it looks like you used a Bachmann On30 2-4-4 Forney for the locomotive. Can you post more photos of this locomotive? I looks very nice from what I can see.

Thanks,

Travis in Mesa

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Travis-here is a photo of #3 on the long bridge. It is indeed a Bachmann On30 OF loco converted to a 2-4-0 with 4 wheel tender. It is such a chunky loco that it transfered over to 3/8 scale with just a new cab and some larger PSC parts. I will try to take another shot later but I found this one on the desktop.



Woodie

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Here is a photo of the "renovation" of the Gila Hotel in downtown Mogollon. The ladies were shown somewhere else earlier (I forgot where). There is still more work to be done and several "gentlemen" will be added to the scene.



Silver Creek runs beside the road, the buildings have boardwalks to gain access to the front doors.      Woodie

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Woodie,

This is amazing work.  Somehow I have been asleep at the wheel but this stuff has real character and texture.  I studied the detail in your pictures and to be real honest, I think most people lack major detail in these areas but you have captured my attention.  This is good stuff, I mean real good stuff.  This gets 5 mooses for attention to detail in the smallest areas:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Woodie, That is beyond  what words can discribe...

WOW! 2 cool   :bow:

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Thanks guys.  I am building new stuff and when I get photos taken, I will send them here. I really believe that this will be the "last" layout I will build. I have maybe 4 more sections planned(well, not really planned, but thought about) and will get around to it soon. Since I have gotten into operation on this layout, I want to build the last piece now and then be able to actually run from A to Z and back and build the other sections in the future to extend the line.  Nothing is really finished, over time I will add more and better details and probably re-do some stuff but so far I am satisfied that I am doing the best I can do. I love this hobby.

                 Woodie

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W C Greene wrote: Thanks guys.  I am building new stuff and when I get photos taken, I will send them here. I really believe that this will be the "last" layout I will build. I have maybe 4 more sections planned(well, not really planned, but thought about) and will get around to it soon. Since I have gotten into operation on this layout, I want to build the last piece now and then be able to actually run from A to Z and back and build the other sections in the future to extend the line.  Nothing is really finished, over time I will add more and better details and probably re-do some stuff but so far I am satisfied that I am doing the best I can do. I love this hobby.

                 Woodie

Cant wait to see more of your line WC, whatever you have planned it's sure to be one of a kind and awesome :thumb:

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Woodie,

I have to agree with Kens (loggeron30) last comments about the detail you have displayed in your railroad. I keep reading this thread and enjoy it more and more everytime. I used to refer back to the old photos of the Allen G&D for inspiration but it sure seems like I'm looking more to your Mogollon more and more for that extra spark. Between you, Herb, and several of the other veteran modelers, this hobby just gets better and better all the time. Thanks for sharing this great venture!

James

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Some months back, Jake (yetter man) suggested that I get up on the roof of the motor home & take a photo of the layout. Well, Jake..this un's for you.



At far left is end of line (for now) at the long trestle. The layout twists around and ends at the enginehouse and turntable on the far right. Also shown is how the layout sections sit on camera tripods. While the layout is covered with plastic sheet, this configuration has withstood 40-60 MPH winds and heavy rain with very little damage.  Right now, I am working on "backdrops" which will eventually encircle the layout, the back of which obscures much of the high line from this camera angle. Not shown are the miles of electrical cable used to supply power to the...naaw, I'm kiddin'.         Woodie

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W C Greene wrote: 
 Not shown are the miles of electrical cable used to supply power to the


Yeah...Woodie has all that buried in the foam and covered with several tons of real dirt...NOT!

As always - just plain spiffy as all get out.

We need close-ups of the new mine building that has its back to us in this shot (seeing as how I never know when you're gonna be uncovering the layout).

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Here are 3 more photos from Mogollon.



#1 shown at the shop before the daily run.



#5 out on the high line switching some ore cars.



And for James, a shot of the new Chupacabra mine building. Lots more to be done but it's time to run more trains, not mess with "details".    Woodie

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¡El nuevo edificio de la mina está muy caliente!

Translation: I like it!! It's simple but has a lot of appeal with that roof line. Makes a nice silouette against the sky.

 

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For Herb and all the other poor lost souls-a CHUPACABRA is a "mythical" Mexican "goat-man" being that roams the high country, stealing goats and sheep for dinner. If you Google the word, you may find some stuff. There was a youtube video of "something" running in front of a US Border patrol car and various photos of dead things that were sooooo gross that they did indeed look like a thing from a John Carpenter movie.

As for the Chupacabra mine, it is built from styrofoam sheet with basswood epoxied on the outside. I treated the wood with Thompson's Water Treatment before I glued it on. The roof(s) is Plastruct "corrugated" metal sprayed with many coats of enamel and then weathered with chalk and more Dullcoat. I have found this will make the plastic keep from warping in the weather. The building simply covers the headframe & hoist that was already there so there is "interior detail" that is somewhat obscured now. Pickers will note that there never was a Chupacabra mine in Mogollon, but then it's MY %^&*($# RAILROAD! James-when you operate here, this mine now can fill 3 ore cars, you will need to use the hill brake or you will be sorry.  Woodie

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So what you are telling us is that the mine tailings are going to include goat guts?

Your next industry better be an air freshener factory!

Especially since it has been noted that it is muy caliente in the area.

Herb:old dude:

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Ahhhh yes......the much dreaded Goat Sucker mine.

Great stuff Woodie...it just has the right feel to it.

Your photography seems to be improving with every shot you take of the layout.....very nice! :thumb:


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Thanks Dave...I just like to take nice pictures. Frankly, I have the advice of Mudge (Bill) who was a pro photographer and photography teacher and I give him credit for my occasional good shots.

I just happened to think (!!??!!), the goat sucker may visit the Bloated Goat #2 on occasion. Maybe that's how the BG got it's name. Well, I have an imagination, but I couldn't make things up like the chupacabra or the name of a Mogollon cantina. Tell ya what-I have a couple of really nasty-looking nazi soldiers which need some fixin'...maybe I will make an actual chupacabra out of one of the rascals. Now look what you've made me do!

                   Woodrowcabra, friend of Herbacabra

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LOL!

I was surprised to see you had named the mine the Chupacabra.

Back when I used to drive a route truck  through northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I would start in the wee hours of the morning and one of the stations that would come in best in the remote areas, was "Dreamland" with Art Bell  " From the high desert of the Sierras" and that's where I became acquainted with the whole Chupacabra or " Goat sucker" legend.

It's funny he started out mis pronouncing it as Chu CA CA Bra.

That was a great show, dealing with subjects of the paranormal, and area 51, and the like...full of goofball callers who had imaginations that boarder lined on insane...and many times they took trips across that boarder. :Crazy:




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I like it all. What track gauge is 1/32n20 and what is the running geat for the locos? This could inspire me enough to try this out on a limited basis. Don't need to tell the wife I found a new scale.

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The Mogollon Railway runs on 16.5 MM gauge-HO, On30, etc. In 1:32 scale, it works out to 20" gauge,in 1:35 scale (military scale), it becomes almost 24" gauge. I use available Bachmann On30 locos as "donors" for modifications, but do have a Garratt 0-4-0+0-4-0 built from 2 IHC HO Dockside mechanisms. Most HO mechanisms will work, especially for "critters". Hope this answers your questions. BTW-CTT makes scale rulers for all scales, including 1:35 and 1:32 in case you're interested.

           Woodie

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Last night, there was a wild bit of weather in the Dallas area-70 mph winds, heavy rain, & hail but the old Mogollon Railway made it through the night with no problems. In fact, this morning some local bikers went down to the Bloated Goat for some drinkin' and poker. The sun is out and all is well in "the world".



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Nice scene , beats playing checkers.:glad:

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Great poker game Woodie!! I like the white hair man, remembers my grandfather.

Those chairs... I know those chairs! Looks great too.

Cheers

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I saw that storm on the weather channel, glad to hear the Mogollon is alright :thumb:

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:) It's good to see that not all of your neck of the woods was not torn to shreds. I really like the level of detail that you can achieve in that scale.:thumb::thumb::thumb:

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Lucas Gargoloff wrote: Great poker game Woodie!! I like the white hair man, remembers my grandfather.

Those chairs... I know those chairs! Looks great too.

Cheers

Lucas


Lucas-- Seems like I've seen chairs like the one your "grandfather" is sitting on somewhere also- except they were a little smaller  ;)


Have a feeling that they will show up here sooner or later.


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Maybe Herb... maybe... but... when???:Salute:

Talking about this scene, Woodie... more pics please!!!:apl::apl::apl::apl:

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Woodie and Lucas

I have a complaint. You two make my modeling efforts look like something from the dark ages. I think I'll take up knitting!


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From the dark ages?? As you know... my english Herb...:bang::bang::bang: don´t understand your point. :Hmm::Doh: OOOOOOOOUCH!

 

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Woodie, this is the only coach I have from that pilot model I did for Daniel, big difference is the window frame outside as a separate piece. This was my version and modify to the one Daniel likes. Someday will finish this, and perhaps... perhaps... build a tiny loco for it. (only this, not more;))

Poor guy!! I have to cut his arms... he want to build the model... but now, I think he can´t :P


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Lucas-you should finish that car...who knows, it could lead to something! You outdid yourself on the "Caso Coach" kit, many thanks. The poor man without arms needs a little help but I believe you will take pity on him and reattach his parts. Here is a photo of the coach behind some local folks having a conversation. The miners love their nice new ride.     



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Yes!! You´re right!! I will start this weekend at work in the coach, build the frame first in Wood. Do you have any pic of this?

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Wonderful scenery, Woodie,
and a really good foto.

It's a very charming layout that you've built there.

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I have been working on a new section with one more to go with it. This will represent the smelter-final destination-for the Mogollon Railway. I am trying to get the sections working so we can actually turn the locos and switch the ore cars for more complete operation.

There is plenty of blue foam being used here, the MRy runs on the upper level to the smelter which has an operating rotary ore car dump to bring the ore into the furnace feed.You can also see the 15" gauge slag and ingot tramway which is powered by the old Cletrack. Also, the large tracks are the 42" gauge Los Pinos y Madera which takes the ingots to the outside world.



Here, #5 and ore cars approach the rotary dumper. Please excuse all the crap sitting around, I just couldn't resist running a train and didn't worry about anything else.



And here, an ore car is being dumped. Still to do are more roof trusses, bracing, finishing the furnace, and a bunch of other stuff. The next section will have more smelter buildings, passing siding, small engine house, and the turntable-not to mention more 15" trackage and the 42" connection. I think I have done enough for a Monday!       Woodie

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Dagnabbit Woodrow- youse is doing more gooder every time I turns around!


Gonna buy Jackies house to get more ROW?



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Woodie:
             You've did it again!  It looks wonderful!
The whole setting looks great. I can't wait to see that scene completed.
I wander for the crazy details you are going to add to the scene. How big is the section?
             How did you managed to get those huge gears for the rotary tipper? I am working on a kit for a tipper too, but I must let cut my own gears because I didn't found any commercially available.
             Could you post a track diagram of the section?

             You always are a huge inspiration for my modelling.

             Thank you for sharing.


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And a very nice addition it is.

Things I would like to know

Gears from what, it appears they are functional? -------- Brickwork is that card stock?

So many questions so little time.

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Woo-Hoo!! Lookin' good there, Boudreau!!

Can we say Walthers? Isn't that where you got the dump mechanism?

I'll have to take an afternoon off to come over and see it first hand.

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           You are a lucky guy! Having Woodie and his Mogollon Ry  in the neighbourhood must feel a privilege!

                                   Daniel

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Thanks guys. The whole affair is pretty crude at the moment but it will come along. The rotary dump is made from ring gears used in r/c helicopters-big ones- and to drive these gears are spur gears from r/c cars and all of it powered with a reworked r/c plane servo. Talk about using other hobbies for "kitbash fodder".. I looked at the Walthers kit, it is very expensive and not "funky" enough for me, now Lionel has a dumper for just 600 bucks! I will be right there for that one. The furnace is made from balsa covered with Plastruct brick and some doors made from styrene. Again, it's crude right now. The little tram tracks are HOn3 (15" gauge in my scale) and they will be operated also. This section is 5 feet by about 2 feet and will connect with the "last" piece which has the same dimensions. This will have to be a small smelter, to do what I REALLY want would take almost half the back yard.

As for how much have I spent for the "materials"-the big copter gears were 10 bucks a pair, the spur gears were 1.50 each, the servo was a freebie. I think the Plastruct brick sheet cost as much as anything else. Somewhere on the youtube site amongst teens acting crazy and other crap, there's a video of the rotary at work along with a working conveyor which I will use somewhere.  Where there's a will, there's a .......................           Woodie

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Woodie,

This magic!!!:apl:I have for some time been looking  for a suitable gear to do a smaller version (4 wheel salt tubs). After seeing your pictures I have run around the local suppliers on the internet and all of thier gears are plastic, thus will be difficult to attach to a frame, were yours metal?

In your pictures we cal see the drive gears on the far side that provide support for that side, what did you do on other side to support the gear as it rotates?

 

Thanks for sharing

Pete

 

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Pete- I will take some pix of the drive mechanism. The large ring gears are made by ALIGN for r/c copters and are made of plastic. I had to cut out the middles of the gears to just get the ring gears. The actual drive gears are r/c car pinions made by R&P Racing Products. I don't remember the # of teeth, but may figure it all out. The pinions are on a shaft behind the carriage and the shaft is driven by what I believe is an old brass loco gear driven by a pinion gear on a r/c servo output shaft. It all works great. I made a "cradle" to support the ring gears from plastic and this cradle keeps the carriage in line. Gravity keeps the cradle from jumping out of line as the car is dumped. The whole shebang is powered by 2 AA batteries and a 5 dollar toy r/c car receiver. By using r/c, I can stop the cradle exactly in track alignment, something that was hard to do with just a DPDT switch. Besides, I am an r/c devotee anyway. When I first built the rotary, I made it to hold 2 On30 Bachmann 4 wheel side dump cars but had to enlarge the cage somewhat to accomodate one double truck ore car at a time.

The concept of a mechanized rotary dump operation goes back many years. I have seen photos of really large ones used to dump standard gauge coal cars into barges back in the early part of the 20th century. My railroad may be funky and in 1942 still use link & pin couplers, but the management wants the latest mechanical devices because the labor pool is very sparse out here in the south west US. That's my story & I'm sticking to it.                    Woodie

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Way to go, Woodie! Please keep the photos coming!

Cheers

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Anytime it looks better Woodie!! I thought this rotary dump was a Walthers kit like other guys. Very nice!!

:apl::apl::apl::apl:

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Woodie,  unbelievable :thumb: You are the man!

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:boohooI missed this update 4 days ago! Shows me for only checking the last page :bang:



Woodie i really like the rotary, your operation is operational beyond simply being operational :doh: :)

That tramway has my interest as well, very good idea :apl:

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Excellent layout Woodie. :thumb: :thumb:

You are doing some fine work there. I really like the way you frame a scene and make it come to life.

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Woodie-I'm not sure about your "......steel pins inside brass tubing....." to connect the sections. If I understand well you don't use wood for a edge or case or chest? Do you glue the brass tubing in a hole made in the styrofoam?   (Hope you don't mind I'm copying your idea?)

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Albert-yes, I do glue the brass tubing into the foam using 5 minute epoxy mixed with powdered fiberglass (a model plane product) which will last till the "end of time". I do attach wood end plates where the sections mate up. I have gone back and installed metal "L" brackets on the outside ends of the sections and then hold it together with "6-42" screws & nuts. I will take some pictures of this arrangement as soon as the weather clears up and I take the plastic covers off the line. It is easier to show pics than try to explain all this stuff. The layout is outside and I am learning what works and what doesn't. A model built for indoors will likely fall apart outside, but with some careful work, outside models can be every bit as detailed as indoor models if proper materials/glues are used. I am lucky since the weather in the Dallas area is less violent than other places. These days, I use weatherproof wood glues, epoxies, and lots of praying to be sure things I build will stay together! But it is worth it, at least to me.          Woodie

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Woodie
   The amazing part is that this is all outside. There are garden layouts but they don't hold a candle to what you have built. Each time I have looked over the pics I find something new that I like.:thumb:
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Thanks Clif. Yep, it amazes me that the layout has weathered the recent storms. I have watched as the plastic covering billows up and blows wildly and rain flys by in a horizontal fashion. I guess that if bad enough weather hits, the layout may not be my main worry anyway. In the beginning, the layout was inside a house I rented, but with almost unlimited room, it has grown quite a bit. Right now, I am working on the "end of the line"-smelter, passing siding, and turntable plus other smelter trackage just so we can actually operate in a more realistic fashion, not having to use the 0-5-0 to turn the locos for the run back. This is the first point to point layout I have built and also the first one without track wiring. Now, instead of being a watcher, I am an engineer...I may be nuts, but I am having a great time.      Woodie

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Isn't that what the greatest hobby in the world is all about? :glad:FUN!

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Here are a couple of pictures of the new smelter section. This is only half of what will be. More buildings to come and the turntable at the end of the line...on the last section (still blue foam). No dirt or cactus yet, but this is up & running and the rotary works well. You can see the 15" gauge slag dump tracks and also a 36" gauge siding that takes all that gold & silver to the rest of the world. The boxcar is scratch built and is 1:35n3. I must be crazy.



Here is the other direction.



The little slag tracks will run through the next section to the boiler house & machine shop. The 36" gauge will sun off the end of the next section into the "great unknown". In these pics, you will find 3 different narrow gauges and I still have a monorail to work on!           Crazy Boudreaux

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That boxcar looks so lonely-it needs company!

Great modeling Clyde!!




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THREE gauges? :Hmm::Crazy:

WOW

And a monorail you say?


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Jake-yep, three gauges. The Mogollon Railway comes in on the high line to dump ore into the furnace. The 15" gauge line carries out the slag and brings in the mercury from the still. The 36" gauge is the connection to the market. And the monorail-the Boquillas Prismoidal Railway-takes some silver to Mexico for the jewelery trade. In reality, Mogollon, New Mexico was the richest mining district in the southwest that wasn't served by a railroad so I figure that my model of it deserves plenty of railroading. There was a railroad planned, a standard gauge one, which would have used...ready...McKeen cars! I can't make this stuff up! So maybe someday...you know how big a McKeen car would be in 3/8 scale?      Woodie

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Too cool Woodie!

Great job on everything!

I love how that little smelter car looks next to the box car.

BTW...you ARE crazy...but what dos that have to do with the price of eggs? ;)

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Woody...what can I say?  This has been the most enjoyable modeling thread I have seen in years.  The excellent modeling and unique character in your scenes is second to none.  I have always tried to avoid 'caricature' modeling of extremes that look more at place on a ride at Disneyland than a real working railroad.  You have the chunky, funky, dirty and quirkly look completely NAILED DOWN.  I can smell the tequila on the breath of those bikers playing cards, hear the creaking wood, smell the coal smoke and hot oil of the Shays.  That you have made it portable, and can photograph it in natural light, is the icing on the cake.  A model railroading tour de force - I tip my sombrero, amigo!  You, sir, have earned the prestigous 5-Mules of Magnificence!

 

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And you deserve every HeeHaw of that team of critters pardner!



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Waaal...thanks guys. I really appreciate the very kind words.  I have always believed that you should tell a story (my mother told me that I told lots of "stories") and try to do the best you can do. I can give credit to my mom & dad and later my wife for allowing me to be crazy and constantly work on my trains! When I was a kid and got into this hobby, I was an asthmatic kid and back then, you could die tonight if you couldn't breathe so my folks allowed me to stay constantly busy with trains and later on, my wife knew that I could either be at home messing with the layout...or down at some strip club getting smashed. So to my family, I say THANKS. And I am thankful that over the years, I have managed to get a little better at what I do while some guys my age are going to strip clubs and getting....... Now, all this long time later, I am getting to build exactly what I want to build and have (finally) the ability to do it.  These days, I thank all my local buddies: Mudge, Mopman, Sullivan, and many others who might not want their names mentioned (political reasons, etc.) and my buddies here on this site (who probably would also like to remain unnamed for political reasons, etc.) for letting me pollute the internet with my jibber-jabber.  Maybe I should have been a political speech writer or maybe a network news flunkee or just move down to the swamps and write poetry. But I was meant to be a model railroader and I am having a great time!

Since I mentioned Sullivan...maybe now he will bring over a 6 pack of Shiner Bock and we can run a train up to the new smelter. Hoo Ha!        Woodrow 

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I think strip clubs are an important part of every model makers background. It's how you stay abreast of the latest technologies. Beautiful work!!!!!!!!!!!!

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W C Greene wrote:
Since I mentioned Sullivan...maybe now he will bring over a 6 pack of Shiner Bock and we can run a train up to the new smelter.  


Well, I had an afternoon off last Tuesday...and I won't say what Woodie was up to.

We'll have to keep an eye to the sky the next few days and see if my Boss thinks I need some time off to recharge the old batteries.

And wait 'til you see what I have just for you...

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Mmmmmm-Shiner Bock!

             Woodrow

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I'm jealous of you guys being able to get together!

Except for the Bock Beer...I prefer my beer Cooold, amber and clear.



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Woodie, maybe we can get together this afternoon for a cold Bud.  And BTW you can use my name anytime, politics be damned.  What I like about this group is the difference in modeling era.  I can run steam trains on the Mogollon and you can come over to the Van Buren Sub 40 years later and run pig trains and locals.  When Sullivan gets the ROW laid on his layout we can have a group therapy session.  :glad:

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MMMM Beer ! :P A Tall frosty mug of Fosters Lager!

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Well, since we are hearing about various favorite brews-

How about St. Pauli Girl?

I've been told that St. Pauli, is an area in Bremen Germany where the - ahem- "ladies of the evening" hang out.


After the fourth or fifth one you can imagine that your are getting-----------







drunk!


And Dave- It's amber and clear- not brown and sticky.


Tell me what other model railroad forum you could learn things like this on-

VIVA LA FREERAILS!!!!





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The reason us Texans rave about Shiner Bock (except for Mopman, who loves Budweiser) is that Bock is made down the road in Shiner, TX and is pretty fresh when we get it. I also like Guiness Stout because it contains all the known food groups. Then there's Old Frothingslosh. In Mogollon, they have a drink called Gila Girl and after a few, even the big German girl looks quite nice.      Woodrow

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Herbrewski now your talkin.

I've always liked St. Paulie Girl.

Tasty beer and you ALWAYS get to drink it with a pretty Fräulein !













Woodie,

Don't knock the big German girls...when one of them hug you...you know you been hugged!!  :shocked:  :bg:

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Dave-I wouldn't mind a hug from THAT big German girl!  I will agree that St Pauli Girl is good brew...matter of fact, most beer is OK with me except maybe Pearl. If I have offended Pearl drinkers, then you are invited to bring a 6 pack over & we will discuss it.

         Hasta la vista........Woodrow

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hey men, with this blonde... I should drink a lot of beers!! :apl:

Woodie, as always, I like too much your Mogollon!! you´re doing an awesome work on it. Very nice! Have no words after seiing this blonde LMAO

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Yep, that gal is great! Now, here is something new for the Mogollon Railway. My friend James Sullivan (Chisos Tram) built and gave me this fine new ore car. James' car is built like the MRy's cars but a bit larger (more ore) and far, far better detailed with rivits, NBW's, and drop doors modeled! James intends to have a long string of these cars and I am here to tell you that it will be some train indeed! I still need to weather the car and maybe add a little more weight but that's all. The crews will appreciate this new car, it has advances (more careful building) unknown to the shop crew. Thank you, James..I guess that I WILL HAVE to supply the Shiner Bock for the next operating session.



The new car is shown on the last smelter section which will make the Mogollon Railway a "for real" operating point-to-point line. Just beyond the car to the right is the turntable, the end of the line. Muchas Gracias Sully.       Woodrow

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Woodie,

Aw, shucks. You're too kind. I only wish I WAS as good a modeler as you. I owe my inspiration and change of direction to what you've done with the Mogollon. The car was only a minor way of saying, "Thanks!."

Glad you like it. Yes, it will need some weight added. Mine will too, to be sure.

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James-you are a superior modeler and I am humbled by your opinion of my poor stuff. The new ore car is a masterpiece and will hold a place of honor on the Mogollon Railway along with the little Caso coach from our buddy in Amsterdam.  Woodie

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:)The only thing good about Guiness is that you can recoat pickup beds or reseal asphalt with it!!!!! Now "Lone Star" that some brewin!!!!!:bg:

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Clif-Lone Star beer is OK by me, especially when it has been sitting in a tub of ice for a little bit! If you want LS beer billboard art, Clover House has them in all scales, the S scale is about right for On30, O scale is for a big old wood reefer and looks strange on an On30 car.   Woodie 

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:)Thanks for the heads up. I have quite a collection of reefers, mostly HO. I guess it is the original "Reefer Madness".

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Here are some pictures of the new water tower on the Mogollon Railway. This one is next to the turntable at the smelter and sits a bit over the edge of the cliff.



The "back side" sits over the edge and is supported by a large timber with rip rap and more timber supports.



On the "delivery" side, the spout and other hardware were made from brass tubing bits all soldered together. The "weights" are brass rod with hooks on the top. The chain is Model Shipways chain (they make a large range of chain sizes) and the tank bands are painted paper strips. Not seen are the tank band adjusters on the other side of the tank.



The spout can be raised or lowered. This is not radio controlled since that would be more work than I wanted to do. The tank is made from scribed wood wrapped around a proper size tube and the structure is 1:35 scale 10" sq posts. The corrugated roof was made from Plastruct corrugated plastic-which has shown to stand up well outdoors.The design was inspired by the enginehouse tank on the Diamond & Caldor RR. There are pictures of the real thing in the Finescale Logging & Mining Annual along with some truly funky structures. Now, if I would just build the rest of the smelter structures, I would be a happy man.      Woodie

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Woodie

That looks great.

You mention scribed timber wrapped around a suitable sized pipe. Could you give a little more information about the timber used.

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That's outstanding Woodie,

Outstanding work, and out standing in your yard.  ;)  :thumb:

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It looks awesome :thumb:

The plants growing at the base are a nice touch too, in your parched desert setting. :Dance:

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Don-the scribed wood was probably made by Northeastern, it looks to be a scale 6" boards in my scale. I just wrapped it around a plastic tube, glued with epoxy. I still need to add some nails and a couple of NBW's, but the photos of the "real thing" don't show any fastenings on the structure. I guess it's the "6 foot rule" on detailing. Also to come are some shrubs and weeds under the tank.  Woodie

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Woodie, you crank out stuff with amazing speed, and make it look like you spent months doing it. Is it that Central time thing?



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Woodie:

        Wonderful!!!

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        It looks very convincing.

       Would you post a photo showing a bit more of the surroundings?


                                                     Daniel
       

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Daniel-there isn't much surrounding the tank, it is at the end of the line just off the turntable. Several buildings will be added to the smelter and then there will be "surroundings".  This is still in the "imagine" phase so there isn't much to see.....yet. Woodie

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Woodie,

Looking better all the time. I thought it was great the first time I saw it.

The spout, counter weights, and "toilet" pull make it really stand out. The colors and weathering you've done on those really show the tank has been well used.

Waiting anxiously for cooler weather so we can run a couple strings up to the mines and the adjourn to the 'Goat' for a cold Shiner! Whoa Doggies!

 

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Very nice weather colours!! but... in that scale... how about some NBWs... only a suggestion.

Keep up the good work bud!:thumb:

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Lucas-I will add "something", but looking at photos of the real thing I copied, there are NO NBW's or nails to be seen anywhere. Maybe they used some real Gorilla Glue to build the tank!    Woodie

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Folks who know Woodie keep asking-"How's Sparkey coming?" Sparky, in case you don't know, will be Woodies adaptation of the Albanian Lignite mine video, where the "motorman" holds a prod against the wire to make the loco run, with sparks as a result.

This sort of thing cannot be rushed into- it requires a wealth of planning, consideration and other, as Mr Greene would say, "pondering"

Just to show that all this IS taking place, we submit this photo of WCG and Peachhead at a recent planning session-----





Something good MUST come of this!


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Yes Herb, that's where all the ideas come from. Careful rumination during outhouse tours. I do hope Mudge doesn't see that outhouse in his back yard, so far it is disguised as a train layout.

          Peach Head sez "hey".............Woodrow

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All,

Since so long ago we were discussing a mythical beast wondering around the old Mogollon I thought this article was warranted. Part of the diatribe is not related in the least to what roamed the tracks and hills of Big Bend country but...well read on.

Found on Yahoo News:

 

!!!The Chupacabra Caught!!!


"It really does exist! Maybe! The famed chupacabra has apparently been found, and it's a Texan.

Or at least it was. The beast is now dead, but news of its capture near Blanco, Texas, inspired Bigfoot-sized searches. Lookups on "chupacabra" surged a whopping 571%, and related queries on "what does chupacabra mean" also roared. (For the record, its rough translation is "goat sucker.") The find also inspired renewed interest in the equally notorious Montauk Monster.

Jerry Ayer, owner of Blanco Taxidermy School, has possession of the mythical beast's body. According to CNN, the animal was discovered by one of Ayer's students. The student had "placed poison...to catch an unidentified animal that had gotten into a family member's barn." Little did the student know the animal in question was (maybe) the chupacabra.

In the video from CNN (which is pretty gross, so beware), Ayer shows off some of the unusual features of the animal, including abnormally long legs and teeth. It looks a bit like the world's ugliest (and meanest) dog.

Of course, this is hardly the first time someone has claimed to have captured the chupacabra. In years past, brave souls have spotted it in places ranging from Russia to Maine to the Philippines. Often the animal is spotted by folks who conveniently forget to snap a photo.

Not so this time. Ayer says he plans to preserve the animal and then donate it to a local museum so it can be enjoyed by others. As the taxidermist puts it, the beast is "a tremendous conversation piece." Sort of like the Mona Lisa or a really stellar collection of garden gnomes."

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Just a tad anticlimactic- Woodie had me convinced that it was a cross between King Kong and a Pterodactyl, with Jackies disposition.

And it turns out to be a ugly dog?---  Heck I can remember dating some of those!


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Nice water tower. I like the patina finish on the spout!  That takes talent to replicate or lots of time /both.  Very nice scene:thumb:

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Ya know...looking at that spout again...

Are you sure you didn't just dig up some old copper pipe out of Jackie's back yard to use on this?

Bob's right...nice and scundgy!

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That nasty looking spout is made from brass tubing cut almost through in 2 places and bent back together to make the "curve" then soldered together. The chain hangers and pivot for the spout are also brass. I put all the parts in Blacken It for a while to get that "look". I ain't talking about a little brush job with the Blacken It, I immersed the parts in the stuff (inside a plastic bag) and left them for maybe 10 minutes. Took them out & washed them off in water and there they were, just like you see them. The white calcium streaks are Tamiya flat white just splotched on here & there.  I'm fixin' to make a couple of more tanks so at least I have the spout business down.  I didn't bother to make a tapered spout since I like the look and the Diamond & Caldor tank I "modeled" has the same kind of spout...really simple.

                      Woodrow 
PS-I have since built a nice wooden ladder to replace the funky red plastic job.

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I kinda liked the funky red plastic job, didn't look like plastic at all. :thumb:

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Dave-well then if you like the funky plastic ladder (they are just fine), you might like to know that Plastruct has them (ledder stock) in scales from N to 1/2"...including O scale and 1:32 scale. They also have stairs in all the scales. It is worth it to get their catalog or look on the net...Plastruct has been making plastic scratchbuilding supplies for many years. I was just in a fiddly mood so I made some wooden ladders...Woodie

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Cool, I will have to check them out. :thumb:

The one you had leaning on the tank, reminded me of some my Grandfather used to have floating around his place back when I was more trouble than I was worth.

They had the round rungs too, and one had the round rungs with a highfalutin safety feature, a small diameter wire rod that ran under each round rung in the event the rung were to break.

Funny the details you remember when a memory is triggered. :Hmm:

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And they had those nifty round recessed washers on the outer ends too.

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Bob-whatta memory! You could probably detail the Plastruct ladder with some tiny slices of Plastruct tubing and tiny nbw's. Good heavens, I could spend more time making ladders than running trains.     Woodie

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Herb and Dave wanted to see a photo of #3 Rosa, so here she is.



Rosa is/was a Bachmann On30 0-4-0t. Long ago, I added this little 4 wheel tender to carry the batteries and r/c gear. The cab is scratchbuilt also and she is run by an English soldier complete with his WW1 helmet.



Here's another shot, both taken at the new oil tank. Soon, Rosa will be converted to burn oil along with the other MRy locos. The exception is Gila Tram #13 which will remain a coal burner because of the fine shovel built for her by Russell. Little Rosa was "painted" with Bragdon chalks mixed with alcohol/water which gives a really flat finish. Note that there is no headlight on this loco, the management will not let Rosa go out at night.           Woodie  

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Woodie wrote-

"the management will not let Rosa go out at night."

'Fraid you might get inundated with poco prole?

Interesting that you could just paint with the weathering powders- did you overspray to "fix" the finish?

As always, Impressive!


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Herb-the painted on chalk stays on pretty well, providing you don't mess with the loco too much. The neat thing is that I could wash all this off if I get tired of it. Try this, it works well and may be useful for other projects. Rosa is Rudy's little sister, be careful what you say...he's a baaaad motor scooter.        Woodrow

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Another fine creation Woodie! The technique you have used on the cab is tip top:thumb:

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Bob-the cab is made from basswood, stained with some shoe dye and alcohol. I used some Bragdon "dust bowl brown" chalk to give it a little "character"..otherwise that's about all. Rosa's little tender rides on what used to be an underframe with spoked wheels from an HO Thomas Tank freight car. I had one fellow question as to why I would put a tender behind an 0-4-0t since it carried it's own fuel & water, said it was unprototypical...until I sent him a photo of West Side Lumber Co's first loco, an 0-4-0t Porter "Star"-with it's 4 wheel tender.  I just love pickers.      Woodie 

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Hi Woodie, just finished reading through your history on mogollon. Great work and an inspiration to try out r/c. It looks as though I may have to use the tender idea for the hunslets but will choose future prototype more carefully with r/c in mind,

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Today when the sun came out, the Mogollon Railway had a visit from Steve Beck and his wonderful little On30 0-4-2t Porter. Steve models in On30, but #3 looks right at home on the MRy's twisty trackage.



Steve reports that this little jewel has some Backwoods Miniatures parts and PSC parts.



#3 spots an ore car at the Chupacabra mine.



The tiny Porter is shown beside the MRy's car shop in the early morning light. Steve built this loco to represent a Coronado Railroad job which once ran not too far from Mogollon. A fine time was had by all, and a nice lunch of tacos & fajitas was enjoyed afterward.            Woodie

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Woodie & Steve:

    Great! Both, #3 and the pictures.
    Thank you for sharing.

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Woodie

Number three looks right at home in those pictures. Glad that the rains let up enough to let you run for a while!


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Herb-I love Gromit's photo, but your visage looked OK also. Hey, I tell everybody that I have seen their photo at the PO...just some mindless jabber! Steve's little Porter does look fine on the layout, but alas, we couldn't run her there because of the 100% chance of direct short circuit, rails glowing red, and power supply becoming nuclear. #3 does run quite well on old timey power however. Well, the rains are due again so Mogollon sleeps under wraps until sunny days in the future.    Woodie 

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Well, I guess that it wasn't such a smart move to sell that shallow draft sternwheeler a while back now was it? You could be offering service from Mudge's back door to your motorhome if you had put R/C in it.



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I have been jabbering for a while about the Mogollon Railway's conversion from coal to oil fired locos. The lone exception is Gila Tramway's 4-4-0 which will remain coal fired since it has Russ' beautiful coal shovel onboard. Here is a photo of the MRy's "new" oil tankcar and the Hunt Oil Co oil delivery truck.



The tank car was built using a Bachmann On30 tank with a funky old wooden flat car. The Oil truck is a die cast 1934 Ford truck with a tank made from...a 1:35 scale German V2 rocket section (yep) and some associated piping and junk. When the weather permits, the new car will be part of the operating scheme. Now, the EPA will have to deal with oil spills along the Gila Rim.         Woodie

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Woodie:

         They both looks great!
         Could you post more pictures of them?
        The open frame of the tank car looks excelent!

                                                  Daniel

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Woodie, I'm blown away by the MRwy!!  First 1:35/1:32 is brilliant, there's so much stuff available.  The light weight sections and then putting it all outside.  I find it amazing that by just covering it with plastic sheeting it holds up to the weather.
This thing is really inspirational.  There's a large train show this weekend, I may be looking for some On30 stuff to bash!!!
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Dave-I suppose that if I lived in the "north country" or somewhere where the weather is more extreme, I would have trains in the house. The reason I have this stuff outside is because I reside in a motor home and have no place for a layout. My friend Bill (Mudge) has kindly let me build this "monstrosity" in his back yard and over time, it has just grown up. If this layout was "traditional" (wired and needing electrical attention), it would not be acceptable. Being outside, I have problems that real railroads have, trackwork going in and out of gauge, debris on the track, critters on the rails, birds hanging around, and a monster cat who loves to jump up and sleep on the smelter at will. The scale/gauge is due to the fact that I was into On30 and had a few locos, trucks, and other stuff and wanted to model "extreme narrow gauge"...in 1:35 scale, 16.5 MM gauge is very close to 24" gauge...1:32 scales out to 20" gauge. Both scales are close enough for me to use together (to the consternation of the finescale bretheren). I built a loco and diorama in this scale about 25 years ago, and what was a diversion then is now the rule. There is a lot of stuff available, I use O scale stuff, parts, etc., some HO stuff, and anything else I find that works. BTW-CTT has scale rulers available for 1:32 & 1:35 (as well as most other scales) so rivets can be measured before counting.

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Hey! Mr. Greene has changed cats! :bg:

Is this the same pet but older?

Nothing new from the Dutch frontier. Still using trackpower. Sorry. But my feet are still wet so......

Found me a real job lately so there will be some room soon to spend some buck's on real rc-stuff.

Cu, Albert

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Albert-Peach Head is taking a short nap as an avitar. He snoozes a lot being a cat and some of that snoozing can take place on the Mogollon Railway which is sure to get him in trouble...if the supt. happens to see him. Since you are still using track power, be sure your feet aren't wet...you could get a shock!

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Nicely done! The more I read this thread the more I'm tempted to switch from that pesky ON30 gauge to something a blind old man like myself can scrathbuild a bit! btw, the Bloated Goat bar was named because of the roof of the saloon was swaybacked and the walls pushed out like a bloated goat, cheers, Duane

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Duane-welcome to freerails! You are right, "On30 on steroids" is a bit easier to do and actually tends to cost less than modeling in O scale. An example: O scale Ford Model T kit is $49.95...a 1:32 scale Ford Model T kit is $8.95. Right there is a great reason to jump up into a slightly larger scale.

If you are able, try to be with us for our weekly Sunday night chat-9PM Central time in the US. This week, my computer is working again after an illness induced by an Aussie slot car website (beware of that one). I will promise that you will not become infected with anything except the personalities of the "gang".  Hope to see you then.         Woodie 

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Woodie:

      Could you post a link where to find those 1/32 or 1/35 Ford model T?
      I know an upcoming apple farm who needs a couple of those!

                               Daniel

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Daniel-check out LINDBERG MODELS for their 1:32 scale line of old Fords and Chevrolets. These fine old kits have been around for some years but have been re-released and are available now. These are nice kits with good detailing including suspension, motors and transmissions, and nice rubber (spongy plastic) tires.  Also available are some great 1:35 scale Ford AA trucks from the Russian company ZVEZDA which fit in quite well. These models may not be advertised as being Ford models but could be classed as "Soviet Army truck WW2".  If you have any IPMS (International Plastic Modeling Society) shows over there, you might be able to find old REVELL 1:32 Model T kits and some fine old "4 in 1" antique cars by MINICRAFT. I believe AIRFIX also made some nice 1:32 models, their WW1 "Old Bill" double deck bus is neat as is the kit for the bus and a 1911 fire truck in a "2 in 1" kit. And...there are die cast metal models available from NATIONAL MOTOR MINT and DIECAST DIRECT which are not much more money than the LINDBERG kits. I hope this helps you.

I am very glad to hear that you will be building YOUR OWN STUFF for a change. We will miss the fine laser kits, but you need to "do your own thing" for a change.

Here's a question: aside from my models and some 1:32 coach kits bought by my friend Sullivan, how many of these nice models did you sell ? (if you don't mind my asking)

            Take care, old friend...keep in touch.           Woodie

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Woodie:

    Thank you for the cars/trucks info.
    Ihave ordered a Zvezda truck a couple of days ago after Jihn Vogelaar showed me one while visiting him a week ago.
    The Airfix bus has been something I fancy since 1977, but now they are gone. I know very well your wonderful work on it. Of course I'll jump on it if I see one at a reasonable price.

    About the FCALV kits: not much. Not even enought to cover the costs. We started FCALV when the crisis was already alarming everybidy. At least I like to think it was that.  Sales where extremely low until a month ago, then it started to move and after stoping the project I've received a dozen of orders I sadly was forced to refuse.
    I started it all from my own 1/32 dream and expecting to have the best sales at that area, but it wasn't so. i think of all 1/32 kits we have sold a dozen or even less, including your friend's ones.
    The best selling ones where de 0n18 and (never reached the website)  the 5,5 scale range wich included four different ciaches. But, again, sales where very, very low.
    I don't know exactly how many kits where sold. Actualkly I trusted the guys in Buenos Aires and didn't control that. But I supose that in total (including all scales) some 40 kits where sold. I may be wrong.
    At the end I didn't earn any cent nor even covered any of the costs.
   In conclusion: nex time -if there will be one- I produce kits for sale I'll avoid to go further than what I can do myself.
   I know: you preventyed me many times about all this, but couldn't avoid making my own experience.
   Now I'm planing to start experimenting with resin castings and seeing what would be the costs to order here in Holland some etchings, laser and cnc milling work.
   At the beginning I dramed about doing all that myself but now I see it wouldn't left any personal modelling space at all. So I have learnt what my priorities are.
   I don't regret the experience: I've learnt a lot -really a lot- and most of all, I discovered I prefer the less perfect models i can build myself than a whole range of nice kits I can't enjoy because there is not time left.
   Until today I had no chance of building not even one of my kits for myself!
   Of course that is changing.
   I've decided to go 1/35 but still on 16.5 track. Specially because four good Dutch modellers i know are going that way and I would like to have the possibility of sharing and eventually creating a kind of compatible (sectional) layout together.
   One sad aspect of the end of FCALV is that all the dioramas I was working on have lost their sense. A lot of work and money have been wasted but since i was expecting several laser cuts to finish them I supose they will remain unfinished.
   I will see if, at least,  I do something with the 0n18 and Gn15 ones, which where pretty advanced.
   For the rest I will focus on 1/35 and a Mediterranean scene. I think South France/Northwest Italy.
   Also -don't get mad- the accent will not be on trains but on architecture: after the DAS clay experience I can't avoid modelling at least a decent village and a couple of farms, a little waterfront scene and a market.
   Another project I really want to do is something similar but in an old DSutch scene.
   It seems it will become a row of small portable layouts with different themes but able to connect with each other.
   We'll see.
   To begin with I must rebuild (again!)  the room I have built for FCALV. It is a nice and comfortable workplace but designed specifically for working on FCALV kits, too ordered, too neat and too little chaos for my taste. Most of all, no room left for a layout. Once all that is gone I'll have at least enough space for four 2'X 4" sections.
   After more than an year working full-time for FCALV I had a huge pile of boxes with all kind of "future projects" and -that is a nice side of it-  that "futur" is now.

  Yesterday I borught home my first 1/32 module. Remember? That was 2 years ago!
  I have discarded the buildings -which will be replaced by new ones made with DAS-
  and see how I manage to get into RCC (I really have no minimal feeling for electronics!).

  So that is the landscape from here.

                         Daniel

  

  
 
  
 
 

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Daniël,

Sorry for 'bumbing' in in your story. I've read your recent posts here and it makes me feel a bit sad. Believe me I'm not playing the wise guy but I think I know what you are going thrue now. (I had my share of bad bussinesses) This is not over by tomorrow, but you will come out stronger as you were before. "Kop op!" is what we say over here. :2t:

I understand you are already starting with new plans, that's a good sign! I hear you're changing to 1:35 scale. I'm still building in 1:45 on 16,5mm track (industrial scene) and not even close to completion, but already thinking of something new. 1:35 or 1:32 are sure good options. I feel that scale is becoming more and more popular here. We have at least one big inspirator in The Netherlands for 1:35 and I believe you know who I mean! Haven't made my mind up, lets see what 2010 brings us! (And there is still that battery-RC-thing of course......) ;)

Ah, and what I almost forget: I'm curious about your DAS-clay technique. I and not me alone would be pleased to see and hear how it works and how it looks!

All the best,

Albert

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Albert:

     Thank you.
     It is not that i feel discouraged. At 59 is too late for such a thing.     
     It has to do with what Woodie has been telling me before i started: ik may destroy my hobby. Looking back I see I have received in one year more than
110.000 e-mails. Yes Onehundredtenthousand, no error. I've been working more than 3.000 hours and also Henrik has done a huge work. The only thing we have got is alot of interesting knowledge and experience but we both have left most of our real modelling for that.
     A couple of moths ago a flu virus came and made me awake. Because I felt noi good at all I stay at home and for the very fiirst time in more than a year I did some modelling for myself. It was just great.
      When the troubles with the cutters arised I was working on several dioramas (one for each scale of our kits) and spending again all my time and money on that.
      Now i am breathing again and as the days goes by I see it was just far too much and no proportion with the results.
     I'm sure in one or two years FCALV would have been working very well. But it has no sense to get nostalgic.
     I will see how resin casting and I like each other. If it works and is true that the resin I am planing to use is really smell less (so i will not get troubles with my neighbours) I will do a second try with small serie production.  But at the moment I need to recover.
    One thing I must do fast is to reduce the 214 groups and forums where I have been participating to a maximum of a dozen.
     Rebuilding my trains room is another priority.
     In de mean time i will give resin casting a try.
     Once all that is done I will seriously reflect about new possibilities.
L:


 But at the moment I just follow the Mogollon spirit and want to have modelling FUN.

:rah::rah::rah::2t:


     The only possible exception would be if a millionaire suddenly appears and say: "Daniel: I pay you 3.000 euros a month and you may design. built and produce what you want.":us:

     But as long as that don't happens i will stay at :rah::rah::rah:




                             Daniel

                        

   


           Daniel

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Daniel Osvaldo Caso wrote: Looking back I see I have received in one year more than 110.000 e-mails.One thing I must do fast is to reduce the 214 groups and forums where I have been participating to a maximum of a dozen.
Once all that is done I will seriously reflect about new possibilities.

That's far too many emails for anyone to deal with. I think I can see a cull of the Yahoo group memberships - with the way they're set up, you have to get every posting straight into your inbox, just on the off chance they might be relevant.

Trouble is, most of them turn out to be anything but relevant - and ploughing through skip loads of what's effectively spam is enough to drive anyone mad.

Even going through the "message boards" on Yahoos doesn't always help - especially if the whole board gets clogged up for weeks with stuff you're not interested in. That's what drove me away from them - I've set my remaining ones to "no mail" and I just check every few weeks to see if there are any interesting files. Some people might call it lurking - I call it safeguarding my sanity.

 

Returning to the kits, I know you could cut the laser guys out of the loop entirely - and start selling PDFs of your designs on the internet. Scalescenes (http://www.scalescenes.com) are already doing this with their card building kits. However, this would do nothing about the number of emails you have to deal with.

Far better to do what you're doing - take some time off the treadmill - and decide what's best for you when the time is right. Your health is far more important than any business - especially one that's given you nothing but grief.

It'll probably take some time to get to the point where you can even do some modelling for yourself, without getting stressed. That's the way it goes - I'm sure everyone round here is willing to be patient. We're also looking forward to hearing from you when things are back on an even keel.

In the meantime, I hope the remaining stresses get resolved quickly - and in a way that works for you.

Take care.

All the best,

Huw.

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Daniël,

".......     The only possible exception would be if a millionaire suddenly appears and say: "Daniel: I pay you 3.000 euros a month and you may design. built and produce what you want.":us:........"

Ha, if I were a rich man...... tadadadadadadadadada! (I would still modell, just for fun, as I do now! ;))

Hou je taai,

groet,

Albert

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Today, Mr Sullivan phoned me to see if I was still alive since I haven't posted anything lately. Well, I have been a bit busy. Even though the layout is covered up right now due to lousy weather, new rolling stock is being built. Here are a couple of photos showing the Mogollon Railway's yards choked with both old and new cars-count is up to 19.

Gilpin Tramway car #69 in the foreground is owned by a local mine and only that car can be used on their property' The red oxide car between new blue cars in the background was built for the Chisos Tram by Mr. Sullivan and the new cars were built (more or less) to his specs.



The 5 cars on the left at front are the original ore cars, 4 feet wide. The new 5' wide cars are light blue and the two cars in the center foreground have been weathered. All the cars (except #69) ride on Bachmann On30 archbars which look similar to Silver City trucks and in 1:35 scale, the trucks have a 3' wheelbase with 16" dia. wheels...and the track gauge is 24". These photos are not artistic, they just mean to reassure all that I am indeed not kaput and work is being done. 

                      Woodie

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You wouldn't listen when I told you to buy the place next door--- now look what a constipated pickle that you have gotten yourself into!!


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Very Nice-That takes some patience to build the same model over and over, but seeing a string of them makes it worthwhile!

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Mmm...impressive...

That's a lot of ore cars, my friend. I cannot wait for decent weather so we can make some runs to the mines. This snow and drizzle is depressing.

But it does give one time to work on projects...or entertain grandsons...

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Woodie:

I am building Phase 2 Gilpin ore cars. In the chat on Sun. nite I said phase 3, I was confused:doh: Checked out Squadron's website today, I will be ordering lots of stuff from them:thumb: Thanks

Ken

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Ken,

You might want to check out Hobbyterra, a link to which I'm posting.  It's a company in Russia that sells over the web. I have purchased from them before and they offer pretty fast shipping and free shipping at a certain amount of purchases. They can offer kits and prices that can't be found elsewhere. I took the chance and was rewarded. In fact, they have so many new things out I need to order again.

http://www.hobbyterra.com/default.asp

If nothing else, it's a fun place to look. Look at MiniArt and Masterbox first.

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Wow, HOBBYTEERRA has some really cool stuff.  I'm just a bit wary about ordering from Russia.
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Yep-if I had the dinero, I would order a bunch of stuff  James Sullivan has no problems with them, he got his order in a very short time. You might check SQUADRON here in the US, they have a bunch of very cool stuff that works for model railroading. The special of the day might be ITALIARE (sp) field tool kit in 1:35. The stuff included works well in 1:48 also, I have probably bought 6 or 8 of these kits over the last few years...we all need more field tools.    Woodie

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dottney wrote: I'm just a bit wary about ordering from Russia.

I was really wary of ordering myself. I don't know that it is really in Russia but definitely one of the eastern European countries judging from the printing on the boxes and labels. Even the box was a bit different from the corragated we have in the states.

All the kits came in their bags, the boxes still folded and unused.

I was amazed at the speed of delivery. I expected the 2 to 3 week period and while I don't remember the exact time frame I was surprised when the box arrived because I just did not expect it.

I plan to order again because I know I will get my stuff. They have new figure kit out that I really want. Also, I believe that the order is actually placed with a forwarding company in the US.

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Absolutely fantastic!  You are a true craftsman woodie!  Can't wait to see this thing in person.

Gary

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Thanks Gary-I view myself as a hacker & blacksmith, but I appreciate the kind words. The nasty weather has caused the Mogollon Railway to stop operations until the ground dries up and the warm sun comes out again. Spring and summer can't get here soon enough!                 Woodie

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Woodie,

From everything I've seen you are no hack, good sir.  That layout just has the right 'feel'...there are 10,000 stories unfolding in that little slice of heaven.

Gary

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Here is a photo of the smelter, I am working toward making this look like it could handle several mines. More to do.



Sorry about the shadows, when you work outside, you take what you get for lighting.  The smelter "complex" now has the furnace (far right), the casting room and compressor room (new building on left), a small machine shop on the upper level, and a cover on the rotary dumper also on the top level. The siding on the lower level is 1:35n3 and I need to build another car for it. The weather hasn't been nice lately so this is the first time that I have been able to assemble the scene.  This is a nice break from building strings of ore cars.      Woodie  

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Woodie:
              Looks great!
              I wouldn't change those shadows: a strong sun must be usual at Mogollon.
             
Could you post a couple of other views including one of the now covered rotary?
(Sorry amigo, but being popular and dealing with public's expectations go together!)

                                                                                                                     #:-)


                            Daniel

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Will do, sir! Right now, I am having fun running loads to the smelter and then will have to cover it all up again...we may have more rain & snow!!! next week. I can't wait for spring & summer.      Woodie

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WOODIE FOR PRESIDENT !!!

                                                       #:-)

              

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Woodie:

Great job on the smelter, I love it. Can't wait for warmer, dryer weather either. We needed the moisture, but enough is enough!!!

What axles and wheels are you using for your 3 ft. boxcar? We talked about this in the chat session, but I can't remember what you said. (old age getting to me.)

Thanks and keep up the fantastic work in 1:35n2.

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Woodie,

Lookin' good...

Wish things would dry out a bit so I can pop over and see all the additions up close and in person.

Yeah...waiting for some real spring weather without the rainy part.

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Ken-for the boxcar, I used Precision Scale O gauge archbar trucks, Atlas makes/made some in plastic that would work also. Since I wasn't worried about anything more than scenery with the car, I made new bolsters from plastic and cut the axles in half, cut some off them, and made new "axles" from brass tubing the right size so I could slip the wheels/axles in and glue to the proper gauge. Actually, the trucks seem to roll OK anyway. The big thing was finding "scale" size couplers. If I had used l&p's, then no problem to make...the knuckle couplers are an old, old pair of MDC/Roundhouse O scale couplers from way way back. Herbie sent me some old Monarch couplers which mate with the MDC and I will use on another car. Again, I believe PSC makes some nice O scale AAR couplers which would be fine. The neat Herb couplers have slots in the knuckles for links & pins in case I want something like that. The boxcar isn't much larger than a standard O scale 40 foot boxcar, it's a scale 30 footer. Sullivan supplied the nice brakewheel, maybe he can give info on that. As for 35 scale brakewheels on the ore cars, etc.-SELLEY (from Bowser) has a package of 12 "O scale" curly spoke wheels which work out fine for what James & I are building. I made a little mold of the ratchet & pawl assembly from old watch gears and NBW's and scraps of plastic and any time I need these details, I just slap some epoxy into the mold & have the part later. Not much else to add, the boxcar was an interesting project and generally follows a plan of an old Carter car from the NPC which was in the Gazette some years back. Is this enough info? Have I blathered too long? It's looking like rain so I better go and cover up the line again. I HATE WINTER!

                        Woodie

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Woodie:

Thanks for the info about the trucks for 1:35n3. I am going to build models of the Colorado Central gondolas and boxcars so I'll use link and pin couplers. My choice for a loco is C.C. #4 0-6-0, I'll use Fletchers articles to build it.

I appreciate the info, and hope the weather starts improving for you soon.

Ken

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Ken,

The brake wheels that Woodie mentions in his post came from a guy back east who supplies white metal cast parts for circus modelers. I have the info at home.

I was told by my source that he's a rather contankerous sort and only sells to locals at the one show back east that he attends. I found him to be quite nice to the guy from Texas.

I do plan to make another order from him fairly soon and even (cautiously) ask if there are other items he casts that I would find useful.

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HmmL: 8 hours of windshield time and I could be there for a run session.

Woodie thats one slick layout brother.:thumb:

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Bob-brought yerself on down! When winter is over and the drought sets in, I will be able to actually plan things on the railroad. If the weather cooperates, in March, the Outlaw On30 group is meeting in the yard for some business and some running.  This is on the 4th Saturday at about 10AM. The guys meet, fiddle around, run a train or two, and then retire to Fat Daddy's for burgers and free beer. Any of you guys reading this who would like to visit, here is a pretty much "definite" time. Of course, anytime is OK if it ain't raining or 20 degrees. If burgers & beer ain't your thing, Tex-Mex and beer is available also. Or heck, just bring beer & we'll figure it out. PM me if you are coming down, Bobby & Gary live close by and they may want to meet. Of course, Mr Sullivan will be here also to check up on how badly I whacked up his beautiful ore car so it would fit into the rotary.

No visit would be complete without a visit to the Mudge Museum of antique HO and HOn3 so plan on spending time here.

                              Woodie 

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WOOOOOHOOOOO:glad: Can't hardly wait.:2t:

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Very Nice!

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I would be obliged to attend. I will have to see what the agenda is here first.

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Hey Woodie

I really enjoyed Englebert's thread about his Garratt - especially the YouTube videos - and the photo of your Mogollon #4. Do you have any more photos you could post?

Terrific little loco!

Cheers

Brian

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Brian-check out Switching the Mines here on this site. The Garratt is shown doing some work. #4 now has an "open cab" since she took a spill in Tres Diablos Canyon and I think I will keep her that way.

                   Woodie

PS-there is a video of #4 running in the Mogollon Railway video on youtube. This was done by one of the young Outlaws. Sorry, but I don't have the link...

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Your young friend does nice work, I like how he made some sections of the video look like old film. 

Two that I found....

On your layout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nfmiyad-1s&feature=related



and at the Fort Worth Show....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Ys0WBmZ8Q

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Thanks, Woodie. It might have helped if I had spelled "garratt" correctly when I did my search! In any case, #4 is a terrific locomotive.

Thanks also for the YouTube links, Dave.

HHmmm... I wonder if I can run a garratt on a micro....

Cheers

Brian

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:cool: video I like your layout. The blue grass was an excellent touch:thumb:

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Brian-a small 0-4-0+0-4-0 Garratt probably would run on a micro. My 1:35n2 job might work around 12" curves, but the overhang of the center section might look a little outrageous. You'd sure need some clearance on the inside of the curves.  I'd say go for it.  My thanks to young Stephen Greif of the Outlaws for the nice video. Stephen is now on the road (track) to becomming a Motorman on the McKinney Avenue Transit Authority here in Dallas, he will be running the real thing.            Woodie

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Dave-here is a photo of a Daniel Caso caboose with spoked wheels in the trucks.



I remember that you wanted to see what the trucks looked like. Spoked wheels are the only type to run under this wonderful Caso model. Daniel's kits were/are the best.

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Pretty nice Woodie.

Ya gotta love those spoked wheel sets.

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The great figures really set off your layout. They  make it look so real one would think it is a photo of a real scene.
Really super work.
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Well, look what the "first day of spring" brought to the Mogollon Railway!





This is the 2nd time that the MRy has slept under a snowy blanket this year. I just thought ya'll would like to see what's happening in "Big D"

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Yikes!

It was in the 50's up here.

What a weird world.

Hang in there Woodie, it will be gone in a day or two...except possibly in the higher elevations on the Mogollon!

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:f:That just plain sucks!!!!! What did you do to mother nature to get that response? Hope nothing was damaged. Actually looks kind of like my yard in Colo.
                                                                              Clif K. :w:

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Today it's 60 degrees, the covers are off, and #1 will be running some loads to the smelter before the day is out. I have my little layout outside for some dirt applications, but feel that the loaded ore cars may take over this afternoon's plans. Well, that's after coffee with Muj & Singlefoot at Mickey D's......

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Back in them there olden days before I found about radio control and decided to build in a larger scale, I built this layout-the Mogollon Railway. It was an On20 layout, using HOn3 MDC Shay locos all fixed up into O scale and a combination of Grandt O scale Gilpin Tram ore cars and scratchbuilt cars running on HOn3 trucks. I described this in the On20 Gila Tram thread so I won't bore you with it here. Suffice to say, the On20 MRy was the "inspiration" for what I have now. I have shown some photos of the old layout in the Gila thread but thought since this was the "original" Mogollon Railway, I would post some pix here.



#1 Porter 0-4-0t was a reguaged Bachmann On30 loco, shown here switching a mine which had an incline to fill the tipples. One of the MRy's Shays waits on the main for this to happen.



Shay #4 brings some empty ore cars across Tres Diablos Canyon. The scenery here was rugged as h#&& and some wrecks occured at this place.



Shay #4 in another incarnation is pushing the caboose on the "loop" which was modeled after the Silver City NG scenic feature. Later, I built a 1:35n2 model of this same caboose for the "new" MRy.



The train barely has rrom to move between the scrapyard and passing siding. That old "coach" was made from  a Grandt Porter steam dummy body.



James Sullivan will like this one. Here is the old blue & white trailer being used as the office for the monorail. That monorail did indeed run (very wobbly!) and had maybe 10 feet of track to negotiate. The monorail cars were made from Grandt O scale Koppel dump cars.

I have found more old photos of the first Mogollon Railway and will try to share them when I can.

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Here are some photos taken by Muj back when I started building the current layout. This was inside my old home and the background was made from brown butcher paper. It has that "impressionist" look that Muj likes.



This was the end of the line. The turntable was behind what is now the car knocker shop.



Here is the passing siding and some of the monorail.



More of the monorail and the start of the high line and switchback.



The old Lost Money mine (now the Chupacabra mine without the building). Back then, the only locos were Shay #1 and Rudy, #2. The cars were V tippers and that caboose went to the floor of the canyon one day and became a pile of sticks.



This was as far as it went. There was no downtown Mogollon, no smelter, no enginehouse....just 5 sections. Muj says that these photos can be strung together into a panorama but I don't know (yet) how to do this. The background is what he wanted me to show. This is the beginning of the layout I have now.

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Woodie:

That old On20 layout is looking fantastic!!! Was it a modular type layout? I really liked the brown paper "background", neat idea, I just might incorporate that on my Gilpin Tram layout, which by the way, is coming along slow but sure. Your Micro layout is really looking good also. Keep up the good work.

Ken

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These are the first photos of his present 1/35th rail line. They were taken in his old abode in Oak Cliff (Dallas).

Still look darn good.

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             :apl::apl::apl::apl::apl::apl::apl::apl:

                                                  Daniel

My only comment is: more pictures, please !!!

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Woodie-

Any future plans to rebuild the monorail on the outdoor layout?



Herbie  :old dude:

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Herb-the monorail on the outdoor line is just a static piece. I will get it back together sometime...just for looks. However, the little monorail shown in the old photos of the On20 layout actually operated, after a fashion. I had about 10 feet of track for it and it ran a couple of times, just so I could "brag" about it. Being a dc powered thing, it was a real hassle to build, a r/c version would be lots easier. But since I have maybe 4 feet for the larger scale one, I didn't want to mess with making something to run.  A layout with just a monorail and it's connection would be cool but Muj might not like more "scenery" creeping into the yard!

The monorail was inspired by the Epsom Salts line out in Nevada which connected with the Trona RR. There was a piece about it in the Gazette a while back and it is included in Myrick's "Railroads of Nevada" series.

There are more photos of all this stuff, I just want to show the best of them. With a digital camera, I can shoot a photo and if it ain't right, then I can erase it and shoot another. The old pix I have shown were done with a 35MM camera and color prints. There (as you know), you take a roll of photos, take them to get developed, pay through the nose, wait several days, and maybe, MAYBE one photo looks OK. I love digital cameras, they give instant results. As for the old photos, I haul them outside in the sunlight and take a digital photo, then the image is cropped so it looks like it should and then sent here...or somewhere else.

                               Woodie

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Here's a panorama of a great layout!



Cheers

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Thanks Brian! I was going to try to do what you did, but you beat me to it! I really appreciate this.

                    Woodie

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Hi Woodie

Here is a screen-sized version (1680x295) that can be downloaded if anyone is interested. This layout is so good, the bigger the photo, the better!

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/TbF03BEr7O1zUPxEL1otpQ?feat=directlink

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Brian-you're gonna kill me for this, but we found ONE LAST PHOTO!!!



This is Tres Diablos Canyon which shows both the high & low lines. This would be on the far left side in the panorama view. Again, I am sorry for this one turning up.

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Please tell me you don't have any more!!

Murphy's Law: the more you add the less you see.

So here it is screen-sized:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WLufFaNxNt_P2BbXQ_L9GQ?feat=directlink

And, here is the panorama in full size (lots of scrolling):
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kcI9i2t5Q9kIrLcmd00BWA?feat=directlink

No matter what, it's still a great layout. I'm sure it will be written into the history of the current Mogollon RR.



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OPPS - in each case they must be downloaded to get the full sized version.

Sorry

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Nice touch Brian. The butcher paper mountains don't look like paper in the panorama shots.  Great "starter" pics of the Mogollon Woodie.

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Here's a photo of the "new kid" on the line. The MRy's previous railcars and trucks really failed to please the management, it was time for a new machine.



Here she is. I know that it is still a Model T on flanged wheels, but this one makes me happy (if one can be happy about such a thing). The "new T" is made from one of the Lindberg kits which I have stashed for "projects". What makes this one different is that the hood is open and the motor has plug wires, etc. and the cab interior is detailed instead of being full of battery & r/c stuff. Oh, and there are the beloved curvy spoke wheels in the lead truck..not only spokes, but curved! The mechanicals are the same as the old one: gearhead motor, r/c board, and small battery-all under the tarp over the back end. Basil likes the new car and is shown taking a ride with his favorite pooch. Manuel is "visiting" a lady in one of the adobe buildings here on Chihuahua Hill. There are more things to come.

                   Woodie

 

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The modelling is very good but the backdrop is like Tracey Emin's 'unmade bed'!

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John-I don't know what Tracey's unmade bed looks like, but the ladies in the "cribs" behind the railtruck don't have time to make their "beds". Life on Chihauaha Hill is as wild as...the old West (a purely US thing).

                      Woodie

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Woodie, one of the great mysteries for me is modern art. That some damn woman who, frankly, has not even managed to master the Queens English, can win the Turner Prize with an unmade bed utterly defeats me.

Personally, I rather suspect she never bothered to make her bed before the Turner Prize, and now, no doubt, she has a maid to do it!

http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/artpages/tracey_emin_my_bed.htm

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John-I will bet that she can sell that unmade bed for lots of pocket change, looks like a lonely thing however.

                              Woodie

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She is making a fortune these days for these things she calls 'art'. It really pisses me off!

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Hell that looks like my daughters beds when they were home.  You mean I could have made money shooting a pic (art?) of a messy bedroom? :bang:

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Yep, don't it make you sick!

The Turner Prize is the no 1 prize given each year for 'art'. The judges, are, I believe, selected from some home for folks with learning difficulties.

JdF

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"E PUR SI MUOVE"

                                          Daniel

                               

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Yes, Daniel, and proud of it. Thing is that all this stuff is done with taxpayers money!

Woodie....the layout is just wonderful!

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Well, I am not going to make a thread of this but my Latin blood forces me to say:

   Much worse things are being doing with tax money. Senseless wars for example.

   Still,  I would accept  a work of art is worthless  just after hearing a serious opinion. That means after giving it serious attention.
   To desqualificate modern art from a superficial old man's comon place don't seems to me seriousf enough.
   Cezanne's work was also systematically rejected from the Salon d'Autune (sorry, my French is inexistent) because the jury  found what he did was not art. Just to mention one.
   Every generation provides a wide range of art experiences. How could we judge without paying serious attention to learn their specific language?
   Of course we don't understand. At least not as long as we stay fixed to what we already "know".
 
   The brown paper of Woodie's pictures is playing whith a wider spirit: to really see it you need to create a free  space in your mind so you can cover a bit the range from figuration to abstraction.

    Conceptually not different than  three of four rows of trees to sugest a woods landscape at the background.
  
    Knowing Mogollon Ry  I know it's natural background is a real garden. So I can easily understand Woodie's choice for a vague but genial abstraction for the photos that sugest very well the dry mountains landscape of the Mexican/American border.

   I understand your point of view, but I don't agree.

   A real modeller, in my opinion, as every artist, has the right to create own laws for his work .

   There is nothing wrong at keeping focussed just on "reality" (...) but neither at playing freely with an open mind.

   I  respect your and other finescaler's work. But Woodie's has something finescalers have never achieved so far as I know: it has a strong, living, stimulating soul. A spirit of joy that provocates and encourages me as Punta Marina and few other layouts do.

                            Daniel

   

 
  

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Daniel,

I have no idea what you are on about. What started off as a light heart rib to Woodie, joke, josh, whatever.... has become some big issue which is obviously aerating you.

I actually love Woodie's work and think his modelling is most excellent. Suggest that you are having problems with understanding my humour. It is always hard in foreign languages.

My opinion on modern art is my own and I really do not wish to continue this on Woodie's thread.

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Danial, I couldn't  have said it better.  I have known Woodie over 30 years and have considered his modeling to be more "artful" than just modeling something that existed or might have existed as most of us do.

I think it's the way he uses figures in his scenes that brings "soul" to the layout and the structures and rolling stock add "character".  It all just seems right.

I also think the scale has something to do with it.  Woodie models in 1:35th scale so more detail is visible to the eye than in say HO or especially N and Z.  The bigger the scale the more the 3 foot rule comes into effect.

And finally, one thing we could all do to improve our layouts is weather EVERYTHING.  Even a new car has subtle weathering especially when modeling a steam era layout where coal dust and soot collect on anything near the tracks.

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One man's trash is another man's art.

Come on folks, we're here to have FUN with our model trains. And each of us approaches this goal differently. There is no 'right or wrong' way of accomplishing that goal.

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#:-)

    I must say I visit Mogollon Ry -so farcjust in the net- very often. Even when there are no news. I know every single scene from memory but still I get lots of inspitration.
But what amazes me is the feeling of joy it radiates.

    Yes, the way the figures are used makes a lot too. Everywhere is something happening. Delightful!

                              Daniel

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   I  respect your and other finescaler's work. But Woodie's has something finescalers have never achieved so far as I know: it has a strong, living, stimulating soul. A spirit of joy that provocates and encourages me as Punta Marina and few other layouts do.

Well put Daniel!

And to (hopefully) put the art discussion to rest, I'm afraid that time doesn't make some art better--to wit Picasso- Dali


"Art is in the eye of the beholder"---Anonymous

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I hope to end this fracas about unmade beds with one photo which shows how well-maintained the MRy's surroundings appear.



In this tableau, Peach Head is defending his spot from a pooch who fails to see a large goose heading his way. As you can see, everything is carefully placed and neat as...neat as...awww nuts! In looking at this, I see that there is a rather large dried leaf between the old vechicles...I consider that "extra detail" and don't ask how long it took me to add the spider webs to the scene. Now, where's that unmade bed?

                                        Woodrow, PH, and even Muj...

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                     :apl::glad::apl:


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To again clarify my reference to an unmade bed.this referred to the wrinkles in the temporary backdrop....nothing more, nothing less.

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John-actually, I love unmade beds!                 Woodie

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And one more scene showing how organized things are.



Manuel is thinking about making that old "section bike" run again. The old car under the shed is used to take a couple of guys up grade and then they are cut loose and get to ride down the 10% and hopefully stay on the track. Tourists pay big bucks for this ride!

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Great scenes, Woodie! I love the arrangement of all the bits and pieces.Gives me something to work towards now that I have most of the major stuff out of the way.

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Woodie:

     I think most fellows here will agree, it is time for a parade with all Mogollon Ry. rollingstock, locos and contrivances.
                                                          :time:

                                                                        :glad::glad::glad::glad::glad:

                           Daniel

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Daniel~~~~~~~

I agree, wholeheartedly

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I forgot:

        Also all those people should be present at the parade with their names and tales.

                             :time::slow::us:

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Daniel, Muj-OK, I will show the locos and rolling stock, but many of the folks living on the Gila Rim hesitate to have their photos taken, due to either religious reasons or perhaps they are running from "the law". And of course, there are a few nazis who would flee if I tried to photograph them. I will see what I can do.

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          I see.
          Good folk there!

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OK then, here are the locomotives of the Mogollon Railway. Remember that they are well-used and maybe some paint is worn off here and there. All these locos have logged many hours on the railroad. We begin with #1...



Old #1 was made from a Bachmann On30 Shay with many new 1:35/1:32 parts. Like sister loco #5, the Shays have custom driveline pinions made by Mr. Herbert Kephart and they both have new driveline/universals using PSC parts. This loco is around 10 years old.



Little #2-Rudy- is probably the crew favorite. #2 was the first loco built for the MRy, a Bachmann 0-4-2t with PSC parts and scratchbuilt cab & bunker. The battery is in the cab roof and board in the bunker. Rudy and sister Rosa handle switching at the smelter.



#3 Rosa was built on my first radio controled On30 Porter, the board and battery is in her little tender behind (too cute?). As mentioned, Rosa has no headlight since she's not allowed to go out at night.



Garratt #4 is the only MRy loco not made from a Bachmann On30 engine. This is the road's "big power" and can pull all the cars on the line up the 10% grade! The valve gear is fun to watch, both engines are powered. #4 lost her cab a while back and the crew likes the "open air"-it got rather warm in the old metal cab.



Shay #5 lost her cab when she went off the Tres Diablos bridge and now has this canvas top. The engineer is sitting on the battery, of course he likes it that way. #5 has a boiler from an old HO MDC locomotive and PSC parts here and there.

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4-4-0 #13 is owned by the Gila Tramway and is used to pull the tourist trains to the Gila cliff dwellings. All I did to this one was to make a new cab and PSC parts stuck on. This loco is the only coal burner left, will stay that way since #13 has that beautiful coal shovel made by Russell on the coal pile in the tender. Recently, #13 was used to switch ore cars (did quite well in that job) but lost her nice cow catcher in the process.

Well, I hope you enjoyed the "tour" , up next will be shots of ore cars and other "special" cars used on the Mogollon Railway.

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          Now you are talking.

          Excellent!

          Can't wait to see the rest.

          Thank you.

                                             Daniel

                                                                         :rah::rah::rah:

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Cool stuff Woodie.

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Love um all Woodie!

If I had to choose I would pick #1 as my favorite, although the little funky porters do tug at the heart strings.

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Rudy-Rudy-Rudy-Rudy

Herbie :old dude:

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I dunno Herb. I'm partial to Rosa since she's more stripped than Rudy. ;)

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Im almost inspired enough to do a Mogollon style radio powered mod myself, nice work.

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Duane-YOU GOT IT!

                         Woodie

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elminero67 wrote:
Im almost inspired enough to do a Mogollon style radio powered mod myself, nice work.


Come over to the RC dark side. :)

(mods, we need a Darth Vader smilie)

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I've heard a Dutch gang is planing to "visit" Mogollon disguised as a tourists group riding on a heavy truck with the intention of stealing Rudy...
Problem arised when some of them said they would prefer # 4 and, you know such kind of folks, they are having now one of their loud lead discissions...

                       Daniel

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Here are some more photos, these were/are on Daniel's website.



It appears that there is a "traffic jam" on Chihuahua Hill, the Texacan Tour bus is waiting until some switching is done.



#1 is shown leaving the yards with the caboose in tow. The old water tower has seen better days.



Garratt #4 rolls off the smelter turntable to fill the front tank while #2 Rudy waits for the table, there's work to be done.



Here's what Rudy does every day (unless sister Rosa has the job). This photo was taken before the scale was installed, now #2 has to use an idler car since the tiny Porter would break the scale's springs if he ran upon it. Just another day on the Mogollon Railway.

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Fun stuff, Woodie! I see that Garratt #4 has its lid back on. I bet the crew are happy about the shade!

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Fun stuff, Woodie! I see that Garratt #4 has its lid back on. I bet the crew are happy about the shade!

Probably a pre-de-lidding shot.

Herbie:old dude:

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Yep, fellow loco fanciers...the photo of #4 was taken back before the unfortunate "accident" in the canyon. The supt. is thinking about another cab but there are more irons in the fire at the moment. These photos were on Daniel's laser kit website and I figgered maybe ya'll would like to see them. At FcalvModels.net, there are some more pix and some really great photos of fine modeling. Lucas has some of his stuff shown also..it's in the gallery section. It's a shame that Daniel's company is "off line" right now, he had some truly fine kits. I have several beautiful kits from him on my workbench which will be running on the On20 Gila Tramway layout.

In the works is a change to the Gila cliff dwelling line...a new turntable and "wye" are to be built which will radically change the operation scheme. I just can't leave well enough alone.

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Mater:
          Great photos
                                           (You are getting me nostalgic ! :sad:)

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Correction: I mean Master (not "Mater")

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Thanks, Daniel...but I am in no way a "master"of this stuff. Blacksmith, hacker..maybe..but no master! Thank you anyway. Here is a photo of a "new arrival". I am building one of Daniel's On20 coach kits for the little Gila Tramway and thought it would be "cute" to show it in front of it's "big brother". The colors are the same (I like faded blue & white) but I just may put a corrugated tin roof on the little feller.



Actually, all three cars are from Daniel's kits. Now, I will have to find some O scale figures similar to those in the big coach....a guy with a carbine, some talkers, and a dude with a whiskey bottle in his hand. The Gila Tramway will be "uptown" with the new addition.

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Yes..., Master.

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Since you like faded blue, where is the buzzsaw?

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Jim-I will put a buzzsaw herald on the little car when you put Mogollon Railway on your GP-35. Come on...I triple dog dare ya'...

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In keeping with the "greening" of things, I thought that I would send some photos that show how the Mogollon area is getting "shadyer"....



Patrons at the Bloated Goat #2 now have a little shade for that "high stakes" poker and drinking crowd.



Trees have sprouted along the MRy's main line and provide a cooler look to the old town. Around the turn of the last century, most of the trees were cut down to become mine props and firewood. The old second floor porch at the Gila Hotel was once the only place to get out of the sun.



However, up on Chihuahua Hill, it is still dusty and hot. The Sheriff is shown checking out a couple of horses taking advantage of the only shady place (outside of the cantina) in the area. The Sheriff is proud of his nice Apaloosa horse, the burro is trying to get at the shade and maybe munch on some of the cactus.

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Looks good Woodie.

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   All thre pictures are just great, but the first one is incredible!

  Thank you.

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W C Greene wrote: Jim-I will put a buzzsaw herald on the little car when you put Mogollon Railway on your GP-35. Come on...I triple dog dare ya'...

                                  troublemaker

Which GP35?......On another subject I have to agree with Daniel that the first pic is fantastic but when you get the "Mogollon extension" installed, the second pic will look mucho better.:thumb:

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Extension? Extension?

Attention MUDGE!


Herbie  :old dude:

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Extension! Extension!

                               :glad::glad::glad:

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Awww Geez-all I am going to do is make the "main street" about 6" wider so I can display some more old cars. The work, however, will be a new turntable and tracks on the back side at the Gila Cliff dwellings. Located about 3 feet from Muj's bedroom window. No extra "real estate" will be involved but the tourists may now observe Muj watching NCIS or an old flick as they tour the dwellings. What Jim isn't telling is about a possible 6 or 8 foot section(s) that would lead the enginehouse and yards closer to the fence. Again, this wouldn't cause concern to Muj but I ain't going to begin this until further down the line...sometime...beyond the blue horizon..

        So, don't get yer shorts in a knot!

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Don't get excited, it's not another module.  It seems there might be a plan in the works to widen the street in front of the town of Mogollon...but then again, it's just a plan right now.

Edit: I just saw that you did respond to the "extension" tease.  I had forgotten about the other "extension".

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SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT! Due to new trackwork at the Gila cliff dwellings and a change in the operating plan, GT 4-4-0 #13 and the GT tourist car have been equipped with...hold on...KNUCKLE COUPLERS. Yep, KD#5 have been installed and are being tested now. Why did this happen? Well, due to the new track (which will be shown later), the loco gets turned on a new turntable and then picks up the tourist car for the trip back to Mogollon and since there are close clearances (up against a wall), pin & links would be a mind blowing excercise whereas the knuckles an be uncoupled with the twist of a bbq stick and will recouple auto-matic-ally. Golly gee whiz!

Before Mopman gets too excited about this "modernization", he will have to understand that ONLY these 2 pieces of stock will have the new couplers. Everything else stays the same. Git yer pin puller ready!

                                    Woodie

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I can see using knuckles on the smaller scales. But for LS... only L&P! :)

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OK DW-here's the "rest of the story". In the early 1940's (more or less the circa of the Mogollon Railway), the AAR decided that the Gila Tramway (not the On20 mini layout, but the tourist line in Mogollon) needed knuckle couplers since it hauled tourists and was classified as a "common carrier", even though it ran along some of the MRy's trackage and did not interchange with any other railroad. Since the MRy is a privately-owned ore hauler, it was "exempt", but the Gila Tram was not. Not wanting to get the federales interested in the area, the GT equipped their one loco with knuckles on the tender, she still has a link pocket on the pilot, and the one "passenger car" got modified also. After a few hours at the Gila Hotel and some drinking at the Bloated Goat #2, the feds left (staggered?) out of town and haven't been back since. All's well that ends well...sort of.

I trust this tale will suffice as a "reason" for a sudden switch to "modernity".

                                  Woodrow & PH

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OK then, here's the new stuff. The Gila cliff dwellings are located on the "backside" of the layout, unseen except by those who ride the Gila Tramway to visit the sights. Before the new additions, the cliff dwellings were on one side of a reverse loop and the GT train would have to run the loop and interfere with switching a mine located on the other side of the ridge. Not much fun. Now, a new pair of switches (turnouts) have been installed and a turntable which serves as a leg of a turning wye. Some cutting of rail and plenty of cussing brought it all together.



#13 brings the tour car alongside the cliff dwellings...



it is uncoupled and backs to the TT on new track.



The loco is turned toward the other new switch and then runs out and back to couple with the tour car for the trip back to Mogollon. The tunnel leads under the Caldwell Escarpment and then along some very steep cliffs along the way.



The train is now ready to depart from the cliff dwellings. With the new track and TT, work can begin again on this "forgotten" area of the layout.  Clearances are tight here as can be seen with the wall of Mudge's house on the right. Another "reason" for the knuckle couplers-it is easier to mess with and now complies with federal "standards". I wonder if the guy with the bottle in the open section has shared with the other tourists.

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Nice stuff.  Can't wait to run that little turn job.

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Woodie:

        It is very nice to see the Gila loco and rolling stock are much better maintained than the Mogollon's. It accentuates the difference between the touristic  and the industrial character.
         Very nice photos.

                               Daniel

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Using a turntable as a leg of a wye is brilliant, Woodie! And thanks for the photos.

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cool stuff Woodie:cool:

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Yesterday (Sunday) I got to watch as mopman ran the Gila Tramway to the cliff dwellings and return without problems! Must have been a great day in Mogollon and when the "main street" gets widened, a spur from the GT tracks will run almost to the Bloated Goat#2 so the tourists can unload and get loaded(!) and then ride back to their tour bus. Not that the MRy is going into the tourist business-the mines still pay the bills.

                               Woodrow

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Thanks for the fun day on the rails.  I had a blast running the Gila Tourist train.  I was ready for a "cold one" at the Bloated Goat 2 after the run.  I was also tempted to stop by the hotel but the "ladies" looked a little rough.  Maybe a couple more beers might have helped :).

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You should know that the ladies of the Gila are all supplied with paper baqs, one for you amd one for her plus one extra in case one of the bags falls off.

   Thank you,please call again.

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ROTFLMAO

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Mopman-you sure seemed to like those big ol' German ladies today. Must have been the hot Tejas sun to blame.

                        Boudreaux and PH...Muj is still in the house

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"You should know that the ladies of the Gila are all supplied with paper baqs, one for you and one for her plus one extra in case one of the bags falls off."

   Thank you,please call again.


And, it is rumored, clothes pins for the nose---------


Herbie :old dude:

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Please, Mr. Mopman~~~~~~~~~~

What in the blue eyed, bald headed heck does ROTFLMAO mean?

Thabk you for an immediate reply

Muj 

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Muj-rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off...I believe that is what it means. Que paso?  Next up will be a course in computer-ese for those NTK...(need to know).

                                        Peach Head

BTW-Herbie-the ladies always use Right Guard because they are on the right and on guard.

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"The Women of Mogollon, a Playboy Pictorial" Now available at Newstands or delivered in a (double wrapped) manilla envelope

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:bg: Muj

  Here is a site that most all of those abbreviations in it. Kind if like a dictionary. I had to find it to figure out what some of stuff was. Being the age I am all I understood was ,

"WTF" from my navy days.  Hope this helps.

http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/textmessageabbreviations.asp

                                                                                   ??? Clif K

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Now that I have to see.  Hef must be slipping.

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OMG!! I don't think I could EVER remember all those abbreviations...55555

I guess we've finally entered the real world of 1984 and this is the 21st century version of Newspeak...less is doublegood.

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Oh Boy! Today, the first train rolled into downtown Mogollon!



Gila Tramway #13 and tour car have arrived in front of the Texacan Tour Bus Co office, next door to the Bloated Goat #2. Recent (today) additions to the main street enabled this to happen. Now, GT can run into downtown to pick up and leave tourists.



This area is unfinished (as is the whole "extention") There is a switch (turnout) in front of the Caldwell Escarpment tunnel on the low line and the short siding just terminated at the large adobe building behind the Model T. With an 8" adjustment in the road width (blue foam glued to the edge of the layout), there is now room for the track down "Main Street" and more room to display my growing collection of old autos & trucks. The Mogollon fire department's nice 1920 REO truck can run to fires instead of falling off the edge of the layout. I still need to put down more dirt and road but have another operating feature for the railroad. This track can also be used as a team track and will be used to bring shipments to downtown merchants...something that the real Mogollon never had. The high line can be seen on the hillside above the buildings.

Life continues beyond the Gila Rim........

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Dang, Woodie, you're FAST!! It was just last Friday the road was still narrow.

Lookin' good, bud!

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Woodie:

    Beautiful!
     The Main Street scene is becoming a real atraction.
    Very nice pictures.

                     Daniel

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Woodie is fast.  We talked about this extension this past weekend (he got the foam Saturday) and when I went by Monday PM it was up and running.

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Jim-it don't take that long to glue some foam to the layout and stick rails down. I am still "finishing" the area with dirt, rocks, and some junk here & there. I will build a crossing sign, it will be made from old rail and brass since a wooden sign would fall down after some "weathering" in the sun. Right now, I am having a great time running down the street with a train and the "tourists" love visiting #2 for some beer before a ride to the outlands.

In praise of styrofoam, if I had to make this stuff from wood and use real hardware, I would still have 3 sections and need two guys to help move them! I use lots of dirt and glue-waterproof glue!

                                      troublemaker

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I enjoyed the initial run on the low line.  I'm sure  with this addition it is a hoot to run.  I look forward to a turn at the throttle...with beer in hand of course.

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:thumb:Bloody impressive for a Texan!

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Thanks for the "impressive" words. I love being a Texan but love New Mexican stuff as well. Mopman dropped by and took this photo of the "stuff" down at the Gila Hotel. Another website won't comment on this, but I just know that freerails lurkers will appreciate what is shown.



Some bikers have dropped by the old hotel to "visit" with the "ladies". As can be seen, things are pretty lively along the expanded main street and it looks to be another fun filled Saturday night in lively downtown Mogollon.

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Woodie do they have a Happy Hour at the Gila Hotel. Most upmarket hotels have something like 2 for 1 every Friday evening.

Don


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Don-every hour is happy at the Gila Hotel... just look at the smiles!

                                 Woodie

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Looks like the problem with FreeRails really wracked havoc with the most recent posts. Looks like anything posted Sunday was wiped completely.

I noted for certain that a post from Mopman (Jim) with the smilies was deleted.

You'll also note that the ore car article on "Chisos" was deleted. Double Drat!!

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Oh man, everytime I see a new pic of the Mogollon Rwy I get inspired.  The wizard Woodie is at it again.  And now that I've finally had a visit to NM I'm even more impressed with how well you've depicted the area.
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Dave-the layout is NM "my way" I suppose. All the old photos of Mogollon show a wild west town in a rocky, treeless terrain. New photos of the same area shows what it looks like after about 90 years of second growth timber. I like the "greener" look and with each new auto/truck I get, the era gets boosted a little more. Right now, I am working in the early 1940's but when I can find that elusive Lindberg 49 Merc kit...well, things will change again.

                                 Woodie

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W C Greene wrote: when I can find that elusive Lindberg 49 Merc kit...well, things will change again. 

Yeah...the road outta town will be renamed Thunder Road. He'll put stills up in the hills, convert a nazi to look like Robert Mitchum, and the old Merc will be makin' 'likker' runs.

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Woodie:

     The link below will bring you to a Dutch site with plenty of 1/32 hard to find  cars. If you look for Lindberg at the left column may be you'll find what you are looking for.
     I've called the guy a week ago and he told me he has plenty of items that aren't shown in his website and said he would welcome any requests asking for specific kits.
     I didn't pay attenbtion to it but I believe the site is in English.


                                   Daniel

http://laurentiusnet.nl/hoofdframe.htm

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Thanks Daniel. I noted that Lindberg has a 49 Ford Tudor which might be "bashable" into the 49 Merc since they had some "common" body parts. That old Ford might really be a better choice since it looks more like a car that would appear in Mogollon. Sullivan is right, the Merc would require bootleggers and rum brewers in the hills.

The search will continue.                        Woodie

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Yeah, that Ford Tudor is $33.00 plus shipping. I saw lots of vehicles I would want but they're a little pricey for me right now. I realize they are OOP items and probably worth the price.

Good sight to ogle though. Plenty of 'wish list' stuff.

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James-Lindberg still produces the 49 Ford (in their 2009 catalog) and like the others in that series is just 8 to 9 bucks! Holy cow..I guess I really don't need that model!

                             Woodie

I just looked at Motor MInt and they have a nice die cast 49 Ford (and many others in 1:32 and 1:43 scale) that is 10 bucks! Therefore, why try to build a dadgum kit that costs as much or more when I can get one built for that price. I had forgotten about MM, they have Model T's and old Chebbys and stuff that ain't made in kit form. Check it out.

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Woodie and James:

     The guy is constantly busy with getting more (no idea how he manage) and giving him a call so he knows what you are looking for means he will let you know as soon as one comes up.
    Very good guy. And, as is the case with most Dutch people, one may really trust him.

             Daniel

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Woodie-You need to find a 1912 Buick: In 1912 the Mogollon stage company replaced their hayburning stagecoaches with a fleet of 1912 Buicks that ran daily to Silver City. A short time later one of them caught on fire on the steep grade coming down the "Million Dolllar Highway." A few years back I was doing an archaeology clearance for the Gila National Forest and rediscovered the remains of the halfway stage station between Silver and Mogollon. Be darned if I didnt find a 1912 in the bushes behind the ruins of the blacksmith shop, afaik it is still there today. Incidently, this was the samee stage station that Geronimo attacked in 1886 and killed 3 soldiers and a few civilians, cool site. btw, the Mogollon stage line also purchased early FWD trucks for the freight, don't know if they make either of these in that funny scale you model in.

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Duane-I will keep my eyes open for that Buick...thanks for the info.

BTW-since everybody has videos of their stuff, I thought I would send a link to one of the MRy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nfmiyad-1s

I don't think that ya'll have seen this, if you have then never mind.

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BTW folks

The distinguished gentleman in the yellow shirt, sitting by the door to the motor home is none other than Mudge--aka--Muj--aka--Bill Caldwell. Bill just finished up a scratch built 0-4-0 that he started a while back. Still modeling at 87! Post a picture of it Bill--

Herbie  :old dude:

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Nice video  & very cool layout Woodie. Great music choice to boot, Bluegrass!

~ Mudge, 87  years young and still modeling?!  Way to go!!!:glad:

Cheers:java:

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I would like to thank Outlaw Stephen Grief for the video. It was done last year at the Outlaw meeting here. There is another meet in October so maybe someone will bring a video camera to that one. Somewhere on youtube is a short video of the rotary ore dump...I think it is called that-"rotary dump"...

Muj is a pistol, ain't he?

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Here's something for a hot summer day. Down at the Bloated Goat #2, the beer is cold and there is always a poker game going. Today in Dallas, it was over 100 degrees, but under the shade at the BG, everybody was "cool"...



A great day was had by all!

                             Woodrow

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Despite the heat it was a good day.  I must admit, like you, I have had more fun running my railroad instead of working on other projects but at least my train room has AC.  However,  running your layout in this heat would be unbearable if it weren't for the "refreshments" served at the Bloated Goat :thumb:

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The BG looks awfully inviting, Woodie! I have added a visit to it to my "bucket list".


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Outstanding video Woodie..........wish I could be there to see it.....wonderful modelling

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NEWS UPDATE: From under the Mineral Creek trestle on the Mogollon Railway, a decomposing body (nazi soldier) has been uncovered by the Sheriff's department. Reports of the legendary chupacabra digging at this site brought out the county boys and they were surely suprised by what they found!



The bones will be properly interred at the local "Potter's Field" near Chihuahua Hill. For those so interested, the "decomposing nazi" is a commercially available 1:35 scale kit (well, maybe 3 pieces) ment to be used on a military diorama. Every layout needs a dead dude in the creek!

                               the troublemaker had nothing to do with this "accident"

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Sounds like Mogollon is a pretty rough "hood" these days!

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Yikes!

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OK then, ya'll have seen bones in the dirt (there are dino bones that will be shown later) but now, here is something I call "love at the water tank". The smelter switcher "Rosa" has a female fireman/brakeman (fire/brakeWOMAN?) and the smelter foreman is quite taken with her.



This just shows that while there is death in the creek, there is love at the tank.

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One of the gals from the hotel who didn't bring in enough revenue?


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I came across this while searching for something I have now completely forgotten about. It instantly made me think of this thread. It's a portable greenhouse with removable sides. They come in all different sizes.



You can remove the plastic in good (hot) weather, yet still operate an outdoor pike like the mogollon in inclement weather! Rainy day? Too cold? Windy? Just stake it down and off you go!

That is if you could find one big enough!

-mike

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Hey, thanks for that idea! One of those neat greenhouses may cost as much as I have spent on the layout, but it sure would make life easier. I have thought about tents to cover the line, but the neighbors would think we are burying folks in the yard. A house right down the alley from here has a greenhouse like that one, maybe they "know somebody"that could give me a good deal. Again, thanks..

                         Woodie

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I'm not sure about cost, but seeing as it's mainly clear plastic and aluminum poles, I can't imagine it being too extravagant.

Or, being the DIYer, this fellow fashioned his own for cheap.
http://www.laspilitas.com/garden/howto/greenhouse.html
Not the prettiest but gets the job done.

The nice thing with a greenhouse instead of a tent is you still get all natural light. You could even put up lights to run at night too I suppose but then the neighbors might think you've taken up "farming" to raise additional revenue!

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Woodie, love your layout never a boring moment! Its great that  MCSI shown up for the carcass.

If you cover your layout with a green house the neighbors may think the Mogollon Rwy may have found new revenue,   A  Mexican crop!:mex:

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Bob-I don't worry about the neighbors. Since we got rid of the witch next door, everybody is like an old Norman Rockwell painting! Funny how one nasty apple can goof up the whole crop.

                      Woodie

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I have neighbors that moved in after I purchased my home in a "older neighbor hood " built in 1940 thinking it would stay nice & quiet but those wonderful folks passed on or went to  retirement home's and then the less desirable moved in.   If  I had only thought about it harder fore hand.  I wouldn't even attempt  building an outdoor railroad due to the ornery neighbor kids.

"Good fences make good neighbors" ;)

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BobH~~~~~~~~~~~

Woodie and I lived next door to an ornery bitch (since moved away) who persisted in turning us in on any provocation. She made us a real target of her venom and Dallas has to follow up on every protest by a resident. She made our lives miserable but we had no recourse because we always passed whatever code she called in. I don't know how KC is but she called nearly all the neighbors in sooner or later.

One day the Code guy from the city showed up and she came over and cursed him in no uncertain terms and later when he reported it, she called the Judge in court a bitch and several other terms.

That did it I don't know the details of what happened but she moved away shortly thereafter. I hope this helps some.

Bill Caldwell

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Now that we have no "broom pilots" living next door, I can regale ya'll with what I did to #4, the Garratt. She went to the floor of Tres Diablos Canyon and had to be rebuilt. I have posted photos of her new "look" and some seem to not like her...no valve gear, too "modern" looking..stuff like that. Well, she's like aunt Martha's wart, she grows on you. Still much to do, lights need to be hooked up, tanks need to be mounted properly, and someday I will find 2 identical motors that will "tame" her down a bit (I think the motors I used were ment for slot cars!). I offer a couple of photos of #4 doing what she does quite well-switching the mines.





One friend dislikes the slanted front tank (a Garratt trademark), another liked the open cab look, but as you may know, this is MY locomotive! But with all the comments, I feel that I have finally "captured" the Garratt look, it has that Southwestern US image. One thing I really love is that since the loco has 2 motors, on heavy grades with loaded cars, she sometimes "slips" one of the engines to get things moving, she never did that before.

In all, a neat machine.                          Woodie

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I'm with you that the new "look" grows on you.  It is now closer to a true Garrett with the sloped tank and the "outside" cylinders.  It still is one hell of a puller.

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:bg: Woody

      The wart is just plain sweet. It sure looks like something I should add to my collection. It would look great with some of the palms that were a  great addition. I also have a fat - a%$#&^%$ lumpzilla down the street who lets her dpgs and cats run free and use my yard for a crapper. I would need the green house just to  keep the layout clean.

                                                                               :) Clif K

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Cool loco Woodie.  Ain't she sweet!

"Broom Pilot" &  "Fat  &^%$# lumpzilla"  what a hoot! New terms for my warped mind ROFLMAO:bow:

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A little action from down in Tres Diablos Canyon. Here, the road runs across the bridge, sharing it with the Gila Tram/Mogollon Railway "low line" outside of Mogollon. The high and low bridges have been replaced with newer riveted steel plate jobs, the old wooden trestles were damaged by recent floods (this is what really happened!). The 1920 Reo touring car has broke down just as the MRy's shop foreman was out on the line checking the track. Luckily, the Reo isn't in the way of the Gila Tram tour train which is "on the way"



Just another day in the boondocks.

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I note with dismay that the railcar still has a steering wheel and it even looks like the nazi with the helmet on is using it. I wonder what he has hidden under the tarp, could it be bootleg grog for under the counter sales at the Gila.L:

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Don-if the photo was a bit clearer and more close up, you would see that the driver has a bowler hat. That steering wheel is connected to the brakes so the car can stop with the same motions as used on brakewheels..this was done a lot on railcar conversions. As for the tarp...well, it hides the secret stuff..you know, battery and r/c board, and part of the motor. The T runs very nice & slow..the r/c board came from a tiny 5 buck car but the battery is a 7.4 volt lithium polymer rechargable. Ah yes, the motor was given to me years ago, it's a Grandt/Faulhauber with what I believe is 80:1 ratio..that's why it runs so slow. I just love railcars.

 

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Paladin~~~~~~~~~~~~

MY 'PUTER DOESN'T LIKE ME SENDING pmS I don't know why. This may not even get to you.

Anyway...your pilot truck problem. My Mantua articulated had that same problem. Mine has a spring pressing upward to the frame...it sometimes relocates itself to one side and makes the opposite wheel come off. If that's not it, I'm sure you've already tried weighting the truck...if not, do so. My spring loaded one never worked right so I simply removed the spring...that helped but didn't entirely cure it.

But the weight did. See if the pivot screw to the truck is binding on anything. Some trucks can be mounted upside down...I'm simply guessing now. If you have two locos with a similar truck, see if you can swap them.

Of course, this is all done after you've used the NMRA track and wheel gauges. Look for infinitessmal burrs on wheel flanges AND on the track itself.

If Woodie offers advice...believe him first. I bow to his experience. What works on HO/HOn3 doesn't necessarily apply to whatever your gauge is. 

If the truck wheels roll freely, ask the Lord what you can do. No kidding!. He ALREADY knows what's wrong!

Bill Caldwell or Muj

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It got to me Bill

I shall reply in "Technical"  under K 28 woes.

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Except for one thing--if you ever drove a T you would know that they HAD NO BRAKES!


Herbacide  :old dude:

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Oh No! My thread got hijacked! What to do...well, if I was like some, I would call old (and dead) Johnnie Cochran ("if de glove don't fit, it's fulla s%^&") or maybe that be-uteefull Miz All Red from out in LA and we'd get a conjunction or some other kind of legal junction against Muj for the infraction. But, things like this happen every day in Mogollon so it ain't no big deal. Anybody can say what they want and it's cool.

Herbie-next time I build a Model T, I will make sure that the interior is not visible so kickers and punters can't see that I don't have brake pedals on the left side. I am suprised that my technical advisor-Mr B Caldwell-didn't clue me in on this. Of course, this T runs on railroad tracks so there are "laws" against not having brakes.

All this is making me tired, I think I will call the lawyers now and let them figger this out.  So for now, as they say in the south, Bone-a-serra and hasta lumbego...

                                                      Woodie

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OR...go run a train before any heavy humidity (rain) arrives and just don't let the stress of it all get to you.

If I didn't have to be sitting here in the office that's what I would do.

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Spies from the south invaded the yard of the Mogollon Railway late this afternoon. The crews must have all been down to the Goat as the only watchman in sight was dozing on a chair and did not move. We had free reign to inspect the changes going on at the end of the yard.

There are some major changes taking place on the Mogollon, changes that look to be for the better. Muy different for sure. Looks good from our perspective and we'll let Woodie tell y'all about them.

 

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James-sorry we were not around...but we were square. Give me a holler so I will be in attendance when you arrive. The addition just puts the enginehouse in the shade and another piece or so will "straighten" things out a bit more.

                                 The watchman says Yeeow

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Well, old Sully made it by yesterday (Aug 31) and looked at the new "piece", I believe it passed muster. Here are a couple of views showing the turn and how the layout looks now. Some may remember photos showing the enginehouse & yards apparently headed to the alley, now they are under some shady trees instead of the hot, baking sun for most of the day.



Here 'tis. Just a little roughly 2' square (rounded down) with whatever radius curve would fit.



This shows how the layout is now a "fishhook" shape which may or may not be modified further with another small curve that would give an "S" curve leading to the yards. To the far left, out of view beyond the junkyard, will be the "new" Indian motorcycle dealer for greater Mogollon. This little structure will be based upon an existing building in Whitewright, TX. That will be the next "big deal" beyond the Gila Rim.

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I'll say it passed muster!

Truth is, if I wasn't already pretty darned familiar with the railway I wouldn't have known that anything had been done to change it. The new piece fits like it's always been there. The track looks like it's been weathering for years.

Gotta love it!

Wish I was as productive...

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After all this...the "head cheese"-Muj has suggested that I build a small piece to make the yards, etc. go the other direction. Sooo, I have cut a little 18" long "S" curve piece of foam and will make the track snake that direction. Work continues and that Indian shop will have to wait another day or so.

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Woody,

Let me know when the line gets as far as Austin and I shall get my daughter to photograph it!

great work

JdF

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I will be sure to let you know. All I need to do is build just another 200 miles of sections...then I will actually need a real crew to maintain the empire!

Some (Muj, Mopman, etc) have thought that the new curve should have made the enginehouse/yards more parallel (what?) with the rest of the layout. That "J" or fishhook look just wasn't getting it. I spent lots of time (maybe 1 hour) making this new piece which turns the track back the "way it shoulda been" in the first place.



The 'dozer is sitting on the new piece which has to "wiggle" to avoid a large rock which couldn't be moved according to an Apache Chief. As can be seen, the line is now like all seemed to think it should be and it has given me more access for operating trains. Why didn't I make it right to begin with? What's with the "wiggle"? Who really knows but it fits right in with the frunkiness that I love.

The guardrail shown in this sharp curve is "standard procedure" and keeps those errant Shays in line..

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Like Sullivan said-your making us underachieving slackers look bad- Im motivated enough going to work on my layout now.

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Working on this stuff is like breathing...I gotta do it!

Here are some old photos of the layout when it was inside my old casa, hung along the wall. The rumpled brown "butcher" paper background can be seen. Many seem to have liked it, but I look at it as kind of an "off Broadway stage scene" kind of thing. I believe the background and lighting that I have now is a good bit healthier than back then.



The water tank on the left is now on the On20 Gila Tram mini layout. The coal wagon is at one of the mines. Shay #1 looks different. "Little Bill" the railtruck is long gone, a victim of a fall off the bridge.



Shay #1 has lettering for my old On30 layout (the On30 locos were converted to 35n2). The skyline is different and that bicycle on the running boards will be "re-added" now that I have seen this photo. Just in case the loco craps out, the engineer can get back to town.



The monorail siding hasn't changed, but the MRy now runs a fleet of double truck ore cars, these old side dumps & V tippers are used to haul limestone and rocks.



And finally, here's a "typical" MRy train back then. The steep grade ended at the canyon , the entire layout was just 3 sections...it is up to 13 now. Not quite the operation it is now for sure.

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The ultimate in recycling.

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Mopman-here's "recycling"...the old turntable in photo 2 with the Shay on it was lengthened about 5 scale feet on each end. It is now in use at the enginehouse and in another old photo, the tiny tipple is now on the On20 Gila Tramway layout. Nope, I can't throw nothin' away!

                          Woodie 

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Here's one just to show some pride for "Old Glory"... A real 48 star flag flown above the Gila Hotel. This one's for Muj.



You also get a nice view of a couple of the "ladies".

                                  Woodrow

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Thanks for the 48 star flag Mopman and Boudreaux. It looks great....as for the ladies...well.....

BC

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Now that we are in a patriotic mood, here are even more photos from the back shop.



Mogollon is almost deserted on this Sunday afternoon...except for the Gila Hotel.



#2 Rudy has a few cars to unload at the smelter.



Here's a better view of the "new" Garratt #4-down at the shop.



And #1's crew do a little switching at the Chupacabra Mine.

Now it's time to go for beans



And Manuel's Cabrito wagon is waiting down the street.

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The new Garratt is terrific, Woodie! I hope we can see some more photos.

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Brian-will do. This is still the same old Garratt, but has new frames and tanks and cab...same boiler! I have "taken heat" for no valve gear (I am still thinking about that) and the "sport model" looks, but I really like the new version. Besides, as I told a fellow long ago-"it's my $$%^&** train!".......

Who knows, if this one falls off another bridge, it may change again!

                                           Woodrow

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Woodie,

I really like this shot !!! It's looks like that old boy have a bottle of "East Texas "Hooch" in his hand and about to loose his breakfast along with it. !!! Thank goodness for that bucket he's holding on to. If he falls off that pilot he's road kill.


Great Shot !!!! :thumb:

Ronnie D.:cb:

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Ronnie-the photo you mentioned caused a magazine article to not be written because the editor didn't want any photos of guys drinkin', censors, you know.

                          Woodie

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well then it is settled. we need a new narrow gauge magazine.

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W C Greene wrote: Ronnie-the photo you mentioned caused a magazine article to not be written because the editor didn't want any photos of guys drinkin', censors, you know.

                          Woodie


Drinkin' photos leads to all kinds of problems...

 

BTW... how come we don't a beer emoticon? L:

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"I have "taken heat" for no valve gear (I am still thinking about that)"

Your work is always so atmospheric but in the UK, the only offence where the death penalty still applies is for those who model Garretts with no valve gear;)

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Wow-I am glad I don't live over there! Actually, this particular Garratt was built by the GLOVER LOCOMOTIVE WORKS in Marietta, Georgia without proper "copyright" permission. The little loco has Stephenson valve gear inside the plate frames where it can't be seen, but it is there. Glover did not want this known due to the "rights" and it has been forgotten until the MRy bought it from a Mexican mineral hauler.  Those are the facts and the "rest of the story"...

                                               Boudreaux

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Well how about that, I thought that I was the only one subjected to the nut and bolt  counters. My line is "A POOR EXCUSE BEATS NONE, SO GET YOUR BOOTS AND TAKE A HIKE".

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Woodie,

I feel your pain !!!! Same thing with my Water Tanks !!!! Come on people it's just a hobby. And most folks like to see little goofy scene like that, That what make the hobby fun for all us modelers.

Enough that junk !!!

Question for you Woodie !! Did you ever get the chance to see the late Bob Clarke's Ironhead Timber Company On3 Layout. Before his wife had it torn down. Now this is Backwoods Logging. !!!! How tall are those Trees !!!!!!!

Ronnie D.:cb:

 

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W C Greene wrote: The little loco has Stephenson valve gear inside the plate frames where it can't be seen, but it is there.
Heh, heh...

Good save there, buddy...

Yep, the ol' pit-nickers society members are alive and well.

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Ronnie-no I didn't have the pleasure of seeing Mr. Clarke's layout...just in photos. Those trees are massive! I have a friend who built an On30 logger at about 50" height and had trees that touched his celing! What a feeling to look up at the big trees and watch the little Porter  hauling log cars running through. This fellow is now into Southwestern mining, I guess he cut down all those nice trees to make mine props, etc.

Clif-I don't worry about pitnickers, John was just being John. I understand about those Garratt fanatics. The MRy crews don't seem to mind the lack of valve gear and the shop foreman is happy with the lack of attention that such stuff brings.

                              Who's next?

                                           Woodie

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Holy moley!

I think that I was the first to complain about this-and look what an uproar it has caused--including death threats from abroad!

Looking closer, I see that the cylinders are oscillators, a principle that builders of miniature steam engines love, because they can create a working engine without the hassle of making valve gear. The shop foreman told Mr Greene the story about Stephenson gear just to get him off his back--the foreman didn't want to have his men to have to climb between the frames to lubricate the Stephenson gear. This is one of the few full size locomotives using the oscillator system, and as such, deserves some reverence from we mortals.

Mr Greene, please accept my sincere apology!

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Those trees are huge, you could hang dozens of nitpickers in them...

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elminero67 wrote:
Those trees are huge, you could hang dozens of nitpickers in them...

Or cut them down for insertion into rectal cavities of nitpickers.

Did I just say that? Must be the "insane" side of me coming out.

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To be "fair", I haven't had any pitnickers attack my work unless they do it in "private" between others of the same ilk. However, I have had plenty of picking of ideas I have had, suggestions I have offered, experience that I have tried to relate to others and that is what gets me rattled. To those who would blast my poor modeling efforts, I would ask them to put up or....you know. It just seems (to me at least) that most times I have tried to impart what has worked for me, some dude will say that "it ain't right" and they always know better ways or have more experience. To them, I also say put up or...... I have a very low opinion of those who find fault with others, remember that "you who is without sin cast the first stone". So, with that in mind, bring on the nits...I got yer picker!

                             still the Outlaw troublemaker

 

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WELL SAID WOODIE !!!!!

Why do we as fellow modelers love to criticise others work. Like my Mama use to say to us kids growing up. (If don't have anything nice to say about somebody, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. !!!) Woodie keep up the good work !!!! and I can't wait too see what you come up with next !!! to make the Pickerniter Mad !!!!

Ronnie D.:cb:

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"I don't worry about pitnickers, John was just being John. "

Don't any Americans have a sense of humour? Jeez!

Two nations separated by language (and sense of humour, it would appear).

To spell it out for you humourless Americans, I am a freelance modeller. This means, for those who do not understand, that I often design my own rolling stock.

At least you understood Woody. Clearly the use of irony never got across the Pond with the Pilgrim Fathers. It would appear that some members of this board consider that you are unable to hold your own by yourself. I did like your reply, BTW.

The rudeness following my post by some members of this forum leads me to decide that I shall no longer post on this forum.

SO GET YOUR BOOTS AND TAKE A HIKE".


Yep, the ol' pit-nickers society members are alive and well. 

Or cut them down for insertion into rectal cavities of nitpickers.


Why do we as fellow modelers love to criticise others work. Like my Mama use to say to us kids growing up. (If don't have anything nice to say about somebody, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. !!!) Woodie keep up the good work !!!! and I can't wait too see what you come up with next !!! to make the Pickerniter Mad !!!!

Woody, all the best mate. I now know why I prefer to live in Europe these days.

JdF



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I am sorry to hear that John.

I  fail to see what all the fuss is about or am I missing something.

Thought of saying a bit more, but chances are no one would get a laugh.

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I know I missed something in the exchange. But then again I'm not the brightest bulb in the box so I'm often in the dark. Sorta like a mushroom planted in poop. :)

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John-get back here! This ain't nothing but jabber about toy trains. Everybody can just chill out...or as some dude said-"get in your own jack yard and back off!"...WHAT? You guys ain't seen nitpickers like I have seen when I mention using radio control to a group of DCC addicts! Wow, the fur flys!

                       Woodie

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John

Please change your mind!

Take what most of us say with a grain of salt

I know that what's funny to an Aussie, or a Brit, can be taken the wrong way here.

And vice-versa.

Most of us here mean no harm, and certainly do not mean to insult ANYONE.

Many times suggestions for improvements can easily be taken as nitpicking.

And some people live to nitpick--but I don't think we have many of them here.

Most of our posters are doers, not spectators, and we have the full range, from those who are just starting out- to folks like yourself.

If you keep the decision to not post, the losers will be we, the ones that can benifit from the examples that you have shared with us

Please reconsider!

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Herb,

I have left because I would not feel comfortable posting with retarded people who tell me what I should have stuffed up my backside.

To quote another, from my home state as well, " SO GET YOUR BOOTS AND TAKE A HIKE".

So I have.

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Herb:-

I could not have said that better.

When all is said and done, we are here to gain inspiration and ideas, or just to converse with folks of like minds.

We all have different views on what is and what isn't correct. Maybe we just need to respect other peoples views.

But please do not let us refrain from offering constructive criticism, for that is how we learn.

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Well I'm going to go ahead and weigh in, since this is the internet after all and one's opinion is worth just about as much as anyone's right?

I didn't seem like anything on the thread was directed at anyone in particular, just seemed like some good natured ribbing on both sides, unless something was said in private that rose to another level. I've worked on some pretty blue collar jobs, you should see what gets said and done "just for fun"!  I think quitting the site of it is kinda over-reacting, why not just give 'em hell back?

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Staying around just to give em' hell is fine by me. I might get a little po'ed if somebody blasted my research on a new cancer drug...but getting upset because of some toy train (that should start somethin') BS does nothing but raise blood pressure. I admit that I will get a little bit rattled when a certain name is mentioned but that's my problem. When I mentioned that picker site, maybe I was reading stuff that nobody else read. To imagine that your skills and work are not "on par" with what is seen elsewhere is to put down your efforts and that may be the ultimate nit pick. Another quote-"the only difference between you (scarecrow) and the "educated man" is this piece of paper, a diploma." I have seen stuff on this site that rivals and exceeds stuff on other sites and I am glad that we can agree to disagree...sometimes.

Now, I will go to the DCC website and talk about radio control. That should get some "response"...                                  Woodie

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2 photos from beyond the Gila Rim. Too many words and not enough trains.....

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W C Greene wrote:


Too many words and not enough trains.....


Agreed, but these two shots balance the ratios out nicely. Fantastic pair!

-Cody

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Do my eyes deceive me or is that a Chisos car I see fourth in the string? Lordy, lordy!!

Nothing like a little mine tram action to make up for being at work...

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Gee Woodie:

 Takes some getting used to, seeing the trees sprouting up on the Mogollon Ry.

Ron D.  Homewood IL 

 

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Ron-yes, I decided that since it is the "1940's" in Mogollon, trees needed to be coming back. Take a look at Mogollon in 2010, you can barely see the old town for the trees! I went bananas and planted too many in places where we needed to get in to couple & uncouple so they are up on the hillside now. And yes, that lone red car is from the Chisos Tramway, "loaned" to the MRy by Mr. Sullivan when mine traffic picked up. I trust he forgets the rental charge..he would probebly not want it back since the crews have "fixed" it to operate in the rotary dumper.

 

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I realized that there haven't been many photos of the smelter...the "end point" of the Mogollon Railway. So here are some pix, no ritzy sky backgrounds or hand painted scenes. This is just how we look at things when we operate.



Some of the trackage on the high line. Machine shop is on the right, behind that is the rotary dump.



The quanset building is new, the junk outside the smelter is pure funk



The 3 foot gauge LPyM delivers the smelted ore to the AT&SF in Lordsburg, NM. Also seen are giant leaves from monster trees which need cleaning off!



Another view of the structures. Don't look at the electric meter in the background. No KW is used by this railroad.



And here is little Rosa with her idler car at the rotary dump. All cars must be weighed before dumping, the scale is to the right of the idler car. Note that Rosa has lost her tender behind...she's got plenty of tractive effort since she doesn't have that heavy battery to haul around. 

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You put a smaller battery in Rosa?

What size?

I think that you deserve the "Funky Fellow of the Year" award.

Please note that no cash goes with it-----

Herbie  :old dude:

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Herb-Rosa has a 180MAH 2 cell li poly that is a "hop up" for the Losi Micro T cars. This little battery fits into the cab on one side and when painted black, nobody knows nothin'. The Losi board is in the cab roof, I still have some pesky wires to "hide" but the little lokie runs great and is the smelter switcher now. The old tender? It will be used again to haul water to the Lost Scotsman mine beyond the Caldwell Escarpment.

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Fantastic! I love the turntable.

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the smelter looks great, one of my favorite industries and rarely modeled. With all of the junk it is still nicer than the "real" lordsburg...

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Woodie,

Again your work still amaze me !!!! And to think all of this is OUTSIDE !!!! Are your tripods cemented into the ground.


Merry Christmas from Colorful Colorado !!!!


Ronnie D.:cb:

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Thanks guys. I would really like much more smelter but for now, this is all I have "room"for. To really model such a thing, I might need to use up half the back yard and the construction would probably bum me out...lots of work. As it is, the thing I have built is about 6 feet long. That's about 210 scale feet..I have thought about possibly making some "flats" to make it appear larger, but then I realize that we wouldn't be able to operate trains with such stuff. Maybe something just for photos....still thinking.

 

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I ran into the same problem with my smelter, I originally laid out an area 12' long (ON30) just for the smelter & roundhouse, and still couldn't fit it all of the buildings and tracks. Yours looks great though, carry on!

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W C Greene wrote:  I would really like much more smelter....still thinking.

 


Woodie, I think you were wise to know when to pull the plug.  It's so easy to get lost off in the details and what you have is GREAT.  We can't model the whole world but outside with no walls to constrain us, well,  I had that problem with my Miami layout.  Much of it was outdoors.  BTW. backdrops are nice but not many layouts have a LIGHTING system as realistic as yours!

YOU THE MAN, WOODIE----I love it!

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Hey Woodie

   Do you ever have any moonlite operations or should I not go there. The red lite district must really be hopping!

                                                                                    Clif K

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Clif-we haven't run at night but plan to. My buddy Bob Porter(trainman 48) got me 2 headlamps worn by spelunkers and miners which would make things work. I have put up lights before, but they didn't work out as I planned. All the locos except Rosa have headlights and I am installing lights in many of the structures now. There have been some nights with full moons that we could almost run but things haven't worked out...yet. I will hopefully have the camera charged up when this happens.

                   Woodie

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Night runs seem like they would be fun in the summer- Throw a speaker in the Cantina for the Baile Grande too(something with tuba for a bass line!)

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I used to have an outdoor layout which I ran more at night than daytime.  Neat because you only see what you choose it light up.  Everything else disappears in the darkness.  BTW, I also ran in snow and sometimes rain.:Crazy:

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We have discussed night operations before, the headlamps will really help with pulling pins and messing with links. Now, since the BROOM PILOT has moved from next door, we may be more inclined to run at night. If we had done this while she lived near, I can assure you that the Police would be here every time and the city inspectors would be hassling us weekly! If winter will go away, maybe 2011 will be the year to start.

                       Woodie

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W C Greene wrote-

"I am installing lights in many of the structures now."


Hmmmm. That's going to be a lot of batterys. Either that, or a small kerosene lamp in each structure.

I know that it can't be anything involving WIRES can it?


Herburp  :old dude:

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Herb Kephart wrote:
I know that it can't be anything involving WIRES can it?



Herb,

I plan on going over to Woodie's later this week and I'll be sure to check that first.

Looks like someone may be getting coal in their stocking this year...we'll see...

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OK dis-believers...there WILL be wires to power the lights. Each group of lights will be powered with 2 AA rechargable batteries in Radio Shack battery holderswired in parallel for 1.5 volts. No fancy switches...when batteries are inserted, lights on...take em' out...darkness. There looks to be maybe 5 separate areas which will have their own power and that's about all. When the yard is really dark, the little lights show up nicely and the locos have lights with reflectors so they are nice & bright also. Just because I run wireless doesn't mean that I forgot all that wiring BS.

 

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Woodie

  Maybe I should have left well enough alone, cause your empire is plenty dazzling in the daylight, besides there are vampires in Texas at night. More to the point "Chupacabre", don't know the correct spelling. Sometime I would like to cross the border and see what you've done southeast of Colorado. Maybe you could host the first ever "International Freerailers" convention. Motel 3 & 1/2 and a beer works.

                                                                                            Clif K.

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W C Greene wrote: ...there WILL be wires to power the lights. Each group of lights will be powered with 2 AA rechargable batteries in Radio Shack battery holders... 

Woodie,

We're just pic-nicking you to give to practice retaliating.

I've seen the job that Woodie can do wiring lights like this. He did it with his much admired Cedar Tap Workshop diarama. That sucker was gorgeous!

Trust me, all the buildings will look just like an electrical contractor did the wiring...even if he WAS working in 1942 or so.  

Ask him how he does his spider webs...he, he, he...:glad:

But that's another topic...

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We could have a "camper" convention in the yard! Sounds like a plan to me. James mentioned the cobwebs in the Cedar Tap shops, they were made by what's called "cob spiders", almost invisible teeny tiny little critters. I had never seen one, just the webs. One day, I finally saw one and got out my 1:48 scale rule (the shops were O scale), the little dude was "in scale" about the size of a tarantula...after that, I told nitpickers that my spiders were in scale and were ALIVE! I had several guys who thought I spent hours on "scale" spider webs...but I had help!

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Woodie-By any chance do you have the book Tales From The Bloated Goat?

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Duane-yes I do. Tales from the Bloated Goat-early days in Mogollon by H A Hoover. Good friend Herb Kephart found this for me while surfing the net for unusual literature. A great little book with tales from the early part of the 20th century in the old town.  It is one of my treasures.

                          Woodie

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Things change, work continues..We were discussing the idea that on the Mogollon Railway, there are water tanks at the engineghouse and smelter...one at each end..and in the middle, a water stop was needed. The locos climb this 10% grade and then out onto the Tres Diablos Canyon bridge without a drink! There was really no room for a tank along the high line until I came across a very cool "tank" from the Mann's Creek railroad in W Virginia. Since the photo in the book is copyrighted, I won't post it here but my model is a more or less "faithful" replica.



The real one was made from an old mill boiler and the frame was an outlandish assortment of timbers, that part didn't float my boat. I made the tank (boiler) from an old plastic spice bottle with .080 plastic ends. Rivets were punched into a cookie sheet aluminum wrapper which was glued to the bottle. I used many Grandt NBW's on the ends (I can't get a clear photo of them) and on the framework. The funky frame was made from balsa and basswood, distressed with a wire brush and Xacto blade, and stained with alcohol & India ink. The crackling paint on the tank "happened" when I sprayed some Krylon red primer over Floquil gray primer. A nice mistake to make.



Note that there is no water spout, well, there is. On the real tank, the spout was taken off and put on (laying on the platform here) and when set up to deliver water, the "release lever" was pulled down and water flowed...similar to what happens in a toilet tank. The water feed pipe is coming in at the top of the tank, again a prototype feature. The pipe coming from the bottom of the tank will feed another water spout on the low line directly below this scene. Two tanks in one. The removeable spout is just what I needed since clearances are too close (edge of the layout) to the track and besides, I didn't have to build a working spout like the other tanks have. I did have to whack a piece from the hillside to fit this in, the real thing sat wedged against a cliff and was located on the outside of a curve, like I have here.

So, there is now some West Virginia in the wilds of the Gila Rim. I had fun making this and there is still more to do...when I get around to it (round tuit).

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Excellent job, no need for the locos to run around with a nearly empty water tank to save a buck. btw, that tank feels rusty-what is your rust technique

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Duane-on this model, I first sprayed the tank with Floquil gray primer, then sprayed some Rust-Oleum (not Krylon like I reported) "earth brown" and then some "primer"-also Rust-Oleum on the top of the tank, leaving the dark brown as a kind of "2 tone" job. When I looked at it later, the paint had caused small cracks in the surface. If I was a "stickler" for proper finishing, I might have been upset...but the look I got was just what I wanted! I have more to do, the weather is getting cold and windy so that's all folks (for now).

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A right creditable tank, Mr Greene--I remembered the one in the book and went back for another look. I actually think that I like yours better. Fed from a spring up higher on the hill, I would assume. How about some water coming out the overflow, and running down the hill below the tank? Nice muddy mess below----


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Right you are Mr K. There will be some "water" squirting out of one of the staybolts on the end. The supply is "around the hill" a ways...I am going to add some H2O to the layout, the citizens are tired of hauling water and besides, a gent gave me some 1:35 row boats that I need to find a reason to use. As Duane can tell ya', there is water in them there hills today!

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Woodie,

I've been meaning to send you this photo of a little Mining Diesel Loco I built in G scale a few years ago. It was painted in Houston Oiler Luv Ya Blue detailed and rusty and just scream Mogollon Railway.

Her name was Ms.Belle and her pet pig was name Rosco !!!

Ronnie D.:cb:




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Ronnie-she's a cool little lokie, right down to the skull on the roof! Critters always get to me and this one does the job. Is she an MDC loco? Great work. I have been wavering about an IC loco on the line. The crews would love something that didn't need "steaming up", but hey, they will do what I want. I still have an idea for an IC/Heisler which Daniel Caso sent me a photo of. That's all I need is another locomotive.

BTW-the piggie would be welcome at the Bloated Goat #2, they are getting tired of cabrito!

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Woodie,

Thank you !!! And you have a keen eye for locos my friend!!! A old friend of mine gave me this MDC loco in a box in pieces and I didn't know what I was going to do with it. Then this ideal hit me, And this was the end result.

I don't know if I'd want Rosco wondering into the Bloated Goat he might end up as the "Day's Special". (Cracking up laughing) !!!


Ronnie D.:)


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I can't seem to leave anything well enough alone. Once again, for the umpteenth time, I have screwed with Garratt #4. Maybe this time will be it...maybe not.



Glover-Garratt #4 is shown taking water at the smelter before taking some empties to the mines. She has a nice new number plate on the front tender and has a brand new "plantation style" cab. The last cab proved to be a bit too wide and knocked rocks off a hillside and wouldn't clear the close quarters near the rotary dump at the smelter. The 4 wheel tender shown at the left used to be #3 Rosa's and is now a water and fuel car for the Shays.



The shop foreman and his dog "Dee-Oh-Gee" have pulled up in the Model T to take a gander at the new look. The cab was actually found behind the enginehouse disguised as "junk" but turned out to be just right for the job. Garratt purists should note that #4 was built by the Glover Locomotive Co. in Marietta, GA back in the 1920's...the only Garratt patent loco built in the US. Actually, Glover didn't acquire the patent rights so this engine might be considered to be "on the lam". Well, it's back to work now........

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Jus' beautimus, Woodie.

I can't get enough of your rairoad and look forward to every new pic or update. The fact that you model outside really does help the picture quality emensly. Why, all those tress and power lines look right in scale with the garret and water tank.

This new "action" photo is pretty nifty, too. And the additions to the garret really set it off. The new number plate gives her a kinda Victorian look to me, what with the european style bumpers and all.

Thanks... 

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Woodie,

Great work as always !!! Love the little rail car !!! did you scrtach-build it. And have you ever considering making a video of your layout. I think it would be a "Hit" considering it's outside and with the theme music from The Good,The Bad, & The Ugly playing in the background.!!!!

Ronnie D.:mex:

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Woodie, the Gloverratt looks great with its new cab and tank. The no cab to speak of version didn't do much for me, but this one is perfect!

One of the MRR's locos that we haven't seen in a while is the 4-4-0. Has the tourista business fallen off? Probably the word got around that Chuckie was hungry--

Keep up the "messing around"" we love it!!


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Herbie-no, the tourists are still there but I have been busy running ore to the smelter. To properly run the tour train almost requires another operator otherwise I get involved with switching the mines. Yes, I like the Garratt better, still no valve gear. To those who worry about such Garrat stuff, I am waiting to see photos of THEIR Garratts!

Ronnie-there is a video on youtube of some action taken last year by one of the Outlaws' teen videographers. Go to the site and type in Mogollon Railway, it should still be there. The Model T? She's a Lindberg 1:32 kit with r/c and Grandt Micro Mo drive.

                       Woodie

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Today the Mogollon may not be running ore since the snow is falling thick and heavy.

I imagine the crews are all down at the Goat having a toddy.

Take pictures for us Woodie...

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Woody,

I hope the Mogollon is covered and weathering out this mess.

Here a shot of my backyard, It's about 40 mins North of the Mogollon RR



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Well, it "snowed" a little, but not enough to warrant any photos. Besides, I was out with Muj....folks around here sure DON'T know how to drive in a little snowfall. Never fear, I can cover the layout in less than 10 minutes myself, if somebody offers to help, it takes maybe 45 minutes! HooHah!

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Hey Woodie !!!

Have you seen my pet "PIG Rosco" lately, He was last seen wondering into the "Bloated Goat" around New Years Eve and haven't been seen since. (laughing !!!) He's my good luck charm when I'm hauling timber out of the Backwoods. !!!

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Goodness, after all that's happened I thought I would send a couple of new photos along with new information. My Christmas present from Muj and Daniel Caso was a couple of Daniel's kits, a coach and a combine. I already have a Caso coach, the new coach is 2 windows longer and not built, but the combine was out this morning for a "passenger run" on the MRy's high line.



The train has stopped at the new water tank just outside of Mogollon, the passengers are out looking at Tres Diablos Canyon and defying death on the "catwalk" in the canyon.



Garratt #4 and train is held up at the Chichahua Hill crossing by some "desert rat" and his broken down old Chebby.

Before I hear from Garratt lovers, let me inform you that #4 is an exact model of the ONLY US built Garratt. She was built in 1923, CN ICU812, by the Glover Locomotive Works in Marietta, GA. #4 went to the Loco Gato Minerales Co. in Mexico before coming to Mogollon. The loco is not listed anywhere in Garratt histories, she was built without authorization and quickly shipped south of the border. Now #4 operates happily in New Mexico where all the citizens have guns and know how to use them.

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I like the coaches-the fit in with the Mogollon well. btw, your books should be there by friday.

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Hey Woodie...

I think there's maybe enough snow on the ground today that a nice pic of the covered layout under the snow is in order. I have 6" at the apartment, maybe 7-8" here at work...BRRRRR!

I'll post a couple pics later of the apt complex...

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OK James, here is a photo of the back yard.



The smelter is on the left, downtown Mogollon is under the large drift in the center, the run to the engine house is on the right. All is safely covered under the nice plastic sheeting and as can be seen, things look like normal...except for the snow. The "structural engineer" who warned me about using camera tripods needs to look at this. Of course, his warning was issued about 3 years after the fact. Ha Ha! I may go out and sweep the snow off later today, but I don't think there would be a problem if I just stayed inside & kept warm.

There is another photo in this thread showing last year's snow..this one may be a little less but the temps are lower.

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W C Greene wrote: I don't think there would be a problem if I just stayed inside & kept warm.


 

I don't blame you a bit. I had to come into work and hated ruining that deep blanket of powder on my car, not to mention the blanket I had covering me before I woke up...

Here at work there's no heat...the HVAC froze up Wednesday night. Yay!

"Please, Mr. Scrooge, could you spare a small lump of coal?"

 

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WOW!  What a fantastic thread! 

 

 

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Thanks LHC, there's a lot of verbage to wade through! On the snow covered layout, the snow's weight is one thing but that ice and sleet covering was outrageous. When I went out to sweep the snow off the layout, I discovered that there was probably a couple of HUNDRED pounds of thick ice under the nice snow! I have looked under the covers and all is well except that the Texacan Tour bus was broken again! The weight of the ice must have done that. However, that old Airfix bus has been rebuilt, fixed, redone..more times than I can remember. So, it will rise again and haul tourists around the Gila Rim. THANK GOD we are expecting temps back in the 60's and 70's this weekend and maybe, just maybe...WINTER is on the way out!

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Woodie, looks more like here.Bob

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Woodie, looks like you can´t play with trains... what do you do in those days??? L:

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Great news-as of Saturday 2/12/11...the temp will be 60 degrees, 65 on Sunday, and this coming week...up close to 80. No more rain, no more snow, no more 11 degrees! Guess what I will be doing!

                                Woodie

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I think...Clean the tracks and run lots of trains!!!! with a couple of beers :glad:

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Clean the tracks???

Woodie, say it ain't so...

You gonna clean the tracks?

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L: ... I mean... clean the tracks from snow... would be fun to have some RC snow plows for clean that!!! Or not??

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I think Woodie will head  north in search of snow.

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James-NO to "cleaning the track"...I should have written "gathering twigs and debris from the line"...as you know, the only Brite Boys around here are those fellows who visit and operate.

                             Woodrow "Briteus Boyus"

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NO MO'SNOW! I hope it's all over...and no, the railroad doesn't own a snowplow..but might make a good model to sit behind the enginehouse!

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Today (2/15/11) was a great day! Phil Randall (Nortonville Phil) and his dad visited the old Mogollon Railway and Phil brought his cool 1:32n20 "critter" to show the crew. Now, since Phil wouldn't leave his locomotive, the MRy's head cheese sees the need for an infernal combustion loco to bring the line into the middle of the twentieth century. The shop foreman is on the lookout for a suitable engine since Phil took his loco with him. Phil talked about a trade for Garratt #4 and while that would probably be a good trade, the MRy wants BOTH locos...#4 and Phil's.



Here's a shot of #3 on the debris strewn main line. We would have loved to see her run, but there was no available diesel fuel (#3 is set up for dc) to fill her up. Phil tells me that the engineer is a Civil War figure...funny how the crew of this "modern" loco is older than the WW2 "nazis on the lam" who populate the MRy's old engines.  Next time, I will take Phil to the Bloated Goat #2 and while he's there, this loco will be hauled away into the mountains.



And here's Phil himself getting a good laugh at the funky smelter. Phil and dad are always welcome, today's visit was a blast. Thanks Phil.

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Woodie,

Well I am back "home" in KY now. Thanks for the chance to visit your layout. My dad (Dave) and I had a great time visiting with you. Seeing the layout in person was a real eye opener for me. I did not fully appreciate just how neat this layout is until I saw it for real. I got many new ideas on what is possible as far as my future model building is concerned.

Thanks again for the great visit.

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Really nice shot there Phil. That engine and stucco building are amazing.

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I get thirsty just looking at that adobe and the hard-working little lokie! I like the plantation cab on #4.

Hopefully there will be much more good weather to enjoy the layout, Woodie.

BTW, have you ever though of incorporating a rendition of the legendary 'Mogollon Monster' on the layout? :)

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Verne-we have "Chupie" the chupacabra and a dead nazi under a bridge...what more do we need? Besides, the Mogollon Monster is just a legend anyway...or is it!

                                              

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Woodie: Listen. Ive been reading up on this quite a bit. There are some looney tunes out there that even think that diesels are the wave of the future! Ha! Here is a brand new trade magazine I picked down at the tienda: What a crock!






 


 



 

 

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Duane-the times they are a' changing. Imagine down in a mine, sweating and breathing the foul air...and here comes some "critter" belching carbon monoxide fumes! What were they thinking? Maybe they weren't thinking...electric or compressed air are the way to go. Now, those little compressed air/fireless cookers and electric lokies are cool. Battery power...wonder if anyone will ever put them in a model train?

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Sarcasm aside, with your ability to capture the feel of prototypes, you could make a pretty cool little diesel like those in the article out of a Bachmann Davenport...

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COFF! HACK! :shocked:

I am just getting over a nasty bout with the crud, and the thought of inhaling that junk in the mines makes my head spin.

I know infernal combustion, and even steam, were used with mixed success underground...some steamers had 'scrubbers' to minimize the smoke. I guess it all depended on how good the ventilation was, and how long the runs were underground.

Miners loved air lokies because they actually improved the quality of air when they were used. The 'fireless cookers' were also interesting, but only gained limited acceptance. Once electrical power became feasible, it was the choice for larger operations with longer hauls underground.

I've wanted to model an electric tram on my layout, but my clumsy fingers stringing all of that overhead...and then having to clean the track...sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!

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W C Greene wrote:
Verne-we have "Chupie" the chupacabra and a dead nazi under a bridge...what more do we need? Besides, the Mogollon Monster is just a legend anyway...or is it!

                                              


True, you already have two X Files episodes covered... :cb:

With your suggestion, I will take on the Mogollon Monster, which as legend has it looks like a bigfoot. No prototype photos exist, unfortunately, so no nitpickers could say that I got it wrong...

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W C Greene wrote: Besides, the Mogollon Monster is just a legend anyway...or is it!

                                              

It has been reported that a possible chupacabre was found in the North Texas area to the west of Fort Worth.

The photo they had was something resenbling a hairless dog with the snout of a coyote...or sump'n like that.

The legend persists!

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Well, when and IF I put "water" in Tres Diablos Canyon, maybe I will install a New Mexican "Nessie" to snag those unwary tourists who dare to visit the "catwalk"...another future tourist trap idea. However, I have been to the catwalk near Mogollon...a wonderful place to visit.

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All you sissies worrying about the exhaust--didn't you read the part about them having a "deodorizing tank" in the exhaust pipe?

Now a flatulent mule----there's a danger---just one little spark---


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Now now Herbert...You know we have no place in this fine hobby for name calling...(wink wink, nod nod). After all, we have become a nation of wussies, not sissies. Shame, shame on you...perhaps I can suggest a couple of weeks watching Oprah's show and a follow up with "Doctor" Phil Estine...that may cure you of such attacks on the otherwise fine wuss....er...fellows.

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Here's an excerpt from the article posted by elminero67, found below the photo titled 'Moving Cars on Sharp Curve':

"...gasoline locomotives of approved design are practically fool-proof, or at least can be operated by men of ordinary intelligence."

!!!

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Woodie,

Now this is funny !!!!!!:glad: Laughing my A-- off !!!

Ronnie D.:cb:

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I didnt catch the "can be operated by men of ordinary inteligence" part-maybe thats why I cant keep my trains runnin'.

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Me either, something that is virtually idiot-proof don't cut it...I can always find a way to screw something up.

:bang:

The article shows one thing really clearly - builders were desperate enough to win market share of mining loco purchases from other types by promoting internal combustion, the heck with the poor miners who had to breathe their exhaust.

(I apologize if that was a wuss comment, in fact I am sorry if I have upset or offended anybody in any way, whether by intention or through my utter stupidity). :doh:

:P

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Aw common Vern-

I can offend anybody.

Woodie can offend anyone but a fellow Texan.

You??--get real buddy!


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Well, since we are offending folks...I will have "my say". Thinking about a layout where I watch the train run around and around VS one that has to be operated...My little Gila Tram On20 layout is not as fulfilling as I thought it would be.  No longer do I want to sit and watch the train run..I want, NEED, to be in the "cab" and bringing loads to the smelter and then setting out the empties and any other thing that needs to be done. After all these years of watching, I am finally running and I just love it. Not to say that what I do is the "last word", everybody has their own thing. Building a point to point layout has made me become a railroader and not a viewer and if I ever am able to build another layout (why would I?), it will be the same type of operation...out and back. Now that I have said "my piece", I will wait to hear any responses. Let the chips fall where they do the most good.

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I have waffled back and forth on that one...I built a continuous run connection, only to find I am bored after five laps (and those laps are pretty short in a 10x10 spare bedroom). My greatest satisfaction comes from taking a train up my switchback to the mine, bringing the ore loads down and tying up the loco for the night after servicing. A simple ritual, but one I enjoy.

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When I designed my layout I allowed for continuous running with through staging.  It comes in handy when I'm too lazy to operate and just want to watch trains run, break in a new loco or when I have the layout open for a layout tour.  However, I do have much more fun when I operate the layout in a realistic manner using car cards and waybills.

I have noticed that when Woodie comes over to visit, the first train he fires up is the Spadra Turn so operation must be getting in his blood.

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Speaking of inappropriate-this thread is starting to sound like a play on the old Texas joke (There are only two things that come outta Texas.(insert Clint Eastwood vioce)..). There are only two kinds of railroaders in Texas...Point to pointers, and round and rounders. I feel like a line has been drawn in the hot desert sands, and as a round and rounder, Im sticking to my guns. I love letting a train run round and round when I'm working on a building or scenery. 

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Duane-I ain't putting down continous runs, that's all I built for a hundred years. It could be that now I am running "wireless" with heavy grades and funky track and equipment and this sort of forces me to operate in this manner. I still love my little layout, but when I take it outside and get a train running, I will watch it for a couple of laps and then remember that I have some loads to pick up and while the little train runs and runs, I "work" the Mogollon line. Not to say "never", as long as I can stand and walk along with the train, I will enjoy what I have. Yes, I have "thought" about some kind of "bridge" that might make the layout a large loop but I would still have to run the locos and set turnouts. Heck, I might get dizzy walking around and around and Muj would get upset about the "trail" I would be cutting in his yard.

Don't listen to me, I just like to gripe and complain. At least I ain't looking for nits to pick. Now, where's my scale ruler?

 

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Speaking of inappropriate-this thread is starting to sound like a play on the old Texas joke (There are only two things that come outta Texas.(insert Clint Eastwood vioce)..). There are only two kinds of railroaders in Texas...Point to pointers, and round and rounders. I feel like a line has been drawn in the hot desert sands, and as a round and rounder, Im sticking to my guns. I love letting a train run round and round when I'm working on a building or scenery. 

(Dirty Harry Clint Eastwood Voice) "You're probably wondering if I've got 180 or 220 pounds steam working, and to tell you the truth, with all the switching action lately I'm not sure myself. But let me tell you, this is a Porter, the most durable and reliable steam power in the world. It will walk a heavy load up that 4% grade faster than the government takes your money. So I guess the question is, do ya feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?!?

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Well, Eastwood lovers..."a man's gotta know his limitations."

Or "what we have here is a failure to communicate"...

How about "Ahl be baaack"...(CA governor voice and accent)

Finally as Moe Howard said..."hey you-get to work"..

                       

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Ynuck, ynuck, ynuck...coitainly...

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I apologize for bringing this thread down to this level. In the last week Ive watched about ten (mostly bad) westerns, stuck in Clint Eastwood mode... 

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elminero67 wrote: I apologize for bringing this thread down to this level. In the last week Ive watched about ten (mostly bad) westerns, stuck in Clint Eastwood mode... 

Bad?... :shocked:

 

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Geez-I thought the current discussion was raising the bar a bit! I am very sure that the guy who posts stuff in this thread wouldn't mind some off course shenanigans. I have run into some who would take their toys and go home in a snit, but I can quote another song lyric...."any way the wind blows doesn't matter to me"-Frank Zappa.

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It's not "bringing the thread down to this level", it's "enlightening the masses" Duane!


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OK-On a similar note-what is the best Western Movie ever made? Good train scenes are a definite bonus.

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It ain't a western, but EMPEROR OF THE NORTH is a great train show...it is pretty much "picker proof". If you want D&RGW, watch TICKET TO TOMAHAWK, I think it's where the "bumble bee" paint scheme came from. Also, the Silverton was in DARK PASSAGE with Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy. And you could always go to tv's Hooterville on PETTYCOAT JUNCTION . Next...!

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Emperor of the north-wasnt that the one with Earnest Borgnine?

 

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Yes-a very BAD Ernest Borgnine...along with Lee Marvin and one of the Carradine guys. Great flick.

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VIVA CHUPIE! :mex:

The legend of the Chupacabra lives on:
http://www.kpho.com/news/27060213/detail.html

Check out the slide show link for some creepy images. I never thought chupie was a primate...

:shocked:

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Here's something new to chase Chupie around. One of the local rubes stepped further into the last century and bought a brand new 1949 Ford. All believe this new auto will be used for some illegal "beverage" transport since Robert Mitchum was recently spotted outside of town.



The time era changes again. I never could find a 49 Merc so this is as close as it gets. Some bikers and one of the Gila girls look at the nice V-8 under the shiny hood. The owner of the Bloated Goat #2 is rumored to be involved somehow since he is installing a 500 gallon tank behind the bar.

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SWEET!!!

Shines like a new penny...

Nothing like 'new car smell'...as opposed to the Gila Girls...:bg:

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James-I did find a die cast 49 Merc but it was fixed up as a police cruiser and would need to be "un fixed"...this 49 Ford (similar body style) was a gift from an old friend. I was also given an ancient plastic model of an MG-TD..it may be a little too modern, but with a new coat of British Racing Green, it will be my "personal" ride when in Mogollon. It's my railroad anyway!

                            trouble

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"Son, you're going to drive me to drinkin'
if you don't stop driving that hot rod Lincoln!"

All part of the Bloated Goat II's business plan...

Good choice with the TD, Woodie. I would slightly prefer a TR-2... :old dude:

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When I was a younger ( Much younger ) my dream car was a MG TC.
The seating was a bit of 3 inch foam rubber on wooden planks.
Do not see them around anymore, but it still ranks high.
And a dream it was for I never had enough money.

I did have a MG key ring but in my case it stood for Might Go.

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Now "Woodie" your not thinking about running any (Illegal Hooch) across state lines with that car are you.:mex: I wonder where the crewmen on the front of your loco got his stash from.:moose:

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I think you would need the Merc' to chase the Ford along "Thunder Road".  Damn revenuers.  Leave my 'shine alone.

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Whole thing is promoted by the railroad.

Since they converted the locos to oil burning, they are looking into any liquid that will burn.

TEQUILA POWER!

 

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:mex:

That will put some life into my old steamers!

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Someone commented that maybe I need a snowplow after the winter we have had in Dallas. So here she is.





This little thing is a model (as faithful as I can muster) of Gilpin Tramway snow plow 02. I used the drawings from the new Gilpin Era book for this and it took me longer to build than I thought it should. The plow blade is tilted and off center...in the drawings. I whacked up a Bachmann On30 passenger car truck for the undercarriage and there are still bits of metal all over my clothes. The blade was made from .020 brass and was whanged into shape over my little anvil. This was an exercise in craziness, but next year, the Mogollon Railway will be ready for winter.

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:cb: We could use that in the desert after a dust storm, Woodie! With your infamous battery powered motive power, you really mean to do that, don't you?

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Looks great! You certainly can knock them out fast.

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Yeap, those guys really works very fast!!!!:thumb: Nice plow woodie, did you thought in add some weight load?

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Lucas-you're right. The real 02 was loaded down with old rail, barrels of spikes, lots of iron junk. Something I will do later. I really never "finish" anything, leaving stuff to do later on. Also, the model needs weathering, but I suspect that the real plow was kept in pretty good ahape until later years. I have no idea if the tiny plow would actually do its' job on the layout, I keep the line covered during snow, rain, etc. and there's no way I will dump a load of fake snow on the layout to test it. The plow is a piece of scenery and may get used on a Christmas card diorama some day. I just had to build it!

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Somehow you snuck this one by me Woodrow--and that's not nice!

But the model is!

You should paint "donations" on the plow blade--in no time visitors would have the plow car full of coins---and add plenty of weight.

Herbie  :old dude:

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Sorry you missed out on the plow. 'Taint no biggie. Herb-that plow (in real life) had to be used along with a big crew of shovel jockeys. Next thing is suharo(sp) cactus, after watching "3:10 to Yuma" the old one with Glenn Ford & Van Heflin, I feel the need to "populate" some areas with the plant. Crazy, crazy crazy...

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Hey Woodie: Check out the name on the coach car in this old John Ford/John Wayne western: (at 3:09 if your impatient, I believe it is the Carson and Colorado)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJL9PFLQQo

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Hi Woodie,

Congratulations of the cover article with Narrow Gauge Down Under's April edition!

I had an exhibition the weekend just gone, and was at Gavin's house (editor/owner of NGDU) for pizza's and an operating session on his North Coast On3 layout, and got the early delivery of the mag.

The article's a good read, and the photos have come up bold and lively.

"Hope you made it to the Bloated Goat #2 in time for the lunch siting!" ;)

Cheers,

Dan Pickard

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"Hope you made it to the Bloated Goat #2 in time for the lunch siting!"

Not a problem, from what I have hear and have read. Patrons lean aginst something, or someone until they succome, and slide silently to the floor. Class place. Rated .005 stars

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Thanks Dan, I am waiting to see the issue. Gavin is a great fellow as all you Aussies seem to be. Someday maybe I can get down there for a visit.

Duane-the Rio Bravo Mogollon RR is a real hoot. I don't remember that old Duke Wayne movie but will now look for it. The equipment (I believe) is standard gauge, the loco looks quite similar to the old "Hooterville Cannonball" 4-6-0 before it was gaudied up for TV cameras. Might be worth a look at the closing credits to see where it was filmed.

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Herb-I didnt get a chance to look it the whole movie either, but the first shot is a standard gauge, Then POOF! the whole train magically changes to a narrow gauge with a shorty combine. The second train (painted the same) is clearly the Carson & Colorado in Owens Valley. Almost as comical is the scene where John Wayne and his amigos lay on their bellies behind a sanddune so the deputies on the Carson & Colorado train can't see them-but their horses right behing them sre still standing straight up. Gotta love the Duke, he is baddass!

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Duane-in looking further at the movie clip, you are right...the later scenes are from the SPNG, #9 4-6-0 is pulling a flat and caboose/combine #401..very historic stuff. Maybe the train connected with this NG line somewhere while Duke was riding in the dunes but whatever, it has some great shots of neat equipment.

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-but their horses right behind them are still standing straight up

Early model stealth horses---


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Early model stealth horses---



 

The Duke was more of badass than I thought!

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Here are three more photos I did which in "OZ speech" are a "dog's breakfast".



This is the Lost Money mine,  as can be seen is a really funky little operation. However, it does send maybe 3 loads a day to the smelter. Most of the mines are similar.



Off the main to the right is the line to the Phantom mine beyond Caldwell Escarpment. The escarpment was formed when one evening, Mr Caldwell grabbed the scenery in an attempt to keep on his feet and the area went to the floor of the "concrete canyon". The scene was rebuilt and this track was added.  As can be seen, there is a "gate" to thwart unwanted switching moves. The Phantom mine is near the little town of Brigadeen which only appears every 101 years.



And here, Shay #5 has the new Caso combine in tow as a water stop is made. This is a real "slow train" since the combine is usually hauled by #4 Garratt which can make speeds of 35 MPH on some sections. The Shay does well to push 5 MPH, but since there are no passengers today, it don't make a s^&t ! Below them is seen the low line water stop. This is just fed from the tank on the high line and is about as basic as it can be.

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Yet more great shots Woody, thanks for sharing!

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 Nice looking stuff. Really interesting. I bet if you were to put all the photos in a soft cover binding I bet you could sell it much like Harry Brunks builds. The short paragraph stories make it even better. Keep them coming.
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"Dog's breakfast". Is that good or bad?

Going by the photos I'd have to conclude it's mighty tasty.

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I love it.

It looks totally realistic, superb photos.:thumb:

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Very nice, Woodie. I like the hardscrabble appearance of everything. Two questions:

Does Brigadeen get a local when it appears every 101 years?

Where can I find that combine kit, is that one of Mr. Caso's creations?

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Woodie, I LOVE the track!

Not that the rest isn't top notch----

The first shot is a winner---the ore cars, the bin--fantastic!!


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Brigadeen has an effect on the posts here also.

Notice that Vern, who is at least two time zones West of me, posted two hours and thirteen minutes BEFORE me.

The cornfusion is spreading--all will be resolved soon--stay indoors - don't breathe-
meltdown is imminent---


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I am just now getting used to this new thang..all appears fine.

Thanks for the comments, I have the best lighting effects known, thank you God!

Verne-that Caso combine is/was his pilot model and I don't know if it will get made but it should be. I think Daniel will be back sometime, he will be doing 1:35 and 1:48 kits, forsaking the other scales he had in the earlier company. I still have a coach kit to build, passenger service may come to Mogollon!

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Sunday afternoon in Mogollon, NM.




Uploading pics is mucho easier than before. Danke Schon Dave & Don...

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Woodie

Great shot.

Noticed the flag flying on the Gila Hotel ( never noticed it before )

Are the ladies trying to impress the politicians that frequent the establishment .

Don

PS   Glad you like the new Gallery for handling photos.

At the same time you build a personal gallery of your pictures, good stuff.

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Those are great shots, they really capture the feel of a dusty southwestern mining town!

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Don-one evening when I had our "club" over to visit, a friend noted that the US flag I had on the Gila Hotel had 50 stars, 2 too many for the "era". To please him and myself, I found the 48 star flag so now, all is pickerproof..well..you know.

                         Woodie

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The best thing about the flag is the fact that is does sway in the wind, as all flags should.

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Heh...I doubt many of the gents visiting the Gila Hotel are looking at how many stars the flag has...their minds are on other, um, things...

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Hi Mr. Greene:
First-time on this forum, with a question: How do you mount your layout sections on the camera tripods? It looks like there might be extra sway bracing here and there. Your winter photos look mighty familiar here in MN, especially today!

Roger

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Howdy Roger, welcome to Freerails. The sections are really just sitting atop the tripods, some with screws up into the foam sections. I don't know why or how it works, but it has so far. I believe that God likes to look down on the layout and has kept it relatively safe from damages. Here in Dallas, the weather is not as wild as in some other places so the layout survives well. As large as it is now, I wouldn't have enough room indoors for the thing and besides, I have the best lighting of anyone I know. Also, it is a bit healthier for me to be outside rather than indoors working on some stuff.

BTW-my dad was Mr Greene, you can call me Woodie, Clyde, Boudreaux, just don't call me late for supper.

                                

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W C Greene wrote: I believe that God likes to look down on the layout and has kept it relatively safe from damages.                                

I believe that the few times you are away from the layout God runs the trains - likes it so much He grants it all manner of protection.

 

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I received my April 2011 issue of the Narrow Gauge Downunder magazine today. It has an 8 page spread on Woodies "Mogollion Railway". The article has 11 great color pictures of a half page or larger size. The text that goes with the article should be just enough for most readers to ask for more.

Nice going Woodie.

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In downunder time I received my copy about a week ago. It is getting a fair amount of interest.

Good photography, excellent reproduction and a well written article

Congratulations are in order

Don

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Congrats Woodie! :glad:

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I would be remiss if I didn't extend my congrats on a great article.  I had the chance to see it when Woodie got his copy in the mail.  Keep up the good work...as I know you will.

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Thanks guys, and special thanks to editor Gavin Hince. Gavin is great to work with and didn't "prune" words like some others in the publishing business. There's a world of difference between writing articles 10 years ago and now...digital cameras and computers VS 35MM slides, typewriters, and a bunch of money spent on getting film developed and finding you have maybe one good photo. I will send NGDU some more stuff, I still love the printed word.Everybody here has seen my stuff for a long time, I will try to find something "new" in the future.

                Woodie

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Way to go Woodie-

My copy came yesterday

Excellent photos-as usual!

They WILL ask for more



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Herb Kephart wrote:
My copy came yesterday


 

Gee, all you guys already have your copies. I feel left out. Hopefully, mine will come today (mailman probably reading it).

Maybe they're shipped alphabetically...

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Red-headed step-child here...

Still no NGDU  :f:

Well, maybe tomorrow...sniff...sniff, sniff

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There there James-

don't snivel- you're lucky enough to have seen the main feature in real life--even made friends with that vicious cat that guards the place from what I heard.


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The mystery has been solved! I got an email this morning from the future (about 14 hours or so). Gavin found the envelope my issue was supposed to be in so my NGDU is still down under.

At least that makes me feel a bit better. At least the postman didn't pilfer my copy.

I expect it'll be here in a few days.

A big thanks to Gavin for being proactive...a real gentleman!

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Now from the "idle mind and hands" department...mo' stuff.




Mopman "suggested" that I add 2 more yard tracks to the smelter area. This has been started and I am waiting for some more blue foam to "appear" for this new addition. There will be a switch off the track in the center and that will branch off into 2 yard tracks, one of which will run to the turntable. This will allow me to store some ore cars at the smelter and have another "run around" track for operations. The 2 cars show approx. track placement.




Now to downtown. Again, Mopman dared me to add a small siding off the downtown branch as a sort of "team track" for bulk oil and merchandise loading.  The 2 freight cars show where this track will be, the switch will be built in the left foreground. I trust old Mop will have enough rail for me to build his "ideas".




This is my idea, Main Street in Mogollon will finally get paved with concrete! Purists will note that I ain't using some plaster or spackle...but real honest to goodness concrete (redi-mix concrete patch). Nothing's too good for my town! Main St is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass and not interfere with businesses or train track. Work will continue after more concrete is bought and the switch shown above is built.

Things change, sometimes for the better despite what they say in Washington DC.

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This should add some fun during operations...a few more sidings to work. I like the concrete, I've had a tub of that premix concrete patch sitting in the garage for months now...wish I could beam it over to you Woodie, you would put it to good use!

It's amazing how well the natural sunlight sets off your modeling, everything looks very realistic.

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Woodrow-

What is the building in the second photo?- Looks like it was at one time 2 stories, and the roof was redone lower after a fire or??

Don't remember seeing it before-- but then I doze off a lot.

Concrete huh? Well aint you gettin all fancy-dancey! Mine tailings was good enough fer Grampaw--then you youngns come along and spend money like it grows on trees. Mr Mayor, you ain't never gonna collect enough taxes to pay that extravagance off.


Herbie  :old dude: 

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Herbie-that old building is a replica of the Big Bend Park office in the 1920's, before Big Bend became a national park. It is abandonded right now but I hear some hippies are wanting to open a macrame store there.

The real Mogollon has a real concrete main street so I figgered that this Mogollon needed a real concrete main street. Besides, we's uptown now.

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I have been busy with the new "additions". The previous photos show the beginnings of the team track near downtown and new tracks at the smelter. They ain't finished, but well enough along to allow operation.




As can be seen, a new switch is installed. This one is a point type, not a stub. Due to the trackwork being buried in concrete and dirt, a stub switch would be very hard to operate. Besides, the feds dropped by and told the management that they would not allow antique constructions with the new paved road. You will also note the added concrete and crossings (to be finished).




And at the smelter, the new tracks have been built. The right hand track can access the turntable-end of the line-and provides another run around for switching moves. The left hand track is a stub end. Speaking of stubs, both switches in the distance are stubs. The feds were not allowed on the property so the switches were built in the usual Mogollon Railway fashion. Crooked ties? I don't see no stinkin' crooked ties!

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My gawd! Mogollon has gotten downright urban. Next thing you know the Ladie's Auxiliary will want to close the Bloated Goat and run the ladies of the Gila Hotel out of town.

What a world...what a world!

As always, looking really exceptional. 

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G'day Woodie,
Couple of nice new updates to the operations. I enjoyed the reasonings and restrictions behind the choice of turnout too :)

Cheers,
Dan Pickard

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Thanks Dan, the new additions have made operations more interesting.

Now, things will get REALLY interesting. Maybe I should post the next 2 photos in the "What was he thinking?" or maybe "He must be crazy!" threads, but I figured they needed to be here. Things are about to change!




This is a new 4 footer which will "narrow" the layout asile by about 12". It's pretty simple, just a gentle "S" curve with a siding. The siding will be for the Gila Tram (the 1:35 tour operation) tourist cars. There's a little rockwork, and a dry wash that will be crossed. More on this as it develops.




Here's a view of the Mogollon Railway's yards and enginehouse. The section shown first will be attached at the break-where the brackets and "V" tipper buckets are. The yards and enginehouse? Well, this is the big, BIG change. I am going to make 2 new sections with a simplified track arrangement. The 3 ways will be gone, the yard tracks will be down to 2 (additions at the smelter's yards permit this), and the end of the line turntable will be in front of the enginehouse, not off to the side. The new sections (2) will be "bent" a bit to the left and together will add another 2 feet to the layout. I will be using some heavy duty blue foam, probably 3" and either 60 or 100PSI..the standard blue we all use is 25PSI. The reason for this one change is that over time, the 2 sections have some warpage due to direct sunlight. I will post more photos of these additions/changes as I go along. The fun continues..

 

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Kewl new section Woodie...and you know how much I admire your talent and trust your juggment, even though you prefer MGs to Triumphs Anyway, the thought of messin' with the Mogollon Diamond is a bit scary to my ears, but I know whatever you come up with will be awesome. Hope the brakeman sets those breaks on the tourist cars, or they might end up in the creek!

I must explore this blue foam, I can never find pink or blue in Arizona, just the messy white beadboard stuff.

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Is it true that weekend after next you have a D8 coming to push Muj's house aside?


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Herb-I will just build around Muj's house...but he don't know it yet!

Verne-go on the net and find SOUTHWEST VAULT BUILDERS in Lewisville, TX. They handle the Dow-Corning foam here and I will bet that they know of somewhere out in AZ that carries the stuff. They have gotten so used to model railroaders buying foam, they know exactly what  to sell the customers. There are several different ratings and thicknesses..the "norm" is 25PSI 2" blue foam. It comes in 4'X8' or 2'X8' sheets.

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Thanks Woodie...I need to build an upper deck over my staging area for the town of Estrella, is this stuff strong enough to stay rigid, or does it need bracing? If I recall correctly, you have your tripod supports attached directly to your foam bases without any additional bracing?

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Verne-normally the foam would be rigid enough for most construction, you could make a "support frame work" just to be "safe". No, I don't have any bracing under my sections, they sit directly on the tripods. My "someday" plan is to set the sections on a piece of 1/2" plywood bolted to the tripod head but for now, all is OK. The warping I mentioned was due to those 2 long sections being attached to the side of my old motor home and there was a long window above them. It seems that the sun bounced off the window directly down on the sections and basically "cooked" them into warps! Who would have thought? These are the only places that have had that problem, everywhere else, I try to make things look warped!

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Thanks Woodie...I will try that stuff if I decide to move forward on a second level. I am mulling over some changes to the plan...

That warping story made me think of a truly wicked concept for a model railroad...some super secret weapon testing site for a mirror that focuses the hot Arizona sun onto objects...built on a module that could be set up outside...that actually cooks small objects when activated. It could be tested on giant bugs, etc. I guess we all did the magnifying glass trick with various objects before, this would just be a glorified example of the same principle.

I saw a You Tube video somewhere of a student in the midwest (IIRC) who actually built such a mirror in his backyard that can melt through steel.

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While all the new stuff is taking shape, here's a new view of downtown Mogollon with even more trees! A good friend, Paul Domas, gave me a bunch of "bottle brush" spruce trees that average about 20 to 25 1:35 scale feet tall and I have stuck them down without any further "detailing". There are more trees than can be seen here, there must have been about 100 of the things. Thanks, Paul! These represent second growth trees since the originals were whacked down years ago to use as mine props and firewood, etc.




It does look a bit different now-just like the real Mogollon looks VS the way it did in the 1910's. I will return to the new stuff now, beware.

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I'm surprised that you were able to do anything on the layout with all the storms we've had the past couple of days.  Mogollon looks good with the new "growth" and that "new" street running through town.  Looking forward to seeing it live. 

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Here are a couple of "update" photos.




This is a better view of downtown with the new trees on the mountainside. Up close, the trees look like what they are-bottle brush pines-but when you are running a train above town, they look just fine. One more thing to do someday is put some "foliage" on them.




And the new section is in place with some dirt and weeds. More to be added and a shed for the Gila Tram's tourist car will be built for the siding. The "renovation" of the yards and enginehouse will begin soon (I hope) but since the weather is so nice, I am more into running trains than building stuff.

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Woodie-

Not that the town needed any improving, but those trees certainly make a big difference.
A little green never hurt any scene. Lookin fine pardner!

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Woodie-

Not that the town needed any improving, but those trees certainly make a big difference.
A little green never hurt any scene. Lookin fine pardner!
I can only agree with Herb , your layout is just:bow::bow::bow:, and now the town's looking even better (i didn't think that such a thing would be possible) .
I do have some questions though :
- is there any existent track plan ? I would really like to see one , even if it's only to "place" the scenes .
- what kind of rail are you using ? From where do you get the Tournout Frogs ? Of what wood are the ties ?
these where the two questions that "burned under my fingernails" as we say in Germany .

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Matt-somewhere in the narrow gauge section here is a "map" of the MRy. I don't have a track plan, I have never used a plan in the 50 plus years I have been building trains. As for track, it is all hand laid. Rail on wooden ties held down with spikes. Again, this is something I have been doing since I was about your age when there was no narrow gauge (HOn3) flex track or turnouts. There are some excellent how-to's here also, Herb is the master of handlaid track. Have fun.

                   Woodie

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Matt-I don't think that I answered your questions fully...the rail is MICRO ENGINEERING code 83 and code 70 weathered rail, spikes are Micro Engineering and Walthers spikes, ties are basswood which I cut myself, and the turnouts are made by me..frogs and all. I hope that clears things up.

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Mmmm... that downtown is looking REALLY great. Makes me think I need to quit playing on the computer and go build more stuff.

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An update-after all my bellyacheing and moaning about building new sections to replace the yards and enginehouse, I went outside and actually FIXED places that gave me fits. Actually, those places gave the Shays fits. Little track "problems" and outta gauge areas were re done properly (as proper as I can muster) so that now the persnickety Shays run everywhere nicely. Before, the rod locos had no problems in the yards and cars stayed on track, but those stinkin' geared locos hunted for every little place to jump and give me headaches. The original track arrangement is kept, 3 ways and all, and I took out just one unneeded "crossover" on the enginehouse lead so now there is a bit of "detail" showing where rails were removed. Well then, what's next? I am considering a possible 12 foot extention which will move the yards, etc. further out under the trees and new mines and scenery will be added. This is planned, but right now, I am happy being able to use the yards again and even the Shays are smiling.

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W C Greene wrote (...not the whole post:)):
...I am considering a possible 12 foot extention which will move the yards, etc. further out under the trees and new mines and scenery will be added.
*Plans getting to Texas as soon as possible (1Y[ears]2M[onths])*:glad::thumb:

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Something new along the old main line, just for those who need a part for their old cars or maybe a gallon of gas so they can go downtown. This is Tillman's Model T Parts. If it is for a Model T or even the old Chevy or Reo, Tillman might just have the part you need.




The junkyard cat, Punk Head, is defending his territory from a couple of dogs, a bloated goat, and a curious mule while old Tillman reads his newspaper. And, Herb, there is a lot more junk in this scene than what you saw earlier. More to add as the mood strikes.

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Woodie-you are the master of the mini scene!

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Woodie
 Really looking good. I especially like the addition of the climbing vines on the tripods. Are you also into gardening or just have a possible scenery idea in mind?
                                                                                                           Clif K

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Love it, Woodie! What a great scene.

Is Punk Head the evil twin of Peach Head? He certainly has his paws full defending his turf! Where can I find a decent cat in 1/48?

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Verne-

http://www.arttista.com/



Dogs also--

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Verne's rattlers are very dangerous, but you can see them. I have many diamond backs and coral snakes around Mogollon but they are under rocks, in old buildings, and a couple behind Tillman's T parts. Also, there is a big one near the outhouse with the guy shooting the finger. They are deadly when you can't see them. Now if I could figure out how to make gila monsters....

Verne-Woodland Scenics makes nice 1:48 dogs and cats, check them out.

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One of the best layouts I've ever seen. How does it survive outdoors?

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The layout is built "hell for stout" with waterproof glues, wood treated with Thompson's water seal, real concrete for roads, 2" and thicker styrofoam base and scenery. Track is all handlaid and requires maintenence like the real thing. No wiring anywhere except for building lights. The layout is covered during nasty weather and has survived some heavy winds-we live in "tornado alley". And I guess luck and faith carries us through. It is outside because I have no other place to build a layout so there it is.

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BIG CHANGES coming to the MRy which involve foam sheets, rail, ties, spackle, and more dirt! More on later newscasts.

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Should we buy tripod futures?


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Herb, you crack me up!!
Woodie, come on the suspense is killing me, what's up?
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Good things happen to those who wait....a little bit. And no new tripods will be abused in the project. Photos will begin to appear soon which will (hopefully) show new scenery and track being added to what was just the "backside"...

                           later..

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Can't wait to see what you have planned!

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There's a bad moon rising 

Or isn't that the backside that you had in mind?


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Well, alright. I wanted to keep this a secret but I see that there will be tounges a' waggin' so here is the story so far......




Here is the tunnel under the Caldwell Escarpment. The track on the left leads to downtown Mogollon and the new team track. The track into the tunnel goes to the Gila cliff dwellings (hidden tracks behind downtown).




Here is the other side of that tunnel shown above. The hidden track runs under all that foam with an access hole here & there. A new switch will be installed inside the tunnel so trains can go either to the cliff dwellings or come through another tunnel opening onto the new section(s). As can be seen, this is the backside of the layout and as such was supposed to be unseen. However, to reach the cliff dwellings, the operator had to walk along looking at this funky backside so the master instigator (Mopman) "suggested" this new modification.




The "roadbed" has been attached and will support the new spur and access to a mill which will be built close to where the "scenic" twin smokestacks are now. The mountainside will now be modeled and the access holes will be covered since there never have been any derailments anyway. There are several old Atlas rerailers installed there so I ain't too worried. The high level track coming through the cut will supply the mill from the mines and the crushed ore will be hauled out on this new spur to the smelter for refining. The new track will continue on and connect with the Gila Tram's trackage at the cliff dwellings. At that place will be a crossing and another new switch. There may be a passing siding here at the mill also.

As the saying goes..."I feel the need...the need for MORE TRACK!" 

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Looks like it will be a great addition to the operations Woodie--and I know that you will have it finished by sundown tomorrow--

And as far as keeping it a secret--pshaw--all that we would have had to do was ask Peach Head--you know how he is--he'd sell you out for a catnip mouse in a heartbeat!


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Its impressive how fast ol Woodie can put great looking scenes together, cant wait to see what this will turn into...as I struggle to get one stinking bridge finished!

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I would be willing to bet there will be trains running by the end of the day (today) if not already.

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Well Jim...trains are being tested on areas of the new track. I am only working in the morning, it gets powerful hot after noon! Here are some photos.




Garratt #4 and hack are shown coming out the new "tunnel"...scenery will be done after all the track is up & running OK.




This view shows the new track being laid and all the attendant crap that is used to lay the track. The new switches will be point type since the Gila Tram hauls "passengers" and these are actually easier to make than the stubs.  The scenery here will be "vertical" and a mine or maybe even a mill will be built somewhere around this area. You can see #4 down the track coming out of the new tunnel.




#2 Rudy is shown testing some trackage, the Gila cliff dwellings are on the left of the track. After a "joke" from Mopman about operating the inaccessable switch with a Tortise or some kind of turtle motorized device...I decided to do just that. You can see a black box in a hole dug in the blue foam near the switch. This is a servo from a r/c airplane which throws the points precisely. The servo is hooked up to a spring loaded DPDT and a battery box with 2 AA batteries for power. A device made for model railroads is 15 bucks or so, this old servo was given to me (along with several others) by an airplane buddy. It pays to be nice to guys who fly r/c...they will give you old stuff when they "upgrade". The scenery here will get a "makeover" when the new stuff is added. Trains may be running on the new track by this weekend (11 or 12), just in time for a meeting here with some old train nuts.

So far, so good..............

BTW-the hidden track is now gone..no more will it be the domain of giant yellow jackets and monster bird nests!

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Mad dogs & Englishmen go out in the midday sun...since I ain't an Englishman. I thought some might like to check out "sectional and removable" scenery. The layout is sectional (it can be taken apart if needed) and on this new addition, I wanted the scenery to be removable also. Even with styrofoam, weight is still a factor and to keep from getting crap all over the new track I have sweated over, here's what I have done. Remember that this is still in the "unfinished" stage.




In previous photos, you were treated to the backside of the ridge behind Mogollon..warts & all. The new scenery is being built from the styrofoam that I stole...er...got a great deal on at the big foam store. It was all "seconds" with chunks busted out, etc. More will be added, but her tis' so far.




This shows how the sections can be taken apart, talus and other rock stuff will "hide" the bases along with weeds, bushes, and some kind of mine or mill structure. You can see how the sections were put together from the sheets...light and sort of hollow.




Here's the crack between a couple of sections. When the spackle is applied and then dirt, etc. it will be barely noticable.




Tools? Here's what I use the most to make stuff like this. a keyhole saw and a big old kitchen knife. I also use a crosscut hand saw for long straight cuts and may also use the old moto tool with a carbide cutter to really whack in some details. As I said, more foam is to be glued on (Titebond 2 and epoxy-held with bbq skewers) and then the spackle, etc. The trackwork here is complete and trains have been running already. The Gila Tram "tourists" are amazed at the light blue mountainsides but then, most of them have been drinkin'...

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Must be nice to work outside when you are cutting foam, the mess kinda takes care of itself.

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Just a side note on the foam issue. One real easy way to work with foam is to spray the whole area with Static Cling Spray. The stuff in the orange and blue cans at Wal Mart. It leaves no residue and can be repeatedly applied if the foam begins to cling again. It works so well that you can actually vacuum the cuttings or grindings up. If you try to vac the stuff up without it, you can really light up up your life with static bolts as the stuff discharges.
    Anyway Woodie, the new area is looking good. It is true that you can sure knock out the scene quickly. I have relatives in a few places in Texas and I can feel the heat in the afternoon just thinking about it.
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Good tip Clif, never even thought of that. I cringe everytime I bring the foam out because the mess seems to spread throughout the garage. Stuff finds it way everywhere. Be nice if the west Texas winds could clean out the dust and foam from my garage.

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Great to see some new track, Woodie...that's always a special part of the fun, laying rail in new territory! I am very interested in how you tie the 'flip side' scenery in with a mill or smelter.

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The new track was the easy part and it is all running. The scenery will take some time..I go out with the intention of working on it and then I'll just "run one train"...after about 2 hours, I get too hot and decide to go inside...Someday, it will get done. Photos will get taken.

 

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A bit of scenery has been done, not all the bits of cactus, weeds, and critters...but something. The Gila Tram had a Fathers' Day excursion to the cliff dwellings today.




GT #13 sees sunlight after the new tunnel under the Caldwell Escarpment. The Lost Scotsman Mine is above, serviced by the high line.




The GT train moves on toward the cliff dwellings and will pass another mine further down the line. The 100 plus degree heat is causing the work to really crawl along but it is good to "sweat to the oldies".....

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Makes me thirsty lookin at it, but I think Id put up with the heat to go on that excursion-just bring a cooler full of cold ones and watch the desert crawl by...

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Agreed, Duane...the the inspiration would make up for the perspiration! Nice looking scenery, Woodie, you always make it look so easy.

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Thanks guys...after a knuckle polishing session, I did a bit more "work" on the new area.




Here's a new little mine with a name suggested by Lucas-La Hormiga Loca-the crazy ant..since ants seem to like the area. This could have been a mine dug by the cliff dwellers over 600 years ago, it is lower than others and I couldn't get a nice tipple involved..so here it is.




The mine has 15" mine track which switches into 2 tracks which simply have slides at the end to allow loading 2 ore cars. In operation, the mine cars will need to be left here for several days to get loaded. The area in front of the mine, behind the retaining walls, is the tailings dump. I have no idea what will happen when the miners need more space for the waste..maybe another idea will occur before then. The bottle brush trees will be fixed up sometime but will work for the time being. The 15" gauge is actually Grandt O scale 18" track and the mine car was built up to 1:35 size and uses the Grandt ore car chassis. I need to add a couple of rubes getting fresh air and lots of debris around the area. This is what the tourists see as they ride to the Gila cliff dwellings, a little further up the line. The trestle bent holds up an extention to the Out-Law mine siding on the high line. More will get done, but all is operational now so who knows???

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How about a giant ant back in the tunnel pushing another ore car--just for those who have to peek in to see "what's in there"?

You could tell them that the ore is highly radioactive, and caused the mutation---

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THEM! (1954)...

Yeah, works for me. Of course we all know that Woodie would never resort to such silliness.

Woodie's usual high (and fast) standards of scenery...

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W C Greene wrote: Now that we have no "broom pilots" living next door, I can regale ya'll with what I did to #4, the Garratt. She went to the floor of Tres Diablos Canyon and had to be rebuilt. I have posted photos of her new "look" and some seem to not like her...no valve gear, too "modern" looking..stuff like that. Well, she's like aunt Martha's wart, she grows on you. Still much to do, lights need to be hooked up, tanks need to be mounted properly, and someday I will find 2 identical motors that will "tame" her down a bit (I think the motors I used were ment for slot cars!). I offer a couple of photos of #4 doing what she does quite well-switching the mines.





One friend dislikes the slanted front tank (a Garratt trademark), another liked the open cab look, but as you may know, this is MY locomotive! But with all the comments, I feel that I have finally "captured" the Garratt look, it has that Southwestern US image. One thing I really love is that since the loco has 2 motors, on heavy grades with loaded cars, she sometimes "slips" one of the engines to get things moving, she never did that before.

In all, a neat machine.                          Woodie
love the garratt, has inspired me to someday try to make one out of two bachmann On30 2-8-0's, as soon as I have $200 lying around

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Tate-that 200 bucks may buy you a donor locomotive, but I doubt that you can pay for about 50 years of experience to build such a thing. Besides, the Bachmann 2-8-0 will not provide the mechanism you seek, the drive components are in the wrong place, right in the middle of the hinge point. Maybe you need to taks some classes in machining to really understand how to do it. Besides, I thought there were no Garratts in Canada. Keep searching, you will find the path....or not.

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